What We Want or Ever After High Rip-Off? | The School for Good and Evil

[@zenriboakwon2921]

The book is much darker than the movie. They cut a lot of Sophie's horrible acts out, changed her characterization as well (and Agatha's because boy is that girl scary sometimes). The books are better and I REALLY want you to read them and compare.

[@AUsefulNPC]

Where can I find them? Sounds interesting

[@zenriboakwon2921]

@@AUsefulNPC I've seen all three in Walmart a few times ($7 each when I last checked).

[@burmble]

So true, i absolutelylove the books. I was disapointed in how much they cut out of the actual school. It also really threw me off that they showed Sophie and Agatha to be,,, actually good friends at the beginning

[@anitanielsen1061]

Yeah, I LOVE the book series, and I CRIED when I lost Book 2😭😭😭😭😭

[@Intoxicatingaxe]

they forgot sophie only became best friends with agatha to start beacuse she wanted to bee seen as a princess, she didnt care about agatha till AFTER they went to school

[@calsbag5264]

in the books there's also a lot more emphasis on why sophie is inherently evil. for one she's just a lot more cruel, callous and manipulative, often using agatha to get what she wants and then casting her aside for tedros. there are a lot more classroom scenes where sophie tries to be good (like when she sings to call animals) but ends up bringing out her natural evil talents, very powerful talents I might add. she's top of her class without even trying to be, which further convinces the faculty that she's supposed to be in evil.

[@miraislam5976]

YES! Even in the beggining she was only using Agatha so she could get into the school of good and seem nice.

[@fruity4820]

I feel like the hair-cutting screen is a bit lack-luster because the whole point is that hair isn't as big of a deal as sophi makes it to be, like everything in external apperence. cutting her hair was one of the things that were done to her in the turchur dungeon, and it's reletivly harmless for a form of turchur, you know? Like, it's not like cutting off someone's hand, it will grow back. But for someone like sophi, who's outside apperence is everything for her, it was the thing that drives her to committing her first murder. The big shock is that she is now doing something unarguably evil, and the fact that she did it over lost hair is very telling of her character

[@jewels2113]

Right and lady lesso didn’t cut her hair in the books, it was the Beast and she killed him after then I think Dot made a comment that someone truly Evil would one day kill that beast

[@TroubledGothMime]

@@fruity4820 and the hair was so pretty after

[@hokes42]

Also, in the books Tedros doesn’t immediatly fall in love with Agatha he slowly falls in love with her and there’s actual chemistry between them.

[@legopandagirl_5813]

I would HIGHLY recommend reading the series. The books are darker and made me cry many a time. They did cut out a lot of Sophie’s moments that foreshadow her “true evil” roots. And they cut out Agatha’s reluctance to be good and didn’t mention most of the bridge science that were personally my favorites. But the movie wasn’t bad. Even if it didn’t follow the plot to a tee it still was that world and those charters. I liked what they did with Raphal marking him more involved. Again it’s so good and I’d recommend reading it.

[@SailorMya]

Yea, there are a few things that were left out that I really think they should have kept and I honestly feel like they could have kept these vital scenes by just making slight changes to existing scenes... I liked the lore of the two children being taken each time and feel like having Sophie "write a letter" instead takes away from the animosity they could have shown with people believing them to be the next ones. (Plus, a big thing in the start of the second book is them "breaking the curse"...) Another is when her hair is cut off and she does her first true evil act... The fact that they made Lady Lesso do it instead really takes from her overall arc...

[@Aisha_Luv]

The only thing i didnt like was the queer baiting.

[@annabohatka8597]

She is right. Read the books. They are amazing!

[@foxtail6600]

And also let's remember that the girls are literally siblings so it makes me really uncomfortable when I see movie watchers ship them haha

[@Aisha_Luv]

@@foxtail6600 but like, why did they make the sisters kiss on the lips thsn??? Like i dont ship it but regardless it seems like queerbaiting.

[@mathildaandersson1341]

18:42 don’t forget the part where the stepsisters had their eyes pecked out by Cinderella’s bird’s at the wedding. And how Snow White forced the evil queen to dance wearing shoes made of red hot iron till she dropped.

[@bookworm0859]

so that's were those shoes are from.

[@mystique9130]

Or the fact Sleeping beauty got impregnated by married king while still in a sleeping curse and left her there but managed to have twins and eventually woke up then the same king saw her and decided to marry her. Then when the little mermaid had her voice taken by cutting her tongue off and drinks a potion with side effects like walking feels like being stabbed with daggers, and having the prince marry another woman, and the only way to save herself is to kill the prince but didn't do so and decides to die there. Alot of messed up moments so far.

[@gabby0961]

I remember from the book that Cinderella's step-mother was axed to death in front of her and her two step-sisters by Prince Charming. Prince Charming did this in order to have Cinderella as his wife. The book series is pretty dark with it having an immortal man seduce a teenager, teenagers have to fight in a war, if the students fail they get turned into trees or other nature stuff, a teenager gets hit on by a king who is old enough to be her dad, one of the girl's mom is a horrible person, a man almost get sexually assault because a woman wanted to be with him, and a civil war happens. I would read the books but keep in mind that it's most likely meant for teenagers who are mature.

[@leewardly]

@@mystique9130 all of the little mermaid stuff except the tongue thing was in movies i grew up with

[@Jaguar470]

Yep!! And all this dark irony is SO present in the actual books. For example, a few of these punishments are present in the book and occur to the characters, this series is based of those original Grimms so that dark tone and fear is present throughout the story but also has a deep beating heart in it, the horrifying nature of the fact that the bottom third ranking students of each school are turned into plants and animals and THOSE are the plants and animals you see in fairytales such as Cinderella’s mice, her carriage, or the beanstalk in Jack and the Beanstalk, etc., or the fact that the citizens of Gavaldon are fully aware of the school and terrified of it because the school master steals two children from their homes every four years never to be seen by their family or parents again, and the parents only see their children again in fairytale stories years later either victorious or dead or tortured, so the parents are terrified of this school and the threat it poses. They took all that dark humor and irony and realistic nature present in this book and the story away from the movie, making it a simple Disney fairytale instead of the truly original Grimms-like fairytale it truly is. And their irony of the “good characters” acting evil is present in the books as well since the good characters act vain and vicious at times, die to the certainty that they will win in their fairytale because they are “good”. it’s honestly legit hilarious how different the movie and books are in both tone and character complexity it honesty make me crack up so much throughout the film lol I loved it because of that! I couldn’t stop laughing 😂

[@SpartanGoaticus]

Ok to explain the reason Sophie’s hair was cut is because it’s often thought of that princesses have long blonde hair, cutting it was like symbolising her being turned evil

[@soop6921]

The on thing Sophie values most is her looks, especially her hair. its what she thinks marks her as good(the fact she looks pretty, and the fact she has "princess like" hair). So cutting it was punishing her, taking away something she cared about deeply

[@nansiipii9018]

No in the book a beast cuts off her hair beacause he wanted to torture her in hwr own way if he hitted her or did something violent ir wouldn't effect so he did that to truely punish her cause she really lives her hair .. the beast did a whole monologue about it

[@cyralamen]

@@nansiipii9018 Yeah and then she like murdered him

[@nansiipii9018]

@@cyralamen yeah and that's was when we found out that sge is truely evil cause before that she just seemed to be toxic and annoying

[@cyralamen]

@@nansiipii9018 Yeah It feels weird to me that it’s never really mentioned again though

[@User47928]

Having read the books and watched the movie: The movie was pretty good in general, but it wasn’t exactly the book. Some concepts were changed, which is understandable because books and movies are very different. Gregor was a completely one off character to get the whole “three fails and something bad happens” across. Overall I liked the movie, but again, it wasn’t the book. Edit: I have started a war.

[@hydrofalls8154]

Personally I don't really mind that it wasn't the book. I mean they did understand the core and I love what they did with Sophie for example. Deciding on a message of good and evil being complicated shown in how Sophie is evil but still the most loyal friend. I am more sad for Hester that kind of lost some of her charm in the process. But still her special talent was amazingly recreated.

[@yosefyonin6824]

"Generally good"? The movie was garbage it completely butchered the book ruined the best characters with shitty actors and woke race swapping

[@DinahInWonderland]

@@yosefyonin6824 ok, ignoring your raging, inexplicable bout of racism on the last line for a sec here, I think @Unknowable meant that it was "generally good" as in "if you watch the movie as someone with 0 knowledge of the books, it is pretty entertaining", not that "it was a masterful depiction of the books". No need to get your racist panties on a twist, dude.

[@trinitygrau4978]

I am kinda confused if the race swapping means they’re cutting out the twist at end of book 3. Cause if they’re not…I’m not sure that’s genetically possible and if there would be a reason Callie’ spell would have made one girl white and one girl black when the spell was just so Vanessa could have a child? 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@orbitwol]

@@trinitygrau4978 they show sophie's mother in brief flashbacks during the movie and she's black/mixed race so i feel like they're still gonna do the twist. it's kind of crazy though that people are willing to suspend their disbelief for all the magic and craziness that happens in this fairy tale world, and won't believe that some dodgy magic twins came out with slightly different skin colors

[@fifi_7356]

As someone who read the books, the ball scene was so disappointing. There were so so many more dark themes in the book. But honestly, what angered me the most was how they cut Agatha's character. Literally made her into a goodie two shoes and took all of her character. The book made me love Agatha and seeing her in the movie is just...meh. Sophie was a lot more complex in the books too. They cut a lot from the books, and somehow I feel like if they didn't have so many fight scenes maybe there would be more place to develop the plot. Overall, the movie was good but the books will forever be better, even if there were some concepts in the movie that I liked.

[@tibbylibby4911]

Facts

[@yourlocaldemon2195]

Exactly! The book did its job however they did not at all do it with Agatha. If we saw her more disheveled, sarcastic, and witty instead of awkward and misunderstood, it would’ve been way more interesting and true to the book.

[@Jaguar470]

@@yourlocaldemon2195es!!!! This is her exactly!! The movie characters are not the characters at all like 😂😂

[@Jaguar470]

Yes exactly! Thank you!!

[@karolinadeptula2009]

it ANGERED me when i saw that they never added in her reluctance to look into mirrors due to insecurity, and the whole part where the fairy godmother tricked her into believing they changed her appearance.

[@themadtaver]

You really should read the books!! They're great! Much darker than the movie and there isn't any "blood magic". Agatha and Sophie friendship isn't as cemented and Sophie only ever began being her friend as a "good deed" to get her into the school for good - Plus Agatha is practically morbid at times. Tedros has more of a build up and him and Agatha actually hate eachother for a long time! There's a thing called the Circus of Talents that was missed in the movie (sadly) and The Trial By Tale was a yearly event; having children die by eachothers hands. One guy actually does, and we see the coven and other characters shine then. Sorry I just love this series!!

[@Jaguar470]

Me too the series is utterly brilliant!!

[@nansiipii9018]

Tristan my poor boy

[@ohhmangos]

Yes!! Sophie and Agatha's friendship doesn't get cemented until MUCH later on in the series, I'd say around book 4 or 5 to be honest. At first they kind of despise each other. The key difference, though, is Agatha still went to help Sophie regardless of her personal feelings, because she is a good person. Sophie was selfish and used Agatha for her own gain. I absolutely adore the books, and while the movie was cute, it definitely was not the books level of incredible!

[@pinkajou656]

They skipped the circus of talents???? (Haven’t watched the movie. Starting to think I won’t.)

[@Jaguar470]

@@ohhmangos Exactly!! Not even close!

[@geardog24]

This movie is everything Descendants should've been, especially the part that revealed that all fairy tale good isn't actually good.

[@saratronus]

But I loved it when it revealed that the villain changed fairy tale good to just be vain 😍

[@nikki_evers]

Anyone else forget how the fairies at the good school and the wolves at the evil school were failed students forced to guard the opposite school they went to? (Wolves were good students and fairies were evil students which explains them being little jerks)

[@saratronus]

@@nikki_evers lol The more I read about what happened in the book the more I wanna buy the book

[@nikki_evers]

@@saratronus you should dude it’s great

[@saratronus]

@@nikki_evers I remember seeing it in the barns and nobles but I didn't have the money to buy it. It wasn't a kid's section I think I'm gonna go back and see if I could find it

[@exist_without_saving]

This book was one of the cornerstones of my childhood (the first one that is. The other ones kinda seemed downhill at least to me, I stopped reading mid-book 3 and from what I've seen about the other ones I'm lucky I did.) But yeah to echo what others have said, the book is way better. It covers Sophie's arc more thoroughly in a way that actually gets you invested, it covers Agatha's pretty much at all (the wish fish is not her only plotline besides taking Sophie home lmao), Tedros is.... Tedros (derogatory), and all the friends they make at school have real personalities and arcs. Their finger magic is actually explained and there's more going on in the world than the schoolmaster drama. As expected for a Netflix adaptation they cut out a lot of dark things pretty much everyone did. They changed relationships too - Agatha and Sophie did Not like each other in the beginning of the book. Agatha wanted to be left alone and Sophie saw "making friends with the witch" as one of her good deeds that would get her into the school for good, nothing more. And I feel like y'all fellow Readers would laugh just as hard as my friends did if you'd been in the room when I yelled "WHY ISN'T THE BLUE FOREST BLUE??" 😂 I would def recommend checking out specifically the first book bc it does have a good isolated story, but any further and continue at your own risk lol.

[@el_seven7]

I was so excited to see the blue forest and then I was just like a little bit of blue fog and I was like "WHAT THE HELL NETFLIX THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SO COOL"

[@bookworm0859]

they did like each other or at lest Agatha did. she put on an act that she didn't like Sophie but she was hurt thinking that Sophie saw her as "just a good deed"

[@MostlyAnimatedSketches]

Honestly yeah, I own 5 of the books, stopped reading at 4, and I really only enjoyed the first three, but I think the first one is easily the most memorable.

[@Ari-6]

I stopped reading after book 2. There were a ton of good moments for the characters in it. Sophie enjoying the worship for how her book ended. Her breaking into the boys school to kill pretty boy. Sophie's 'big changes' in the second half, and going into depth on her feelings about her mother and herself (It was mostly Sophie stuff). But I agree, book 1 just felt like a complete story.

[@konroz]

yes, the first book was the best, the version i have read, has a little comment from the author, the first book had a help from a team, and lots of the boring scenes were deleted, but later on, he was allowed to keep everything and even after the end of 2nd or 3rd book there was attached some text cut out from the first one.. and then i realised, it would be a great story, but the author should be controlled till the last book of the series... i still love the first book, the others are getting worse and worse

[@Callthemstarchild]

Fun fact Sophie’s actress is the OBC version of Lydia from the beetlejuice musical so every time she spoke or went to the evil school all I could see was Lydia from beetlejuice 😭😭😭 Edit: the replies on this comment are how to tell theatre kids from non theatre kids lmao (for those who were not theatre kids in high school OBC stands for original Broadway cast and is a big deal when it comes to popular musicals)

[@banana_ninja9717]

Bestie same

[@platinum_noelle]

I kept seeing Sabrina, since Sophia Anne Caruso also plays her lol i kept accidentally making comparisons between the two in the plot, from Sophie embracing the evil look (like Sabrina finally signing the book at the end of season 1 and having the wardrobe change), to the paralels of Rafal and Lucifer's antics with using her to bring themselves back to power, etc.

[@TehTeh911]

I only watched it once I saw her name and realized it was her and the girl who plays Gina in the High School Musical tv series on D+, which is amazing btw. I got excited thinking there was gonna be singing or dancing. Went into the movie with no knowledge of it other than the description and knowledge of the actresses.

[@trilingual_wannabe]

When I was watching the video, I was like "Isn't that the actress who played Lydia?"

[@chitae8551]

What is obc

[@EL-ql2fc]

I think this might have been better as a TV show. There were themes and ideas that couldnt be explored because of the “short” run time. Idk it might have ended up boring, but it Also might have been great

[@singingofsilver]

That's true, a lot of detail was cut and a lot of really cool foreshadowing.

[@TehTeh911]

I was mostly annoyed that the movie starred two musical powerhouses and had zero singing or dancing. Sophia Anne Caruso playing the first Lydia in Beetlejuice the Musical on Broadway, and Sofia Wylie being Gina in High School Musical The Musical The Series, as well as much more. I'm just sad I didn't get a performance with both of them.

[@avalonsignoraalmas6150]

That really wouldn’t make sense tho because this is based on a book, not a musical. They would have to rework the whole thing and write and choreograph music numbers for it.

[@literalruleslawyer]

well if we get a sequel, the intro to the second book included sophie trying to get everyone to do a musical version of their story from the first book as a vanity project, so maybe we'll see them singing in that.

[@elenafriese891]

I'd generally describe this movie as "wow, for a thing that isn't allowed to swear, it *sure* fit a lot of blood into it!"

[@caitlingill]

There’s is some swearing though like 3 “ass” and one “shit”

[@elenafriese891]

@@caitlingill huh I mostly remember them using "get around actually swearing" phrases

[@Aisha_Luv]

@@elenafriese891 at the end the teacher says "you think i give a shit about smiling?!!!"

[@caitlingill]

@@Aisha_Luv that’s what I was referring to in my reply above lol

[@Jaguar470]

Just read the books PLEASE 😭😭😭 as a book fan I beg you! The movie truly didn’t do the books justice in how dark they truly were 😢

[@foxtail6600]

In the books it's explained that the village where they live is surrounded by a Forrest and there is no way out except for these schools. Each year 2 kids disappear and reappear in story books that magically appear once a year.

[@startide7530]

seeing them call it “friendship” like they didn’t just kiss on the lips really is..something! like, platonic love being seen as just as valuable as romantic love is great, but also they literally kiss on the lips. and no one was telling agatha to do it to save her either

[@fiend-ish1090]

this made me so mad when i looked it up later ToT i hate this trope esp bc it only happens between female characters

[@empressfreya9872]

Literally the worst part is that this happens in the book and in book 3 they're suddenly redconned to be siblings 😬

[@trinitygrau4978]

It actually doesn’t seem like a retcon at all. Especially considering the whole point is that it’s a fairytale, so true love’s kiss. But it’s very very clear that they’re only friends and there was never any romantic energy. Friendship kisses have been a thing before; Anne and Diana (in the Anne of Green Gables films from the 80s) shared several platonic kisses with each other and it was never seen as weird.

[@trinitygrau4978]

It actually doesn’t seem like a retcon at all. Especially considering the whole point is that it’s a fairytale, so true love’s kiss. But it’s very very clear that they’re only friends and there was never any romantic energy. Friendship kisses have been a thing before; Anne and Diana (in the Anne of Green Gables films from the 80s) shared several platonic kisses with each other and it was never seen as weird.

[@damilareakininrinmade4887]

this is a spoiler but in the original book series sophie and agatha were actually later revealed to be twins .

[@ooliveoill]

Honestly it has it's flaws but it was such a fun movie. As a fashionista and artist as well the movie is visually STUNNING. The over the top fantastical fashion designs are absolutely stunning. especially the evil school's going against conventional beauty standards and wearing more alternative styles is absolutely amazing.

[@deadlycrma]

This should have been a show

[@gambler942]

That what I was thinking, the movie maybe okay but they cut some part like (Circus of Talent) for instance, plus Sophie and Agatha friendship aswell, they were never friends to begin with, Agatha just wanted to be alone because everyone ridiculed her, but Sophie only see this as an opportunity to do good deeds just to get to the "School of Good and Evil" in other words she was right to be tossed in the evil section for her Selfish act to pretend to be friends with Agatha, and also a manipulating girl

[@jadonrowe273]

To be honest I enjoyed this movie it’s very pretty especially the costumes and the sets the cgi is also like not the worse and that’s shocking for a Netflix show the casting was also extremely fun the dialogue and some of the lines made me cringe but overall a fun ride very good movie to watch late at night I’ve heard the books are really good just a lot darker it would I’ve been better as a tv show though

[@theclown_underthestairs5082]

Can I just say that Sophie is my favorite character in the entire series (the books) because she’s such a badass. I was so sad to see what the movie did to her. My girl deserves better

[@yosefyonin6824]

The movie shat over Agatha even worse. At least sophie wasn't race swapped for no reason

[@DanielRodFer]

@@yosefyonin6824 Why is her race even relevant?

[@DinahInWonderland]

@@DanielRodFer I've seen this guy randomly complaining about Agatha's race in other comments, they are just your typical racist™ who feels a need to complain about race, even when it's irrelevant.

[@bridgettelair370]

It’s not so much her race as it is her general appearance. She’s supposed to look sickly and pale, and her character arc is supposed to be about her insecurities about her looks. So casting a conventionally pretty healthy looking black girl is like book Agatha’s opposite. The least they could’ve done is given her makeup and hair that’s more in line with the book (like make her look sickly with greasy hair) but no, curly hair is ugly apparently, according to the movie anyway.

[@camilledinesen2227]

@@bridgettelair370 I don't even think it is by theories standards, most of the actresses of colour, good or evil have curly natural hair. Aggies is just, slightly messy. God they missed the mark so bad.

[@Sovereign_Xan]

I just looked up the release dates for both the first School for good and evil book and the creation of EAH, and if I'm correct they were actually released in the same month, in the same year. I think that's quite fascinating considering how similar they are

[@kagoma01]

Came here to point this out, lol

[@RobticRobyn]

TSoG&E books came two months before EAH, TSoG&E came in May while EAH came in July /lh

[@Sovereign_Xan]

@@RobticRobyn Thanks for the info! Still incredibly close tho

[@RobticRobyn]

@@Sovereign_Xan yea definitely, I just disagree with calling it an EAH rip-off (referencing other comments, not yours)

[@Jaguar470]

Tbh, the only thing similar between The School for Good and Evil and EAH is the starting concept, other than that everything else about the stories are completely different (don’t base your assumptions about this story off the movie as the movie adapted the story terribly and literally got the story 99% wrong)

[@tofanpurnomowaisaka503]

I thought I'm the only one getting grossed out by RafalxSophie, he groomed her(the bad kind)! Also got aggravated during the "toxic" battle, because they're just Good & Evil in different coating. The "good guys" still use their evil magic & maniacally attacking, while the "evil guys" has no magic but their "good defense" judging by how much damage they tanked. Basically making "good defends, evil attacks" meaningless. P. S. I hate Hort, he made my skin crawl, he just has this slimy vibe.

[@DinahInWonderland]

So glad to see I'm not the only one who found the books immature and shallow! Everyone is praising them for the "dark" and "serious" tones, but to me, just writing death and/or violence doesn't equal maturity, it's _how_ and _what_ you do with that, and in SGE? Is used in a childish way, the way you'd expect to see a 13 yo emo YA fan would write a "totally mature" fanfic. To the good vs. evil themes that every also praises bc it's "soooo original and unexpected you guys, so deep, it has more layers than a wedding cake", exactly!!! How is everyone saying this, when what the author did was depict the exact same thing he was condemning in his writing?!? "Just bc you call people bad doesn't mean they are bad, you shallow piece of trash. Now, let's villanize ALL this other guys who called themselves good, and they must be bad, 'cuz we say so! Conventional uglyness doesn't equal evilness, and beauty doesn't equal good that's very shallow of you! Now watch as this allegedly ugly emo girl who is now beautiful post-makeover defeats this diva that how looks as an ugly old hag!" I mean, c'mon. Edit: also, you are so right about Hort, I always felt he was some sort of vanagloriesied, romanticized incel, and his chemistry with Sophie was practically non-existent. Juuust like Agatha and Tedros.

[@cyralamen]

@@DinahInWonderland Oh my god I thought I was going crazy because I literally could not find anyone else who disliked the book Ty so much for this comment, I agree in that the book’s good and evil messages are kinda fucked up to be honest and yes the violence and darker themes don’t really make sense to me because like the book literally shows that Sophie murder someone and people say that she has a truly tainted soul (or whatever it was, I don’t really remember) and then proceeds to show ong guys she has redeemable qualities 🥺 Also the definition of good, by Agatha standards, is just being a complete pushover?? Like bro she forgave Sophie so many times even though Sophie used her for her own gain and ditched her when she thought Agatha wasn’t doing anything in her favour, and Agatha just went back to Sophie again and again..? Bro what sort of toxic shit is that Also you wouldn’t be too pleased to know but Hort turns hot or whatever in the 3rd book and got an admirer in the 4th. Dated her for a while. Then apparently (I haven’t reached there yet) he ended up marrying Sophie Fun

[@captainwoongcat]

@@DinahInWonderland Huh? In the book Agatha doesn't change her appearance at all. She didn't get a makeover which was the point of the scene.

[@lucyandecember2843]

o.o

[@imthebossmermaid3648]

I thought I was the only one who didn’t like that kissing scene and also the only one who doesn’t like Hort. He gives off incel vibes. Like the guy who thinks he can look ugly and still get the pretty girl who is out of his league.

[@lucypuckett6557]

I would love to see an Ever After High deep dive! I love the series and it would be cool to see it that video remastered.

[@briteya_art]

Don’t they have one?

[@inevitablebykymmy]

My sister was reading The School if good and evil around the same time I started collecting Ever After high dolls. The author of Good and Evil wrote the official books for Ever after high.

[@ailin113093]

i definitely recommend the books, cause omg the actual trial by tale was amazing! agatha often turns into a cockroach in the books haha, in the trial she had to use his shield to cover up when she transform back, was kinda hilarious, wish they kept this bit. but i stopped at book 3 cause, well just kinda felt it fell off the rails there, but love book 1 and 2~i was so sad they cut out aggie's realisation /self love moment, like i cried! reading that chapter.

[@sangyeoncupids4662]

i just finished book 2 and i despised it tbh 😭 im excited for book 3 bcus i heard so many good things abt it

[@ailin113093]

@@sangyeoncupids4662 yea.........book 1 was peak for me lol so i feel u, book 3 was a lil hard for me to finish like i actually fast track a lot of the middle part so i could get to the end lmao. the 1 consistent thing thru out these 3 books at least, is my annoyance with tedros hahaha, NGL i actually tot sophie n aggie would end up together because tedros was soooooo annoying, then the author decided to drop a bomb in book 3 to kill all my hopes of that hapening...............sighs

[@sangyeoncupids4662]

@@ailin113093 so thats why book 3 is so unnecessarily thick compared to the first 2 😭😭

[@ailin113093]

@@sangyeoncupids4662 yea.i definitely feel half of the tings in book 3 could hv been taken n put into bk 2.and some plot......was too recycled😂so those could hv been left out.but omg the bombshell revelation Abt Aggie n sophie's relationship,I was like......nope nope skipping to the end lol.

[@Jaguar470]

I’m so glad you loved it!

[@exalteddjinn69]

I wanted them to be gay too. I was so miffed by the just "friends" ending bit that I went online to get other people's opinions and that is where I found a relevant SPOILER!! SPOILER!! continue reading if you don't care. It is revealed later in the books that Sophie and Agatha are twin sisters.

[@djtundra8011]

Damn it

[@sagebrown7590]

yeah huge yikes. in the books they're even gayer! the whole twin sister thing was supposed to be a cool plot twist but it just reads as incest. gross. disappointing.

[@msk-qp6fn]

@@sagebrown7590 I personally was more like oh so that's why they fight 24/7 but still sticks around. We kinda on instinct are attracted or attached to our kith and kins you know.

[@zestytriss5282]

I think people should know the SPOILER before shipping Agatha and Sophie 😐😐😐

[@zestytriss5282]

@@sagebrown7590 I ship them but now , after reading the comment😐😐😐😐

[@strxwbxerry379]

I agree with most of what you said but I just want to correct you in one part 😅 The people in their town bullied Agatha and Sophie not because they thought they were ugly but because they were seen as freaks. Agatha’s mom made potions and so did she and the town is against witches. Everyone makes fun of Sophie for talking to animals and acting like she’s a princess.

[@ItssMelissa]

The difference between the books and movie are interesting, especially considering they moved Rafal from the third book all the way up to movie 1 and removed the tension a bit around which of the Schoolmasters survived, it seems like the movie has a lot of interesting changes that I honestly don't feel opposed to- the movie just seems a little more muddled compared to the books Sophie and Agatha in particular had a lot more nuance in the books [a part of books that is always hard to adapt] but initially Tedros never really felt in love with Agatha in the first book, just reluctantly drawn to her despite his actively chasing after Sophie. I think the movie is alright, it just condenses a LOT of plot points

[@pas178]

Agreed I was looking forward to Agatha and Tedros‘s fights or just the “look closer” moments in the books that just didn’t happen in the movie. The way things in the movie happened so differently from the books makes me wonder how would they continue the series. Being that an important character in book 2 dies in the first movie. Also I don’t think Sophie in the first book had the mental fortitude/ self respect to ask Agatha if she wanted to stay with the prince or not like in the movie. Book Sophie seemed more dependent on Agatha being around on demand whenever she needed her vs movie Sophie is way more independent and self assured in Agatha’s love for her to allow Agatha to stay in the fairytale world or come back with her. Point is that this alone changes the story considerably for me😂

[@user-hr4rs9ue3s]

@@pas178 ahh same! I was really anticipating the Agatha and tedros banter I so dearly loved in the books. Seeing them just go a different route just made my heart shatter. I always think about how they resented each other and yet Agatha still saved him in the Trial, even though she hated him. Also one of my favorite scenes in Book 1 was that hopscotl spell scene after the troll incident... It's those moments that made me like their relationship. Man they just did Tedros (and the relationship) in general so dirty :(

[@pas178]

@@user-hr4rs9ue3s To be honest the only relationship that was really developed was Hort and the coven witches of room 13 Everyone else was rushed to the point or not on screen enough if at all lol (Pollux and professor Seder)

[@user-hr4rs9ue3s]

@@pas178 haha true Though tbh I feel like they could've done better with both those two, I was missing Sophie's interactions with the coven too, and also hort was... I missed his frog pajamas :')

[@msk-qp6fn]

@@pas178 Yeah no way jose sophie would be strong enough to let agatha originally. Like book 2 kinda revolves around the fact that sophie becomes waaay too dependent on agatha and gets jealous and afraid of losing her if I recall.

[@gota7738]

I was curious to hear how they'd approach the the magical incest lesbian fairytale books. Book Spoilers: Sounds like they went the route of "NO HOMO. JUST FRIENDS. PLATONIC TRUE LOVES KISS ON THE MOUTH. Which I'd usually find insulting, but this time? Still better than suprise incest twists via magical concievment swapping.

[@queenie691]

Wait is it between Hester and Anadil? I personally consider them canon, but Author left them out of the publication.

[@DinahInWonderland]

100% agree. God, that was pure, undiluted bs. Edit: to be clear, I originally meant it for the indirect "NO HOMO, THEY SISTAAAAHS" from the book, but y' know, the direct approach of "NO HOMO, THEY HOMIES" from the movie is also bs, so it applies to both. It's just that the former is much, much worse, 'cuz, 1. It was a sleazy move, as the author knew fully well what he explicitly wrote was going to be read as romantic, he didn't make it ambiguous in tbe narrative, 2. It was a completely unnecessary "plot twist" that was also irrelevant in every single aspect, as nothing is done with it, it doesn't even come up again, and 3. As someone else already pointed out, the chemistry is still there at times, even post "reveal", so it all feels pretty incestuous. It's like instead of trying to tell the readers "Don't ship the lesbians", he was trying to tell them "incest is wincest". Me @ Chainani: you already made them sisters to either deter shippers or bc you were grossed out or scared at the prospect of endgame girlfriends, why do you feel the need to make things utterly uncomfortable...!?

[@Intoxicatingaxe]

i mean.. in the books their relationship was interesting but they both ended up with not each other, but their relationship in the Camelot years felt.. very... very much like they forgot that sister arc lmao and the movie made me think they decided to go back to platonic instead of what the books really felt like at the end haha, which was a little incesty maybe he just thought sisters loved eachother... THAT much haha

[@annellarice730]

@@queenie691 they are cannon in book 6

[@gota7738]

@@queenie691 Agatha and Sophie. It's never made canon but if you give your two leads a climactic True Love's Kiss amongst the two obsessing over each other for two books and fighting two keep the other with them...and then in the third decide that actually they where conceived as sisters but Sophie got fetus swapped to a new mother before being born...that's some homophobic back-peddling baby.

[@xFifiSol]

if Google is correct the book for SGE was out May 14 2013 and EAH was out May 30 2013 And if you read the books both series are really different especially if you go deeper into with SGE

[@SailorMya]

I found this book on the shelves a few years ago and thought wow this sounds right up my ally since I love storybook retellings like EAH, Once Upon A Time, Descendants, ect. and it 100% was! I was surprised at the fact that they kept quite a few of the darker parts but still wish that some things were kept the same like the lore of the "village curse" where two children are taken to the school every few years and is a known legend in town. (They don't know much of the school but know two kids, one "good", one "evil", get kidnapped every few years...) I like that they moved up her families timeline making her father already married to her stepmother to better show her distain for her life when this didn't happen till book two. They made some really great choices when condensing it down like they did but I feel if they tweaked just a few scenes they could have stayed truer to the books...

[@Jaguar470]

Exactly! Thank you for such a knowledgeable thought and giving the book a chance! I’m so glad you liked it!

[@nazanin798]

God I missed Ever After High so much😣

[@So_Indecisive]

Same 😭

[@jasminkrieger8464]

I prefered monster high

[@So_Indecisive]

@@jasminkrieger8464 I miss them both, the reboot doesn’t feel like monster high

[@Floofel.]

@@So_Indecisive the move should be renamed “Movie with quirky monster girls who act like preschoolers”

[@msk-qp6fn]

You're Royal You're Rebel You're more than one together However you go ever at Ever After High~~~~~

[@Lady_Laila]

The twist on what Rafal did was actually much more powerful in the books. For upsetting the balance between good and evil, the storian wouldn't let Evil win. So even though Rafal had won, Evil would never.

[@TrickTails]

In the book, I always thought that Sophie is simply misguided and being sent to the school enables her behavior. The reason for this is because there's a little timeline you get for buying the book that shows the Good and Evil POV of the main characters. In the good POV, it says that Sophie manipulated Agatha into helping her learn how to transform so she can sneak over into the Good school and meet Tedros. Which it was a rule to not be able to visit the other school so Agatha was disguised as a grasshopper/cockroach and visited Sophie. She consented to helping Sophie, and it seems to even play a part in Agatha disliking Sophie...??? So Sophie proceeds to play the part of the villain since "nobody would ever love her". At least that way she gets her fairytale.

[@Ophiotaurus_AKA_Bessie]

When I heard that there would be a movie I was worried it would fall flat and not do justice to the source material. And thought it left out a lot around Sophie’s evil (in the books you never doubt which school she actually belongs to) it did a pretty good job. I like that the bubblegum atheistic of the good school didn’t get winxefied.

[@psyche5200]

This is a good adaptation and improved a bunch of stuff. I really love the setting and the costumes are absolutely gorgeous and a lot of the actors were great for what they are given but I think that one of it’s biggest downfalls was that they ruined Sophie’s character as a whole. I think a large part of her character’s appeal in the book was her villainous flaws, even from the start. She is constantly shallow about what’s good, especially about physical appearances (she called her friendship with Agatha a “good deed”) but she’s also bitter, sarcastic and patronizing which made for some great comedy. It’s also sorta justifiable since it comes from how her mom raised her to value physical appearances and surface level goodness above all, her excessive frustration with reality and her high expectations on what her life should be like and seeing her getting punished when those expectations shatter is heartbreaking and makes you root for her when she eventually looses her shit and in the books, actually does some brutal, axe-wielding maniac stuff. I think she could have been so relatable, especially nowadays when young people (including me) share the frustration of what reality actually is and would prefer a life of fantasy bc the real world is such a mess.

[@hydrofalls8154]

Yeah I understand the problem with changing Sophie. But I think reading a murder and seeing one have different weight. Like they are words on a page so it easier to let it go when the book does the same. But frankly I think they did will to replace this death for Gregor's. Showing what actually happens and making the one of death by Tedros in the book have way more weight. But meh that's my view on it. I am the type to excuse the flaws when the story itself is good. Cheesy lines and changes dosen't really affect me if you can still do a good story with it.

[@DinahInWonderland]

This👏👏👏 this is why she is also my favorite character in SGE! I loved her as this sassy, double faced, unapologetic bad b with a capital B who you couldn't help but sympathize with AND her arcs and developments were 👌 the best of SGE. IMHO, she works better as the series main protagonist with Agatha as her deuteragonist, because, while Agatha does have character development in the form of her gaining confidence among other things, the character who really goes through the Hero Journey (literary device)™ is Sophie, as she has the most obstacles formed by external situations and subsequently aggravated by her personal flaws, with Agatha functioning in the narrative as a sort of "guide". It kinda reminds me of how, in the Ace Attorney series, the author mentioned that, while the main POV is, well, the main character, and he does grow through the course of the story, the real protagonist would actually be his stranged childhood best friend/rival/romantic interest, the character with the most flaws and subsequent growth in the series as a whole, with the POV/main character being the catalyst/guide for said change of heart on this rival/ex-bff-turned-bff-turned-romantic-prospect. Except in Ace Attorney, these two weren't revealed to be secretly swapped siblings who nobody mentioned never again all along at any point, so, y' know, there that.

[@psyche5200]

@@hydrofalls8154 I don't see why Sophie killing the Beast would replace Gregor's storyline. I think both of them are compelling and could complement each other a lot if shown together. Gregor's fate could come first and when Sophie's Doom Room scene is shown, (even if she didn't know Gregor) it could be sort of like an indirect eye for an eye narrative against the school itself and it's unfair structure, which would also be conflicted by how much Sophie would want to go further than that.

[@hydrofalls8154]

@@psyche5200 actual good point I love that.

[@hydrofalls8154]

@@psyche5200 I actually have been thinking about it. And I think if they went with Sophie killing The Beast out of pure rage after Torture. So we can make shure this still her choice, Rafal could only appear afterward. Like he is just here to make shure she dosen't think about the consequences of her own actions. Something they should have done in the movie in my opinion. It would have shown it was her actions and she decided to do it. Rafal just made shure Sophie believes she was in the right. Like don't make him give any advice. Which would go with how he changed the stories, to make Good more vain and shallow.

[@TheLovelyLifeOfZpain]

I really loved this movie. As a fashion major I found it very visually appealing. I really hope there is a sequel.

[@amygames5575]

The school for good and evil was very much part of my childhood. At the time, fairy tale twists were very popular such as the series Fairest, Grimmtastic Girls, The Land of Stories, and Whatever After. Technically, The School for Good and Evil was published in May of 2013 while the Mattel dolls were released in July. People compare The School for Good and Evil with Descendants which is wrong because the book was out before the movie and was talked about making a movie remake for a while.

[@pastachyan5925]

Your video about Ever After High is what got me to start watching the series and it was great, honestly. Would love to see a remaster of your video on the series.

[@darkserpentcat3309]

Well I haven’t read the books but the movie did get me looking into fanfics and the book wikia page and you should know that in later books it’s revealed that Agatha is Sophie’s twin sister, although I highly doubt they are sticking with that in the movies.

[@gabby0961]

I haven't watched the movie but if they get rid of them being sisters then that eliminates a huge plot point. Of Sophie and Agatha being the parallels of Rafael and his twin brother. Instead of the two main characters killing each other they learn that evil and good cannot exist without the other. And that being enemies would solve nothing. Also I like their mother's backstory with her being an evil narcissist of a woman. Going as far as to blackmail her "friend" just to get a guy to fall in love with her. Then she dumps her unwanted child to her "friend" just because she is ugly. This gives you the reason why Sophie is the way she is because of how her mother raised her to only care about her appearance.

[@darkserpentcat3309]

@@gabby0961 Well maybe they won’t retcon it, really I am just guessing they are because both of Sophie’s parents were shown to be caucasian and Agatha is dark skin but they might have an explanation for that in the future or they might just recast Sophie’s mother or father in the future. I just hope it’s not something that will change Agatha’s skin or something because that would be bad.

[@mca7314]

@@darkserpentcat3309 actually if u look at the flashbacks where they show sophie's mother, the person playing her is poc. So i think theyre gonna stick with sophie and agatha being twins

[@darkserpentcat3309]

@@mca7314 really, maybe it was blurry or the lighting then because she didn’t look that way to me. I hope you are right though actually it just was hard to see, I think it there might have been a minor tint or it just went to fast

[@darkserpentcat3309]

@@mca7314 Never mind looked up the cast, my mistake thanks

[@sophiaisabelle027]

For a Netflix film, I’d say The School for Good and Evil is a pretty solid adaptation. There were definitely some things changed, but it’s a still a pretty great movie to watch with friends and family. Your review is detailed and informative. We would all like to see more content similar to this.

[@cryptid7322]

"are we talking about maybe maintaining the status quo???!! JUST LIKE-" my brain: highschool musical "EVER AFTER HIGH" oh-

[@claytongriffith8323]

I hear that books are darker and have better characterization so I plan on checking them out as the movie was actually surprisingly pleasant

[@cherry414]

Yes they do! So much changes were done since they couldn't fit everything in 2 hours. Tedros and Agatha's relationship was much more deeper and meaningful in the book and so was her and Sophie's.

[@Jaguar470]

@@cherry414Thank you! Yes it was!!

[@Jaguar470]

Did you end up liking them? 🙂

[@terror_tonic]

my fave scenes are the one where gregor gets vaporised, and agatha pulls the little girl out of the wishing pond, and agatha shouts at the dean after tristan kills gregor in his big bone bird form, i just think theyre so neat and also they made me cry a lot first off bc ooooo a more mature fairytale school interpretation with higher stakes oooh just for me? you made it for me? omg thank youuuuu flutters my eyelashes twirls my hair second because oh my god. oh my god. the girl was in that pond for 100 years. she was just a little girl, clearly younger than most of the other students. do you think she couldn't smile wide enough? do you think childhood clumsiness fumbled her steps and curtsys? do you think she couldn't remember all the ways to charm a prince, to sing to creatures, and any other banal task demanded of her? could she not live up to their expectations of beauty, so she was trapped as a fish, only ever bringing wishes to other students while her family and friends wondered what had happened to her? she was just a little girl,,,,

[@lesvianaura]

This movie disappointed me tbh. And it does not help with the antisemitism in it as well. I wish it was a series- not a movie. There was so much to be explored about. Especially when they (spoilers) alluded to the kids being turned into things when they failed. I would've loved to see Agatha unlock the mysteries of the Good School while Sophie slowly spiraled into madness over not being in the school she wanted. I've been thinking about reading the original book series but after hearing some things about how the writer himself deems "evil" I might not. Overall it isn't a bad plot. It could've had better execution.

[@DinahInWonderland]

Oh, yeah. That's the right decision, what you are doing: there's definitely some good elements to take from the books, which the movie failed to convey, but there's also truckloads of bad stuff in the books, surprise incest notwithstanding. The author preaches both indirectly through the narrative and directly in interviews that he wanted to depict the grittyness and matureness of original fairy tales, but I find his attempts at "gritty" end up being cheesily edgy instead of actually dark and/or serious, and the "matureness" falls flat in it's rear with how shallow, well, _everything_ , is. In OG fairy tales, conventionally ugly people could be good, and a crap load of conventionally attractive people who were downright evil; a lot of "the good guys" were manipulative, self serving jerks who get away scot free. Instead of depicting any of that, the author goes for the extremely, ridiculously childish depiction of all this themes, subsequently ALSO constantly executing some of the worst excuses of "subervisions" I've had the displeasure to read. Subversions work because you set expectations first, it's useless to go for the "EdGYNesS" subversion in a setting that's already established as made out of edgy. Ugghhh, there's so many things that were stupid and/or terribly executed, urrgh. The worst part is that I know the guy can write better, due to the small bits and pieces were genuine quality shines through, so that means the rest is garbage bc he wrote it half-assedly. Of course, i still like the 1st books a lot, love the concept to bits, and again, there's some things to take here and there in the series as a whole, but I firmly believe that, no matter how much you like something, it isn't devoid of criticism, and let's face it, this series deserves a ton of it.

[@Aisha_Luv]

Can u explain the anti semetism???

[@lesvianaura]

@@Aisha_Luv Blood magic and Sophie's transformation is rooted in Antisemitism. I'm not Jewish so I'd advise to look it up because I wouldn't explain it well.

[@Aisha_Luv]

@@lesvianaura all I could find online was a thread of a jewish person saying that the concept of blood magic isn't inheritly anti-semetic, and that alot of fairy tale tropes are kind of related to antisemitism because jewish people were hated at the time they became popular. That would mean basically all fantasy/fairy-tale stories are also mysoginistic because they were inspired by mysoginistic events. Also I can kind of see where you're coming from with Sophie's transformation, like the nose is very stereotypical, but i honestly think that's just because that's what society considers an "ugly nose," ntm that that wasn't the only thing they changed.

[@dphantom1314]

Before this guy's taken down again. I greatly enjoyed the video. I would very much enjoy you going through the entire monster high series like you did with shaman king. If Mattel tries to take it down would you be ok with putting them on patreon. I would happily sign up for a few months to watch them all.

[@soda_jar]

I watched the movie, and I liked that they were bound by rules since they're based on fairytales. Kinda wish it was a little darker like in the books, but it was a fun watch. It also would've been nice if the minor characters like Sofie and Agetha's roommates get a bit more backstory 'cause I find them interesting, and I kinda wish that Agetha's roommates were more involved with her and gain a bit of character development the more they hangout with her.

[@Jaguar470]

I really hope you read the books if you aren’t already 🙂 Everything you want is in there!

[@Cyansaysstuff]

You definitely should read the books! In the movie they left out a few characters, without whom I‘m surprised the story even works, also looking forward to the next books/ movies if they make more, simply because the connection are not there for the next book in the series, kinda focusing on the sister and her kids from a character that doesn’t exist here. I also think the books explain a lot more and a lot more details than the movie does. We get a lot more of Sophie and Agatha and their true evil and good sides. There are also more Teachers and not just 3 to begin with, and Sophie and Agatha are seen making some real connections with the other people/ classmates. So definitely read the books! They are incredibly awesome!

[@alienjesus796]

Having read the books I love the movie. I think the casting was great, although they could have made the evil schools less conventionally attractive, but the actors did a great job anyway. Watching it made me so giddy and nostalgic which is enough. Although I think a bunch of adult men who think they're required to critique everything (not directed at this channel) are just aggressively review bombing it because god forbid this movie aimed at young girls does not appeal to them. I'm worried it'll get cancelled because of it

[@sike7770]

I know there’s a lot of people who think the book is better, but honestly I like the movie a ton more because it deals with all the stuff I hate in the books. For one thing, Sophie and Agatha are 12 in the books, but they act like they’re in the fantasy equivalent of pretty little liars… there’s a ton of nudity, and a moment where it implies Sophie has smex with neverboys to boost her popularity, which is just really uncomfortable with the cannon ages. Agatha’s character is a lot flatter in the book, and becomes fully 2dimensional when she falls in love with Tendros. ALSO I HATE TENDROS SO MUCH. he’s tolerable in the movie since they pretty much made him stereotypical prince, but in the books he’s a raging misogynist who actively hates all the princesses trying to court him. He takes issue with Agatha for being ugly and not being thankful for his “favors” (stuff like the gregor scene, but instead of giant bird he killed the small child statues that was mid transformation to becoming human again), and decides to RELENTLESSLY bully her. When the two get togeather, it doesn’t feel natural. Like the storybook is forcing the characters into the roles of good/evil, instead of their own actions. They also toned down the groomer stuff with Rafal, the evil headmaster (probably cus Sophie is no longer twelve…). Yeah the book is a mess with good ideas, but also bad ideas, which makes it my go to hate-read. The movie is fun though, watched it with some friends and had a good time.

[@DinahInWonderland]

☝️☝️☝️THIS!!!! Exactly, whole the books aren't "completely abysmal", and it's perfectly ok to subjectively like them, but the objective facts are, while book fans complain about the movie for making everything "worse", the books weren't actually objectively good in the first place. They had great premises and sometimes great ideas, too, but as I like to say, "good premises don't make a good story". And the execution of SGE?? T R A S H. They had a truckload of flaws, a lot of characters lacked even more depth than what they (allegedly) lack in the movie, they were pretty cliche, shallow stereotypes you find in your typical 1 dollar high school YA rom-com book bin and/or movies like High School Musical, the dialogue is cringey, the constantly present sexualization of 12 yo is nasty, the subsequent slut-shaming is even worse and equally unnecessary (Sophie was already established to be double faced, self-centered and selfish, no need to make her obviously evil to the audience eyes by also making her "a slut" type of character, that's so f@cked up in so many ways.....), Tedros McFreakin' sucks @ss, not only he is a jerk, he is a terribly written one, too, his relationship dynamics with all other characters is non-existent, *specially* with Agatha's, etc etc. It's totally valid if people love it! I love the _concept of SGE_ , and also do adore my good share of trashy, melodramatic, insufferable stuff, but I also can see that said stuff is objectively bad/is not without flaws. No matter how much you love something, it is not exempt of criticism, and being a true fan means you can see said flaws, accept them head on, and still go "y' know what? Yes, it's sucky, but I still love it", instead of going "NOOO, IT'S THE GREATEST THING CREATED, ADMITTING ANYTHING ELSE IS SACRILEGE!!!", that's just loving a imaginary, idealized version of the canon material.

[@lucyandecember2843]

o.o

[@Jaguar470]

But they don’t give the ages in the books?

[@pinkitty998]

I remember buying this book at the scholastic book fair for a necklace that came with it and never picking up the book again. Ahh, memories.

[@cristinaacosta8938]

I actually think that, surprisingly, you summarized my feelings with this movie fairly to the letter (which is a bit scary, ngl) I've actually also read the criticism online that this movie should've been a movie, and, you know what? I kinda get it

[@Lovelili3573]

I have only have 2 things to say about this movie: 1. Sophia Anne Caruso is an icon. I’m a theatre kid and I love Beetlejuice the Musical so I watched the movie mainly because of her. 2. I hate Tedros. He is the most generic love interest ever and since they’re making everything so different from the books, they might as well cut him out of the story and make this sapphic.

[@cryforhelp7270]

I really liked this movie! Didnt get to watch the whole thing as my attention span is low- but I did like what I saw. The costumes, the settings... It was all super magical! I liked the plot and Sophie especially too. Her voice is amazing lol got to appreciate someone who can sound that loud and panicked.

[@Thatonetomatocreature]

I thought the move was okay but one of the directions they took that I just can’t get over was them reverting Sophie’s stepmother to the obvious trope. Like come on! The book explicitly makes the point that Sophie’s stepmom was a NICE person who actually cared and wanted to connect with Sophie! Reverting the trope strips away the meaning and purpose of what was meant to be a breaking of tropes and stereotypes.

[@anikanamisu2456]

Your videos make me wish we could like a video several times- or that I had money to give you 🥰

[@rayndye3705]

They made Sophie so,,, nice?? she was never manipulated in the first book the girl was just that desperate and horrible (she was iconic af though) kinda messed up the point of how she was actually evil. And Rafal never gave her magic, Sophie was just that powerful. Very sad abt that change. I loved her "If ur not gonna give me what i want then i'll take it myself" era in the books, she did not give a f abt anyone and everything and i missed that :(

[@Rileyrileyyy]

I read the first book when it came out and never finished the series, I was hesitant when I saw this adaptation but to my surprise I thought it was so fun! It definitely felt like everyone involved was having fun while they made it and I loved the lack of cgi in it haha. Im definitely picking the series up again!

[@sagebrown7590]

don't bother with the rest of the series. the quality tanks. the first book is all you need, trust

[@OverThe4thWall]

@@sagebrown7590 amen to that.

[@Jixa15]

Started reading the books recently and they are very different. I enjoyed the first book a lot, a nice short book to get me through a work shift. The second one has been a struggle though. I just got to part two and it's been rough...

[@cherry414]

Yeah, I still think book 2 was my least favourite out of all the other books but book 3 managed to redeem the series for me.

[@sagebrown7590]

the series goes down a lot in quality after the first book. I could barely finish the 3rd, not worth the read imo

[@PsychoCodina]

I know this is incredibly pedantic and I apologise, but the early dream sequence has such beautiful 18th century gowns it has to be pointed out they're definitely not victorian - it's quite rare to see proper robe à la française in this sort of media, especially when it very much seems like proper undergarments were used. Anyways love your videos and you are beautiful

[@floramew]

I read the first book of that-- wasn't sure this was the same thing, was morbidly curious. I love "bad" middle grade & ya novels, and... may this was just unenjoyable tbh

[@itsmejmoshi]

I literally just watched this movie today. I didn’t like how much info they dumped in the beginning, but by the end it got pretty good for a Netflix movie.

[@DreamDrakes]

This is a great video and enjoy the books hopefully. Also I would love a remaster of EAH.

[@awesomyth]

The movie toned Sophie and Agatha waaaaaay down. Sophie literally murders a teacher (somewhat justified but not really? Since he cut her hair but the context is that Sophie is extremely vain and obsessive about her beauty) and then commits mass murder without remorse in the first book alone. Netflix made a mistake mischaracterizing her because Rafal barely even shows up until literally the end. Sophie is 100% villainous all by herself and commits to it.

[@thesoffgengar]

i literally need the name of this trope where story characters attend a school and know they're parts of a story and they learn how to "play" their parts in that story. like how in grand academy for future villains where the students in class know what kind of "genres" they're supervillains in. like it isn't meta text but it also kind of is??? idk I'm going crazy. this is different from "children and descendants of fairytale characters attend school together"

[@krussyarts]

ah yes. the school of good and evil. i read the third book first and in a single night. honestly a great way to get into it because then reading the first book and going from not knowing how things could get to,,, THAT point to slowly realising how everything just.... goes.. wrong.. that was great, i got chills

[@Jaguar470]

I’m so glad! I’m so happy you liked it! I’m so happy you got chills! What were your favorite parts and your favorite book out of the three?! Do you think you’ll continue on to books 4, 5, and 6? 🙂

[@krussyarts]

Ohhh, that's a good question, i liked three more, simply because that's the one that had more going on yknow? I don't remember too much, but some parts i remember vaguely, and since they stuck with me, im gonna assume i liked them haha There was this part where they were walking somewhere? Or sitting And fairies were all around them, i was so mesmerised by that visual Wasn't there a fight with zombie captain hook around then too? Also, basically the entire end fight stuck with me, but i do remember that there was a part about the evil step mother and sisters that had me jumping up and down in excitement Ohhh, and i really enjoyed Sophie that whole book There were more parts i enjoyed, after all, i was so gripped i read the book in one night, but the memories are kinda hazy I don't know if i have it in me to read that much But maybe I'll listen to the audiobook or something!

[@totalcattitude4339]

I'm planning and coming back to watch this once it's fully over (because I like to watch things at 1.5x speed), but I at least wanted to comment to help b00st the video!

[@Belllean]

Honestly, the fashion in this movie is ALLLL we couldve asked for from Winx!!! Like I wouldve been okay with how dark it was if we wouldve gotten the fashion that we all loved so much🥲

[@stephanielynette5747]

This movie had potential. I enjoyed it more than i thought i would until Sophie's transformation. The use of pop music was just really jarring and breaks the immersion. Then we had the predatory relationship between the adult Rafal and teen Sophie and I wasn't about it, because gross. Three strikes and your out, third strike for me was the queer baiting at the end where Agatha kisses Sophie. I'm one hundred percent behind the love between friends, but they lost it after the kiss, and threw in the straight relationship with Prince whatshisname (he was that forgettable).

[@sagebrown7590]

Doesn't make it better that Rafael is not only decades but lifetimes older than Sophie. 🤢 Also, in the books the queerbating is so much worse. To put it into perspective, so much of the series revolved around what's essentially a bi love triangle between Sophie, Agatha, and forgettable prince. The only way the author could get readers to stop shipping was to randomly include that "hey! they're actually secret twin sisters!" surprise surprise, that didn't help, just made the other books look like incest.

[@Shatter12sec]

In the movie Agatha is beautiful, when the whole point of the book is that she is ugly but finally realizes that happiness is what makes her beautiful, and in in the film it kind of just feels like racism... Also it's been awhile since I read the books but I have no clue who the hell Gregor is, and they completely ignored Agatha and Kiko's friendship. They butchered my favorite scene (the wish fish) and made it into that, and completely missed out the part where Sophie is Evil, like Agatha was not her friend, she was her good deed. While it may not be a big thing, I really hate how they made it so the town doesn't know about the kidnapping and everything, the first line of the book was literally 'Sophie had waited her whole life to be kidnapped' and it's such a great line that makes you want to know more immediately, it wouldn't have been too hard to add in either, since Sophie wakes up to her dad hammering boards to her window, and he explains it.

[@sagebrown7590]

I thought the direction they took with Agatha was weird too, in the og books so much sets her apart, from her appearance, inability to connect with others, to the fact that she literally lives in a graveyard.?? Why take that away, gave her gorgeous princesses curls, make her talkative and friendly and flatten it into "we don't like you because you're a witch!" like I get that it was a short movie but come on

[@sagebrown7590]

totally agree that the world building was so much better in the book. With the movie, the town of Gaveldon is just some boring vague place in Europe without the fairytale aspect. I understand that they needed to cut for time somewhere, but that was an important drive for Sophie especially

[@coralineripoff]

I’ve still have not gotten over the books. The first 3 books just all correlate so well together, with parts that was left unknown in the first book to finally be answered in the third book. There was also so many scenes that I enjoyed so much in the books and especially the characters, I love Sophie and throughout the books I’ve just been on and off loving and hating her. I wish they could’ve shown more character to them, because they were so much more in the book than the movie. Though then again, I love the movie and books and also fairytales, regardless of it being predictable, I enjoy them.

[@michellegeller813]

I remember reading the books, they are INCREDIBLE!!! Prime example of this is when I was reading the 3rd book. (...She was in the cave, all she had to do was destroy it and everything would be over, Happily Ever After was within reach, just destroy it and it will destroy him!... and she hesitates. Why should she?...) And I left it there for A YEAR AND A HALF. First because it was too much, then because I forgot about it, and one day I remembered it and went back to finish it. I barely remember how it ended because I'm STILL stuck in that moment. That's great writing. Highly recommend it.

[@AwkwardFellow]

See, I get the whole "two best friends love for each other can save the world". Frozen and Maleficent did great jobs of portraying these themes. My gripe with Agatha and Sophie's situation is the fact that Agatha kissed her on the lips, which is typically romantic. If you want it to be platonic then make it platonic... otherwise we better start having more platonic male/female and male/male platonic kisses on the lips. I'm also tired of "Oh? Are we going to tackle nuanced feelings where they learn they're more than just best friends?" and getting hit with "No, they're really best friends- No, actually, sisters by blood!". I was frustrated seeing it. Especially when the male lead is once again not a good fit (he struggles to at all understand Agatha and killed her friend without apologizing or showing remorse lol) and bland + useless at worst. I get more and more jaded about if the hints I'm picking up are gay or not the more they pull the rug out, and in turn that dampens my reaction when we finally do get representation. It's not a harmless thing. That said... I love a lot of the ideas presented with the fairytales. I always love a good "here are the decendents, and the idea behind the characters building their own fairytale even if we barely scratched the surface of it. I do also love the moral that no one is just good or evil. I have seen a twist where the person we were told died didn't actually, but I still really liked the reveal and wasn't expecting them to do it so I liked it. Hopefully we'll one day get a real gay fairytale action adventure movie sometime soon.

[@realestsienna]

kissing on the lips doesn’t always mean it’s romantic… people kiss other people on the lips all the time in a “fun, friendly” and strictly platonic way but i get wym.

[@AwkwardFellow]

@@realestsienna can’t wait to see more men kissing men + men and woman kissing platonically in the future, because that really aint a thing

[@realestsienna]

@@AwkwardFellow ok… but it is tho

[@AwkwardFellow]

@@realestsienna which tv shows have it where it’s not just a greeting? where no one teases or thinks they’re dating?

[@crab5862]

Spoiler for book 3: Sophie and Agatha are sisters. Its not a romantic thing. Also, the author, Soman Chainani, is gay and has featured a few gay characters in the books as well as poly people. (And the gnomes are genderfluid). I also walked away from the books with the interpretation that Sophie was on the aroace spectrum, believe it or not. This movie desecrated the foundation of what the books did, seriously.

[@AntProxy]

Sofie and Agatha are sisters in the books. It's also a pretty regular thing for kids to just disappear in the night. Loved those books as a kid

[@Bb-bg8gf]

Please please please! Guys, don't ship Agatha and Sophie. Spoiler from book: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . They are twin sisters born with a dark magic

[@liaz5699]

are we not gonna talk about the obvious sequel teaser at the end of the movie? "you can't leave Agatha i need you" i mean COME ON we already got rid of one toxic boy toy did we really NEED another??

[@kingskayla7865]

I would love to see you do a series on the books whilst you read!!!

[@giuliama112]

I would love for u go deep on AEH:3 Like, there is so much that nobody talks about.

[@IDontSleep190]

Hey Negative legend, do you mind if you did a video about Carmen Sandiego the 2016 one?

[@DreamDrakes]

I totally agree with you on that. It's a great show

[@TurboZera]

I absolutely love your video essays. This one is no exception. I also really enjoyed watching the film. I love fairy tales a lot and so this movie was a must watch for me. I love how they incorporated the Nachtkrapp into the story as the creature that transports the students to the school. In this movie it's basically a goth taxi and it's just amazing. For anyone who doesn't know, Nachtkrapp means night's raven and it's a large raven of death from german folklore. It carries away children at night so they will never find their way home again. The Nachtkrapp is basically just a german folktale boogeyman (we have plenty of those in europe) to scare kids into being back home before it gets dark outside and to keep them from getting themselves into danger by sneaking out at night to meet with friends or something. The plot of the story felt really refreshing and I like the overall aesthetics a lot. The only thing that somewhat rubs me the wrong way is how at the end they just dropped the sapphic plot of the story. Sophie and Agatha's romance was the driving force behind everything in the plot and the removed it just so that the homophobic audience won't get mad. In my headcanon this is still a sapphic fairy tale regardless as most fairy tales are forcefully straightened. If I would be a student at the school of good and evil and if I could choose the side myself, I would probably just fall inbetween the schools. I absolutely love the white-gold-pastels of the school of good but I feel the exact same for the gothic style of the school of evil.

[@theelementalhaven]

I think this movie is good example of why I think books in most cases should be made into a limited series instead. It’s a lot harder to make convincing time jumps in a movie vs a series where you would just assume time passed between episodes, unless stated otherwise. A series could also help give the characters more depth in ways a movie wouldn’t allow. Not to mention better pacing since this movie really don’t give you any time to breath before they throw the next thing at you. Fantasy especially needs to give the viewers time to take in the world and it’s rules, since most things work differently.

[@rowatheundying4200]

The book for The school of good and evil came out on May 13 2013 Ever after high came out on May 30 2013 We should not have to compare too god series for having similarities

[@cenasparks3402]

14:43 Tedros suffers severe daddy & mommy issues in the books and OOOOH my gods I never saw that plot point coming when I started reading them in 2013 but also it's why I adore his himbo self in the books.

[@Jaguar470]

He’s SUCH a deep character in the books, it’s honestly beautiful. I’m so sad the movie did his character the worst and barely showed him and who he is.

[@cenasparks3402]

@@Jaguar470 Tbf, Book Tedros was a huge prick to Agatha in the first book. They only fall in love AFTER realizing that Tedros has been finding Sophie because Agatha is Tedros's one true love. Movie Tedros at least puts in more of an effort to treat Agatha as a person when they're on screen together. Book Ted is just "Agatha's a witch bec she's stand offish, mean, and looks scary." Vs Movie Ted who's "She actually sees me as a person and not Arthur's son/Camelot's king." They scaled down his daddy issues in the movie which is why he's different compared to book Ted despite the semi confusing and disastrous story that is SGE.

[@Jaguar470]

@@cenasparks3402 Have you read past the first book? How far have you read? Because Tedros does come to this same conclusion in the series of Agatha loving him for who he really is, it just happens later in the series after book 1, with the growth into that being done very humanely and very naturally. This subsequently causes him in growing to love her, just as Agatha later grows to truly love him instead of just saying she does or pretending to feel true love in the first book when their love was very shallow.

[@cenasparks3402]

@@Jaguar470 Yes I've read the entire series, own the entire series including the handbook, the preorder short story, the Beasts And Beauties, the red queen crossover, the Rise book, and listened to the audiobooks. It's just to me, Book Tedros was not very kind or interested in Agatha until after he got ditched by Sophie in the trial when up to that point he had been a huge prick to Agatha while movie Tedros at least gave her a shred of kindness before getting clocked for the stymph tragedy.

[@Jaguar470]

@@cenasparks3402 Cool cool! And yes Tedros is a bit of a douch in the first book, but he truly grows to see that Agatha sees him for who he truly is, it’s shown in the third book when he chooses her in the end after Sophie gives him all the non-personal reasons for loving him. The entire part 2 of book 3 revolves around him questioning the intentions of each person and if they truly love him for him, and Agatha shows that to him how she truly loves him. You see as the series goes on them truly caring for each other, as by book 5 you see Tedros care for Agatha SO much throughout it, like when he and her got to dig up his dad’s grave and he’s thinking so many beautiful thoughts about her. It’s a very large contrast between where they grew to be by book 5 that shows the utter shallowness of their love from book 1, and it’s supposed to be that way. People aren’t just naturally in love with each other from the start, that’s a myth given to us by fairytales, especially Disney ones, when it simply isn’t true. That’s why this book is more reminiscent of Grimms fairytales which have a much more realistic edge to them, and that’s why this book series has a more realistic edge to it, and isn’t showing this happy fairytale romance, because that just is not reality. That’s why Agatha and Tedros aren’t depicted as a truly romantic couple in the first few books, to show how it realistically takes time, growth, and effort to develop a relationship into one filled with love and care.

[@kasumikat]

you'd think the mainstream media would compare this to Decedents too

[@JamesLawner]

I’ve briefly heard of the books, but never read them, but this movie pleasantly surprised me, and I really liked the movie’s use of practical FX and makeup FX. Also, you could compare this to Regal Academy and Descendants, and real talk, it seems so weird how there’s so many of these fairy tale revisionist-style stories involving fairy tale characters going to magical schools, like you would think there would be multiple lawsuits or something lol. Lastly, I think this movie would’ve been better as a show rather than as a movie.

[@wiiink]

They somehow really messed up the main characters, especially Sophie. Taking out all the murder she did and her vanity and narcissism made her way too nice and, on top of that, making all her actions just be under the influence of the school master takes the blame off her entirely. Rafal is barely in the first book and only shows up at the end, everything Sophie did was purely her. She killed the doom room attendant just for cutting her hair and brutally slaughtered all the wolves and fairies in the school. The whole point of the book was that fairytales make good and evil too black and white but by making both Agatha and Sophie cookie cutter innocent good girl protagonists that the book was trying to subvert in the first place, they take away all the nuance. I've been waiting for this movie since I was a kid and in some ways it did seem like they tried but they kinda really missed the point.

[@OniBoiXD]

I actually felt that it could have been better as a series 🤔; I haven't read the books so I'm not sure if that's the case

[@cherry414]

I wish it was a series. There are so much to uncover just from the first book alone.

[@katiedog7497]

I’m gonna guess the ending. Wow we all have good and evil inside of us and it’s never to late to change. It’s one big school now. Everybody learns about each other and themselves and live happily ever after.

[@DinahInWonderland]

Wow have you read the books, too? That's basically the ending of every single on of them, give or take a secondary theme here and there. They are enjoyable, but they don't really bring anything interesting to the good ol' overused premise.

[@katiedog7497]

@@DinahInWonderland no I havnt it’s just obvious that’s the cliche it was running toward.

[@DinahInWonderland]

@@katiedog7497 lol, yeah. People complain that movie "made everything in books cliche and cheesy", but the fact is, the books where even more cliche and cheesy than the movie, sooo... The only true core difference is the general tone: the books are cheesy in the "edgy 13yo Shadow the Hedgehog fanfic writer" type of cheesy, while SGE movie cheesiness is more of a High School Musical without music type of cheesy. They both are cringey, but the latter is at least bearable, entertaining, even.

[@PeacefullyHaunted]

Aside from the movie being horribly anti-semitic, it also cuts out the most significant scenes and butchers all of the characterization. I'd seriously recommend reading the book.

[@LumenFox777]

Stumbled across this video and your channel and was very intrigued about your style then saw the ribbon sticker on your mic and got really happy to see someone else like myself

[@bog-mist]

I've never read the books so as someone who has only seen the movie i think it would have been cool if they pulled something similar to pjo the last olympian (spoilers) when percy and annabeth are fighting luke/kronos (now manily kronos since he has control of lukes body) luke relises that what he did wasnt the right choice even is he still hates the gods and uses annabeths dagger to kill himself therefor sending knronos back to tarturus. I think it would have been cool if Agatha did die but came back to life after sophie killed herself realising what she did and not wanting to live in a world with out her and agatha ends up killing rafal again this is coming from someone whos only context is the netflix movie i know this probably wouldn't work with the books

[@CorvidQueen319]

I agree with the others down here in ye olde comments. The book series is far more detailed, complex, dark, and enjoyable. The movie is decent for what it is, and I essentially decided to enjoy it for a few reasons: it gets people looking up information on it, and that can lead to them discovering the books; the skill of the actors and actresses was very well done, and the casting was pretty decent as well; and some of the differences from the books were kind of nice (i.e. the character of Gregor Charming, the poor dear).

[@IceRiver1020]

The hair cutting scene is SOOO much better in the book, and a huge moment for Sophie's character, I was disappointed.

[@sagebrown7590]

her hair was one of the things connecting her to the image of a princess. literal golden flowing locs. it really hurts further disconnecting her from that, making the pay off all the more rewarding. even at an evil school, with everyone trying to keep her from good, she rises above and it's just SO MUCH BETTER

[@sabrinaking1873]

I remember buying the first three books of the series and enjoying them, and I still do. Not going to say they're perfect books, but I like the setup of a school that prepares students to create their own fairytales instead of merely reliving them. I think Ever After High, if it gets a reboot and come on we know it will eventually, could do something similar. You could have it be about following/upholding family tradition of being a great hero, or a villain, but some students want to follow a different path. Raven wants to be good but no one trusts her because of her evil lineage. Sorry for the tangent. Anyway, the movie was honestly kinda meh to me, I have no desire to rewatch it, and prefer the books.

[@surfangel8572]

For whatever reason if you make the ever after high videos Im imagining Mattel sitting back going "yesss >:) get comfortable making videos so we can strike them all at once MUHAHAHAHAHA"

[@dubbytheapple7115]

I would be super interested to see your reaction to the books. I really enjoyed them as a kid

[@MostlyAnimatedSketches]

To be honest, the term "rip-off" is used so liberally these days lol. Not only did EAH come after SGE, technically, and any similarities are just a coincidence, but the whole "fairytale remix" subgenre is not that new. SGE doesn't even really play on the whole "descendants of fairytale characters" thing that much, except for when it needs to, tbh. I did read the books when I was younger and I remember them very fondly, but looking back it seems a bit confusing, heteronormative (yeah, I wish the Sophie and Agatha twist didn't happen... don't want to spoil it but I don't like it, partially because I hate Tedros), and some of it doesn't really age well. I am rereading the first book now and some of the writing really makes me cringe too lol, particularly an exchange between Sophie and Agatha in the beginning where Agatha's like "but if you say anything shallow or self-centered, I'm going back home" and Sophie's like "but then I can't talk!" Like, it's such a bad line for her character at that point, in my opinion. It sounds like an incorrect quotes post rather than actual dialogue that should be there. Anyway, it's not perfect, but I will say it's better than the movie. The Trial By Tale thing in the book was so much more epic and I liked that Sophie's evil side didn't come out of nowhere. That being said, I do like some of the stuff that was in the movie, like the emphasis on "good became so shallow but it used to actually be about being good". Like I feel like that's a realistic outcome when you label the schools this way. But seriously though, I actually don't like that this movie is YA... I don't disagree with it being PG13, since the book kinda fits that too, but come on, it's based on a kids book lol, why can't it stay true to the book and *happen* to qualify for a PG13 rating instead of forcing it to be a YA film? The pop songs!! Took me out of the experience.

[@bookworm4133]

I watched this on Netflix, and it seems to be rated PG-13. Are you upset that its rated PG-13 or are you upset because its YA?

[@MostlyAnimatedSketches]

@@bookworm4133 I'm upset because it's YA lol

[@carolinewilliams5015]

the books are significantly better it brings emotions and you can get attached to the characters. honestly, I would love a review like how Brian David Gilbert did the Halo books. and compare it to the movie. I loved the books so so much

[@charcoalrose]

I'm of the opinion that this adaptation would have benefited from being a series. More time to develop the themes and to give the characters frankly long arcs time to breathe. The opening 'brother vs brother' thing just didn't do it for me because they way they explained the School Masters conflict in the book felt less 'cheesy', I guess is the word I'm looking for. It was told to Sophie as a story and the surviving brother didn't tell people which brother he was until the end of the book. The book also had the 'school master kidnaps children and takes them to fairytale school" be a reoccurring event that scares the crap out of the village except Sophie. She wants to go to princess school to be a princess and even does (not so) good deeds to pad her resume. She's more selfish and vain in the book compared to movie Sophie. I do think Sophia Anne Caruso was a great casting choice though and I would have loved to see her play book Sophie. Agatha is jaded as hell in the book and just happens to good things by accident until her epiphany moment. I would have preferred to see that Agatha but movie Agatha isn't that bad honestly, I was prepared for worse. Tedros being a kind of dork in the movie is honestly hilarious but I don't think his casting choice was the best. He was serviceable but Tedros in the book is like THE most handsomest prince ever and I had high hopes for him. Also, WHY IS THE BLUE FOREST GREEN?!

[@24shineon]

Yes please a new ever after high video series would be amazing, but I understand being concerned about copyright, but goodness I’d love to see a new deep dive