Necropolis League is NOT a bad league. Hot Take.

I do not agree with all the videos coming out about how bad the Necropolis league is in Path of Exile. Maybe it is because I am a new player and have so much to still experience. What do y'all think about 3.24 Necropolis league?
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[@shortyforcs]

No one dislikes the league because of the QoL changes added. It comes down to 2 simple factors: The integrity of the economy was fucked up ridiculously early this league with tons of poorly thought out hotfixes/nerfs that prohibited many of the less hardcore (but still not casual) players from even getting to attempt many of the strategies, as well as the league mechanic actually just sucking massive dick to interact with. It simply isn't fun. But it is mandatory, due to its power. A good example of a mechanic that was infinitely more enjoyable to interact with, but still managed to produce items similarly broken are recombinators. They were simple and approachable, had a low opportunity cost to experiment with, and still had the chance to produce something pretty crazy without the need for 3 different external tools, spreadsheets, massive bulk purchases, tons of tiny fragmented purchases (when needed to match up corpse types) etc etc. It's just objectively not good. The only sense of satisfaction you get when you setup a graveyard and it actually hits what you want is that of knowing you don't have to interact with this stupid fucking mechanic again now. But all the QoL shit are huge huge W changes that almost everyone likes, it just doesn't outweigh the bad. I do agree with you though that this is far from the worst league, but you can't fuck up the economy that early on and expect good retention GGG is well aware of that, as chris wilson has made that point on several occasions

[@TheTripleJski]

Couldn't agree more, Sentinel league would be so much fun. I really wish they'd just add it to the base game, even if it has to be rare. If affliction showed us anything...it's that the Sentinel formula just works. And that's just from the in-map perspective. Recombs were so interesting (and yet, somehow less broken than all this necropolis garbage). Here, read this "simplified" chart with corpse names/positions written in hyroglyphics and highlighted with easter egg colors to tell you what 60+ trades you need to make to guarantee a 6link/6 t1 item. Just...not...it. "Simple and approachable"...2 thinks Sentinel was that Necropolis is NOT.

[@totallynottrademarked5279]

Most of the QOL is not even QOL. At least not until they adjust it next league. Sure we got 3 atlas trees but the scarab rework, current league being on the tree, and the fact scarabs stack in the map device. However, all of this came together to make it so you had to hard focus on one league mechanic at a time with a few exceptions. So instead of having an Essence/Harvest tree or Jun/Alva all in one tree like we used to. Then each one has to be separate. Really sucks for SSF. Not to mention a lot of nodes got ripped off the tree and put onto a scarab. Like better rewards from Ritual. It's GGGs mo at this point. Give 1 step of QOL and take two away to make up for it.

[@Shadodeathz]

The biggest issue for me is that the mechanic can't be skipped

[@hawg_tv]

Yes that is annoying, but I’ve just been hitting accept regardless and running without issues really

[@Shadodeathz]

@@hawg_tv I agree that you can just send it each time but it should have just been optional like every other league mechanic ever lol

[@bogwoodmoonrocks9709]

@@Shadodeathz absolutely!

[@profeturulz8373]

If next league the lantern can be enabled from the Atlas tree and has decent rewards everybody is gonna use it and not cry about it like now. Sure in the early game it can create some pain, in the late game it's one more click for extra rewards

[@SlimShady-hk8qp]

Can you just play the standard league if you want to skip the mechanic?

[@KisaJeweler]

For every new player league mechanic is not going to ruin the experience, it's for old players league mechanic can be bad. But for new guys, there is a whole world to explore. It's like for CS players small hole in the wall is huge, but for beginners is nothing. League objectively has issues, u can't skip it, for people on ruthless it's a huge deal, crafting is tedious and u need a lot of space to engage with this mechanic. Economic is dead, because of exploits and insane grave crafting, this affects everybody in the trade league even if u don't engage with league mechanics itself, the league died faster than usual. The patch itself is good, I liked the scarab change, 3 atlas threes. For example as a league mechanic, I think affliction, expeditions or ancestral was a lot more fun than necropolis. For new players, every league going to be perfect, but numbers don't lie.

[@TheTripleJski]

100% correct, Hawg has seen 3 leagues, and if you can't objectively say that this hasn't been the worst in this 3 block, then I think you're having a hard time assessing what makes a league and/or a league mechanic "good". If ONLY for the fact that they completely bricked the economy in a dozen different ways. Like you say, the base game is SO good, that I haven't been a fan of the league mechanic since Sanctum (unfotunately, that was the last league i took off because I was burned out, but i made up for it running Sanctum's nonstop in TOTA league)....and DESPITE that, I've played TONS of these last few leagues, but Necropolis made the choice easy...this was my next anti-burnout league. That decision became easier and easier as the league went on and they ended up fixing exploits that flooded the market with divines (map flipping for seers or divines? take your pick either can make you rich) without effectively removing the fun part and rewards leaving nothing to look forward to the latecomer to such strats. All in all, POE can have 3 or 4 down leagues straight and it would still be the best ARPG on the market by a sizeable amount. That said, I didn't even think it was POSSIBLE for me to take a break and play a little Diablo, but surprisingly that happened (and it's not super horrible). In any case, there was GOING to be a letdown after Afflicition, no matter what the hangover was unavoidable...Necropolis will go down as a top 2 or 3 worst leagues of all time I think...especially when you compare quality delivered compared to expectation levels.

[@younggenin2957]

Made most of my currency from failed grave crafts. On item that I wasn’t even done crafting sold for 200 divs and I had multiple items that sold for 20-30 divs, which paid for the whole craft attempts. Plus profit.

[@kenshinhimura9387]

I thought the Necropolis thing was kinda cool and interesting. At least it's something new that I haven't seen any other game do before.

[@boblogiii8869]

Even a bad league poe is a 9/10 in d4.....

[@outlawz38]

stop lying lmao

[@Shiro_Okami5]

My problems are that the graveyard crafting is annoying and T17 maps are a little overtuned if as GGG stated are supposed to be a bridge between T16s and Uber Bosses. My analogy of the graveyard is its the shitty 9-5 service job that pays a million a month. The allflames are my favorite part the league brought. Controlling what you fight in a map is something I don't think we have ever had to this degree. Making perfect items that (without endless currency) you could only make in PoB is stupid fun. Overall, got my first headhunter and still having fun.

[@mesmercricket6720]

>as GGG stated are supposed to be a bridge between T16s and Uber Bosses Technically they still function as such, if T17s are an ever-extending bridge with Uber Pinnacles being a little island you can stop at on occasion. But it's a shake-up, that much is certain.

[@PPG87]

I agree with this, I'm a brand new player this league. Started SSF and put in 500 hours to understand the game myself didn't follow a build guide which was maybe a mistake but was able to get to T17s I've got like 1000+ chaos 25 exalts and found 8 divines all in ssf so currency seems to be there if you want to go get it

[@thecasualfly]

I decided to take the plunge and hop into poe and really give it my full attention... well I was off Monday.. had 3 days off for normal weekend and was sick Friday.... and lets just say I put about 50 hours in the last few days.. why have i held off for so long.. wtf

[@BeazyFaSho]

Ive made more divines this league than any other league ive played before. Im still having a blast with righteous fire. Preach brother.

[@Marcos-xNoita]

I actually liked the league alot, loved planning and executing the gravyard. The part I did not like was buying the corpses... If we had an action house for that, the gravyard would be really good imo. I think this could've been one of the best leagues of all time. All the problems that it had was little details... sad but whatever... I still had a lot of fun... And yeah those content creators farming views on negativiti also makes me really mad wtf...

[@deathby1hpgaming485]

What really sucked about the league is they were ontop of nerfing farming strats(Middle of the league Which ggg really hasn't done since Delirium league), and that alone killed it for me by the time I was in maps they nuked the anarchy allflames, and every subsequent strong all flame interaction just got nuked so alot of players including me just said fuck it I won't play, also t17s ruined the t16 mapping for myself as why would I do a t16 when I can do a t17 and the poe I like is in t16s not t17s which are strictly better and has MORE multipliers to loot example 100% more Currency, Maps, and Scarabs that alone means you are wasting your time in t16s even with t17s dropping in them, Also sextants added so much to the game than I think the player base initially realized before this patch and would probably beg to be rolling sextants again, sextants were the fine tunning your strategy needed in the endgame, but you would be missing out by not using sextants before for sure.

[@BuzzaB77]

I'm enjoying the league, but I'm the type that never has the time to get to Ubers. The game is in a good base state, if you exclude T17 maps. I didn't appreciate the forced league lantern in every area, and grave crafts are underwhelming vs time of set up but I'm still having fun. I was worried after last league that we would be mega-poor by comparison and feel bad, but that didn't happen and in fact I'm some how richer than last league ( I'm not a big trader & no I didn't use any degenerate techniques) . I'm playing Palestrons Mana Stacking Ice Nova of Frostbolts and its the first time I've had 10mil+ damage on a total budget. Having a great time.

[@MGMarkov]

I think that this is a horrible league actually. I have been playing this game for 6 years and also played during the beta, I have never seen POE in such a sorry state. I honestly believe one more league like that and POE will be less played than LE

[@kerchstval8916]

Its my fav league ive made more divines more characters n the necro craft saved me so much curreny its longest league ive played!

[@doombeak2517]

I skipped the league to play V Rising and I got lucky that the league sh1t the bed. Still a huge Poe fan

[@epyjacek]

I think people were not really motivated with the actual mechanic and lost interest when GGG fixed a few broken interactions. We're definitely spoiled hahaha.

[@realneighborhoodP]

Remember when D4 was new, and you didn't level up as fast as the pros? For a couple weeks all you did was post videos like this, where you called everybody who thought the game had problems crybabies. As soon as you got to the point in the game they were, you changed your tune and became the D4 bad Champion. I guess you didn't learn anything from back then because you're stuck in the same loop. You're playing the game (POE) at a far lower level than the people who complained about the league and so you don't understand what their complaints are based on. Additionally, you never represent their arguments accurately -- you misrepresent the valid complaints completely and just write them off as "crying" "bitching" etc. If you're going to make these kinds of videos, you owe it to your audience and your "opponents" to do a small amount of actual research and with that try to actually understand the nature of the complaint, rather than paint your opposition with an inaccurate and wholly negative light: that's how children argue.

[@hawg_tv]

No actually I posted all those videos BEFORE the game was launched. I told everyone to WAIT FOR CRITICISM because we hadn’t played the game. Hense why I made videos telling other people to shut up about the negative talk because we hadn’t played it! Same thing holds true for this. Don’t twist my words or try to rewrite history. I started crying about Diablo 4 AFTER launch. I don’t owe anyone anything. This is a KZbin channel and I share my opinion. I very clearly stated I was a new player and my opinion doesn’t hold much water. One thing I have understood is there are people in the gaming community that will NEVER be happy, especially when something is announced they don’t like. They will be as obtuse as you perceive me to be, which majority of the complaints are just that.

[@pepperonipony1751]

best take on poe expansions in general I've heard in a long time

[@RamzaBehoulve]

Well, previous league was one of the best, if not the best in the last few years. Then we got Necropolis... yeah maybe some are overreacting and the rewards can be good, but personally a few good rewards won't offset the horrible cemetary interface/mechanic and the forced league mechanic on maps.

[@joshsteiner5736]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this. I'm also new but I call it as I see it and have been bashed for some of my comments. Gamers in general just like to complain about everything now days. The games free man. Has seasonal updates I mean shit sometimes stuffs gana be a bit lack luster yeah, but not enough to just shit on the game. Also grave crafting is great. Tedious? Sure. IDK if people are doing it right you don't need 80 corpses to make bad ass items. You can litterally use 2 item level corpses(assuming you used a lvl 83 corpse at least once during that craft) and use only 2 corpses for each mod your wanting like elemental lightning cold fire, and the scarcer part again use 2. Using 4nof each is slightly better but. I've been printing divines this way it's a 90% chance to get gg items. I just made a bad ass base for a flicker build. I still have to craft aspect of the cat but it's amazing that I have a lvl 85 base with 6 good mods. Just gata take off a suffix and it becomes a 50 divine ring.... You do need 12-18 +50 tier modifier corpses though sadly if you want GUARANTEED tier 1 stats

[@BigJasonWebb]

You have fundamentally misunderstood why people are frustrated with this league. I am glad you had fun, but judging by the retention numbers, your experience was not typical. I dropped a mage blood and yet still stopped playing more or less because the mechanic is so clunky and in the way.

[@doombeak2517]

Totally agree … Those first 3 or 4 leagues are magical. Those of us who have years in know a bad league when we see one. I think Poe is in a decent state overall and d4 bad. But everyone I know that plays either skipped or pulled out already.

[@hawg_tv]

I’m sure I did. I’m pretty dumb

[@BigJasonWebb]

@@hawg_tv I don’t think you are dumb at all. In fact I made most of the money I did this league from your helpful videos. Just wanted to give you some feedback. Please do keep up the great work.

[@mtbmbtmmlp9993]

The fact of the matter is that you get a bit too much of sweeping changes and not all of them will interact in a nicely balanced manner with GGG, and that is preferable, because from what I've seen from other games ( not ARPG specific) most dev studios are cowards and play it too safe and do too little. League has issues, no question about it, but the only thing that was a bit too much is the combo of t17+ unskipable league mechanic at league start, the rest is not really an issue imo.

[@JsJustace]

Necropolis is 2nd only to harvest in my 5 children dad gamer opinion. First HH ever this league been playing since open beta before act 3 existed. Mana stacking is glorious

[@totallynottrademarked5279]

Oh my sweet summer child. You were not around for the real summers and were only born into winter. You can not know its warm embrace. Also I don't give a fuck what the graveyard can do. As it killed the economy. If you can fracture T1 4 mods you want then it takes far less crafting mats to finish the item. I care more about the economy then how fast I can make a bis item. While also not wanting the league mechanic completely invalidate all other crafting methods. Crafting leagues only work when they add a line item. Like crucible trees, synth implicits, etc. Not churn out T1 bis items at the drop of a hat.

[@hawg_tv]

i aint no summer child

[@Da_Schwartz]

I am a new player and did not like this league. I started 2 seasons ago. Just the amount of storage need for coffins is to much. Also, I am not a fan needing to use a 3rd party website to get some idea on how to create items.

[@andrewmccune2895]

This league was pretty solid, its just the Divine chasers that are really upset. They let currency decide their levels of fun, its kind of sad. T17's were def. a mistake in this form, but with tuning can probably be solid. People complaining about graveyard crafting are cooked, you can make STUPID items in there pretty easily....though storing the corpses was a little tedious. People are just entitled & love to complain.

[@TheTripleJski]

All exploits/bugs are not equal. Messing up items with .000000001% drop rate for 24 hours and making them .00001% drop rate so SOMEONE finally gets one is NOT the same as allowing people to fish for maps covered in divines. One does almost nothing, the other literally ruins a game's economy for 3-4 months. Speaking as a POE die-hard, the QOL is mostly positive (left click automation being changed wasn't neceassary, but no big deal), but the league IS that bad...compared to other POE leagues. It's not just content creators leaaving, it was lower player retention than any other league and all while people were willing to come and get on the hype train headed to POE2, but they flubbed this one a bit...which makes it only the best ARPG on the market by a mile, instead of a dozen miles. If the league were GOOD, t17s wouldn't be selling for a div per.

[@patrickroos7270]

Base game got some real sweet qol but the new tier map I dont know about people say that it is harder than the uber bosses but they are suppose to be the build up towards the bosses. If that is truelly true, as I cant beat tier 17 maps, that is the wrong way around uber bosses should be harder than tier 17 but it is kinda whatever it isnt part of the league mechanic therefor if it isnt balanced it will get balanced at some point. The league mechanics currently isnt as good as witchwood was and I think people have a another moment good league mechanic with 1 that isnt as hype, cool or make insane drops from it. Their brains havent reset from how insane drops gotten from last league. Only thing that I struggle with about the league mechanic is that it is always on which is something we havent seen happen like this. Every other league mechanic before was ignorable in some way or form. Still with that said I have gotten enough enjoyment out of this league and gotten stuff that I normally never gotten. Poe is good in improving base the game to be better and this league that shines for some1 like me atleast and kinda wished more people saw it that way.

[@kizzagaming6523]

Ideas good, however, implementation bloated, time wastey, micromanagey and overall just bad. People talking about making more divines this league, that's great. But that's directly correlated to price of items, number of players, good for entry level builds and some other things, bad for everything else. If you're having fun that's awesome, I am still playing myself but felt burned out about a week ago, just setting up the Necropolis stuff each time is a real pain, especially if it fails. Edit : Oh also, the amount of QOL things was also pretty fantastic.

[@kekplexis]

The league is genuinely good, but T17 maps are really insanely hard. They're meant to be a stepping stone between T16 and ubers, but they're definitely not

[@l0gas495]

You are still in the honeymoon phase where the game at its core is just so fun that the league mechanic does not really matter. You havent experienced many leagues either so you cant really judge where this league ranks among them tbh. I would say that necropolis was rather mediocre compared to like sentinel, harvest or sanctum

[@flaxenwall9840]

I agree this league is pretty good, im still playing it. That said i play hc and t-17s are toxic. I understand ben wants something hard to do but it completely bricks aspirational content for regular people in hc. The worst part about it is imagine youre playing hcssf and you love playing melee. All of your uniques are on the uber versions of the boss now and you have to make a pretty insane build to do t17s and thats not going to be a melee in hcssf so you have to farm uber shaper, uber sirus, uber uber elder just to be able to play a crappy melee build. League is good.

[@Kevfactor]

it's actually my best league. First itme i got 4 voidstones and 5 map. I would have played it longer and roll a new character but I didn't want to go through the campaign again

[@GhostPepper233]

I thought this was a video on POE but it turned out to be a sequel, "Clueless 2".

[@hawg_tv]

How about sharing your experience with it instead of being a dick.

[@GhostPepper233]

@@hawg_tv So your a hypocrite now. Just back on May 26, 2024, you were crying about D4 and how bad and how you hate it. So why don't you just suck it up and play D4 and ignore all the bad stuff about it. But now, your talking trash about POE players who said Necro league is bad and that they just need to get over it and play the game cause that the way it is. But in the end it is your opinion on Necro 3.24, just like it is others opinion that the league is bad, so don,t trash talk them and then not be able to take the return trash talk. The salt will flow.

[@hawg_tv]

@@GhostPepper233 tldr

[@GhostPepper233]

@hawg_tv I can have a book printed up with pop-up pictures if you like? Or like a book on audio?

[@mattthompson3653]

I'm a filthy casual. I only get 1-2 hours a day cause of work, little more on Sunday. I have farmed more divines this league than any other EVER. I'm up 43 div and around 400 chaos. He is right. If you are poor it's your fault.

[@JasonJanzen-w5n]

It's ok for beginners that don't know how to craft but most of us just want currency no one get anywhere being poor

[@Senettino]

Totally agree in every words you said

[@saltysaurus]

D4 slaps rn, and I was trashing it for 3 seasons. The loot is so much better.

[@shayaharonson9634]

The loot is still trash it’s just less cluttered trash. Still boring trash.

[@BrennanFalknerDev]

The league isn't terrible but it's by no stretch good. Every league dies after 2 months.

[@dogg92]

You still play this game? But didnt you hear that D4 is mid now?

[@seanmarsella3071]

It went from bad to mid-bad.

[@Kevfactor]

It's a lot like Last Epoch now. It's fun to level to 80 to 100 but it's not worth sticking around for D3 rifts for the loot chase. There is no challenge in the game either until you get to like NM 80 hehe

[@hawg_tv]

I started the d4mid phrase 5 months ago I’m good 😂

[@dogg92]

@@hawg_tv 😂

[@heronplayer8419]

most conplains come from changes too the progess but the game got better in a lot of ways

[@anthonybutlergam3k3y_twitch]

I wish I had the time to play but I just won't be able to enjoy the game like everyone else. #ForeverPoor

[@DannyRhym3z]

I enjoy the league too. Its not intrusive, adds a few things, not a big deal

[@str8totehtop]

bro is spittin'

[@arcc4]

It's not really a hot take TBH. What is happening is basically a form of the boiling frog syndrome from players who've been chaining leagues for a long time and finally hit a burnout. This usually happens when there is some kind of deceleration within the game's character power, flow of play, or rate of rewards. A brand new player, someone who only has a few leagues under their belt, or people coming back from breaks don't feel it much or at all and so they don't have the same complaints. I experienced this when I came back after playing Classic WoW. I missed about 5 leagues and started playing again back during Expedition. For many the overhauls, nerfs, and league mechanic were not very popular, but for me I had an absolute blast playing catch up and amazed at how much the game had grown because I wasn't comparing it to anything recent. The long term players felt like they just went from 1000mph to 700mph while I felt like I just went from 300mph to 700mph.

[@kizzagaming6523]

I was about to disagree with you, but I actually mostly think you're spot on. The only thing I would say as a counter argument is that this has been the lowest amount of player retention ever seen in POE. That is usually a direct reflection of the general players thoughts on a league or feel. It hasn't been great, I think IF the mechanic was a lot more watered down and less micromanagement required to sell or use coffins and they didn't obstruct your view trying to grab loot when u want to ignore and those sorts of things, it might have ended up being received much much better. OR the exploits and abused farming strategies that happened, fomo is a real thing in an ARPG economy and can also veer people away from the game.

[@arcc4]

@@kizzagaming6523 Yeah, I'm not saying there aren't sometimes design flaws or issues within the league itself that triggers the off-boarding. Only that its a relative effect. Like if I hypothetically time traveled to bring 2020 PoE players to the present to play Necropolis would they think its a bad league? Probably not because it would be the first introduction to a lot of new content, systems, and overhauls.

[@gregriessland1552]

I am enjoying, but I am pretty simple.

[@SoullessEyesPanda]

amen to that people need to chill out

[@bejitasansensei]

Yup fuck graveyard.

[@dIggl3r]

Oh it IS bad to me, yet I still play (I'm not gonna start playing D4, hell no).

[@hawg_tv]

Tell me why my man! I’m curious!

[@dIggl3r]

@@hawg_tv Well I'm a huge arpg player; unless I play Last Epoch or start learning a new game like Undecember, then I just stay with what I know and usually love = POE. I don't do the league mechanic at all in this one, I just play the "basic" game I guess you could say.

[@robertjames6936]

This league mechanic is boring and annoying to interact with imo. Basically any combat league would be more fun than this.

[@MrRafagigapr]

they did not have a different source of borrowed power that was good enough , that is normally the best source of different builds , like last league charms allowed some cool stuff , this league has the exact problem that scourge had , the league specific mod pool was not good enough , the haunted modifiers are just meh , remember scourge +16% armour -12% cold resistance items lmao

[@hawg_tv]

Ahhh interesting! This is why I like hearing the experienced players input.

[@brianaiken3917]

To be fair, you've played two leagues

[@hawg_tv]

to be fair, I said that. I said my view would be different as I was a new player. Legit stated that in the video.

[@DarkepyonX]

Hawg you are a PoE noob, but that's not a bad thing , 9 in 10 longer term players quit and quit early . Your analogies do not apply to veterans . Reddit is a worthless source of info , everything posted there is already on 1000 discords first . Streamers don't matter to game population period , they are NOT an indication of anything. League of Legends has 100 million+ daily players and majority of LoL channels and streams are tiny. Streamers by and large are the internet migrant farmworkers , instead of spending millions on an ad advertisement campaign, they pay some shlub a few 100 bucks . Dr Disrespectinminors was getting around 2 million a year , which saved company around 350 million in advertising. Thats the truth of sponsored streamers , you are being ripped off for slave labor , they easily can pay 5x more and it not affect the bottom line. Another example is product sponsorship, hear of any streamers getting millions to promote hardware ? No they get a tiny stipend when an athlete or any REAL sponsorship is worth millions a year to do same exact thing ,sport a product and praise it , a NASCAR sticker people likely won't see pays better too . Streamers are an exploitable asset in industry, not an indication of ANYTHING, nor is twitch or steam counts except for poe which is 90%+ steam users . Also this league cost GGG/Tencent alot of money . Every league adds to costs , very simple the bigger the game the more costly it gets so most days of this league with everyone gone costing money and don't forget they have a Chinese server and GGG statement about servers being cheap is bs 😂 This league was bad period there is no upside , cost them a ton of money to develop and upkeep. If you consider Tencent has closed games with far bigger than PoE for not making enough money and they own Grinding Gear Games 100% if PoE2 doesn't do amazing there is a VERY GOOD chance Tencent closes company to save themselves money . According to NZ law the entire company was signed over to china 😂 Sorry this one got wordy 😂 more stuff popped in as writing I did chop 12 paragraphs off 😂

[@hawg_tv]

@@DarkepyonX well good thing is this new league is fun as fuck!

[@15kalas15]

Its good, but it ain't gooooooooooooooooood.

[@WatchingFromWork6636]

I think the concept that the graveyard is tedious but it can be badass is a bit of an understatement. It’s beyond tedious, and unless you treat it like a job it’s useless. The lantern, yes we can’t skip it. We know that, it beyond sucks. Nuff said on that. This league might not be the worst ever, but it’s in the running. The league was a fail and all the talking isn’t going to fix that.

[@yeahright420]

If you quit because you couldn't cheat than you shouldn't even play the game to begin with what's the point.

[@shayaharonson9634]

What lol

[@Balthuzar]

"Took a week break to clear my head" AKA - Played S4 Diablo :D

[@frankvenero7137]

I bet you had fun.

[@hawg_tv]

Nah that was 3 weeks ago. I took a break to play 7 days to die.

[@TirpitzLuminare]

This isn't a hot take, you're just spitting facts. Problem is people enjoy complaining about everything. It's just too easy to farm clicks with vitriol. I guess you gotta do, what you gotta do to be a content creator, but I generally pass on those videos. While I may be done with the league for the most part, but I played a lot longer than I generally do. So much QoL this patch. Yeah, the GY sucks to interact with, but it's OP AF. I actually love the All Flame system, it's so damn good you guys... Closed beta player here, and for me, this league was a blast.

[@profeturulz8373]

Hope the lantern comes in 3.25 enabled from the Atlas. Adding your own packs with specific rewards to a map is such a cool idea

[@TirpitzLuminare]

@@profeturulz8373 As someone who made over 200 Div just doing Delve, I love, love, love the Lantern and All Flame system. I could Delve all day everyday if I wanted to. Just pop a single map in to refuel.

[@ILikeGuns1992]

Who said that Necropolis has no positive aspects? Problem is positives are not nearly enough to upset it's shortcomings. Sure, allflames are awesome and getting good devoted mods is awesome, but shortcomings are so much more impactful. That Macdonalds argument is awful. Not only you are wrong when it comes to comparision itself, because chances are they will serve you better or at least comparable burger there. PoE isn't a game it's stupid to compare game to a real life. Graveyard crafting could be designed so much better - literally double the power of all crafts, reduce number of graves by 2 and massively increase storage. That's already so much better. Adapt and overcome? Again, we are talking about a game. Why would people want to overcome new annoyings things in game? Games are to have fun lmao. We already have a lot of friction in PoE. Necropolis is not just a bad League, it is one of the worst Leagues so far. And also it's just boring - unless you put in flames it adds nothing and even then it's just mobs from previous Leagues, it has no gameplay mechanics outside of extremely tedious crafting. Nope, not every ARPG economy is messed up every time. And also scale is different. Shit hit the fan in Necropolis, just like it did in Affliction, but GGG didn't fixed anything in Affliction while "fixing" something pretty much every day. You are farming something or thinking about farming it and next day it got nuked lmao. It was real clown fiesta when it comes to bugs, abuses and constant nerfs/fixes. A lot of flawed logic in the video. You also misunderstood a lot of things. Main complaints about t17s is not that they are hard it's the way it is achieved thanks to mods that disable shit - these are awful Some are just annoying. T17s are not hard if you roll them well and rolling them you need. I can write massive comment but ultimately it's just pointless. Also they invalidate most strategies because farming pretty much everything is better in t17s than in t16s. Actually not a good look man, even to the point of seeming ignorant / manipulative, because you misrepreseted so many issues. I can provide more info and debate with you over voice chat in discord if you want. Probably not gonna type much. That's not a good format for me.

[@Floar]

Grave crafting is horrible. Made endgame crafting too easy. Printing 6x t1s like newspaper to the point that farming anything else than corpses worthless. All rares can just be hidden and just gravecraft. But allflames and the lantern are awesome.

[@Antiquated-Ether]

It needs to be less tedious so you have time to try multiple builds

[@giceism2832]

League is trash ur gone Hawg

[@hawg_tv]

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[@sf5028]

This league is objectively at least mid. Anyone saying it’s bad clearly didn’t play Kalandra: the lakes had cancerous layouts (like worse than Maze map with all the snaking paths, invisible obstacles and ledges, and backtracking), brutally overtuned difficulty, and zero rewards. Necropolis is amazing by comparison, even if you only ran maps and bought the gg items other ppl crafted in the graveyard.

[@locmorningstar2740]

So you mean there can only be 1 bad league ? This league and kalandra are on pair no doubt.

[@sf5028]

Not saying that, just that there are degrees and “bad” is a relative comparison. Necropolis is far from the best league but it is miles better than kalandra imo so that makes it at least mid. Even if you ignore corpses and graveyard it’s just free extra loot in your maps and a bunch of gg crafted items in the economy for you to buy. Kalandra was dogshit with no upside. But to each their own I guess.

[@ferinzz]

I like that they had the balls to make the league mechanic unavoidable. I often just do a mechanic for a bit and then don't engage much. this one feels pretty good. A bit strong sometimes, but overall more rewarding than when they introduced stuff like strongboxes and shrines.

[@felipefaturi5082]

Im also relatively new for PoE standards (1.3k hours). I think ppl always wanna find reasons to complain about eveything. I do agree with the points ppl bring up but i dont think they make the league bad. Also the price of uniques crashing I just think its bad because I would like to farm uniques for money cuz I like seeing the items drop, but on the other hand, the fact that for 5 div you can get to experience the absolute craziness of equipping a HH is pretty dope! Plus, GGG shows a lot of ballZ by experiment so much with the late game this league, and all this experimentations will translate to really cool future leagues!

[@daniellee8214]

Hell yeah, I'm with you on this one Hawg. I'm also a new player, played around ~1000 hrs since January and Affliction was my first experience with the game, so I'll be the first to say I don't understand all the ins and outs for what makes a league good and what makes a league bad With that being said, I can say I have had a blast this league. Found a fun build (CoC DD, thanks Ventrua and whoever built the original), blasted T16s and Ubers for the first time, completed all T17 maps, and just experienced a lot of content that i didn't get to last time. Shaper and Uber Elder was awesome, Sirus pissed me off until I found out how to avoid the die beam, and just tons of other stuff. I love the graveyard, even though it is tedious and I need so many quad tabs for the coffins lol. I've crafted some really nice gear there, because it's easier to do that than to know all the intricacies of crafting it the old fashioned way. Allflames have been great for getting splinters to the secret areas, and catalysts, and all of the other stuff Allflames come in handy for. I've made a lot of currency. I've made a lot of sells to other players. Yeah it's just been a dope league. I admit I'm bitter I didn't get to exploit the currency farms early on, but I didn't let it ruin the fun I was having. I just grinded more and got what I needed, didn't really care if it took me more time, because I enjoy being in the world. Good vid Hawg, thanks for speaking out.

[@TheDuskpaladin]

not trying to argue or anything, just correcting some information about past leagues u stated. in Lake of Kalandra, people where complaining about Arch-Nemesis mods mostly, and to a lesser extent, GGG fumbled the bag when communicating a rework to how loot drop calculations work for league monsters. Also, this isnt the first time in the game we could produce multi fractured items, during sentinel league, we could use recombinators to achieve similar results, and we could achieve much more OP items with them as well (like several atzoatle temple mods on one item and all of em fractured as well).

[@toxicdeath7929]

I wouldn't say its the worst league ever but comparing just the league mechanic (which is what the league is, if we're judging the base game we're talking about standard) to other mechanics i have seen since i started playing in 3.9 its one of the worse mechanics. The quality of league mechanics overall dropped a lot after 3.15 but this league isn't just a boring skip in every map league, it has a lot of problems and it cannot be skipped. It does give decent currency and player power but so did a lot of other leagues and a lot of them did atleast one of those things better imo. You're a new player so you can't really compare league mechanics from experience and this is just my look on this topic as someone that collected 4.5k hours in the past 4 years

[@arisezblood6156]

It is a league that gives players who take advantage of the game a lot of opportunities to make a profit. I am is old player, i starting from1.1 Sacrifice of the Vaal league , I agree with you that this league is worth playing. Sorry, I'm not very good at English.

[@utmastuh]

It was a swing and a miss. Especially after the power and loot we got last league. I think PoE swung way too much in the opposite direction. You can't blame the player base (consumer) for not liking something. Companies have to adjust to their audience. They lost players to D4, that's embarrassing

[@Dukefist]

It was an okay perhaps average league - I met my goals and done with it, and I usually meet the goals within 2-3 weeks. Still looking forward to 3.25.

[@isac9448]

its not a bad league honestly

[@nickwong3414]

True league is not bad..to me affliction was..i could nt play in every instance my pc lagged.. This league was fun played a almost low max hit build..and not even having a bid problem

[@nickwong3414]

Btw i looted more than 1k div worth of items xD

[@jplemley8110]

Good chit man got a sub from me

[@derekfogle5706]

Leagues bad man it just is.

[@jaanuskaev6222]

Hell yes yes yes!!!

[@Jarot_TV]

"Necropolis League is NOT a bad league. Hot Take." Bro...... its bad not because people said it, is because MATH said it !! is the worst perfomenance on retaining people playing, that make it the worst league = BAD league, so yea its a bad league

[@pascaltremblay4249]

The thing about math is that there can be more than one way to = lowest playercount. How about the FACT that this league is following affliction? That Is a huge factor. People are burnt out and played less.

[@Jarot_TV]

@@pascaltremblay4249 Burnt out is a variable included already on the other leagues cuz in terms of player retention it counts all at this point, same as past leagues they have people that also were burnt out, so at the end the only data that matters are the actual player base up to this moment in comparison to the other leagues at the same time, and day by day still declining, and you point out a REAL FACT, people play a dammm lot affliction , guess why .... cuz was a really good league, the fact that people just cant even continue playing in this league (necropolis) just tell the obvious ,,,, is a bad league in FACT if this league was good, everyone will still be playing it but the opposite happens

[@Donkempf]

2 league how can you compare any thing ? Clickbait andy...

[@hawg_tv]

you dont know what clickbait is do you?

[@Azusa-dn7mi]

The reason I didn't enjoy this league much is because I think they nerfed the drop rates of basically everything to make room for T17 maps as the new end-game. Ok fine, but then they also made T17 maps WAY over-tuned, to the point that a character who can easily do T16s is getting punked in a T17. So it ended up feeling like a league that was made just for the try-hard types. Yea, the cemetery is basically an in-game spreadsheet and I didn't care for it either, but it's easy enough to avoid. The other changes aren't. Hoping T17 gets put in the rubbish bin at the end of the season, there's basically nothing about the concept I like.

[@aliaksandrzmrocny1888]

As a newish player it's a great one, but at the same time every other league would be, whilst we're learning and don't have years upon years of those to gauge and dissect the wrongs there. Especially when other games aren't up to the quality we're seeing here after ten plus years of active development. It's a miss for long term players, but I don't see it as a loss if the company can learn from mistakes or can defend their greater vision.

[@younggenin2957]

I like the crafting mechanic. But it became more harder to do as the player base decreased. Messaging 15 players for a single corpse made it not fun for me. Earlier in the league I didnt mind as I was making mirror tier items. So I definitely agree that it’s the downside was worth the upside. But the trading man. That did it for me.

[@edvaedan9161]

I picked the wrong season to start playing Poe I guess 😂. The league didn’t really affect me since I’m just learning the game. The coffins were definitely a nuisance and Allflames filled my stash because I was afraid to delete anything unique

[@shane3424]

Last league was loot piniata league. People were spoiled and actually had to earn their way. League mechanic could have been better, but overall an 8/10 with new changes.

[@paul5317]

I'm having lots of fun in SSF, just crafted a great ELE bow ... and I don't have a ranger :)

[@LezArtist5iG]

Most players that are steamers have moved on, to content chase. PoE for me allows an avenue for my creativity. So i still play every day. The adding of mini events would help, but GGG doesn't like to listen to advice. After the wisps from last league and those lootplosions, i'm not surprised the hype has fadded away, faster this league.

[@TalkativeTri]

Wondering if you mention me in this video before watching it. I loved the league but not the mechanics, but I have been repping other’s opinions in my videos to showcase all the sides. Edit: BRO DIDN’T MENTION FARMING VIEWS WHAT. Edit 2: video finished. It sure does sound like you might be referring to me, but only if you looked at my titles, they are a bit grabby but the conclusions we come to are pretty damn similar at some points. Might need to react to this one…

[@rezz5700]

It’s still poe better than D4 bad!! But as a player since 2017 it’s one of the most annoying leagues.