What a gorgeous shade of blue SL you've got there.

Please PLEASE don’t buy a Ford Model A. You’ll just run up the prices and never get your money out of it. Instead you can drive mine and get it out of your system.

Jason. I really like to listed to you because I would love to have 20-years of driving bad, good and great cars, but I don’t and may never, but I love cars. And I’ve always been facilitated by the cars and its industry. THANKS FOR BEEN AN TRUE CAR JOURNALIST. I care about your opinion.

18:52 The actions and worldview of Teslas head clown don't sit well with me, but Tesla as a company has some pretty bad anti-consumer business practices. That alone would've been enough to dissuade me from buying any Tesla product.

Fun fact - Hoosier slicks in 335/30-18 are roughly 30% less expensive than the Pirelli P Zeros that are out there. Tell the new owner to put it on the slicks and drive the hell out of it 😁

Ahem, but VR6 should be on that list for characterful and joyous v6 engines :) Great episode.

I seem to be one of the only people who likes the new 12cilindri and F80 design language from Ferrari.

It's an absolute joy to listen to you two! Keep up the good work and Happy new year!

I think these supercars are landing with a thud, especially on KZbin is that most people are sick of rich twats (aka KZbinrs) showing off their money. Maybe it's also the 80/20 rule, where i could get 80% of the experience for 20% of the cost. Or kids just don't care because they can get an EV thats faster, and as DTS says all the time, they dont have the experience of these cars so they dont appreciate them. How will they experience something like this when most people are struggling to pay off student loans when some rich KZbin shithead or finance nepo baby pays millions to get it.

About modern super/hyper cars. I don't think it is strictly price. I think it is also performance. Look back through history and it was their performance that set them apart. Well now that isn't the case anymore. You can get comparable or better performance in a straight line elsewhere and the only meaningful difference in handling relative to most cars is at speeds that a massive majority of the public just can't drive at because they don't have the skills/training to do so. You need to go around 80-100mph in a turn to really notice the performance difference of a supercar to a sports car. In the 90s when the Diablo was in production the "average" car acceleration wise went from around 10 seconds in the early 90s to around 7-8 seconds by the late 90s. The Diablo was doing anywhere from 4 to 5 seconds. Now? Most things are around 5 seconds with nearly everything "quick" being around 3 seconds. We have gotten to the point that we have serious performance saturation in the car industry. The calling card of super/hyper cars in the past just isn't a viable calling card anymore when a 7 seat 3 ton SUV can make said super/hyper car sweat in a drag race and most people can't tell the difference in handling between a Miata and an Aventador beyond the fact that the Lambo is stiff as all. I think this is why performance specific cars in general have been dying off the past 10ish years. The calling card for them just isn't meaningful anymore.

The new isssmi video’s are boring commercial shit. Love you guys for still talking bs

Great POD episode, the Lamborghini Diablo most iconic Lambo just because of movie Wolf of Wall Street 😂😂. Still waiting for episode on Hyundai N division 🤟😍😊

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Keep the faith guys: We are post-fact, but we are very obviously not post-story. It's going to take some work, but my money's on you when it comes to telling tales that stick.

Jason knows a lot more about cars than I do, but I think that he needs to check his date about the introduction of the flat-plane V8. TTBOMK, the first flat-plane crank V8 engine was introduced by Cadillac in 1923, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat-plane_crank

In the American vernacular I know of no way to say this without it becoming an uneasy joke, which is not at all what I intend, but isn't it Jason's Mom whom we want to have at the table with Derrick's Dad?

the EPA legally can not be involved in making laws, the EPA under the Trump administration will take a massive blow, along with all of the executive agencies. everyone needs to look at the CA ban on ICE cars and will it will do to the farming industry. how much food is grown in CA? this needs to be thought about

Mr. Tam-Scott Sr. on the show or we riot Would also love an episode discussing and compiling the evidence of a global malaise/british leyland 2 in the auto industry. Between direct injected Toyotas experiencing unprecedented recalls and dealer lots sitting with stagnant product for most of this year, what does that mean for the next ten or fifteen years of automotive law and industry?

We need thoughts on the Honda / Nissan / Mitsubishi merger gentlemen.

A Chiron looks chubby to me and it is heavy! Last elegant looking mid engined sportscar? Honda NSX NA, McLaren F1,, Porsche Carrara GT, first gen Ford GT comes to my mind...

Come on lets have Derek's dad.. 😀

Jake must be past his employment probationary period as I've not see any silly/hilarious editing in the past few pod episodes compared to earlier this year, which is disappointing as that made a nice touch. Also some interior inserts of the diablo would have been nice when they were discussing it multiple times

The Viper is one of the few cars all car people respect. Gen 2 and Gen 5 are my personal favorites.

we need hyphen senior on the show

I say there is NOT. HONDA is the best poster child for horrendous facelifts on their vehicles

Jason.... there is difference between being a car guy or gal and BEING A CAR GUY OR GAL..... KEEP telling stories for CAR guys and gals... the res can go ..... well you know

57:58 it is not a great thing for the "consumer"...sure its better on the one front of buying crap but in every other sense loosing all that manufacturing and capabilities hurts a society that these "consumers" are part of...just look at what chasing cheaper jeans and clothes has done to the Midwest and South of this country....

58:05 _it's a good thing for the consumers_ Well to be honest, if even the car industry leaves, fewer people will have a job and so fewer people will be able to afford a new car, even a cheaper chinese car. This ruins more than it does good for the customers. (also i am fairly against financing a totalitarian regime when i can avoid it) Also for VW: they absolutely have no clue about their customers. Two days ago they advertized on a newspaper here in central europe, for the "new rabbit hybrid" and proudly put "made i europe" next to the car. People want their Golf to be made in germany, not just made in europe. Sure it's better than made in china, as this means people in europe have jobs, but still, people who buy a german car want it to be made in germany. If "made in europe would be enough for VW buyers, they could buy Kia or Hyunday, both have production facilities for their Golf comeptition in europe too. And people who want something from the VW conglomerate but don'T care about the made in germany already go for Skoda or Seat anyways. VW really got a bunch of clueless people in recent years in the upper management it seems.

The Urraco, Jalpa, etc are all cross plane. If you look up photos of urraco engines or look at the parts catalogues/diagrams they all have cross plane crankshafts. Maybe there was a flat plane engine in development that the v16 took parts from? I’m hoping to own a urraco within the next few years and have done a ton of research.

As a buddy of mine leans over, reads my tire wall and goes " WTF kind of tires you got on this thing?" I get to proudly say "Vredestein"

Hey @TheCarmudgeonShow, can you ask Jason or Derek what company they use to ship cars to Europe? I want to send my car from New York to Barcelona. Thank you.

Don't need bullet proof glass because you can use the front camera to drive as you get down. That front camera view should be on all vehicles.

Derecks and Jason’s Mom!!

48:21 arguably, the perceived waining interest in supercars as entertainment is mostly due to just how many there are at the moment. Every month it seems like 8 new super cars are released. That dissects people attention, especially when what people can see about them is shallow aswell. Not only is there too much to see but too little shown about them.

Hey Jason, maybe i'm just in time for your V16T video research: About the first flatplane crank V8 discussion at the end of the video, never forget about Alfa Romeo in these kind of "first of anything car engineering related" discussions. In 1967 Alfa put a racecar derived 2.0 liter flatplane crank DOHC V8 into argubly one of the most elegant midengined roadcar "carrozeria's" ever made, the 33 Stradale. The tiny V8 made a specific output of 115ps/L or 230ps in total, and revved to 10k rpm! In a car that only weighs 700kg, that would be still an absolute hoot to drive today, let alone imagine what this would have been in 1967!

Happy new year. The problem with the valhalla is they have made too many "limited editions" lately. If you look at the model history it was 6 years between the one-77 and the vulcan meanwhile in the last 6 years they have released the trio of vanquish Zagatos, the DBS GT Zagato, the speedster, the victor, the dbr22, the valour and the valiant. And now they want us to be excited about another "special" car?

Pretty interesting that cars manufacturers are adopting flat plane crank for smoother power delivery I suppose, while motorcycles are going the opposite direction, switching to uneven firing order to add more "characters".

Areas that should be considered within the falling car market are that luxury cars, say Audi/Porsche/Lexus even VW/ Ford/GM are being cross shopped with down market EV or hybrids. You would have never bought an ICE version of the cheaper car, say Skoda or Hyundai, but the EV offers a greater gain, quietness/power than the luxury car can offer. In the same way you and the richest person in the world have the same smartphone. You can't change consumption if there is open supply and its fundamentally better for the user as we would just use a payphone on the street if purely if a än economic perspective is used. It also cripples the business model of ICE cars as they are left making weirder things to differentiate themselves. Many examples in business/culture where monopolies of resources or land were sidestepped.

Came to the KZbin version after work just to see the Diablo.

I would add the Murcielago to the list of elegant mid-engine cars.

The biggest problem for Supercars is that they're get beat by daily driven blenders(EVs). Which takes the shine off for the masses to aspire to...

You’ll notice that the intrest in big dollar Supercars peaked with the holy trinity, which was also the peak of top gear. I think the cancellation of top gear and the decline of the big dollar KZbin productions/car throttle is primarily to blame. I used to look at Supercars like characters in a fighting game, and loved watching them duke it out in TG challenges and head-to-head. But with TG gone that really just leaves Jason’s shows on Hagerty, which don’t feature new Supercars (except McLarens, for reasons he’s explained in prior episodes).

So if you put a 'bunch of snakes' header on a flat-plane V8 then surely this would make it sound like a cross-plane V8? It would be really interesting if anyone has ever done this. Clearly there are performance gains from using a bunch of snakes on a cross-plane which is why Ford/Shelby did this with the GT40, but if anyone put a bunch of snakes on a flat-plane then this would be a deliberate decision to prioritize the exhaust sound over performance. However come to think about it I did choose to install a set of uneven lenght headers on my BRZ just because it sounds so great.

That was the Chinas EV plan. Scare whole western world with global warming, and lobby for “planet saving” EV’s. While they own huge majority of rare mineral mining in the world. And soon everybody will drive Chinese electric crap(cars).

Elegant Modern Mid-engined cars would be the T.33 for me, and potentially the Emira

Flat-plane crank V8s? Ferrari Tipo 8s - not 6s - were all f-p. Only changed to cross-plane for Lancia Thema V8. Later, the 458 had a f-p engine. Lamborghini? Only reference I can find, for them using a f-p, is for the Temerario. In mid-90s, Lotus' own V8 was also f-p.

54:00 - Re. Lambo's tumult / tragic-comedy through 80s? (and 70s _and_ early 90s....) Tough times for manufacturers usually - unsurprisingly - go hand in hand with tough times for the economies of major western nations. So, off the top of my head: 70s: Earlier, mostly okay as Japan, Germany boomed, Britain flat, France Italy up and down. Later, Oil Crisis caused inflation and weak/stagnant economic conditions in Murrrca and much of Europe, especially '74-'75. Some nations had 1 or more recessions. 80s: Major downturns/recessions again in '80-'82, then growth years - some strong, some weak - then mild recession in '87. Some belated Euro political optimism briefly, and Japan continued booming, selling and spending, until... 90s: Japan's first recession in '90. Another downturn and major recessions in '91-'93. Hell, even Porsche was struggling to survive! Western war in/with Middle-East prompted some recovery for parts of Murrrcan economy, so highest consuming nation began spending (even) more again. 😐 2025 prospects for Lambo and auto market? Two things make this really hard: • After 2-3 yrs of strong economic growth for Murrrca and east Asia, the imminent Heritage Foundation administration is causing profound uncertainty and looming instability. • Foundational shift as China moves from car consumer, to EV car maker/seller. Beyond? Will Murrrca and other nations have m¡croprocessor production up, before Ch¡na clamps down, h@cks, @nnexes or inv@des T@iwan into submission. Also, will middle class of India become a (car consuming) thing?

So, is Vredestein compensating Jason and Derek in money or tires? Is this a barter thing?

Certain segments are suffer from looking the same from a profile POV. Hyper/super cars all look the same (ultimate form achieved) and EV’s all look like “ turtles ‘

Love to see a show about the history of affordable mid engine cars.