ND3 Miata Review & Pre-Piëchisode Ep - The Carmudgeon Show Jason Cammisa & Derek Tam-Scott - Ep 144

After a quick review of the updated (and even better) 2024 Mazda MX-5 Miata, the boys delve into the long-awaited Piëchisode by talking about the cars it featured.
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Included in this episode is a review and discussion of:
2024 Mazda Miata MX-5 (ND3)
1973 Porsche 911 Carrera 2.7 RS
1980 Mercedes-Benz 300SD Turbodiesel (W116)
1985 Audi Coupe Quattro (Ur-Quattro)
2002 Volkswagen Golf TDI (Mk4)
2004 Volkswagen Golf R32 (Mk4)
2004 Volkswagen Phaeton W12
2006 Bugatti Veyron 16.4
2014 Volkswagen XL1
2024 Bentley Continental GT Speed W12
and a small discussion of Ferdinand Piëch, Dieselgate, and corporate conscience (Boeing, The Ford Pinto)
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[@fabssgarage]

Lol well Procon-Ten was a system that allowed to retract the steering wheel onto the dash done with an iron cable connected to the firewall right behind the engine. So in case of collision when the engine moves towards the rear of the car it will press this piece in the firewall therefore retracting the steering wheel to avoid hitting the driver's head on the steering wheel. This is a non-airbag steering wheel mechanism. Cheers!

[@gagedykstra8602]

Correction Jason, the Artura isn’t not awd. The e motor is in the transmission not the front axle. Therefore McLaren is the only present automaker that doesn’t have an awd car

[@pirkkaruuska5766]

Also GMA, Pagani and many more hypercar manufacturers. Not very relatable, but still.

[@joelbaker2172]

Low volume supercars manufacturers can be left out for obvious reasons. For example, you could also say, most of them don't even sell a sedan or SUV.​@pirkkaruuska5766

[@BigCarKilla]

He’s still correct in his general reference, being that all the volume auto makers don’t have something in there range that doesn’t have all 4 wheels driven in some way.

[@michaelking6596]

Careful guys... You don't want to suffer from premature - Piechisode .. you've been Piech-teasing for years.

[@drewwrobel564]

it's beginning to look at lot like Piechmas!

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

premature piechilation is a serious matter!

[@Michael_Lorenson]

It's interesting that, while I haven't exactly scoured the internet looking for info, Jason is the only Miata ND3 reviewer I've come across who seemed to really feel the difference in the new steering rack, never mind understanding it from a technical standpoint. That's cool, and it is appreciated.

[@AndreThompson925]

Yeah, the Throttle House guys drove ND1,2 and 3 back to back to back and said differences were nearly imperceptible. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@puddud4]

As soon as I heard Mazda's press material I was like; oh Jason's going to love this. Then there was everybody else. Nobody noticed the suspension issues that Jason had complained about in the past. Of course they missed it this time around as well.

[@Zanpaa]

Most people don't drive cars at 10/10ths on bad roads.

[@phillipsilva2208]

Topher did as well

[@theo.cary_5142]

I don’t think i’ve ever smiled so hard looking at a youtube title. This feels like a chapter in my life coming to a close!

[@HandsomeAlex25]

The insert of the Audi engine layout is hilarious

[@_que]

Literally infront of the bumper, hilarious

[@shravanav993]

45:30 The Mclaren Artura is a rear wheel drive car. The electric motor is an axial flux motor integrated into the transmission and also acts as the reverse gear. Gotcha Jason

[@Wirenfeldt1990]

Pretty sure Pagani also counts, no?

[@shravanav993]

@@Wirenfeldt1990 Yeah, but it's a low volume manufacturer like most hypercar manufacturers.

[@shahulhusman]

It's has a flux motor? Wtf happens when they hit 88mph! Great Scott!

[@lbob2004]

W take on the Mk4. I used to tell people that the Mk4 Golf/Jetta was the greatest car ever made when I was 4, cause it was the first car I ever liked. It's nice to finally hear someone say something nice about them. I liked Cammisa and -- before, but now I love them.

[@griffins750]

“And -“ 😂😂😂

[@aygwm]

The Mk4 is good but the mk2/3 are even better

[@ash_ridzuan7]

Damn we're really getting the Piechisode before GTA 6 huh

[@jasonkinsman1683]

FINALLY! THE PIECHISODE! Well... Sorta. Great way to start work on a Monday!!

[@drewwrobel564]

"it's beginning to look at lot like Piechmas!"

[@ryanmitroo3979]

PIECHISODE!!!!!!

[@wmwnwmn]

Your diesel idle mouth noises are spot on!

[@chainringcalf]

I will keep arguing in favor of the rotary dial. I love it. It's fantastic. It's the only thing I miss from my Mazda6 going to a WRX. But it takes weeks to adjust to.

[@eliminat]

This, journalists/reviewer don't live in the car long enough. They all complain that they are taking buttons away but when someone adds one they complain they can't touch the screen. Anyway what's so urgent you need to touch the screen while driving?

[@RetardsOfPaloAlto]

@@eliminatI got used to my girlfriends Mazda(pre Airplay) pretty quickly. I still prefer normal Airplay in rental cars. Fewer inputs to get to the destination, usually without needing to look away. But my basis are cars are all physical button cars I can rearrange HVAC in between shifts without looking lol

[@mattr8904]

The rotary dial is safer, it's just that modern drivers are conditioned to drive unsafely... 👀

[@ronlevy1829]

First Subaru 4WD passenger car came in 1975, certainly missed it among the early passenger car 4WD cars

[@stevemartegani]

I was about to say, they were completely ignoring Subaru again... They owe us a 100% Subaru episode where they are not allowed to talk smack about Subaru drivers :P

[@keesie75]

I tought it was '73 even.

[@stevemartegani]

@@keesie75 Technically they built a few prototypes with the FF-1 wagon for that power plant prior to that, but ya its pretty early in the 70's.

[@mattr8904]

Subaru Justy?

[@stevemartegani]

@@mattr8904 Uh, no. The Justy was over a decade later.

[@NISSANSKYLINEGTRBNR]

Having recently jumped on The Carmudgeon Show, this is my 4th podcast and it outshines all other automotive British turned-up nose-type podcasts. The level of creative quality and rich history insights is what automotive fans appreciate.

[@AndreThompson925]

I agree with the suspension review of the ND2. But with Flyin' Miata springs and Koni adjustable dampers, that seems extremely improved. Also, an exhaust made a great improvement. The Good Win Roadster Sport was literally waiting for me when I took delivery. I can't wait to get home and go take the Miata on a drive. Where are the exciting, colors, Mazda?

[@Sideways_Singh]

Actually in the nd3 u can use it as a touchscreen in motion now, even though I love the rotary dial its way safer no contest, its way easier and better and quicker to use and no fingerprints on the screen, I still agree that touchscreen in motion should be allowed, because for some functions in android auto n carplay its way easier to use the touchscreen.

[@deanlagalle8694]

I have a vague memory that ProCon10 may have (either or in addition to pre-tensioning the seat belts) pulled the steering wheel back into the dashboard in lieu of a steering wheel airbag. And possibly the pedals… I could be wrong though.

[@Flottottobot]

You are right with the steering wheel, but the pedals where not Involved. There Was an perfect add for it on TV that showed it via just a matchbox

[@pereldh5741]

Jason, TDi was first seen on Fiat Croma 1.9 Diesel in 1988 if we’re talking about direct injection diesel turbo engines. Developed by Fiat Powertrain, patent then sold to Bosch, then implemented in VW’s. The Fiat engine was a 1.9 litre 90hp diesel, pretty much unheard of in std cars at the time. The base of the engine (but in 16V form) could be found for decades even in GM cars like Opel/Vauxhall's and Saab's, after Fiats infamous deal with GM which in turn got Fiat Group some pretty horrible heavy platforms/gearboxes (that breaks) for Fiat GrandePunto, Croma, Alfa Romeo 159, Brera, Spider etc.

[@sandwich1010]

The head unit in the ND3 can be used as a touchscreen when moving - it needs to be enable in the settings.

[@hojnikb]

So can ND1 and ND2. Just takes a hack to enable that.

[@michaelr42]

I'm fairly sure procon ten also pulled the non-airbag steering wheel forwards away from the driver.

[@TheCarmudgeonShow]

It did, and violently so!

[@nooooooooooo6uoki67]

sounds wicked

[@Suprahampton]

I'm in the UK, I remember Procon 10 Audi adverts on tv

[@bearnakedmike]

You mean… that one? kzbin.info/www/bejne/eV7SoH9pdsutrposi=2kSa_5N6ayT9WRxk Sorry, couldn’t find an english version… but I think Jason could translate fer sure Ah, those were the times… when you could make a car commercial with a box of matches and an ashtray(!) - and without a car…

[@shahulhusman]

Added The 22 miata to my garage.. I got because of the kpc addition for 22 (I wonder if some of the better drive on the nc3 is from that) and handles way better than the older nd1 and 2...I would have bought an nc2 (I know it's more fun) but want as a daily (more modern) and want to have a 2300lb car when lightweight now means under 2 tons.. My three car garage is a nd2 miata club manual (bbs/recaro/brembo) with a 16 s212 e63 amg wagon and a 21 c43 amg (ish) cab (wife)

[@sharpcheddar2753]

My favorite podcast :) thank you Derek and Jason and the team behind the scenes!!

[@g60corrado91]

The Mk4 and Mk5 R32 blue is called Deep Blue Pearl.

[@aaronbryan5095]

Glad to know those changes on the ND3 Miata actually work properly, been hearing the same impression from the Japanese that have also tested the ND3.

[@ahmadjavedaj]

When Jason pointed to his sweat shirt. There was a rack joke in there somewhere!

[@TT92348]

You can enable touch while driving on the ND3. It’s buried in the infotainment

[@RustyGR]

Hey love the show! I'm a 2019 ND2 RF owner and I love that thing to death. It has 2 modifications, eibach springs with slightly more spring rate and 10mm drop and a BBR GTI exhaust to give it a bit more sound. I don't know if it's the springs or different suspension tuning in the RF but the car leans so progressively and grips so well on michelin PS5 tires that I never experienced this suden things that Jason is describing. I got the car used WITH the mods already done, so maybe that's all it needs?

[@stuffhappens5681]

You’d love to hear a loud Bugatti Veyron in Manhattan? You clearly haven’t learned NYC just installed noise cameras in 5 burroughs. Over 85db is an $800 ticket. Second offense $2,500. Yeah, you heard right. Loud exhaust, honking, music emulating from your car is illegal. The general public seems to like the Orwellian idea. The worst part? A guy got busted in a Porsche with a stock exhaust system. He sued and lost. Loud noise is a health issue now, doncha know? Story is in the latest issue of Road & Track. Lots of cities are interested in installing these things at $35,000 a pop.

[@williamgechtman9287]

If you can afford a Veyron, you could probably afford as many $2500 tickets as they care to give you.

[@stuffhappens5681]

@@williamgechtman9287 Tell that to the owner of a bone stock 2010 Porsche Boxster who was just trying to get home. Furthermore you don’t think once this proliferates they won’t be misdemeanors? Do you live under a rock?

[@williamgechtman9287]

@@stuffhappens5681 I wasn't saying it was a good idea, I was just saying it wasn't going to bother a Veyron driver. On the other hand, there are scientific studies showing that the high noise levels in cities actually do damage health. As the driver of a WRX STI, I'm conflicted, though the physical sensations, the accelerations, decelerations, and multidirectional g-forces of driving and doing the three pedal dance have always been more important to me than the sounds.

[@willsullivan3]

Jason, your engine (and other) mimicry with your voice is hugely entertaining.

[@alexbliss5927]

Out Cold reference? This is why this podcast is pure class 🤌

[@lisarossi-santiago3490]

Jason, I caught your cold by watching the show!!

[@stevandrakulic1246]

Procon-ten the first, and probably only car thing that I knew, and Derek didn't 😄

[@user-uv3cs4ox8s]

I hope they tease the Piëchisode in this episode

[@deancostello14]

I've had so many mates with PD 1.9 TDIs, great cars, and great memories in them. Never owned a diesel myself though, but always like the character of these. Although the best mk4 I've driven was my mates who swapped a VR5 into his estate, the noise of that thing. Fantastic cars.

[@hojnikb]

mk4 with the VR5 is on my bucket list for sure! But not too many of those left in europe though.

[@user-zz7ic8dv4h]

Herr Ferdinand Piech is THE most fascinating personality, and an actual force of nature in the automotive world. Easily in the Pantheon of Enzo Ferrari, Lee Iacocca, Henry Ford, Carrol Shelby, and whomever else. Anyone know of a good book about his history? Thank you attempting the Piechepisode. Worthy topic for sure

[@dannythor2012]

The editing on this video was on point! Lol

[@SuspectedCheater]

I loved the editing between the audi coupe sedan back and forth.

[@6rimR3ap3r]

Didn't Procon Ten, amongst other stuff, connect engine and steering rack? To move the steering wheel away from you in a frontal crash.

[@bearnakedmike]

That was it‘s primary objektive: move the steering wheel out of the drivers heads trajectory in case of a head-on crash (and tension the seatbelts). Airbags were still expensive in the early eighties and some folks (especially with Audi) were anxious they might go off at the wrong moment.

[@jebidiahcarlyon3543]

I though Derek was singing the opening to "Let's go crazy" at the top of the intro.

[@K.D.R_]

The Mclaren Artura is RWD, not AWD.

[@MaxRPMs]

No it’s awd

[@TheCarmudgeonShow]

It's AWD.

[@andrewlewis4253]

Huh. Car and Driver Specs say RWD. Edit: McLaren Artura brochure from their website says RWD..

[@stevemartegani]

​@@TheCarmudgeonShowBeen searching the last hour, I can't find any evidence of anything attached to the front hubs. The electrical motor is between the trans and engine in the back. All the magazine publishers say one thing or another, and McLaren doesn't mention AWD in any of their press releases or technical disgrams.

[@Zanpaa]

@@TheCarmudgeonShow No it's not.

[@Erteywie]

Derek calling GMR "The good one" brings me so much joy. Glendora Mountain Road is my local canyon, I've been driving since highschool

[@DaneRThomas]

Glad to hear good things about the 300SD. Back in the early 1980s my father traded in an XJ6L for a 300SD in what seems to have been a quest to go from one stylish but slow car to another that was even slower. I very much enjoyed driving both of them.

[@waclosh]

The beginning of quattro was with vw Iltis military vehicle I think.

[@AdemKrlic]

The ONLY time I've seen a Veyron on public roads was the time I saw TWO Veyrons playing tag (with a Huracan trying to keep pace) down Broadway a few blocks below 14th street in lower Manhattan... One of those urban canyons formed by the unique verticality of the city's architecture... And the sound was sublime.

[@davidbrett2117]

2.7 RS has to be on 6 and 7” wheels….with Pirelli are making the Cinturato again with the correct tread pattern. At an event 18 months ago I had a conversation about this with a guy called Ken Shields who very successfully raced a 2.7 RS in period in the major Irish Tarmac Rallies. He’d been reunited with his old car and was lamenting that it had wider wheels on it which he said ruined the feel.

[@murdoch9106]

What ever Derek is having I'll have trice as much, he seem to be having a good time over there! 🤣

[@nbmaheswara]

Oh yeah, my Monday afternoon is so much better now!

[@gururack]

2001 Jetta TDI FS, 5spd. almost 400k mi, VNT-17, injectors, Kerma Tune, ventoctomy, TT front spindles A-arms and 12.3" brakes, Shine Springs and Rear Sway Bar, single mass FW with VR6 Clutch, super faded reflex silver original paint.

[@WordToMomsYo]

My U.S.-spec '93 S4 (C4 100 S4/"UrS4") had the procon-ten system.. Fortunately never had the opportunity to test out its claimed benefits.

[@JK061996]

In Italy we also say "If my grandpa had three balls he'd be a pinball machine"

[@tiredoworking9350]

Best car enthusiast team to watch, even for those of us who don't know squat, about cars. I watch and enjoy every episode.

[@dallasbrown-ew8yk]

If you get a nd2 or nd3 Mazda mx5, get the bbr gti super 220 kit. 8k rpm redline, header and 220hp with way better sound.

[@vastlylocal6584]

43:04 Why are the mouth engine noises so precise? How does one even develop this ability

[@shingoose6197]

It was the Lancia 3Ro produced in the 40s which had the first five cylinder diesel engine, named Tipo 102. 420 cubic inch and had two parallel overhead valves per cylinder. That wasn't even the strangest engine Lancia fitted to the Ro series of trucks. From '33-'39 they came with a 2 cylinder, two stroke diesel with two counter-swinging pistons in each cylinder, licensed by Junker. The upper pistons are 100mm in stroke, the lower 150mm in stroke, with a displacement of 194 cubic inches.

[@joecutro7318]

Great episode, JC and DTS! Can't believe the Piechisode is coming! And on my birthday no less!!!!! BEST PRESENT EVER! 🎁 🙏👍🏼🏁

[@Themazcorner]

Would be interesting to hear about the new traction control mode on the ND3 I believe on apple carplay/AA the touch screen is enabled when moving

[@kenm724]

I miss my '85 (best final drive ratio!) 300SD!! My dad modified it slightly. It did 0-60 in 12 seconds on the dragy.. and I swear, the faster you drove it the better it handled.

[@nikhilmink]

Piechisode???? Thought I'd never see the day

[@rsr789]

My B7 A4 Quattro, and then B7 S4 had AMAZING interiors.

[@shingoose6197]

I can't believe it's almost time for the most hotly awaited episode!

[@alanperry8676]

Re: R32 blue. DBP - Deep Blue Pearl. I had a blue one and a BMP (Black Magic Pearl) one.

[@agtshaw]

correction, mclaren artura is RWD

[@Petrospect]

28:20 I do think the RSR won out against prototypes because said prototypes were all unreliable so it won its class and overall because of reliability alone so it is a flex but not as big as you'd think! Still F#@%^&* impressive though

[@lucasrolfes3219]

Jason is absolutely wrong about the take about using carplay while in motion. If phones are illegal while you're driving, your in-car-phone should also be illegal.

[@ConnorBe]

Audi A2/Lupo 3L is peak Piech in the 90s. I would do unnamable things for an A2

loved my 1986 Audi Quattro 4000 and my 1991 Audi 90 Quattro 16v

[@ptinvite7942]

This is what, the.. thirtieth pre-Piechisode?

[@maxmustermann9669]

You were missing the two 3 Litre wonders. Lupo and Audi A2!

[@griffins750]

Doubled over laughing while driving an SC with a 915 shifter at the dealership I work at. I’d heard you guys mention it before in previous pods but a couple months ago we had a black SC come in for service and when I got in to park it I genuinely couldn’t tell whether or not I was in gear because there was so much slop 😂 Gave the techs and I a good laugh though and it was nice to get some perspective as to why people feel the way they do about the 915.

[@platypus1443]

Have you guys found a pontiac sunfire yet? I was catching up on old episodes of the show and was reminded of this. There's one in ohio with a 3400 v6 and a 5 speed for real cheap.

[@gtiguy9629]

Never change.

[@andycalifornia426]

So where can I find Jason's full review of the ND3? I don't believe he was given the car by Mazda to just mention it in passing on this show - was he?

[@dmayers005]

On his instagram he does short written reviews

[@TheCarmudgeonShow]

instagram.com/p/C6B6G4DxQQO

[@andycalifornia426]

@@TheCarmudgeonShow I'll check it out, thanks (thankfully, Insta didn't require to register to view).

[@andycalifornia426]

@@TheCarmudgeonShow Huh. who would've thought: turns out, Instagram is not just for posting self-taken photos of ass in a bikini or luxury holidays.

[@ArnoSchmidt70]

The Mark IV was a huge jump in quality for the Golf. Sadly there was no real GTI in it's lineup.

[@dforgash]

Puppy and cocaine, who knew we needed both at the same time!

[@bzdtemp]

So I suppose that if manage to sit through like say 30+ minutes there maybe is some actual content, but I am at 25m46s and have had it with what should have been in a bloopers section or something.

[@leotam3372]

What are you guys' thoughts on the FR Porsches - 924/944/968 + 928?

[@abracing199]

Highway 33 to ojai from taft is one of my regular roads. Very cool to see it recognized, i do it often in my cars and on my motorcycles. I don't know if you reed the comments DTHS but was it "roots" in Taft that you guys sat in for an hour without service?

[@gmoroder]

46:38 Pantera mentioned

[@jt-hb8lh]

The problem i have with mk4 golf interiors and in general vw products of the time is that the idiotic soft plastics get absolutely trashed over a long period of time.

[@samscriven6452]

If only VW put the XL1 Sport Concept into production!!

[@AmraphelofShinar]

Do spins on wet pavement count the same as ones on dry roads? 'Cause I got Derek beat with two spins if that be the case.

[@kalmmonke5037]

saab motors had similar thing to procar10 or whatever its called, it made the head rest or set or something move to more optimal position by car crash

[@aurorajones8481]

OMG the thumnail image LOL I thought it said "THE CARS OF THE REICH" 😳 I had to double take 🤣

[@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT]

“Eine fan belt zat will last for zousand years!!”

[@effrumtheretardo]

​@@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT"A satnav that only goes to Poland"

[@MrThrustSSC]

14:47 Learn from the master: I spun a first gen. Audi A3 90hp Diesel on a public road.

[@SchroedingerK]

Highly disagree with Jason about Mazda's rotary dial complaint. I own a MY '21 Mazda vehicle. Zero issues with usability, though I started using Mazda's native infotainment rather than Android Auto or Apple Carplay.

[@TheCarmudgeonShow]

Right. I get it. But once you experience CarPlay + Touch, you realize no in-house infotainment (bar Tesla's) can come close.

[@SchroedingerK]

@@TheCarmudgeonShow I'm a simpleton. I listen to music and your podcast. I found that seeing a map on the screen (at least for Android Auto) was more distracting than helpful and prefer to simply listen to turn by turn directions. In fact, I love that if you push the home button when already on the main menu, you get a clock in the middle of the screen and the rest is blacked out... Perfection. My only complaint is that (as a former Golf owner) I miss the compass being integrated into the gauge cluster, rather than needing the infotainment screen to be on navigation to show cardinal directions... Which isn't even terrible.

[@Mitsbuchanan]

@@TheCarmudgeonShowthere is a setting in the menu to make it touch screen

[@gambuz1no]

Missing the Cayenne😖😖

[@matthewhenderson5070]

Miata Ia Always The Answer

[@p00pie]

PIËCHISODE OR RIOT......wait a second its here

[@CorradoAlley]

Topic suggestion, comb through the Cash for clunkers list. I just did and we all know about some of the horror stories of those crushed but maybe talk about how some the "makes" are unique when they are just BMW/Mercedes/Jaguar import stories. The Wallace Enviro, Lambda Control, J.K. Motors (joke?) Import Trade S and so on. Also what are your thoughts on crushing all these cars potentially leading to the inflation of the car market today that converged on the covid times.

[@harisbrkovic3160]

LOVE THIS CAN"T WAIT

[@norri8ws]

20:14 no, you’re wrong.

[@gad63511]

I prefer Mazdas screen philosophy. 95% of what I do is switch between nav and music and they have hard buttons for that.

[@Swiss4.2]

1:02:41 Interior is cheap feeling because it's clearly a base model. Base models didn't have the wood around the center console just like in the photo and also didn't have the beautifully machined aluminium captains armrests. You guys in the U.S. also never got the extended leather package; which is a real shame because with the extended leather package the car really isn't far off a Bentley. The only thing you can differentiate between the Flying Spur and Phaeton in terms of quality are the Phaetons cheap feeling buttons and switchgear.

[@NISSANSKYLINEGTRBNR]

Episode:⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@TheBaldMiddleAgedMetalHead]

How can the 1973 2.7 RS be based on the 1974 Le Mans winning RSR (non-homologated) if it didn't win Le Mans until the following year? 😂😂😂

[@Dtamscott]

Refer to 1973 Daytona race, held 3-4 Feb 1973, won by an RSR.

[@taziofuriani9829]

7:58 There’s also another version of the Italian saying which goes like this: if my grandpa had three balls [instead of two] he would’ve been a pinball machine

[@Dtamscott]

Hahaha

[@BenjaminCorrigan]

What section of rt 33?

[@arthurs7882]

I think the quality with the phaeton Is material selection and just how everything feels. The crispness of the buttons, the knurling, etc. there's nothing wrong with the 04 a8 interior, But something about that steering wheel feels incoherent, and you can argue the pop-up screen is a little bit of a gimmick I think the ls460 analogy is really misguided, Lexi of that era had absolutely atrocious interiors

[@dazlion2]

Im glad this episode wasn't another car review, those episodes were alright because of jay and hyphens dynamics but thank you for continuing to carmudgeon. Still thinking about getting the hoodie, not sure yet though

[@midtennmoto7541]

Way too long to get Piech. 7:39