Nearly Kamikaze Snooker | Ronnie O'Sullivan vs Joe Perry | 2008 Shanghai Masters

"Incidents of various kinds in this match", said Mike Smith before Ronnie's last mischief with the cue extension.
A fascinating match although full of incidents and atypical situations: an official warning to Ronnie, no miss called after a failed escape, several shots missed by a long way, two fouls with the cue while potting (Joe called it on himself), ball replacement errors, inexplicable stoppage of the game, Ronnie plays with the extension still on his cue.
Even the 3-miss rule came into play, where Joe got warned after two misses (not included in the video).
0:00 Intro
4:40 Warning to Ronnie
9:45 Evil snooker and no miss called
17:00 Foul while potting 1
19:40 Foul while potting 2
24:40 Rare escapes and ball replacement errors
26:28 Inexplicable stoppage of the game
28:38 Ronnie's mischief
Ronnie O'Sullivan vs Joe Perry, 2008 Shanghai Masters - Last 16
The statistics shown in the video correspond to the date of the match.
Cesar Muroya created a unique editing technique to extract the essence of the game without losing the drama involved. Contextual information is also an innovation appreciated by viewers.
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[@sladjanivkovic2]

What a gentleman Joe Perry is, it's not just that he called himself on foul which most players do, he aslo told at 27:40-45 that red is not on the right spot and that he can pot it now. Damn.

[@HappilyHomicidalHooligan]

19:53 What was his Foul? I didn't see any balls move other than the cue, the red he hit first and the pink the red bounced off into the side pocket...

[@kristalmacleod3215]

@@HappilyHomicidalHooligan it took a nudge for sure'

[@pauldugdale7106]

Are you not allowed to nudge a red off a colour?

[@Jessebella1]

Everyone is a gentleman when theres 1000s watching and tv cameras and replays and re watching. If it is obvious you saw it, youd say it too. It is not to say he wouldnt without those things but maybe that helped his decision to call it out.

[@carstenneumann8304]

@@Jessebella1 Did you ever watch any football game? 10 times as much cameras, 100 times worse behaviour...

[@sbeallvln]

29:15 "It just looks to me as though Ronnie is playing.....ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC!!!!"

[@trevcannon]

This reminds me of when I used to play a snooker game on a PS2 on a CRT television.. QUALITY! 😂

[@J5X7]

Example of where to use "any more" rather than "anymore" (Grammar): Quote by Paul Collier at the start as it should be: "Sometimes, they don't get as close to hitting the ball _any more_ as they did in their first attempt..."

[@CesarMuroya]

Paul Collier said "anymore" as meaning "no longer", so both forms are correct there (Collins, Merriam-Webster). But if you say: "Do you have any more questions?" I believe it should always be two words.

[@J5X7]

@@CesarMuroya I'll paraphrase to make it clearer: "any more likely than as in their first attempt"... or maybe: "Sometimes they don't get any closer to hitting the ball as they did in their first attempt." It's being used as a determiner (any more +) not as an adverbial reference to time therefore not 'anymore'. 'Any more' can be interchangeable but 'anymore' is an adverb meaning 'any longer'. E.g. 'Saying "Ronnie can't play anymore" a thousandth time doesn't make it any more as true as if you'd only said it the first time.' /e.g.

[@FloydMaxwell]

You did such a wonderful job with your edits, comments and added video clips. The perfect channel to cover an imperfect match.

[@markchalled3976]

Crazy match. Some of the best and worst of snooker.

[@sgrsuman]

@Cesar u talked about respotting the balls in this video Please clear 1 doubt related to it What if we need to respot the black but it's position is not empty and all other spots are covered as well but there is empty spot near the black position on both sides(towards the pink and towards the top cushion) which one will it be placed Had this que from long but somehow I have never seen this situation in snooker matches

[@CesarMuroya]

It goes in the direction of the top cushion as the first option.

[@sgrsuman]

@@CesarMuroya Thank you so much 🙂🙂🙏

[@corey1845]

Ronnie is popular and inarguable the greatest. But hes not great at sportsmanship when he is having a bad day.

[@PresidentScrooge]

Only reason he didn't dominate like Hendry. Not had the best part and all and thus isn't mentally the most stable. Outside the game he seems to be a decent bloke nowadays, though. But back then he at times was insufferable which only was comparable to his genius on the good days.

[@stevesmith9447]

Well said, this wasn't is best look ever.

[@cahg3871]

Believe his perfectionist approach to snooker sometime overrides his humility.He wants to win so badly he can become angry and that effects his treatment of others.Not making excuses for him,just trying rationalize why he acts the way he does.

[@craftykev]

Great analysis of this game, particularly the badly replaced red after the miss, allowing Perry to pot it past the yellow.

[@pouletbelette]

@Cesar Muroya Thanks! Good job 👍

[@sdrtcacgnrjrc]

Joe Johnson is like a disapproving parent when the players don't take what he considers the best shot. The fact he's often right doesn't make it any more tolerable.

[@johnsrabe]

Is that the older-sounding one?

[@sdrtcacgnrjrc]

@@johnsrabe I guess 8:23

[@johnsrabe]

@@sdrtcacgnrjrc yeah that’s him. I’ve come to appreciate Hendry’s commentary a LOT. It would not be any sort of blot on his accomplishments if he stopped his comeback and focused on commentary, because he’s awfully good at it.

[@sdrtcacgnrjrc]

@@johnsrabe yeah, I'm a big fan of Henrdrys commentating. I'm enjoying his comeback myself -- even if he only shines in bursts. I guess the main thing is that he enjoys it, or gets something out of it

[@johnsrabe]

@@sdrtcacgnrjrc I HOPE he’s getting something out if it. Oh, and to be clear, Joe Johnson is much better than that Whispering guy! Ouch.

[@raytheron]

That last pot...!

[@andrewnielsen3178]

Ronnie can be churlish when he's upset.

[@dougthatcher3521]

Very immature.

[@C5films]

I have no idea who these commentators are/were......but they do absolutely nothing to enhance the game.

[@marcrobert7690]

Nice

[@WrxStud]

Rarely you hear commentators on Ronnie's side, in fact most times they want the opposition to prevail but like the opposition they too fail miserably!!!!

[@captainhindsight8604]

I think its the opposite to be honest, commentators seem to be rooting for Ronnie

[@BCBtrucks64]

I've noticed that to one commentator in particular always trying to predict a fail for the rocket no matter how many time the commentator gets it wrong

[@JMRSplatt]

Nice chairs.. bucket seats from cars.. interesting

[@94edugodoy94]

Strange things happens

[@egroegartfart]

I don't understand what the foul was that Joe called on himself. Does anyone understand that?

[@pauldugdale7106]

Yeah I didn’t get that either

[@christopherturvey1955]

@@pauldugdale7106 i honestly don't think he did foul

[@theodorehui]

joe reminds me of jordan schlansky

[@gepflegtesgequatsche1922]

Getting more and more convinced of needing a table… unfortunately my wife does not… so far

[@greebo7857]

Young people taking up the game should force themselves to practice using their non dominant hand. Here in Australia all the top Australian rules footballers can use both sides of their body when needed, which shows that it can be learned. In snooker the advantage Ronnie has doing this is huge.

[@shaneeuropa]

I'm right handed naturallyy, but now after year's... I only play left handed! I've to learn to play right handed again!

[@klaasklapsigaar1081]

Please enable anisotropic filtering x16

[@wakaya]

Those pockets look a tad tighter than the template today, or am I seeing things?

[@101mossie]

We gonna ignore that last black to win the match, class

[@Dripzz_]

What did Ronnie say?

[@TheLastCrumb.]

It should have been a miss. You can’t screw Perry out of points because he played a great snooker

[@healthiswealth7899]

i doubt anyone would have got out of that snooker, i would love to see your expert way!

[@TheLastCrumb.]

@@healthiswealth7899 you don’t change the rules just because it’s a hard shot. Pretty played it and got the snooker, then because of people like you not being very sporting you want to change it because it’s too hard lol

[@xx3868]

Once the NEXT shot is played everything stays no matter mistakes by the ref where it is and the REF shouldnt be asking at the A grade level or even B grade as i am qualified what to do or ruling. You must be the authority but also try to stay out of the way too so players arnt distracted. Perry might be sensitive and a swear penalty might have effected him too and make the game a little edgy for both going forwards as he can sense O'Sullivans frustration or whatever is going on with such a brilliant but strong minded player.. O'sullivan made all sorts or mistakes and gafes and just wanted to be out of there but lower players have limited money so these games are costly and important to them so.... Ronnie should treat all games the same and try to make the experience for all players something good..

[@blardymunggas6884]

Ronnie is quite a character when he was younger

[@shubhanshugoswami]

Ronnie was*

[@Khorpedon]

He was a tit.

[@martinsawicki2716]

Who in their right mind puts so much sharpening on a video?? Lol

[@seanharrison5915]

Ronnie woke up n chose violence this day😂

[@hecerhezretguliyeva5378]

👍👍👍👍

[@amozmozez6480]

Ronnie was in the tank to the bookies for this match.⛔

[@peterjongsma2779]

If they sanctioned bad language in Rugby League ,they'd have to abandon the sport.

[@thebenevolentsun6575]

Why

[@peterjongsma2779]

The F Bomb. Take a Look. But Rugby League is the toughest game in Town. They ain't Choir Boys. But it did upset My Devout Catholic Mother. I never dropped F Bombs when My Mother was around. Her rage scared The F Bombs outta me.

[@spoziscool]

What’s the point of making the snooker extra difficult if it’ll just be less likely a miss will be called therefore the better the snooker you put them in the less points you’ll potentially earn from it. How is that fair?

[@EannaButler]

Exactly. The optimal strategy is a difficult snooker, but not too difficult!

[@spoziscool]

@@EannaButler How is that logical? The better the snooker is the more points you deserve to rack up. If you manage to get yourself into a snooker you can't get out of then you deserve the points you lose! This would also make the game so much more exciting because no matter how far a player is behind you know they can still win it and still have hope.

[@EannaButler]

@@spoziscool I'm just illustrating your own point. That the optimal strategy is a non-optimal one without the miss rule, as applied by the refs.

[@AngrierGorilla]

If the ref thought Ronnie couldn't make a better try to hit the ball, then it's not a miss. This is the rule.

[@slolerner7349]

It should be ball in hand, like the yanks do

[@sendmeangel8201]

Referee crazy..

[@carlhartwell7978]

I feel that, just perhaps, some people think that the miss rule is there so that a player can gain multiple foul points from an exceptionally good snooker. Of course that's not why the miss rule is there.

[@carlhartwell7978]

@Johann Sebastian Bach Well, that would mean changing the rules of the game, and requiring the ref to somehow adjudicate on how 'good' they deem the snooker to be. OR it means essentially taking the 'racking up of points from the miss rule' as a means to determine the worthiness of a snooker. Let me ask you a question, I don't think anyone would suggest Perry's snooker was particularly exceptional, but let's envisage a situation (and I've seen it a few times) where a similarly difficult to escape snooker was achieve by a spectacular shot, do you think the ref ought to make a different decision in that case...let the miss rack up points until snookers required perhaps because of the great shot the player made to produce the snooker?

[@carlhartwell7978]

@Johann Sebastian Bach I suppose utilising the miss rule to enact a 'more points for a good snooker' type of change in Snooker would be objectively the best way of doing it. I guess I've always been critical of the miss rule because it allows for the racking up of points, even when the snooker is close to impossible. I just don't think a player should be able to practically win a frame from one (albeit possibly) great shot. And of course your system doesn't preclude that from still happening, which I realise isn't the point of it! I just don't see the need to change the rules so that players can essentially be guaranteed extra points for single shots. It sounds somewhat vulgar for some reason. can't put my finger on why lol.

[@EannaButler]

@Johann Sebastian Bach Yeah, the miss rule was introduced to stop players gaining unfair advantage from half-baked attempts to escape from snookers. The rule isn't applied when snookers are required. I always thought it should stop one before that, the miss before snooker required.. No snooker player will see advantage for consistently missing the ball on, to the point they require snookers! Remember the 2020 WC semi between Kyren and McGill? The latter had miss called 8 times! Who playing the decider in the world championship semi wants to go from a bunch of points up, to requiring a snooker? I remember another event when John Higgins got really angry at miss being consistently called. I recall him muttering 'I actually am trying to hit it!', or words to that effect. Both of those events, and who knows how many others, the referee is indeed adjudicating how close the player is to hitting it. It seems like the reason why the miss rule was introduced isn't being applied in those scenarios. If a player is trying to pot a ball, and cues right across it, missing the pocket by a wide margin, and ends up snookering his opponent, shouldn't the referee not call that a miss too? It was a bad shot, a poor attempt, and he gained advantage..

[@megamus3]

I'll never understand why the powers that be try to reconstruct what is basically a bar game onto some zombie like utopia of gentlemanly conduct where emotions are more or less taboo.

[@johnsrabe]

MAYBE (I don’t know; this is a guess) it’s because when they decided to put it on T - a decision I believe Sir David Attenborough had something to do with, because the colored balls would look good on color TV - they then had to clean up the image, requiring waistcoats and banning naughty language? Making it more like the billiards played in gentlemen’s clubs or the billiards rooms in stately homes?

[@sethh8892]

It's always been a gentlemans game... there are some foul-mouthed players in bars, but that doesnt mean that snooker is a dirty, foul mouthed, game. Also, what is wrong with having manners and respect for the opponent in a game? Why are you opposed to having respect?

[@thebenevolentsun6575]

Snooker isn't a bar game lmao. Pretty hard to fit a 12ft table in a bar.

[@megamus3]

@@thebenevolentsun6575 jesus h.

[@thebenevolentsun6575]

@@megamus3 what?

[@lordhanz9926]

Ronnie gets a warning from referee.. procceeds to pot balls fast so the referee gets tired putting back colors. ROFL

[@spencergee6948]

an't quite see how he action relates to the title -typical of KZbin!

[@christopherturvey1955]

there was no foul at 20 mins

[@johnmoorfoot3954]

Watch the game with sound off, commentary is lacking....

[@FloydMaxwell]

2:25 That decision to go for the green (instead of the black). Only Ronnie does stuff like that. Genius.

[@henrikhyrup3995]

Nah - he did that because the baulk area was fairly congested, so to go from black to yellow posed a much higher risk of running into other colours and thereby not being on the yellow. By going green->yellow->green he eliminated that risk by keeping the cueball up there all the time.

[@FloydMaxwell]

@@henrikhyrup3995 I'm not saying Ronnie's reason doesn't make sense. I'm saying that human nature wants 7 points instead of 3. Ronnie always choose the right ball to go for, even if it is the tougher shot (at first).

[@jhkk1269]

@@FloydMaxwell Its called breakbuilding, its not all about getting the most points, its about clearing the table

[@FloydMaxwell]

@@jhkk1269 True

[@manjago9821]

The last scary black to pot by Ronnie,otw don't think too much and don't take too much time on it ..just pot it!!

[@ronsimpson8666]

Lol. Warning for bad language. Id be like 'feck off mate!'

[@johnsrabe]

Judgy commentators. Sheesh.

[@dougieroberts7045]

Intimidated referee with no backbone,

[@gegwen7440]

Trouble was the ref had heard Ronnie curse himself & instead of letting it slide until the frame had finished made an issue out of it. Ronnie then took offence and as time went on the ref realised his error so made another (by not declaring a miss) by trying to right his earlier wrong.

[@TheMurderBird]

@@gegwen7440 I think he was worried how Ronnie would take it if he made him keep shooting from that position when he was already hot headed probably would have conceded the frame honestly, not good though ref should be impartial no matter how emotional the players get

[@cpk313]

A warning for swearing under you breath.....you got to be fucking kidding me

[@jodyrolandconstruction6577]

Somebody please explain to me 9:51. Why does he snooker Ronnie instead of potting the black in the corner and going on to the rest of the balls?

[@LS_Z32]

Because it's extremely difficult to get position on his next shot which would be the yellow...so he played safe and laid a snooker.

[@AngrierGorilla]

he's straight on the black, virtually impossible to get on the yellow.

[@jodyrolandconstruction6577]

@@LS_Z32 high left English. Three rails to the right side of the table and he’s in position. That’s my thinking anyway

[@AngrierGorilla]

@@jodyrolandconstruction6577 with the black on the spot you could make a shot like this, but it was near the cushion, so a forced shot like that increases dramatically the chance of missing it. Imho the snooker was a wise choice.

[@DaRuler66]

Typical Mr Cocky style

[@user-ps1dv9xy3t]

Всем привет 😄

[@jimmcewan417]

advertised as Nearly Kamikaze snooker! turns out as a boring build up to an anticlimax

[@BCBtrucks64]

oooh thats not the best shot he's(ronnie) played ! then drops the black on the last shot like it was nothing ' no wonder ronnie gets the shits with the officials they have one job to do and stuff it up yet they are on ronnies back over the slightest discretion

[@alvaroureta4011]

Ia a crack

[@Jessebella1]

Not being funny but that last black was an easy shot for anybody lol It really wasnt hard

[@thebenevolentsun6575]

It wasn't ridiculously hard but it's far from easy.

[@poppetx]

was TV really this shit in 2008 it wasnt was it?

[@kekohokko7213]

The video was probably compressed as avi or mpeg at some point before getting converted to KZbin, judging by the artifacts in the reds.

[@dougieroberts7045]

Bad refereeing there, Perry played a very good snooker and gained no advantage whatsoever.

[@AngrierGorilla]

However, you must consider that foul points resulting from a foul & miss are not a reward for a good snooker. In fact, the rule does not say that foul & miss should reward a good snooker.

[@dougieroberts7045]

@@AngrierGorilla Well, in practical terms 'rewards' are irrelevant. What is important here is that the fact that Perry played a good snooker and effectively gained no advantage, which is the whole idea of playing a snooker.

[@AngrierGorilla]

@@dougieroberts7045 the point is: was it a miss? The ref thought it wasn't. And by the rule it's not a wrong decision. Other ruminations about "advantages from a good snooker" are completely irrelevant.

[@dougieroberts7045]

@@AngrierGorilla - Try to respect the game of snooker, of course it was a 'miss'. What the referees personal thoughts are dont matter in the slightest, he needs to remove his personal thoughts and resort to relying on the rules of the game, they are clearly defined and not open to personal intertpretation. The whole idea of playing a snooker is to gain a tactical advantage, the better the snooker, the bigge the advantage gained. The referee was wanting to appear to the viewin public as impartial and capable of making a sendible decision, he failed miserably. Anybody who plays the game would acknowledge that. The referee had opporutinity to call the miss and take due note of the 2nd miss, should it be a miss, he didnt do that, basically he was intimidated into a confrontation with O'Sullivan,,, ultimately this comes down to where we started, .........Bad refereeing.

[@AngrierGorilla]

@@dougieroberts7045 Miss rule: "A miss is when the cue ball fails to first contact a ball on and the referee CONSIDERS that the striker has not made a good enough attempt to hit a ball on." As you can clearly see there is the verb "CONSIDERS", so the thoughts of the ref ARE relevant. You don't even know the rule.

[@1218jmm]

"This is the most boring match ever, we know Ronnie's going to win...let's keep talking about 'the warning', definitely more exciting than the snooker at the moment."

[@dougieroberts7045]

Bad referee, more I watch this , more I realise just how poor this referee is.

[@katjoe1974]

You’ve commented this same sentiment like 4 different times on this video. What’s your deal?

[@CraigLumpyLemke]

I'm confused with the commenters repeatedly saying "We don't have any idea what the warning is about". The producers flashed text on the screen about "Ref warns Ronnie for swearing". Come on, you over dramatic Brit commentators. Get the big picture here.

[@dougieroberts7045]

Rubbish refereee, scandalous and lacking the courage of his convictions,