Neckbeard Power Gamer HATES Roleplay In TTRPG - DnD Horror Stories

In today's episode of Dungeons and Dragons Horror Stories, we have a tale of a power gamer that says all bards have to play music, and that roleplay is stupid. Then a thatguy player that plays into the typical bard trope.
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[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

14:45 they're saying they picked up a random rat you could find anywhere and claimed it was the rogue. The common rat got hanged in the rogue's place. The rogue (still polymorphed) felt guilty over this and left to take care of the rat's family.

[@DnDDoge]

Okay. The way it was written kinda broke my brain. Or it could have been the brain fog, lol

[@ChaosCounseling]

You ruined my fun, never mind the fact I was actively trying to ruin the whole party’s fun, this game is for me!!!

[@karlwittenburg5868]

“If we kill the noble we can take over his realm!“ Yeah no this is not how medieval power vacuums work. Good on the DM for shutting that down immediately

[@deepseastonecore3017]

If you knew me before my 20s, you never actually knew , you knew season 1 me, we were severely underfunded and the writing team was going through a lot

[@ezsoterica]

As someone who is super allergic to nuts, the bard bringing nuts to the group when he knows that someone is allergic is just... rude, and a touch aggressive. That or it displays a complete lack of empathy.

[@notoriouswhitemoth]

I'm pretty sure knowingly feeding someone something they're allergic to constitutes felony assault in most places

[@Ashtari]

Rude? Sounds murderous to me since in some people, just the smell of nuts can cause anaphylactic shock.

[@unluckyone1655]

We have someone who is allergic to melons. I totally forgot when I bought a fruit tray for oblitory food offering for table game. Needless to say, I made sure to never bring anything with melon again. Nothing bad happened, we just had to keep the tray in another spot and thoroughly wash our hands if we touched anything from the tray

[@ezsoterica]

@@unluckyone1655 Allergic to melon? That poor soul 😭

[@ezsoterica]

@@Ashtari I am unfortunately one of those people, and I've had a lot of people who think I'm overreacting or hyping the allergic up, or just straight up don't believe me. It sucks.

[@kayq3231]

I'm happy that story based bards exist because that's something I'm planning for a future game I'm playing in. She’s going to collect fairy tales from the towns the party travels to.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

I am planning a card based warlock, who did not sell his soul for powers, he gambled it. He did not even to it for the powers, he did it for the thrill of gambling with a devil. The deck of cards he used in the game is his arcane focus and as he is casting spells, he is pulling cards out of the, now infinite deck, and throwing them.

[@ShavedTomato]

I liked playing a Spirit Bard as someone who collected stories from relatives of the diseased, to give the relatives a chance to talk to their loved ones even if in the form of an illusion. Phantasm Force was a 1 minute way to say goodbye and have it feel real. That and/or play a Spirit Bard as some bartender that uses "spirits", offering the "Angel's Share" for bigger spells

[@blesper3415]

If you go back really far in fantasy tropes (or even to just ad&d) Bards were elite agents that sometimes acted as a wandering musician for a disguise. Nowadays people look at bards as if minstrel is the default.

[@kayq3231]

@@blesper3415 sounds like fun!

[@Ashtari]

I’m playing a lore bard in a game and he’s a storyteller/historian. Takes after his uncle who’s a knowledge cleric. My bard’s best friend is a glory paladin and the whole reason behind adventuring with the paladin is that he doesn’t trust anyone else to tell the tale properly.

[@LiteraryDM]

*last story* Oh, Bard is just using popular songs for stuff. Okay, that's not bad. *List continues* Oh...oh no...how did it get so bad so quickly?!

[@AmonDevilman]

Honestly, if I was the DM and someone tried to pull what the rogue pulled out of spite, I'd simply say "get the fuck out of my table."

[@liamdalemon1525]

what if instead you punish them by giving them a temporary -5 to intelligence because they are INCREDIBLY STUPID if they're gonna pull that

[@vexxama]

“You ruined my fun!” Steals and destroys player items out of meta spite

[@schwarzerritter5724]

I think this is the first time I have seen someone play Heretic as storytelling background.

[@DnDDoge]

I needed a pallet cleanser between Elden Ring sessions, lol

[@WyntheRogue]

I will always be baffled by people who get angry at people Roleplaying in a Tabletop ROLEPLAYING game. D&D,pathfinder,etc. Have always been a means to channel creativity, tell a campaign's story and how it shifts as the player's actions pend. Sounds like the problem player should just stick with playing a video game if dominating was the only thing that mattered in his eyes. That being said,bards can be fun if done right as I'm making two for 2 different campaigns. One is a winged tiefling glamour bard flavored as an incubus whom yes does seduce from time to time [as incubi do] was built to be a spymaster. The other is a sea elf valor bard who aspires to Chronicle a riveting hero's tale while engaging in some heroics as well which drives him to venture out onto his journey with the future party.

[@MaindexOmega]

Roleplaying in my roleplaying game? they really should put a label or something

[@REfan2002]

Lucky needs to win a Grammy for his voice. 😊

[@theinquisitorisamage1653]

First story - the rogue should've been talked to when he started pulling out his phone, and booted when he asked the DM if the next game was going to be "an RP session." Second story - hope the DM grew a backbone.

[@zandosdwarf-king]

If someone takes 5-15 minutes to tell a full story to take a simgle persuasion, I'd leave for a smoke every time

[@catandrobbyflores]

"what was I going to do? Talk them to death?" Let me introduce you to the spell Vicious mockery!

[@spoonyluv19]

I had a new bard player that was into some questionable things. She started off trying to sleep with every NPC or PC that joined the party. After having bad rolls she gave this up in lieu of going full zoophile and trying to sleep with her canine mount. (Player was a halfling) I'm pretty sure this revelation lead to at least two players leaving the game.

[@lordruxlinhogie5912]

The bard in my current group is an actor and I've been planning to try out a scholarly bard at some point. The horny, musical bard has been so played out that its honestly grating at this point.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

The bard in my current group is a jester. It is also not a bard but a celestial warlock with the entertainer background, because a bard is just what they would be expecting!

[@derrinerrow4369]

I remember playing the Banner Saga 2 and there were a couple of party members that were sorta like Bards. they could fight okay, but their specialty was assisting others with tales of glory. to keep nearby allies going strong, Makes me want to be a Valor Bard.

[@DnDDoge]

In the one campaign I've been playing that's been on hiatus for a few months, I've been playing a bard that acts like the stereotype, but secretly is asexual, and thinks he has to be that way to be successful. Never got to do the reveal, so the other players still assume he's the standard horny bard, lol.

[@marcusreading3783]

My group has a character who appears, on the surface, to be a typical horny Bard, but is actually deeply scarred by a past betrayal and uses it as a coping mechanism. Whenever someone he likes actually flirts back, he ends up a stuttering mess. And my character basically inserts snarky comments whenever he does something stupid, resulting in more flailing. I think it makes for a pretty neat character.

[@iank472]

I absolutely love how much effort Bard put into their storytelling! Also I believe the final bit meant that the party 'framed' a regular rat as the polymorphed rogue and the rogue, feeling guilty about leaving a bunch of little rat orphans, chose to stay and look after the hanged rats family.

[@APerson-ws4cw]

Assuming the game had a lot of RP before the bard showed up (which it seems like, given the 6 months of downtime the party got for a level up), the rogue should've left the game and found one that fits his playstyle. Though the DM should not have allowed the PvP with the rogue AND the bard.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

The story makes more sense when you consider the player was probably autistic. Because that is what "neckbeard" means. It is a wort used to revile autistic people without it being ableist. Not saying that excuses it behaviour, but it helps explaint.

[@APerson-ws4cw]

@@schwarzerritter5724 that could explain things, but neckbeard doesn't mean autistic

[@schwarzerritter5724]

@@APerson-ws4cw Not if you're honest.

[@c6rn6g2k1d]

No. A Neckbeard is usually someone who feels entitled to anything and everything, has no social awareness or doesn't place concern over what others may see as indecent or improper behavior, usually obsesses over gaming or certain media like anime, and are sometimes social predators. It's possible that some neckbeards could be autistic, but it is downright despicable to just arbitrarily equate a group of literal walking Napoleon Complexes with a group who suffer from a mental condition that they wouldn't have wanted for themselves if they were given the choice.

[@APerson-ws4cw]

@@schwarzerritter5724 ?? I'm autistic, and not once has neckbeard ever been about autism. It's about someone being a jerk at the table, either by being disrespectful, creepy or just plain rude

[@soultpp]

I have a bard character that I have as a backup for my current campaign or any future one we do. She's a violinist that is exploring newly awakened emotions through her music! The OP if the first story had a really fascinating take and probably closer to a historically accurate one. Bards were traditionally tale spinners and disseminators of news and information and not necessarily all singers! And I could listen to Lucky sing all night! 🥰

[@DoomsdayR3sistance]

Ironically the pet rat had more charisma than the player controlling it, also probably had more charisma than the bard in the 2nd story, don't get why people do this type of thing in D&D. Also at this point I wonder if I tune in more for the stories or for lucky. I do like both rpg horror stories and cats!

[@akun50]

On the Roland the Ratboy story, this guy is probably the sort of guy who doesn't give a flying fart about anything but his power fantasy. He should only play single player games that have no cutscenes. I think the Atari era would be right up his alley. Also, I think OP for that story was a wonderful twist on the overly common instrument-playing bard and a fine return to the oratory origination. On the Danny Bard story: Never try and target a player in game for out-of-game actions (or lack thereof) or in-game horniness. If you can't tolerate a person, boot them.

[@lanir9543]

Complaints about non-musical bards that have books are just weird. In 2nd edition AD&D, the bard cast spells just like a wizard, from a spellbook. Also in 2e The Complete Bard had many kits (think of them as early subclasses that start at level 1 if you're not familiar) that emphasized different performance styles. Even the 5e bard description clearly emphasizes stories as much as music. So every complaint the powergamer had about bards translated to me as "You're playing a bard! Who's... a bard!" It kept me wondering what I was missing until I realized the powergamer just had no idea what he was talking about.

[@spectrelead]

Story 1 's rogue would've been told to get the fuck off my table as soon as he said bards have to do music. Norse skalds ARE bards, and most of them didn't have instruments, but told stories. I'm a 3.5 veteran, and I've seen bards who don't do the music thing, and the rules support perform OTHER THAN MUSIC as bardic.

[@kyriss12]

I’m also wondering if he wasn’t just ass mad because the bard constantly bringing up inside jokes to past campaigns reminded him he was an outsider to the group, and he was too stubborn to communicate like an adult

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

I mean strictly speaking, 5e's rules *REQUIRE* an instrument for Bards, because it's their spellcasting focus. Without it, a Bard must cast spells with the material components of any spell (but they'd be fine for any verbal/somatic only spells). Within those restrictions of the rules, however, you're right - you could play a Skald, it'd just cost you certain spells. (But of course, the DM has absolute authority and can overwrite this)

[@DisneyChar]

@@MrJoeyWheeler strictly speaking I would larp with a kazoo at every session until my enemies agreed I dont have to play an instrument

[@RioDrake]

Man, that first guy would have HATED my librarian College of Lore Bard (and elf who also had a full and well maintained beard).

[@alphons1456o]

I had a bard in a Lost Mines of Phandelver game that was just a Vicious Mockery machine. My favorite insult was yelling at a Stirge, "You were the weakest egg in the clutch and it shows!"

[@Arcticmaster1190]

First story: Why do the problem players always DO THIS?! They have an issue with how someone runs a class but instead of accepting that this was run by the DM and OK’d or at least process that it’s a different take than the norm, THEY TRY TO SEVERELY CRIPPLE THEIR PARTY MEMBER’S OPTIONS. You aren’t winning brownie points for being a goddamn vigilante, or proving that you’re opinion on how someone should play their class is correct by trashing their character’s foci needed to cast or do their job. … shit, did I lose it? Sorry. I don’t think I’ve quite recovered from that broken Gunsmith story on a few other channels.

[@numbskull9481]

That's actually a pretty creative way to deal with a an uninterested player but still have him be present. It seened like for a time everyone was content just carrying him around as a pet.

[@kevinchong5424]

Hehe Lucky, the cat Bard. The fun that can bring to a table

[@bsabruzzo]

Ah, I remember my first Bard when I began playing 5e. It was a lore Bard, a Tiefling that started as a street hustler and found that invoking Lathander and telling tales of redemption while passing himself off as a Cleric got him more "donations" during his street performances. He effectively became an evangelist and started believing in his own teachings, his sermons were his songs and he had a book of stories about Lathander that he would slap or pound his hand on as his instrument. The party believed he was a Cleric for a while, as he kept his spells close to the Cleric's list. I'm telling you that thaumaturgy, message, and cure wounds really helped sell the show.

[@imkluu]

I played a Bard that was a doctor, and expert tactician. Instead of music, song, or performance, she used oratory skill to shout out useful combat techniques, tactics, and strategy to give the party the bardic bonuses, and spell boosts.

[@solarchos8821]

Dood, when Lucky meowed I think my OWN Micro-Panther mewed in response. 2:55 - Oooo, so the Bard would be something more akin to a Skald from Norse society (basically a combination oral historian/storyteller?). That actually sounds like a cool take on the traditional character class.

[@slagarcrue85]

Your avitar adorable doggie. You have the three cutest cats I’ve ever seen.

[@pLanetstarBerry]

I do love how creative people can be when figuring out different kind of bards. I have a creation bard in the works that's this Jim Hensen type and his spells are little puppet shows. Also, with the Animating Performance feature the object's strength is 18 no matter the size category of the object (the limited size category the Bard can animate is Large, but you get it), so just imagine you're a bandit just doing your thing and suddenly Kermit just runs up and f*cking decks you.

[@ChazMcRich1]

I like the early uploads because I can listen to them on my way to work.

[@byronsmothers8064]

Spellcasting of all types state you MAY use a spellcasting focus, which replaces the somatic & no cost, unconsumed material components, focuses need not be used for ANY spellcasting. Bard style spellcasting states you MAY use an instrument as a spellcasting focus for bard spells, you can opt to not use an instrument. Makes them sound like a musical & lorecraft form of artificer.

[@Sigilstone17]

The players in the first story were all experienced players but didn't know a muderhobo when they saw one?

[@joelypoly4699]

Egbert’s the name of an NPC in my campaign, all my players hate his name 😂

[@NewGuy2534]

One version of Bard people can try are Trollkin Runebearer. Runebearers, and Trollkins in general, have a very oral storytelling tradition. It is said anyone who hears a Runebearer’s tale feels as though they are a part of a grand narrative.

[@GODincarnet]

I''m so glad my brother showed me this channel both lucky and yourself always brighten my day

[@Xokoy]

Simba knew his time had not come to sing his shanty so he graciously let Lucky have the spotlight...if only some people in these stories could learn how to do such things...

[@tsifirakiehl4250]

I thought the word “no” was often one of the first words learned by infants. Apparently, that’s rarer than I thought, given how many people in these stories don’t know it. If I had a player refuse to roleplay in a ROLEPLAYING game, I would explain to them what a roleplaying game was, and if they kept being a jerk about it, they would be kicked. Players who tried to be the class police would also be kicked. Why did the DM and the rest of the party put up with this guy for so long?

[@tsifirakiehl4250]

Oh my god the names in the second story are references to “The Room.”

[@vortega472]

Ah L'll Lucky signing the song of their people. I've always wanted to do a Bard based on Saul Goodman from Better Call Saul, a talker - I would make him a chronicler and historic poet like Homer - but then also be the talker of the group.

[@lemonygem4274]

i dont have "Horror" story about bards, but i did play in an Icewind Dale campaign where 4/6 of us (me included) played a different kind of bard. Mine was a Hobgoblin with no offensive spells, and was suuuuper ugly. When he died, because he was so annoying and ugly, he was kicked out of both heaven and hell, and had to stay on the material plane as a ghost. This was seen by a cleric who recently joined, who then left the next session. The DM had his now npc of a character start a cult around my ex-bard, which eventually led him to acquiring enough followers to become a demigod. And that is how Hobert the Hobgoblin Bard became Hobert, God of the Unwanted

[@nebairojas1747]

Hey! I'm a new subscriber and I love your channel 💜 I think in the first story there's something the OP did wrong despite the Rogue being an absolute nightmare of a player. The Rogue was new into an stablished group of friends that have been playing for years, and OP was sharing stories about older stuff that didn't involved the Rogue in the slightest, nor seemed to reach Rogue's player to tell his stories too and include him somehow, and fairly enough that would make anyone feel left out, not invested because those are unknown characters, or even outright bored. Also, personally I think that this kind of "telling stories/playing music" bard should be done very carefully since there's always the possibility of the bard taking too much time and the shtick getting old very fast, and if there's 6 NPCs to talk to that day, it may get tedious to have the bard telling 6 different stories and not letting too much space to other players to interact freely. Telling stories, music, joking, etc is something that may get old very fast in the wrong hands. I still think the Bard was cool and the Rogue was a flaming douchebag, but I think it was worth to put thar on the spot since TTRPGs are fundamentally teamwork-based games, not just roleplaying and rolling dice. Making every player feel included and engaged is very very important.

[@StSubZero]

Which is a perfectly fair and valid point, since no one likes a spotlight hog. Though OP mentions he only did it twice in between the first four sessions, probably wanting to only resort to it when all other options have failed / as you mentioned letting everyone else feel included, which to be fair he did consider the possibility of the Rogue feeling left out when someone mentioned things to him.

[@marybdrake1472]

Role playing is "mechanically irrelevant" in a role playing game, sure. I can't really muster enough sarcasm to properly that idea.

[@peterriverajr6899]

That idea for the bard from the first story is an awesome idea i wanna use this idea for one of my characters

[@talkingwithadam812]

Im playing a battle rapper bard. But he also plays as a hype man. My vicious mockery is fire bars Guidance is 'ad libs' where i just make rap noises as players do the thing Holy weapon is 'bling bling' and i flavor it as dripping out ur weapon, but let the other player say what it looks like Bardic inspo is cash. Paper money. Its useless in this world, but i have stacks of it. Players throw it when they use it Oh i also use a gun i found, even tho im not proficient, but i hold it sideways so its okay cuz i look cool Its the dumbest character ive ever made, and i love it. Its kinda music, but not really. Hes a hype man who just supports the party in w.e they do (cuz hes got gang loyalty)

[@Midnight3Wonder]

I've got two stories about my attempts to play a bard went horribly wrong. One went into NSFW territory while the other made me rage quit DURING CHARACTER CREATION. I admit that I am not completely innocent of any wrongdoing in these stories, but I was certainly not the problem in either tale. Yeah, not even the rage quit story. I've shared them on Reddit if you're interested in reading them. They're called "A Bard's Struggle To Play".

[@Born2b4everMe]

Hold on. Offering to defeat monsters by beating them at Yu-Gi-Oh is hilarious. The rest however.....

[@kurisu7885]

Yeah that guy should go and play a video game..... oh wait, those can have RP too! Even then they come off as the type to skip all cutscenes and then have no idea what to do.

[@darklord884]

Man, the bard pulled an Amok on the rogurand got away with it. (Those not in the know, there is a book titled Amok that was written by a murderer years if not decades after he killed someone and it contained details only the killer would know so the cops busted his psychotic butt.)

[@ZisisKoukoumakis]

I love the heretic gameplay in the background!

[@stevencavanagh7990]

D&D is 50/50, 50% RP, and 50% combat, but every game is different, and these numbers are not static and can be adjusted to fit tables. I once played right into the Bard trope, with one of my Groups favourite Bards, (Second to that Gnome), at one point in order to get past some local thugs my Tiefling Bard cast a major image and created the image of the Lord's Wife (who He had a thing for), dressed like a stripper and dancing around a campfire, the party's fighter punched the Bard, as he was having an affair with her. but it worked the Thugs were distracted long enough for the Rogue to free the Lord's Daughter, who also failed to see threw the illusion.

[@gimok2k5]

Anytime someone complains "Quit doing RP", a question to throw at them is "Are we playing a TTRPG right now?" And if they answer yes, follow up with "What does TTRPG stand for?". Then finish by pointing out that in a Table Top *Role Playing* Game, you *Role Play*, because it's part of the game.

[@mrosskne]

i love when the doge goes janky

[@unluckyone1655]

Liking and commenting on the Heretic game footage. Such an awesome and underrated game from that generation

[@patjacksonpodium]

I think we can all agree that the problem player in the first story does indeed suck. BUT. I have seen more than my share of players who think "Good RP = Word Count." I've had to reel in so many players as a GM because they just get lost in their own sauce and filibuster while RPing some Charm or Deception check, just going on and on and on like it's Night at the Improv. And while sure it's fun, I'm looking at the clock and crunching numbers in my head to see if we can even make it through that planned encounter I had set up at this point because we've got a hard cutoff time of 10:30 and The Face just won't. stop. talking. And what are you gonna do as a GM? Tell them they need to stop doing the one thing their character is built around while they're smiling and cracking themselves up? No, you'd be the jerk in that case. But then it gets late and oops. We ran out of time. Guess the encounter has to wait for next week, which seriously throws off all my planning as a GM. But you still can't say anything. I have been there so many times. So I don't know, that part kind of stuck out as a potential issue. I'm not saying OP was one of those people (although the long-winded nature of the post kind of supports that theory), but I do hope that they did some self reflection and made sure that they weren't constantly putting on a one-person play while everyone else is waiting their turn to do something.

[@stevenschnepp576]

That's what I was thinking, too.

[@irkalla100]

Hey! Thanks for reminding me to pick up the Heretic+Hexen collection while it's still on sale 😂 for real, bought it while listening.

[@karcistthurgy3025]

I wonder if this person knows that Rowland Rat was a famous puppet character in the UK during the 80s

[@WladcaPodziemia]

Two stories about bards First story is told by the bard and present bards in good light Second story is told about the bard and present bards in bad light

[@DnDDoge]

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be. - Gandalf

[@Nesseight]

This rogue ticks me off and I would look at him squint eyed.

[@chaoticevilspacewitch]

If you like tabletop gaming and rolling dice but hate roleplaying, there's this game called "Warhammer" you should check out...

[@IronicCliche]

So bard created a character that made one of the other players feel unengaged in RP and he turned to power gaming. Then you gave him something half way fun to do but kept him under leveled and then kicked him for trying to engage in any firm of RP. Pretty sure rogue was never the problem.

[@janski8029]

The DM should totally stop describing anything to the Rogue. Since rp clearly doesnt matter. Just suddenly ask as the party is walking does a 32 hit. When he asks whats attacking. "Oh just a tarrasque. I didnt feel like i needed to rp it walking toward the party." (Just to clarify. This was a joke)

[@foenrik8941]

Pet the kitty!

[@axelwulf6220]

"Just go play a video game" *_THAT'S WHAT I SAID!!_*

[@CrystalSanchez094]

the story where the power gamer hated roleplay shouldn't be in an TTRPG in the First place because in TTRPG games roleplay is basically what TTRPG IS

[@PaladinGear15]

Why do people like the Rogue exist, he doesn't care about RP at all, but hates the way the bard's RPing because his character is reading instead of singing. I hate when players get antsy when your character doesn't look exactly like the character on the class's section of the PHB.

[@alicemilton8756]

Every time the narrator lists f the party members I want to make a character and play

[@avithefreak1250]

I personally wouldn't mind Yugioh duels be a part of a dnd campaign. Two games i like at the same time? Hell Yeah. Though it would have to be ok with the whole party beforehand.

[@KertaDrake]

Considering how much the guy skipped out on RP and spent time as an animal in a cage... I'd start taking way EXP... After all, he's letting his skills at everything but being an animal lapse through lack of motivation and effort!

[@sagekoh3158]

“Gameplay was good. Didn’t like waiting on cutscenes. Guy with beard was cool but who was he? 5/10 game” - Roland the delusional after playing The Witcher. Probably

[@arcanetrueblood9790]

I for one really like the story book bard

[@Currin4]

Story one, the moment my book got burned, I’d be out as a player. As we say, no dnd is better than bad dnd. It’s a team game, unless you have some specific and interesting reason to not be part of the team, you are probably just ruining someone else’s entire evening.

[@windyface9383]

My current bard is a politician/diplomat type who would NEVER debase herself with the stereotypical bard shennanigans! People can pine after her from afar. I don't get the hate for 4e. It's a fine game, just not a fine DnD game

[@stevenschnepp576]

You must have missed the marketing, then. WotC outright insulted its fanbase.

[@DarkWarchieff]

Jeff!

[@TigerKirby215]

God forbid that you roleplay in a roleplaying game.

[@wagz781]

I'm still convinced bard shouldn't be a class. Not for any memes or poor reputation reasons. It's just that it's a proffession not a class or archetype. It's equally accurate to say a fighter, rogue, wizard, or any other class with the entertainer background is just as much a bard as the bard class. Just different flavors of bard.

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

I can see your point but Wizards are also professions. If we went down this route, then we could easily cut down the classes to Fighter, Cleric, Naturalist, Intellectual, Warlock, Sorcerer - with Druids and Rangers both being subgroups of "Naturalist" and the Wizard, Artificer, and Bard becoming a subset of "Intellectual". Or something like that.

[@wagz781]

@@MrJoeyWheeler something I'd go on record as stating I would prefer, personally. Though if we continue down extremes we'll wind up back at fighter, rogue, cleric, and mage again.

[@Darkman9000]

Now, Mr. Mumm E, if you could show the court where on this doll that the bard touched you

[@Israfel36]

I'm a bit confused - why did they kick him? The moment they had was awesome and they kick him instead of turning it into a learning moment? DM should've stopped him before he fought and gave him the conscious choice: RP your way out or fight. Either way they have a great opportunity to RP from that point. So they get the opportunity to get what they want and they decide it's too much work to teach a person to RP so kick him out? Then he's what- surprised that the group Rogue is DMing is having a bad time? Of course they are, how can you possibly be surprised. This is on them, too, as much as it is the Rogue because of the actions at the end in my opinion.

[@Thedragonlover95]

Who seriously joins a DnD game, and didn't think there would be RP? If its not for you, then go somewhere else.

[@reesescup69]

Woot first comment. First time

[@ChaosCounseling]

Am I the only who’s noticed people who start with 3.5 or earlier have these preconceived notions about what classes should be and can’t think outside the box at all. (Note I learned with 3.5 so I know it’s not a universal truth.)

[@connordempsey5129]

100% agree . I need to in my ttrpgs. I mean it is in the game of the game.

[@ChaosCounseling]

It’s funny. When I first learned d&d I was taught 3.5 and everyone said bards were the worst class in the edition.(don’t know if that’s true or not never played with one). But now much different story.

[@dude8351]

They're pretty bad if played as the only class of the character, but it really depends on the powerlevel and type of campaign. While pretty bad, they still have good and interesting prestige classes (of which i can't remember the english name 'cause i'm italian) and some "get out of jail free cards" like suggestion or glibness (a flat +30 to Bluff) I won't enter into roleplay territory because i think you can find fun even playing a commoner if you have the right mindset and a good DM TLDR: 3.5 Bard is bad but cool, can become very good if built correctly

[@stevenschnepp576]

It's not. Single-class bards are fairly competent. Monk and samurai are bad, but bards are pretty competent. Not as good in specialties as others, but good for a support role.

[@SquirrelGamez]

Hates Roleplay. Plays Roleplaying Game. Uh-huh...

[@DespairDoctor]

Lucky has a cute voice

[@bonniegomez5333]

Isn't a bards whole purpose telling tales through orally? If the guy wants to be a dick about it why isn't he trying to force every bard to do spoken poetry and epics since that is more aligned with what a bard is. A bard could be a puppeteer honestly

[@TaoScribble]

If you just wanna roll dice, why not play a board game?

[@DarkSageWalker]

So, if you have a TTRPG and you remove the RP from it, then you are left with a TTG? It seems to me that what this player wanted was to play fucking Chess then. Makes sense considering his hatred of anything not "Mechanically relevant."

[@britnicox3929]

How can you be upset about role-playing when it’s literally in the title of the type of freaking game they’re playing?? What does he think the RP in TTRPG stands for otherwise???

[@LEGIOXIII13]

Double kiddeh = double like.

[@sandpiperr]

If you're only interested in fights and levelling up, just play a videogame!

[@notoriouswhitemoth]

Vicious mockery, cutting word, power word stun, power word kill - yes a lore bard absolutely can talk someone to death! Also, lore bards are a magic-focused subclass, getting extra arcane secrets at level 6, making for some of the most versatile casters in the game, and the phb says bards "can" use musical instruments as a spellcasting focus, it doesn't say they "must" or "may only" use a musical instrument. Per RAW, a wizard's spellbook isn't even a spellcasting focus! On the rogue saying rp is "mechanically irrelevant", go play Warhammer Fantasy. If you're keeping score in D&D, you're missing the point of the game. To say that rp is mechanically irrelevant in 5e D&D is factually incorrect, given that expressing your character’s personality traits is, per RAW, how you gain inspiration. There's not necessarily anything wrong with playing a thirsty bard, they can be fun characters! I've been playing a bard for more than a year going through a coming-of-age narrative, and exploring her sexuality is an important part of that. That said, sexual assault isn't a personality.

[@ryanrizzo4869]

The game you're playing looks hella familiar! What is it?

[@slagarcrue85]

Sing my cat trio singing for daddy dogge. Sing my angels of music. Warning the falling film quote lash lyricks may possible have implied not safe for work hidden sexually sub text. Under 21 red at your own risk. all right let’s make music together let’s make sweet harmony.

[@Chrisheart322]

He's not a real Bard! College of Samoan studies? Give me a break

[@RSJ420]

I myself play neverwinter on consoles. I never have played ttdnd I am interested to try ttdnd but I am not interested in changing my irl voice and talking in a first person perspective like as if I was actually talking as my character because I have bad and anxiety and wanting to play with those that do role play like that. Is there a way for me to do such a thing without being sounding or acting like an @$$. I know some of the basics such as dont bring in game bs into the real world as well as no loan wolf edge lord murmur hobo crap. Ps new fan of dnd doge have been watching for a month or 2 and the more I watch the more I am interested playing ttdnd despite the horror stories and my lack of knowledge when it comes to the game.

[@hemellicht]

what is the game being played on the vid?

[@DnDDoge]

Heretic

[@blesper3415]

While it certainly had problems I much preferred 4E over 3.5. That's not exactly high praise though as I prefer pretty much every ttrpg over 3.5 DnD as I just do not care for it. That might be due to the extreme gaps in character strength and how its' hardcore fans often seem to be powergamers.