Neanderthals & Cavemen?

[@jessebrewer3983]

As a Christian returning to Faith, I find the videos and topics of discussion life changing!

[@WAJ-ns9nw]

Nice interesting information and Creation history. Keep it up :)

[@Vickiehou]

Even nowadays, we have people living in cave, so-called cavemen. We have people living in all kinds of places today, and that doesn’t mean some people are more advanced than others. We are all created by the image of God. We all have royal heritage.

[@shredhed572]

Hello, My first visit to your channel. I did watch a rebuttal of Hugh Ross on YT on TV. I liked what I heard. I loved when the gentleman said he was a biblical creation believer and not a "young earth" creationist. A man after me own heart!

[@CerealDust-nStuff]

Me too! There are quite a few clues in the Bible that the Earth is very old.

[@markdunlap8598]

Thank you, for the discussion. Good.

[@Heisrisin3]

Really a good video. And the fact there is no evidence of Neanderthals ever lived in Africa is another nail in the coffin of evolution.

[@bbl5499]

Humans with thick bone structure are being classified like another species under the name Néandertal in reality, when one is stuck in the évolutionary paradigm. We're able to tell a 5 yo bone from a 50 yo. How about a 90 and a 900? That's the différence between human and so called Néandertal. And of course, the biblical account fit not the out of Africa theories. After the flood men came from the east towards Shinear, or Mésopotamia and started "civilisation" there. Excepted Noah the following generations lifespan decreased quickly towards the 200s in a mater of 7 centuries. Most thick boned old men must have lived around that area before they became dispersed over the earth after the Babel overthrow. The biblical account is coherent with the observations, and that's how science should work.

[@marschlosser4540]

Yep, subscribed and when I open the page, hit thumbs up and watch the video. Said it before but it's always true, you folks rock. I'll stick with tendon thanks, over gluing points to shafts. When damp tendons are wrapped aroun dthe shafted of the point, it glues itself to the stone and wood as it shrinks to a very hard layer. That can be smoked over a fire to help waterproof it.

[@iamshredder3587]

What do you make spears like that for?

[@marschlosser4540]

@@iamshredder3587 Anything a spear is needed for. Same was done to bind arrowheads and vanes. Go to pow wows and watch artisans making spears and lances in the old way.

[@PiltdownSuperman]

Similar to what Keaton said at 9:13 about people watching, I remember seeing someone with an, uh, unfortunate face. He looked like an "evolutionary ancestor" illustration in a textbook. As y'all well know, shapes and sizes of humans are in a wide range.

[@iamshredder3587]

To think not so long ago Evolutionists would've likely had someone like that put in cages on display at the zoo with monkeys or murdered and chopped their corpses up for their evolutionary propoganda displays at museums and such, like they did with so many Australian Aboriginals or Africans.

[@TickedOffPriest]

Imagine you live post-Babel and your language is confused. You were one of the brainiacs in building the tower and spent your whole life in academia, with little other skills. Now that no one understood you, you and your friends would have to settle for caves while the laborers built cities.

[@StandingForTruthMinistries]

Very informative discussion. Thanks for this video!

[@gregorytremain4086]

Nice to see you here SFT.

[@creationministriesintl]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@faithtruth8036]

Would preflood people have looked very different from us?

[@joeltay3471]

Probably not too different, considering that the Ark passengers could have carried nearly 80% of the then-circulating [pre-Flood] alleles. creation.com/effective-population-sizes-flood-bottleneck

[@TaiChiDragon....]

I really enjoyed your vid. I wonder which Biblical line would neanderthals have come from. Shem, Japheth or Ham? This would be interesting to find out.

[@ScottSheridan-t9w]

The first men lived up to 1000 years thats why there skeletal structure was completely different because of gravity they stooped over think of a 90 year old man then think of a 900 year old man. All the answers are in genesis. God shortened our lives to 120 years in Genesis 6. I am guessing that there interbreeding was there sin nature and they reaped what they sowed with there bodies disfigured. Bottom line we all have finite minds and cant understand infinite things unless God allows us to. God bless you all❤

[@bbl5499]

Excellent point about the bone structure looking different because of a 10 times longer lifespan. It's still the same species. I didn't get your interbreeding take. The first men were bound to interbreed, else how was "go and multiply according to your kind" was going to happen ? Interbreeding, for this génération preflood isn't the issue, on the contrary, they lived longer. Things changeg post flood, Meat was allowed by God and the decreasing of the lifespan set in. From Noah's 950 to the 200s in about 7 générations (100years). The decree of 120 years limit wasn't an immédiate one, yet the decreasing ages was visible. Many factors can contribute to this, the major one is lawlessness and iniquities, that brings wars and strifes. Which results in early deaths. Sickness also ,here genetics a bigger role, due to the limited gene pool post flood (only 6 persons to repopulate the earth), there's less variation and the mutations found themselves spread over more often, resulting in sickness and early deaths. By the time David writes his Psalms 90, he says mankind's life expectancy was 70 in average, and 90 for the lucky. This figures haven't changed much since then. Though it's claimed médical advances contribution to better life quality, western countries average below 90 yo life expectancy, while poor countries are usually below 60. Nothing new under the sun then. Only the exception reach the 120 marks, which looks like a real limit. Others suggest the 120 years is a count until God judges the earth and restore His création to it's original state. A Jubilee is 50 years, 120 Jubilees will be 6.000, from Noah's days until final judgement. Both readings can be right.

[@ScottSheridan-t9w]

@@bbl5499 As regards to the interbreeding didn't the fallen angels Ben Elohim breed with human women creating nephilim Genesis 6. So the flood was to wipe out that seed . Noah was of pure blood so that was why the change occured. I am very early in my Christian walk and have only started to understand the word with God's grace the first revelation that I had when starting to read the word of God was that it could only have been written by the all knowing God who knows past ,present and future and I have had some hard questions and all the answers are there when I remain obedient. Praise God the father, God the son and God the Holy spirit and God bless you abundantly in Jesus name Amen ❤️

[@bbl5499]

@@ScottSheridan-t9w Of course, interbreeding with the angels was the shift. It's impact on the living is unparalleled. Welcome to the path of the wise and righteous, may God bless you abundantly.

[@ScottSheridan-t9w]

@@bbl5499 Amen 🙏 and Amen ❤️

[@traceyholding6223]

If a population of Scots or Nigerians came to New York, would we call it "interbreeding" if there was mixing of marriages? Is "interbreeding" a word more suited for animals than for humans, and Neanderthals who are also humans?

[@cmikeatonhalley7080]

I don't think it's totally inappropriate to use that term to describe the mixing, but I do take your point. To me, it's a little odd to even use the term "breeding" when speaking of human beings. And our whole point was that both Neanderthals and sapiens are human beings, so the two groups are really one group and the distinctions are blurry and not all that significant. Language does matter, and we don't want to let our ideological opponents smuggle evolutionary assumptions into the vocabulary.

[@bloomerb4162]

Is this the creation ministries that's affiliated with Ken Ham? I watched some creation ministries yt videos a couple years ago and did they design a new logo or reboot their channel? Something seems different thought I would recognize it easily.

[@cmikeatonhalley7080]

Nope. Ken Ham is with Answers in Genesis. We are Creation Ministries International (creation.com). We do have more than one KZbin channel though. Our other one is here: kzbin.info (And the US one is here: kzbin.info)

[@bloomerb4162]

@@cmikeatonhalley7080 thanks

[@throckmortensnivel2850]

Dr Robert Carter, commenting on Neanderthals: "...they're not any more different than a major racial group..." Not sure which major racial group her's referring to, but they were quite a bit different. Different enough that no one could mistake a Neanderthal skeleton for a homo sapien skeleton. At the same time, it's true Neanderthals were humans. They could cross breed with homo sapiens, and have offspring, which explains why modern humans have a percentage of Neanderthal DNA. At the same time, the morphological differences are clear.

[@bbl5499]

Long ages do show on bones. A 5 yo Bone structure is not the same with a 50 yo one. Same between a 90 yo and a 900 one. Ten fold the time has visible effects on bones. Same race, same kind, otherwise no breeding between them.

[@throckmortensnivel2850]

@@bbl5499 Well, Neanderthals were definitely human. However, their skeletal structure is quite different. "Easily one of the most obvious differences between Neanderthals and homo sapiens is the differences in their skull and facial features. Homo sapiens have a typically round-shaped skull while the Neanderthals’ skulls are much more elongated from front to back. This longer skull was to allow for the larger brain that Neanderthals had. Additionally, Neanderthals had a prominent brow ridge above the eyes. They also had a much larger nose. The nasal passageways were noticeably larger than those of Homo sapiens...Neanderthals also had a less noticeable chin than Homo sapiens, but a more sloped forehead."

[@ivin6415]

This isn't copy write right?

[@Mboogie69]

I really enjoy listening to you Dr Carter… I would be interested in what you think of Dr Nathaniel Jensen’s work in his Answers in Genesis series on people groups and genetics and world history he did a year or so ago.

[@kennethswenson6214]

Here's is the big problem. Putting Neanderthals into the timeline isn't the problem. It's, in light of their obvious skull and other internal differences, having to explain how you have Adam & Eve as H. sapiens "like", then you have Neanderthals, then for a completely as yet unexplained reason back to H. sapiens, all in one contiguous unbroken line, and according to you, not a parallel line. Explain, please.

[@thebuff1611]

Inbreeding...

[@stephenbaker9475]

You never hear about anything like this on national geographic and anything like those messed up channels. Facts are not their friends.

[@JustFoolingAround]

Cool

[@nalcon1]

Hippies lived in caves in the 1960's. I use to visit them. I suppose they could be categorized as cavemen. Lol

[@shredhed572]

Why is it when they find a new skeleton it's always claimed to be human? Did the apes not have any ancestors? I'm being facetious lol.

[@IronMatt]

Good stuff ya'll 👏 . I've heard a theory that says the reason the Neanderthals got isolated was due to the post flood ice age and didn't necessarily have to be post babel. Yet being isolated up north and that the more recent specimens found indicated more distinct mutations due to inbreeding. Such as the brow ridge and recessed chin an such. Longer lifespans and closer to being a few generations out from the ark had something to do with then having some genes that we don't have as well. I love this topic. God bless.

[@creationministriesintl]

Yes, Neanderthals were inbred, and their bones are usually associated with the ice age. However, the Tower of Babel account would have occurred before or near the start of the Ice Age, not after. So you would have the nations spreading out just as the Ice Age was about to start. The ice age probably peaked around 500 years after the Flood. creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j31_1/J31_1_80-87.pdf

[@dennisjohnson6371]

They ate not GODS creation. Nephalim ? Maybe.

[@creationministriesintl]

Neanderthals are fully human, and a post-Flood people group. Thus they cannot be Nephilim, which lived before the Flood.

[@shredhed572]

@@creationministriesintl It does say, "..and after that." Ambiguous at best, I know

[@margomoore4527]

Jesus made everything that was made. The late Rob Skiba theorized that fallen angels did a lot of breeding or cloning hybrids. But they could not originate new life, only mess with what God made, just as modern humans “made” Covid 19 in the lab.