Ne vs Ni | Differences in Language of Extroverted and Introverted Intuition

[@ArianaReflects]

Ni: ideas🎉 to idea🎁 Ne: idea🎁 to ideassss🎉

[@InternetLiJo]

Perfectly said my Ne friend!!

[@ArianaReflects]

@@InternetLiJo ❤️❤️❤️

[@lisaia7877]

Yes! So well explained in only the most necessary short terms

[@adhistie1694]

lol spot on

[@ArianaReflects]

@Brett Remington Ni perceives many ideas and then narrows inward to a single refined idea. Ne starts at one starting point idea and then expands to more and more ideas.

[@adhistie1694]

Ne: fireworks Ni: lightning

[@dacksonflux]

Yes!

[@dominoot2652]

Cool, I had a similar explanation, where the points of intuition for Ne (where the firework explodes here) are like an infinitely expanding balloons that overlap like a venn diagram.

[@guernica5413]

What a beautiful imagery

[@AlreadyButtercup]

I love that

[@DenisStarikov]

Using Ni is like being an eagle hunting for a rabbit. Ni needs a broad view to spot something to focus on. Everything else immediately gets filtered out once target is found.

[@InternetLiJo]

Yes. Tunnel vision 🦅

[@savstinks6847]

@@InternetLiJo its both a blessing and a curse ☠️ im unable to spot my mistakes in math if im confident with my answers, even if someone said that its wrong i cant see it unless they help me point it out

[@BrewerArts]

Nailed it. A few years ago I got a large arm tattoo of an Owl snatching up a snake. While this is just a picture to me it felt deeply symbolic and deliberate. I have made a similar comparison many times because I find myself always trying to go higher, to get a larger macro perspective. I feel like I am holding myself open to let in more information and then I focus and fixate on one thing and pursue it as long as I can until I get to the core truth of it. I didn't know anything about intuition when I got the tattoo but now it makes sense why I was drawn to those symbols.

[@noms3434]

ohhhhh this makes so much sense! i never understood it

[@yournidom6512]

... and this is why Ni users can also fall into rabbit holes (or seemingly look like the are derailing). When the terrain is unfamiliar, we scan it for patterns. This scan, when extroverting (talking), can look like webbing.

[@redskyalice2529]

Ni, much like a movie, always leads to a "conclusion". Ne, much like a video game, leads to endless possibilities. The more Ne explores, the more Ni solves. Sometimes we can work well together, sometimes we tear each other's hair out!

[@squarebox271]

That is an excellent way of looking at ni and ne

[@beingsomeone201]

ne person can atleast gave how they came with 3 or 2 possibilities in real life because its extroverted. ni is too much obstructed and complicated....cz its introverted....ne helps real life any chaos situations it gave at least 2 possibility to stop it ni does not enjoy chaos, it gave 1 solution that sometimes not happen!

[@glennogutu5771]

Ni gives one solution that is the best suited😊

[@cosmicyoke]

No actually. "Conclusion" is actually more J>P thing rather than Ni>Ne. Ne is external possibilities, and the exploratory association with the function is actually more of a P > J thing.

[@redskyalice2529]

@@cosmicyoke I agree. But I think I may not have expressed this correctly. When I say "conclusion", perhaps a better way of saying it is, it's more "funnelled" to a summary of sorts, rather than raising a whole lot of other questions. In that sense it's more "conclusionary" than "endless possibilities". It narrows down to a singularity rather, but once all possibilities have been explored. Not sure if it makes sense, but ja, that's what I meant. Thanks for the feedback anyway!

[@UC2XHuQ0dMUI96yylCjk]

Ne: using information from root in order to expand into lots of leaves; Ni: using information from leaves in order to get into one particular root.

[@nicholasjh1]

That's how my ni feels... And for me at least the leaves are abstracted that way I can get to many different roots based on leaf information

[@InternetLiJo]

Boom 💥

[@OnLifeandLove]

I often think of Ne as breadth first search and Ni as greedy search.

[@Haannibal777]

I am an Ni. Being able to reduce concepts to the first principle is efficient. First principal thinking allows me to navigate different environments without being drowned out by the noise. I can always build out the details from the first principle. It also allows for out of the box thinking by applying those principles to a different context.

[@tomwright9904]

The analogy I was thinking of was more like a "goal search heuristic". See A star search. Learning which route is probably the right route. Ne might be more like... which routes are interesting.

[@syedmazharhasan6803]

Ni: Lets try to think of everything I can to eliminate this one unwanted scenario. Ne: Lets just think of possibilities, because why not?

[@InternetLiJo]

Ugh preventing the “unwanted scenario” is the ruler 😫

[@mustapha9918]

Not because "why not?", it's because Ne tries to be very comprehensive. Ne : What are the likely outcomes of every single possibility/choices. Ti : Let's pick the one(s) that benefit(s) me most. Fi : Which one of these do I like most/does correspond to me?

[@llDeezNutsll]

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[@ADeeSHUPA]

@@mustapha9918 uP

[@tomwright9904]

I guess untethered ne is "why not..." because there's not really a point in a conversation. I would think of it a bit more like "let's see search for something we can use to do the task". The criticism of Ni is that its kinda "blind" presumably. I think I used to date an intj and it was a bit like nothing is interesting apart from what comes out of your head.

[@nora_8080]

Ni is having an Ne inner voice but with time you realize that you're not branching out, you're going in circles

[@InternetLiJo]

Damn that truth 💣

[@dazureus]

One may comment how Ni is Ne at the same time, or how Ne is ultimately going in circles, as if it was pointless. No, it's not if used with mindfulness. It takes time to be fluent, just like any other cognitive function. The way I see it, every point of view possesses blind spots. Every complex point of view is most likely imperfect, then how one can have a solution for everything? It does not seem to be possible. Ne is more likely prepared for various situations and since life is full of unlimited scenarios, the chaos is easier to temporarily get a hold on and accept as it comes. Life and universe can be described as entropy. Ni's singular so called know-it-all concept inevitably fails at some point since it relies on incomplete data because a definitive conclusion was made. It brings structure yet it is not prepared for everything as it relies on conviction of absolutism. Ne is disorganized I admit as it works through intense energy bursts, it is to explore as much as capable, the more dots to collect and connect the better. Too long is not always a good path sure. However it brings more hues, details, differentiated perspectives. It is like an intricate painting, it is like being able to notice so many objects from a top of a mountain. It is more rich, more satisfying when one reaches truths from very many angles.

[@redskyalice2529]

@@dazureus This seems to be spoken from an Ne point of view, but Ni would beg to differ. While Ne exposes themselves to a lot more, Ni goes much deeper, deeper than Ne fathoms as I've seen. But both Ni and Ne can learn from each other here. I love hearing alternative perspectives which are added to my toolbox while crafting the big picture. Ne can learn to stop and get much deeper into a topic, rather than skirting. A lot of assumptions and false conclusions are made that way as well. Ni makes conclusions by first seeing all angles and perspectives (may even take years). Ne tends to arrive at conclusions and seek information to support it, then finds additional info along the way. Both have got it's pros and cons.

[@isaiahsmith7026]

@@redskyalice2529 it’s the beauty in how you both spoke from each function and you can see the tree in one and the plant in the other I agree with what you both said but you redsky hit the nail right on the head.

[@dazureus]

@@redskyalice2529 From my experience with INFJ's, they were very often projecting, labeling, thinking their vision is the only true one - self righteous, dehumanizing others and seeing them as symbols. That's the reason of my first comment. What you described about Ne reminds me of an immature ENFP. My Ne is the 2nd function and it definitely is not skirting, I research interests very extensively and with time try to notice patterns in similar subjects. Taoists, Buddhists or Stoics share some core principles, one of them is not being able to control environment yet own reactions can be. That is one of my interpretations when it comes to Ne. Just because Ne is expansive, it does not mean it is shallow or not precise. I have met Ni doms who first created a concept in their head and then forcibly looked for informations to back it up, I actually could not believe this logic. However I am not convinced such conversations make sense ultimately as Ne and Ni are both intertwined and to perceive human psyche through merely two functions is very limited. MBTI in general can be a limiting labeling so I decided to avoid perceiving human psyche only through this lens.

[@muckiwoltz9939]

I have Ni as my dominant function, one of my best friends has Ne as his auxiliary function. When we have a conversation we are literally doing what you just described. He is trying to expand on ideas while I bring it back to something specific. So we are kind of going through many topics because he makes those associations while I break this topics down and point out the core elements of it. It's actually very giving, because he helps me expand my thinking and I help him not getting completely lost in his vast mind.

[@bradwilliams7198]

A number of years ago I was sitting at the table with my girlfriend, and she asked me what I was thinking about, as I was quiet and kind of lost in thought. So I gave her the rundown of my Ne jumps the previous fifteen seconds. "I looked at this thing on the table, and that reminded me of this other thing, which made me think about X, and then I started wondering about..." "All that in 15 seconds?!"

[@InternetLiJo]

Haha yes all that in 15 seconds 😂

[@NoticeMeSenpaiii]

My family likes to give me a hard time about these jumps. One recent one was "speaking of stiff joints, have you heard the origin story of the spirituality movement?" And I thought that was an obvious enough connection that I didn't need to explain the little jumps in between. Turns out everyone was more interested in how I got from joint pain to séances than the story I wanted to tell.

[@sarahruns262]

@@NoticeMeSenpaiii I mean, it's obvious. Stiff joints>>cross legged sitting>>meditation>>spirituality movement, right? 😂

[@ADeeSHUPA]

@@NoticeMeSenpaiii 僕を見て下さいセンパイ

[@user-xp5jz6dh5y]

"I weaned it down to a 43-point process" This came out of my mouth, at work, this week...

[@user-xp5jz6dh5y]

And yes...my boss' eyes bugged out

[@dominoot2652]

@@user-xp5jz6dh5y this is actually pretty interesting, cause as an ENFP (ne dom) I tend to make several steps into fewer more general steps.

[@Diaming787]

Ni is amazing because you are "compressing" everything down to one whole concept that becomes easy (and only useful enough) to remember, to account for a lack of Si.

[@InternetLiJo]

Only useful enough is the damn truth haha

[@T216-n3h]

Ni types are here to simplify and explain the abstract to the world of se types.

[@marthaimmer5675]

"I've had the pleasure of speaking with quite a few extraverted intuitives..." Read: "I was in the vicinity while they were talking to themselves out loud." LOL.

[@llamasarefluffy6270]

YES FINALLY I’ve been confused about these for so long

[@InternetLiJo]

Hope you’re less confused now!

[@1995marixsa]

Ne = the journey Ni = the discovery Ne everything is connected making the possibilities endless. Ni all things are connected to one, if you know that one thing everything makes sense. Both are wonderful, when I hear an Ne speak is like they're telling me a story that has no ending, as for Ni it's like they have an ending without a story.

[@ayushzaveri8193]

Your channel deserves many more subscribers. Over years of MBTI, I've never seen a simpler, yet fuller explanation of Ni vs Ne. Brilliant LiJo, keep it up!

[@InternetLiJo]

I so appreciate that thank you ☺️

[@chemquests]

The framing I like is divergent vs convergent thinking

[@rachaelw2976]

I love how you explained Ni very much in an Ni way lol. The information was very straight, condensed, and to the point. My husband is an Ni and I'm an Ne. I see it like archery . Ne is like "wow, you can shoot this arrow all these directions and angles. You could start a competition. You could be queen of all the land- cause you got the bullseye!" And Ni is like "if you shoot the arrow straight you'll always get the bullseye, the other ways are not necessary"

[@tanushri9963]

Hey Lindsay! Intj here, I like the way how you reasonate things in a perfect and relatable manner. Keep going.

[@InternetLiJo]

Thank you 👽 friend

[@katherine6029]

Ohh yeah! As an ENFP, your definition of Ne is spot on. Two other notes on Ne users: 1.) We frequently interrupt ourselves to mention a related, but new, thought. F.e. "I'm thinking about visiting Tahiti this summer, but I'm also considering Nicaragua. Oh! That reminds me of this article I just read on the most beautiful beaches in the world..." 2.) Brainstorm-style ideas often come out of nowhere. F.e., a conversation I recently had with a friend: Me: Is that Bob Ross on your socks? Friend: Yeah, I love them but they’re hard to match with an outfit. Me: I think it looks great. Hey, that would be a good Halloween costume!

[@louiselarc9180]

I’m Ne but I actually enjoy breaking things down to their core. I am always looking to expand but if I mastered the concept of a particular system I enjoy compressing the system. But I think that comes from my Ti getting down to the truth of things and figuring out every piece to get the biggest understanding.

[@jdhed.mcpack6947]

I think that I just found an INTP

[@louiselarc9180]

@@jdhed.mcpack6947 tbh I don’t care that much, intp/entp is pretty much the same thing, I’m bound to appear as one or the other at times that’s just fluctuations.

[@jdhed.mcpack6947]

@@louiselarc9180 same here

[@exnihilonihilfit6316]

It's FAR from the same thing. ENTPs are super spontaneous people with no filter, they start speaking and think as they go... INTP couldn't be more different in that respect.

[@louiselarc9180]

@@exnihilonihilfit6316 omg stop saying bullshit

[@johnlopresti5682]

As you noted, with maturity, INxPs 'learn' to throttle their Ne ramblings and musings, although with Ne/Si relatively balanced (unlike ENxPs) we generally don't get carried away by Ne associations and potentials, particularly since they are working in the service of our introverted judging functions. Though I'm guessing the INTP love of puns is a mostly auxiliary Ne phenomenon ;]

[@NoOne-wt6om]

I use my Ne to feed my Fi for self expression so my Ne is more narrowed down than ENxPs, so I'm more deductive as I search for meaning than Ne doms while they are jumping from one thing to another just for the sake of ideas.

[@marthaimmer5675]

I've also noticed that Ne-users are one of the types that are obsessed with maps. As you said, "treasure hunters." I had an ENTP friend whose office AND home was covered in maps. The first thing she did when she got into a subject was get her hands on a related map. I don't even use maps to drive, much less have them in my home (INFJ)!

[@LionessOfBeauty]

What are Ni users obsessed w/?

[@marthaimmer5675]

@@LionessOfBeauty I think it’s harder to “see” Ni obsessions because it is an introverted function.

[@dominoot2652]

This is fascinating. INFP best friend is literally map man. Loves drawing maps. I recently accidentally nicknamed him "google maps" in a random misunderstanding, but it made so much sense we just kept it

[@marthaimmer5675]

@@dominoot2652 That's that Ne-exploration for you! MBTI is very neat.

[@adhistie1694]

The Ne Ti love big picture helicopter view ;)

[@dogdonut3]

I think this is why my adult daughter (esfj) and I (intj) have such weird and sometimes challenging conversations. I'm busy trying to sum up her expansions and she gets annoyed and darts to another thought. Best case scenario, I just listen to her or add a funny side note to her thought. Sometimes I'm not in the headspace for following her thoughts, so I just remind her that she's going to be late for work and off she runs. Lol

[@greenlimabean]

I don't think you mean that your daughter is esfj. Do you mean ENFP?

[@dogdonut3]

@@greenlimabean esfjs have ne third, so she sometimes uses it in a less productive way. She also has lots of irons in the fire helping people so can be a bit scattered. Enfps aren't the only ones who can talk a mile a minute about seemingly unconnected things. Here's yet another piece to the puzzle (or at least my part of the puzzle): Since my comment, I have been typed by 2 different professional typologists. One said I am an enfp one said I am an isfj! I still almost always self test as an intj (and have for almost 30 years). Here and there I will get enfp (like 1 out of 15 times). My enneagram is 5w4. I chalk it up to life (and personalities) being more diverse, vast and...interesting than we may think.

[@BlueMarsh27]

Every time I make an "Ni" comment my loved ones are just like "....what are you saying? How does this even relate to the topic we're discussing?" and I'm like "*sigh* I thought it was obvious but okay, let me explain" Oh Ni, gotta love you!

[@InternetLiJo]

Lol Ni is like “you can’t see how all of space is OBVIOUSLY made of liquid?!”

[@TarzanHedgepeth]

@@InternetLiJoWait… you also believe space is a fluid? Yeah.

[@InternetLiJo]

@TarzanHedgepeth yeah 🥹

[@TarzanHedgepeth]

@@InternetLiJo 👊

[@VarshaManoj]

This video and the comment section was really useful to me for understanding the concept of Ne and Ni . Thank you!!!

[@jamesmcadory1322]

I’ve always been deeply drawn to reductionism and now it makes sense as to why -INFJ

[@InternetLiJo]

Eyyyy 😉

[@marthaimmer5675]

INFJ who cannot get enough of minimalism. The idea of it, anyway.... LOL.

[@lilname7120]

LiJo: Just wanted to thank you for your courage, brilliance, leadership and love (that's right, I said it!). Keep going. You are lighting us up.(: Ok... that was my first and last post on this frequency. Scottie, tractor beams, please.

[@InternetLiJo]

Ahhhhhhhh thank you 🖤

[@lilname7120]

Ni is the wave that brings pearls to the surface. Ne is the wind that strings them together.

[@Y2Kr4SHM4N]

As an NE user, this was like hearing a rundown of my insanity. It makes me feel both highly intelligent, whilst simultaneously being a little stupid. NI users seem so mysterious, fascinating and insightful. Keen perception with high levels of self-control.

[@letsreadtextbook1687]

Ni users seems so from Ne perspective, but I don't think you can call something self control when it's just their default mode. They can get stuck _hard_ on idea that won't work.

[@andytheindividual3862]

Me as an infp ten minutes into explaining a topic with 6 different ones inside it- " so does that make sense ?" 😂

[@InternetLiJo]

Lmao *everyone with an eye glaze blinks*

[@andytheindividual3862]

@@InternetLiJo hahaha hate you :)

[@sophiaredwood5825]

@@InternetLiJo ENFP and that’s a fat moooood

[@marcvesper]

(INFP) The struggle is real. I swear I'm tempted to start carrying a huge whiteboard strapped to my back everywhere so I can use Te a little to put my full answers to, like, any questions down.

[@melisasegura4054]

This is so true! 😂

[@DanaALittleBit]

I'm an ENFP Tree 🌳.People sometimes complain that I go haywire in conversations and go wayyyyy off topic. I often tell them that my mind is like a TREE in that it branches off into connected branches...twigs and even blossoms. I remind my friends who are frustrated by my Ne that although I branch out a lot I am always connected to my tree trunk. Make sense?

[@InternetLiJo]

Yes makes sense! You can see the relationship even when others can’t.

[@DanaALittleBit]

@@InternetLiJo yessireebob ❤️

[@sophiaredwood5825]

I’ve often compared my love of ideas and possibilities to seeds as an ENFP. When I’m holding a seed of a new idea in my hands, I get so excited about it. But I plant it, and it hits me that I have to maintain the new thing, because it’s no longer an idea- it is something, and that something needs to be fed and cared for and worked with to grow into a tree of its own. Which is hard and boring and takes up too much of my time narrowing down. So I go obsess over another seed of potential somewhere else... and then never commit to one. It’s hard 😅 trying to work on it.

[@alexhales8569]

Yes, and that tree trunk is Si!!

[@DanaALittleBit]

@@sophiaredwood5825 I totally relate to that feeling. I love the seed analogy!

[@nicholasjh1]

I think that's a flavor of Ni. For mine I like to understand the whole system and abstract it this way in order to relate it to other systems that way everything can be really understood by fundamental principles. Not sure if this is usual or an aspect of INFJ NI or simply my particular flavor. I think that a lot of function descriptions are mediated by the presenter's use of their function stack and how it informs that function. Of course this is a natural outcome of having that function stack.

[@annibrowning868]

I think that is just infj, not that we are that common *sigh..

[@T216-n3h]

I think its the difference in NI-Te or NI-Ti. As an infj I see it the same way

[@nicholasjh1]

@@T216-n3h makes sense... I just didn't want to speak for all INFJ. I don't actually know that many besides my son and myself but he could just think like me.

[@annibrowning868]

@@nicholasjh1 I actually think that there has to be commonalities between us that we should look for to establish patterns of behaviour, although also you are right that some stereotypes etc may not fit us all in which case that should be talked about more

[@languagelover747]

As an INTP (Ti-Ne-Si-Fe) , I sometimes find myself trying to respond to someone’s question accurately (Ti) and in sequential order (Si), but keep jumping around to related details to make sure I paint a full picture (Ne), until my inferior Fe kicks in and I notice the listener is getting impatient for me to get to the point... it’s a struggle! 😆

[@garretdeblanc7832]

This was amazing to listen to. I tend to over communicate things to my team in casual business conversations. I'll start with some wordy, complex version of the idea I want to convey, and then I'll basically repeat it in simpler terms until what I'm saying is so basic that it sounds patronizing. Some people get offend by this, and I was thinking on how to explain that what they're actually hearing is my mind breaking down ideas. This has been on my mind the last few days, and now this video has confirmed all of my thoughts. Gotta love the Ni rabbit hole!

[@dominoot2652]

Okay I'm a Ne dom (ENFP) and I really like the tree allegory, however I'm going to present a different analogy, because I actually use trees/flow charts as a way to think of sensors vs intuitives. I see sensing as trees and intuition like webs. Intuition is like you're spiderman, and you're swinging from star to star, and connecting every star together, sometimes at many points. However, Ne version of spider-manning, the stars become balloons and start expanding. Then those expanding balloons become essentially 3D venn diagrams segments. The balloons then overlap, like a venn diagram does, and then it basically becomes a giant sphere because the venn diagrams just keep infinitely expanding. The sphere is everything. This is similar to the blooming tree analogy, with infinite blooms it too would become a circle or giant blob. This is why I've said that if a Ne user were to write down their thoughts, or just talk until they ran out of connections to make, they'd literally just explain the entirety of everything holistically. Now I can't really speak on it from actual experience, but I imagine Ni like this: you're spider manning, and every time you grapple to a star, the star explodes into many smaller stars. Then the same thing keeps happening as you get finer and finer, smaller and smaller stars. If a Ni dom wrote or talked until they ran out of ideas, they'd just write about every concept, getting more and more precise as they go, and how they each concept logically connects. Also the top comment, this: Ni: ideas🎉 to idea🎁 Ne: idea🎁 to ideassss🎉 is a really incredible and concise way of saying everything I said but 80 times shorter. Genius.

[@EresirThe1st]

Ne Leads to an expanded universe, Ni leads to a singularity

[@madscientist1595]

Thank you for explanation, It just kinda interesting to me that I gain insight not on analogy itself but on analysis how you deliver it. If I didn't miss anything, explaining this way (like yours) was really unlikely for Ni-dom, to come up with that easily all by themselves. But after all of that said and done, I am still confused on my Main function because I can see my mental gear switching all the time. By default, If there are too many things to take, I easily generalized to narrow it down. If things are ment to be specific I instinctively try to branch out.

[@someonerandom713]

I sat next to this INTJ guy in university. If I said something, he'd spin it around immediatly and it would still make sense. Super quick on his feet. That's why I initially thought he's an ENTP. The key was: I had to pay attention to where he spins things. An Ne user would have spun everything in random directions. And that is what he seemed to do. But after starting to pay attention, it became apparent that he spins everything in the same direction, always. Views everything from one angle. And his being so quick on his feet that I thought it gotta be Ne - is actually his Te.

[@InternetLiJo]

Good interpretation. We are good at spinning things so they make sense.. or to prove how we’re right. Lol

[@Alexdelarge1975]

I'm Ni and a good friend of mine has Ne as an auxiliary function. We often talk about feelings, the behavior of other people and relationships. While he always expands the subject to various topics (like tree), I have always have the urge to get to the core of it. To him topic A leads to topic B, then C, then D. The main theme of our discourse will get broader by the minute if he keeps talking. I want to stick to A because I want to know what the essence of A is. Yes, I know A is related to B but first find out what the essence of both are. This difference in the 'mechanics' of intuition is very joyful and learnful for the both of us. My main question about everything in life: what is the essence of it? Can I 'catch' the essence in a concise abstract statement that holds an absolute truth? In some way my friend is deducting while I'm inducting the topics we're talking about.

[@cesra97]

I definitely need a video on Ni-Si as well. Thanks for this and all the other ones, I truly find your telling more reaching to me than anyone else's.

[@LycaWolfyre]

Ahahah I love how you gave us the blooper to explain what happened at 4:46 (when your hair suddenly goes behind your right ear) 😂

[@InternetLiJo]

Lmaooo yup!

[@theultimateshadow7232]

I'm very confident to say I have introverted Intuition but you're video was indeed helpful, keep up the great work.

[@BrewerArts]

Wow! This was so well articulated! I haven't heard it put in these terms before. For several years I was certain I must be an INFP but something always seemed wrong. I realized that while I understand the language of values my main go-to function was intuition. After watching your video it seems so obvious to me now that I am describing Introverted Intuition. The part you mentioned about reduction having no added parts really hits the mark for me. Thank you!!!

[@kelseypelham4682]

I would love to learn more about how ADD interacts with the cognitive functions, but haven’t found any info really so far. I say this because I am Ni-dominant (INFJ) but I have adult ADD which can make me appear to use Ne when I get scattered (which is a lot). I’m acutely aware of it though and it’s kind of distressing to me particularly when I have a task like preparing a lesson or organizing something. To cope, I have actually had to learn to be better at improvising and being ok with not having things pared down and figured out all the time.

[@gautehunsbedt3042]

Same with my mom.

[@ThashMose]

Wow this is the best breakdown of Ne vs. Ni I’ve seen on KZbin (and I’ve seen them all 🤣). Good job, LiJo! Please do all functions Introvert vs. Extrovert 😃

[@heartpoint5289]

Hmmm. I’m Ne and I definitely see the connection points and naturally climb from branch to branch. Definitely a highly divergent thinker. But to me, “truth” is very condensed, ultimate and singular. The things I find most profound and true are the most “simple”. The branching out of ideas is in service of ultimately finding the singular point. By synthesizing all the ideas. As Ne, I would feel uncomfortable saying a “truth” that left out certain branches. Like all beings, I want my deepest truths to be known by others. I get sad and lonely and disheartened when people mistake my “branch” talking for something other than a high value of integrity. I can’t stop seeing how all branches connect and I can’t force myself to talk like Ni, but I have been practicing stating my ultimate goal and intention of my words first - when in conversation- in hopes the listener might offer more patience if they know I’m not mindlessly rambling or purposefully being confusing. Thank you for creating this clear and useful video.

[@SandiiCom]

Yeah!.. Our Ne makes sure we add EVERYTHING into the equation, before we start calculating the truth.

[@caffemocca8855]

You guys got Ne backed by Ti. Ne with Fi are different.

[@MrTrashcan1]

What got me confused was in calling Ne "divergent" thinking, while I'm envisioning it more as the gathering of external ideas to analyze and form a single conclusion--that always seemed more like converging.

[@JokerCrowe]

This was a great video! A very good explanation for what the difference is, and how you can notice it. I'm an INFJ, - so an Ni user myself - and something else I've noticed is that we can often trail off if we get stuck in our heads, it can bring about a certain awkwardness. Most people just think it's cute and charming, and I don't mean to call you out Lindsay, but I feel like that's what happened at 5:00? xD LIke I said, it was just cute and charming, but it struck me as something that happens to me sometimes too, haha. ^^

[@InternetLiJo]

😆 I can be totally weird lol. Editing is a a great help for KZbin.

[@JokerCrowe]

​@@InternetLiJo Haha! Yeah I can imagine it's a good thing to get rid of all the dead air. ^^ Also I've totally said things like "on your day that is today". x)

[@dacksonflux]

"I'm not going to be able to explain it better than I already have, time to move on." ~ Life and Times of Ni Users It's like we're actively reducing ourselves in real time.

[@charliecastillo2011]

The first time I took the Myers Briggs test I got INFP but multiple tests i took since then have given me INFJ. Through an INFP (Ne) lens, I’m definitely an INFP because I like talking about theory and having academic discussions about different things like history, sociology, anthropology, and religion/philosophy. But from an INFJ (Ni) Lens, i could be INFJ because I’ve gotten more rooted in my Buddhist practice and I now reduce people’s actions and inactions (in my head of course) to how skillful or unskillful they may be. Then again I’m pretty sure I’m an INFP because I don’t think whether I’m an INFP or INFJ matters, so long as I have something to ground myself in to become the best version of myself I can be.

[@zain4019]

My brother, this is only a side note, but maybe you may read it and it may be helpful, to you or someone else on the path of Nibbana. Be very careful when looking upon other beings and judging their actions to be skillful or unskillful, for this in itself is an unskillful act. These thought fabrications themselves are the cause of all our suffering. Buddhist practices, and those of all religions, must be applied to *our own mind*, never, ever to anothers mind or actions, for then we have lost a great opportunity to continue forth some steps on the Noble Path. When our mind judges another being, that in itself is the unskillful action. When we look with compassion upon another being, and see that they must be as they are, for no one can be any other way than that which they are in this moment, then have taken a step towards freedom for all beings. For whose mind is it that sees an unskillful act? It is within our own mind; that is the source. There, we must practice, leading to the cessation of that judgment that had arisen within our own mind. The world is perfection, as are all beings. If ever we see different, may we learn to practice correctly, so that all judgments that arise within our minds may be quieted. Blessings be to you, and may all beings rest in the love and peace of truth. 🙏

[@charliecastillo2011]

@@zain4019 thank you for being a kalyana-mitta 🙏🏽

[@santinamarie4699]

On a subject that's probably the hardest one to understand in the personality types, I feel that was very enlightening thank you. I do notice that when I smoke marijuana, which is a common habit of mine, my extroverted sensing becomes much more active. It also feels like my introverted into tuition Fades away to extroverted intuition at least for a while. And that's very interesting the swing back and forth between the introverted intuition and the extroverted intuition. I've smoked marijuana most of my life and I've experienced that most of my life.

[@dianatorralbo7690]

That's why my INTJ looks me TERRIFIED when I start to connect one story to another. He interrupts me with a single glare. Sometimes he looks amused, though.

[@superAweber]

As an INFP with strong Te this helps me understand Ni users. I used to get upset with their 'hasty simplified inaccurate conclusions'. Now I accept there's a need for people who make simplifying theories (like this channel). Even if those don't perfectly cover every single* case they still have value, Te can sit down

[@sarahruns262]

This might be the best explanation I've heard so far! Thanks Lindsay

[@InternetLiJo]

Thanks Sarah!!

[@hannapriskilla9815]

Wow, thank you so much. My brother and I had a very Ni vs Ne conversation today, so I searched for this to try and figure out why we couldn't understand each other. I think part of it is also that he leads with Si and I lead with Ni.

[@InternetLiJo]

Ah yes The Si would play an interesting role here in how you both organize information.

[@ZinaO.]

At 1:34 I was like “Say no more, I’m absolutely an extroverted intuitive.” Lol. But of course I’m gonna listen to the whole video. So anyone reading this... yea. This is good stuff. I can feel it. ✌🏽💝

[@elisabethschlarb3059]

Great video! I lead with with Ne as an ENFP and my sister leads with Ni as an INTJ and these two descriptions are bang on for each of us!

[@weavingthevaluess]

video idea: Ni vs Ti they seem similar entp here Ti seems similar in that it wants a core logical principal that can be used across multiple situations/contexts

[@InternetLiJo]

There certainly are some interesting similarities :) good suggestion

[@adhistie1694]

I was about to ask this... Yes, please do Ni vs Ti. I'm an ENTP too, I think Ni stems from Fi, while Ti stems from Si, using the latter as guiding principles

[@JellyIsland]

Infj here. I have been thinking about that too because sometimes it can be difficult to separate what my Ni does from what my Ti does since they kind of work together and both want understanding and depth. Of course one is perceiving and the other a judging function but still XD 🙄

[@nethercords]

very articulate expansion :-) i believe both intuitive functions are the cause of sleep deptrivation and also the source of our creative elements, my Ne didnt really activate until i started integrating my self with the outside world

[@NoOne-wt6om]

What is your type? I'm very creative while doing creative activities BUT I have difficulty to activate my Ne while talking with people and I usually have mental blank in casual conversations, I think it might be due to my add and social anxiety.

[@dulcesancho3550]

I'm an INFJ, and this may explain why when I tried to get typed in Personality Cafe by answering the 40Q Philosophical Questionnaire in the Socionics section my answers were so concise and straight to the point. I was so ashamed by it, but I truly think it wasn't necessary to add anything else to them. When I'm having a spoken conversation with somebody, however, I tend to display more posibilities to try and get to some sort of conclusion, even if the conclusion is "there is none".

[@jankom.7783]

Ni-Se: naturally uses metaphors (related to actions), which Si-Ne doesn't understand unless told and explained. Si-Ne: naturally uses association (related to objects), which Ni-Se doesn't understand unless told and explained.

[@cathyhart3946]

YES! This is my husband (Si) and me (Ni). We really have to try to explain ourselves to the other.

[@ADeeSHUPA]

@@cathyhart3946 ReALLY

[@animus-anoesis]

Ni - a telescope or microscope Ne - ~ a kaleidoscope ~

[@afifannan9376]

Ne user confirmed,I can finally be restly assured that iam an intp,thanks for the illustration.

[@dannykidwell4271]

Ohhhhhhhhhhh. So my coworker relayed to me that I was really good at retaining information and then I just did the task so simply the next day and I was like "yeah I have this thing where I pick apart what someone is saying and turn it into key words." But I don't do it on purpose. And being an INFJ still trying to figure myself out this makes so much more sense.

[@yucheung5853]

I think ne is the ability of letting go of the original ideas while ni is the adamant attitude toward the original idea

[@ANDROMEDAtheartist]

That's really interesting. I thought the tree/ plant metaphor made perfect sense. Very helpful and thought provoking!

[@ironfish7928]

Although i am pretty sure that i am a Ni user, i am here for more clarification and knowledge.

[@yeetyeetyeet1967]

Been having this problem the most with Objective Personality’s videos. I usually get things way faster than others but i just cant understand their videos. I get the logic in their thories but just cant apply them to real people. My theory is that we just need Se data to get to our own Ni conclusions. Listening to other peoples Ni conclusions doesnt do much because we didnt have that process of „dumbing it down“ in our own heads. Or we are just mistyped idk

[@josephmarch7142]

I liken Ne and Ni to two detectives on a scene. Ne will see the crime scene and begin inductive reasoning based on the way the person died. They will guess until something hits, or makes sense. Ne might arrive at the way the victim was killed, but it explores the ways they might have died. Ni tries to gather all the facts around the scene, using deductive reasoning, and slowly build up to the way the person might have died, or the conclusion. Both however might miss the conclusion on their methods. Ne starts at the conclusion and might end at the facts, where as Ni starts with the facts and might end up with conclusion. It's intersting however when the two work together, the Gather and Organize gets them to the point faster! :D

[@josephmarch7142]

Ne is great seriously, it really helps to see out of the box, a different route, a new way of looking at the world. Ni focuses so much on one thing, one way, that Ne sees it in a new way, and it brings it fresh life. No function is better than another, each have their uses and users. It's just so unfortunate that many Ne dominant people don't reign it in until much later in life and they seem really pained by so many missed years, opportunities, and relationships.

[@Bubbles-od2tv]

This helps me tolerate Ne people more. My mother jumps to seemingly disconnected topics not staying on point and it bugs me because I find it illogical. I test INFP usually but also ISFP a few times, and I think I’m ISFP because I fit Ni more than Ne. There’s a question in 16personalities which is key. Whether you prefer a movie or book to have an ending, or without. Ni is the former and Ne is the latter. In keys2cognition, my Fi>Ni>Ne>Se so I must be an ISFP with a strong Fi-Ni loop bypassing my 2nd function Se.

[@soren_flies]

I think you can also think of Ni as the opposite of the tree-its roots. The Ne forms new branches and creates new possibilities while the Ni collects all information and puts it all together into one summarized idea.

[@bobafett5806]

suppressive fire, artillery barrage, area clearance ops.. Ne vs sniper fire, laser guided bombs, high value target kill or capture.. Ni or gravity vs electromagnetism or with food, for example reducing via bringing to a boil to make a thick sauce (Ni) vs baking a cake in the ovNe weaknesses: horse blinders and ignoring/knocking things over vs a bull in a China shop knocking things over.

[@tsegeredatefarie9734]

You explained the ni vs ne function so well thanks!

[@samy1786]

Thinking about this; does this mean that Ni is better at problem finding, and Ne at problem-solving. In problem finding there is a search to pinpoint and drill down to find exactly what needs to be changed to reach the desired result. Ne searchs far and wide to find solutions to fit. [ INFJ - trying to integrate and bring together NI and NE] Y.S.

[@superAweber]

If you mean problem defining, I as an Ne user suck at that. I'd rather move onward

[@skip123davis]

very interesting: as intj, my assignment at work is to do exactly that. hoover in a gigantic amount of info, contacts, etc, and distill that down to actionable tasks that are specifically assigned BY ME. and i've now been directed to cc my management. and yes, economy of thought holds high value. brevity is the soul of wit.

[@irisout7463]

One thing I know my INFJ roommate hates is when my Ne is activated in our conversation. He tries to get me to reduce my thoughts down and stay on one topic. I often hear him also using phrases like “that wasn’t on track” when I say something like “this is related”. For me I like the ability to be able to expand and I find Ne users and find a lot of interesting things that Ni users fail to recognize while I also the Ni user’s ability to stick with a subject and not abandon it half way through.

[@nravaei]

I've been trying to really grasp the difference between these two for a while (myself being an Ne user) and just had an epiphany that I think explains it in a way that feels concrete and experiential for me vs. abstract. Both Ne and Ni want to understand the generalized rules or "concepts" behind things. They want to understand how the specific thing they're perceiving (event, object, information etc.) fits into the larger scheme of the world. What is it an "instance" of? For both Ne and Ni, things are only meaningful when they're "an instance" of a particular pattern or framework. When they exemplify a particular concept. I never resonated with the description of intuition as "pattern recognition", because my own Ne never felt that way to me - I never felt like I was going out "looking for a bunch of patterns", and if you asked me to tell you about some patterns I saw in the world, I couldn't tell you anything. But if I reframe "recognizing patterns" to mean that every time I come across something, I try to understand "what concept it's an instance of" (i.e. where it fits in my framework of the world), then that makes perfect sense, and it's something I feel myself doing all the time. Now, both Ne and Ni are trying to understand what concepts the things they're seeing and experiencing are "instances of". The difference is where they focus their attention. For an Ni, they focus on the concept and hold that as their constant. So they're looking for many "instances" of one concept. Information is meaningful to then when it can be applied to that one concept, which they often hold as a universal truth. So the way they use "pattern recognition" is by finding as many instances of their one concept, and using those instances as data points to refine their concept. Ne's, on the other hand, focus on the "thing", and hold that as their constant. So instead of trying see how many "instances" fit into one concept, they're trying to see how many concepts fit into this one instance. They want to know how many different angles they can take to look at something, and what they can learn about what this instance "means" from each of those angles. So they use "pattern recognition" by finding as many concepts for their one thing, and using those concepts to highlight and illuminate different aspects of that thing. So to conclude, Ne and Ni are both applying generalized concepts to the things they perceive in order to understand them. But Ne's just care about the thing that's right in front of them, and want to understand that thing as thoroughly as possible by applying different lenses to it (which gives them a strong structural understanding of things, for those of you who are familiar with socionics), while Ni's care about understanding some deeper truth about the nature of the universe, and use the things they see or experience as tools to refine that truth or vision.

[@michaelrhodes4712]

Today, in the United States, a child is born, and eventually attends school. The child learns a series of subjects, and struggles to see connections between them. Time passes, and the child can distil the subjects into theology, philosophy, science, and mathematics. More time passes, and the timeline of the past 4,000 years is finally clear to this human. Time is a river. A silent, icy river.

[@NoOne-wt6om]

What are the differences between Ne dom and Ne aux communication? I think because of having Ti or Fi in front of Ne, they will still explore possibilities but they are more likely to want to reach conclusion in their arguements.

[@andytheindividual3862]

Ive been waiting for this to expand my information YES! 🤓

[@johnredding2587]

I love your visuals for the Ne and Ni. Also love the aesthetics. Also, I am an enfp like an Ne kid with a sugar rush running from one roller coaster ride of an Idea to the next and the next 😂

[@Xlife018]

Thank you so much LiJo, I was forever confused between being an INT J/P, but I finally know that I am an INTP. Because when I speak, I just start explaining connections and end up forgetting where I came from haha.

[@ambershah5741]

Ne-inductive reasoning Ni-deductive reasoning

[@alexhales8569]

This was a really good explanation, LiJo! As an xNFP one of the hardest things in my life is verbalising my thoughts quickly and coherently enough for others to understand... have you ever struggled with this? Could you please do a video on how to improve your articulation in relation to the functions? (if that makes sense)

[@andreagreenwood93]

Never heard the word reductionism associated before with Ni; it does make sense though. We do try to dig down to the most fundamental level. Analogous to how Ti types like to pick apart logical inconsistencies, Ni types like to pick at underlying assumed premises. People take for granted something has to be a certain way or that something is important, and I ask "why" and sometimes they seem to have this moment of frustration like how could I ask that it should be obvious, YET they can't actually answer either. That seems like use of Ni to me- our strange subjective perspective on things that's not aligned with the common way of looking at it (For example, ask someone, why does swearing bother you? They might say, it's rude. Then ask, why is it rude? They might say, because people are willfully violating the rules of etiquette. Ask, why did those become the rules, what purpose do they serve? Round and round, trying to get to the "bottom" of it, the base level). I've also seen Ne associated with brainstorming a lot, and I always sucked at brainstorming! It filled me with dread. That was a cool tidbit about the air plants- I've never heard of them, I had to then go look them up 😊

[@andreagreenwood93]

@@linyenchin6773 That may very well be, but I doubt you'll come across anyone self-aware enough to tell you, "I don't like swearing because I'm emotionally constipated." 😆. How do you think it causes potential misunderstanding of purpose or meaning though? The communication seems quite clear and comfortable between people who all routinely swear. Yes, Ti does not equal logic. To be fair I think the word logic itself is often not even used correctly. But abstract concepts like Ti can be hard to grasp, and people see that's it's somehow related to logic so I think they just call it logic in their desperate attempts to define it. Idk if you see it this way, but it seems to me like an example of bad LOGIC would be: thinking that because opponent A in a debate has disproved opponent B, then opponent A has proven their own argument (or case they're trying to make) correct. And an example of logical inconsistency might be: Mary states she believes 100% of people will absolutely catch COVID-19 and there's nothing anyone can do to avoid it, then she proceeds to tell you the extensive list of precautions she's taking to avoid catching it. (This was a real situation I encountered, and while having no opinion on whether her assertion was true or false, I pointed out I didn't understand her stance because her statements seemed a bit contradictory, to which she grew increasingly flustered, did not clarify anything, and accused me of being reckless and uncaring. 😕)

[@andreagreenwood93]

@@linyenchin6773 And incidentally, that in itself (the "Mary" anecdote) seems like poor logic to me, when people assume that since you're questioning them then that means you must disagree with their premise or beliefs, when really you're just trying to get them to make better sense. But I admit I've fallen prey to that very same assumption once in a while 🤷‍♀️

[@InternetLiJo]

I haven’t heard Ni associated with reductionism before either and frankly I’m surprised lol.

[@Elodie_N_INTJ_Analyzes]

Ni is a black hole. Ne is a big bang. I will always remember this conversation with my brother, where we talk about "If space was inside a cube... what is outside of this cube? If the universe was not infinite ? What is it outside ?" Me INFJ, brother INTP.

[@InternetLiJo]

Amazing analogy, yes.

[@lisaia7877]

I can identify a persons Ne function so fast exactly due to the way you’re saying. I always say Ne is like a tree - it starts at the trunk and goes up and expands. Albeit I say Ni is the branches going down to the trunk- they all communicate exactly like that as well

[@InternetLiJo]

Yes! And sometimes you need the tree to discover new very original ideas. And sometimes you need Ni to understand how to make it happen.

[@evashaw124]

Im an ENFj that acts a lot like an ENFP and I definitely use both Ne and Ni. But thank you for this clarifying video!!

[@Itsgonnabeok4]

I feel like when I’m speaking it’s Ne but when I’m listening someone speak I’m using Ni and respond with the one thing I concluded

[@DumbGenius123]

Ne: Tree stem to branches Ni: Roots to tree stem

[@user-be3hh5pp4i]

Is it common for high Ne users to often get the reaction, “Whoa that was random”? I get that a lot but if people were inside my head they’d see that there’s always a connection. I want to begin explaining how I arrived at the “random” topic more often because I can do that fairly easily. -INFP (double activated Ne 🤪)

[@paraworld-sys]

I have an ENTP sibling and I'm always telling them how random their ideas are xd -intj

[@Galfrid]

Great explanation! My wife is Ne (wandering) and I'm Ni (reducing). Although we both appreciate intuition, our communication can be frequently frustrating 😂

[@abyssalpearl5476]

Hey Lindsay :) How do you deal with people asking for help when you have to focus on a goal ? in other words how do you say no . Do you have a video on that ?

[@InternetLiJo]

Our goals are a necessity to progress our forward movement in life. I see them as essential for the survival of the self/identity. If time were represented as coins and everyone kept asking you for money, you would get to the critical point where you would have to say no in order to feed yourself. You decide when it’s time for you to eat. 🙂

[@abyssalpearl5476]

@@InternetLiJo That is a good way to see things, I will be using these 2 rules as a starting point, Thank you 🙂

[@alexhales8569]

Lin Yen Chin lmaooo I’m weak 😂😂😂

[@erikvarga4367]

Ni.: Having "observed" human(a carbon based lifeform) behaviour and "being" in breadth and depth, from personal and cosmic perspective in the last 28 years of mine lead me to this one thing: "Hmm..." - an INFJ I am truly greatful for having Ni as dom. And I realized I don't need any other creature to understand me. Ever since then.. I am finally at ease.

[@Tilnaor]

Or in my words: free association logic. However my mind is like a star: bursting out in every direction but returning the same point. With the additional meaning of the outbursts. Detailing the original point. Is it Ne or Ni now?

[@ExistBetter]

Lol yup, the Ne throttle - purposely limiting how many connections you chase in conversations. I've had Ne friends who just keep exploding in different directions and it's exhausting/kinda immature, even for other Ne users.

[@franksmadale]

You know it's Ni because you can't stop talking/describe out that object or idea that was just hovering before you (or inside the mind idrk) until you find a queue that you're understood.

[@vulcwen]

Ne is a growing tree where the leaves represent all the possibilities. Ni is an artificial tree constructed from scrap metal and 300km of duct tape (with wires between the branches) until it becomes one big ball of tree-ness. (can temporarily build a part of the tree separately before attaching it)

[@golmaal138]

Perhaps, if Ne is a sprawling tree then Ni would be the root of the tree? Reduction is like going from many different branches to one common root. Ni works in the domain of principles or, in Jungian universe, in the domain of archetypes. While Ne explores the many possibilities and manifestations of those archetypes. What do you think 🤔

[@CupcakesX]

This is how i watch videos and gain knowledge at a tremendous short time. I put on my gaming earbuds and tune my dolby atoms to "Voice mode" which enhances voice clarity, i then slap myself with a wet fish (I'm joking) and then open up youtube and watch whatever video i want that'll grant me knowledge, i then switch the speed to 2x and put captions on and bam!. Efficiency ;) 😀

[@یاورسناییکیا]

I love the fact that you used reductionism in your explanation. I think it's more about simple ontology rather than being reductionist. I am excited to know if there are intj philosophers now days. Because how can some one not see other possibilities and focus on just one simple solution?

[@briartime3024]

In regards to reduction, I have a question. Is society a collection of individuals, or is it a distinct entity depending for its existence on its parts but not reducible to them, or in fact, reducible to them? This is just some food for thought, in that it goes beyond the mere surface level of answering in regards to whether a whole is more than its parts, because considerations must address consequences of consciousness, mind perceived reality, and etc. It would be interesting listening to a debate between a Psychologist and a Sociologist in answering this question and its implications. My ENTP son would enjoy the debate to consider so many possibilities implying other considerations and possibilities. Me, I want a reasonable answer in the end by distillation and ruling out one thing after another. I enjoy all the interesting possibilities as well, but perhaps because afterwards I want to understand the beautiful patterns for more utilitarian ends whether there is an end to actualize or the ideas continue forever branching, which is his preference, except it frustrates me in waiting for him to make some decisions based on the data. We both enjoy the process, then our J and P in relation to Ni and Ne come into conflict.

[@greatman05_CCJR]

I see myself in both functions. I firmly identify as ENTP as I primarily use Ne, I have taken several tests and scored ENTP, and I have taken Dr. Jordan Peterson's To Know Myself and appear to be an ENTP on there as well. I find many ENTPs identify me as an ENTJ as I am decisive, extremely organized in my thinking and it is seen as obvious in the way I write. I am curious as how being an INTJ shadow affects my personality.

[@willskyfe3969]

So if you have Ne in function stack youre more concerned with creating as much as possible, and Ni is more about having a lot of the same thoughts and ideas but just taking all of the ones that suck or arent relevant out? So i picture a movie, a movie that has the extended cut of the movie with all of the extra unnecessary details but provides more of a background, and then the final release cut where it takes anything that doesnt need to be there out and only keeps on the things that need to be there. Am ai picturing this right?

[@djgranville]

Great insights. Can you do Te vs. Ti?

[@InternetLiJo]

Sure :)

[@djgranville]

@@InternetLiJo YAY😎

[@stu6097]

In the Carl Jung quote you show he mentions essentially "Ne largely concerned with objects". Is Ne focusing mostly on things/objects it has seen before in reality with his/her Si? Do abstract concepts show up on their Ne "tree"?