Negh'var vs Defiant - Star Trek Ds9

Clip taken from the Star Trek Deep Space Nine episode "Shattered Mirror".
Enjoy : )

[@Argumemnon]

"Your august presence". Even in life-or-death situations, Garak, in every universe, finds a way to say it nicely.

[@alexyoon-sungcucina7895]

I removed my august presence from a buffet table the other day.

[@davidmacy411]

I always thought he said robust presence. I suppose either one would work.

[@Clenched.Cheeks]

Man the writers had SOOOOO much fun with the alternate universe episodes of DS9. It shows through the hilarity of the dialogue. I dunno why, but Worf just makes for the perfect comedic villain with his beetle snuff addiction and such. It juxtaposes how heroic of a character he is in the Prime Universe.

[@DarkKnight52365]

i want a show set in the mirror universe set sometime after DS9 ended maybe around the same time as picard

[@Clenched.Cheeks]

That would be awesome. @@DarkKnight52365

[@Dauntless-ut4mm]

Everything Mirror Garak says in this episode is pure comedic gold. XD

[@Dauntless-ut4mm]

As a secondary note, this is why the Defiant could hammer most ships outside of the Federation and the Borg. Its too damn fast, too damn small, and hits just way too damn hard. Its, honestly, far overpowered for a Starfleet ship which makes it a fantastic vessel to have in a fight. I honestly believe its the ship that helped break Star Trek away from the "Submarine Battle" situations in had in most other fights. Too bad after it people took it too far with the Abrams Trek. :-P

[@sidneyfrederickson3941]

Garak had some amazing lines. My favorites are he and Quark discussing the insidiousness of root beer and his inability to make sense of "Julius Caesar" Apparently on Cardassia, once you achieve great power, the first thing you do is kill off your friends instead of letting them plot against you.

[@hobomike6935]

If DS9 was a kingdom and Sisko was the King, Garak and quark were basically the court jesters of this show lol

[@thitsugaya1224]

@@hobomike6935 Garak was the real master masquerading as the jester, he's probably the most dangerous character in DS9.

[@TheUltimateCrash1990]

@@sidneyfrederickson3941 lol

[@Strathelme]

shields 100%: I'll let them play on their own pace shields 40%: im gonna start telling my team what to do shields 20%: time to carry this team

[@blppt]

You forgot Janeway in The Year of Hell: Shields 20% (and one dead bridge officer): Battle Stations. LMAO

[@uberdude2555]

@@blppt Still 1000 times more believable than the shi*tshow called Discovery and Picard.

[@blppt]

@@uberdude2555 Hell no. Voyager was the worst. Like 6 good episodes and 150 bad ones. At least there are good actors all about Picard and Discovery.

[@Gentleman...Driver]

@@blppt Voyager had so much potential. The best sets on any Star Trek show in my opinion. Great visual effects, even better then Discovery and Picard. Also a great background story. But they had to do much more with the consistency of beeing stranded on the wrong side of the galaxy without supply-lines. The ship always looked as it has been serviced in a space dock every episode again. Kind of sad really.

[@blppt]

@@Gentleman...Driver Terrible cast, for the most part, and mostly terrible writing. Can't deliver on a solid premise with those two things. Year of Hell is probably what Voyager should have actually looked like at the end of its journey, lol.

[@Renserin]

I still love this scene. Yeah, it's the Mirror Universe, but it's one of the few times we really get to see what the Defiant is capable of. In a lopsided battle like this one, anything short of a Nova or a Galaxy Class should have been blown out of space. Instead, the Defiant rips the Negh'var a new one. Also one of the only times we see the Defiant's dorsal phaser strip in action.

[@tremedar]

A Nova? As in, the small science/scout ship that replaced the Oberth e.g, the Equinox?

[@Renserin]

@@tremedar My mistake, I meant the Nebula Class.

[@kingbeauregard]

@@Renserin I was going to make the same point. We all are very lucky that people can't reach through their monitors and dump our books.

[@adambrown6669]

Vs the negh var, the only federation ships that would be able to go head to head with that and come out on top would be the Lakota or a sovereign. Beyond that the refit galaxy class, steamrunner, akira and intrepid classes could probably damage it but the key to victory here was speed and outmanoeuvring the neghvar, so ironically the nova would probably do alright given it's size.

[@kfures3469]

No matter the universe, you never fuck with the "USS Pimphand"

[@hogfry]

Mirror Worf when Sisko took the helm: "Why do I hear boss music?" Gunner: "Their broadcasting it over subspace carrier wave. Also, someone is on the hull of the enemy ship. They've repainted its registry... as... Sisko's Pimp Hand...?" McWorf: "Warp factor nine. Now!"

[@davidolsen2495]

@@markj2093 Who cares? Jokes always come from some where. I for one am glad he said what he did because for one: Don't go on star trek forums or any other ones. Second: I thought it was funny and I wouldn't have heard it anywhere else

[@mousepointer12]

McWorf I'm dead

[@hobomike6935]

"oh hi, yes, I'd like a McWorf with a side of ferengi fries and a large O'Brien Orange bubbly. what? what do you mean you're out of O'Brien Orange? well just give me the root beer."

[@duanscott2490]

For years I've been trying to figure out why Starfleet ships use so much high grade explodium in the bridge panels. Watching this Klingon ship in action I think I understand. While the Starfleet ship is plagued by exploding panels and conduits, the Klingon ship is equally plagued by being built with actual firewood in its panels and loosely connected steel pipes overhead. I think I'll stick with the explodium.

[@platiuscyndar9017]

Explosions go off once, firewood keeps burning AND consumes your oxygen… also makes repairs harded because you gotta put out the fire

[@termitreter6545]

I know its become a pretty common meme, but I do love how much the bridgesplosions add to the drama of the scene. Always made Star Wars battles special, even if they dont got BSG style slugfests.

[@tharkthax3960]

Explodium is an awesome word 😆 But yes there's probably a huge mega cheap capacitor wired under Each panel 👍

[@fjmj1980]

We need to keep the federation economy moving. By adding explodium we will have to continue “minor refits” indefinitely. We also have to continue perpetual Miranda class production, they are sacred phaser fodder.

[@RocketHarry865]

@@termitreter6545 Why can't for once somebody makes a sci-fi battle of when a ships internal systems start taking damage instead of exploding they simply just power down

[@RivellaLight]

"Forgive me my regent. But perhaps the moment has arrived to remove your ogust presence from the battlefield" LOL!

[@Haphazardization]

+Rivella Light In any universe Garak is the shit

[@vguyver2]

I had to scroll down to see if anyone typed this up. This version of Garak is the toady, weak willed, and a unclever version. But he's still incredibly entertaining and such a suck up when it comes to language.

[@eXcommunicate1979]

"august" presence.

[@Redshirt434]

Rivella Light You mean RETREAT?!

[@cristianruiz1972]

Perdone mi regente, ¿no es el momento de alejar su angustia del campo de batalla?.

[@seanxl7748]

The Federation should build massive Defiant carrier that can deploy 8-16 Defiant units. That would kick the shit of any star fleet.

[@kevo_chen]

Holy shit best idea ever!

[@kokopelli2012]

+Sean XL they can't make it better than the big "E"

[@TheZorolord]

+Erik Charles for it size the defiant is the most powerful Starfleet vessel ever, as you can see she took down multiple birds of preys and the Negh'var.

[@seanxl7748]

***** I agree with you on the purpose of Defiant Class. But I think if they can exchange the warp capability of the ship for even better maneuverability and smaller size. The Federation would have a new class of vessel between a delta flyer and warp-capable ship. They can be attached to their carriers for warp-travel, maintenance and better living quarters. But when engaged in battle, several units of them could detach and fight.

[@Milleniumlance]

+Sean XL yeah, they shpuld have done like B5 did with the whitestar fleet 100-150 fast small powerful next gen ships in squadrons

[@KH4444444444N]

The Defiant kicked the living shit out of that Negh'var. Those strafing runs along their superstructure were triumphant.

[@Revkor]

her size and manuverabiliy in play plus this is no ordinary Neghvar but Regency one. Super sized

[@WilfredIvanhoe]

"Concentrate your fire on their forward shields!" **proceeds to attack from behind**

[@dtfhhn]

Oh yeah.

[@watcherzero5256]

Remember it is the Mirror universe lol

[@tbeller80]

"Concentrate your fire while we fly figure eights up and down the the entire length of the ship."

[@patrickcoyle5469]

Targeting the forward shields while aiming from behind is Sisko's way of making sure every last inch of that ship gets messed up.

[@VulpisFoxfire]

On DS9, they confuse enemy intelligence agents by making *every* battle plan 'Delta'. :-)

[@TheBlackB0X]

And Beta if you want high DPS, or Gamma for a large minefield ;P

[@DocRob23]

+TheBlackB0X Omega is where it is at. Or Alpha.

[@Elthenar]

It's a code. Delta is D. D for Deez Nutz!

[@BNuts]

@@Elthenar Did you call?

[@garvindreis]

They stole it from rouge squadron. "Attack plan Delta. GO!

[@ghostofpambo6266]

I miss this Star Trek.

[@DblOSmith]

"SHEER FUCKING HUBRIS." - STP

[@kevinphoenix2007]

We all do.

[@KH4444444444N]

@@DblOSmith Fuck I know...Ridiculous.

[@adammclaughlin845]

"It's nice to have something to look forward to." Best comeback in Star Trek?

[@iamtenzin4409]

+Adam McLaughlin Garak always had the best lines.

[@Rainbow00Inferno]

+Adam McLaughlin correct

[@longWriter]

What do you expect from Elim Garak? hehehe

[@MCPostilaatikko]

"Forgive me, my regent. But perhaps the moment has arrived to remove your august presence from the battlefield." "You mean retreat?!" "I HOPE I'M NOT OUT OF LINE."

[@aperson22222]

Adam McLaughlin Best I can think of off the top of my head.

[@niuchemist]

"... remove your august presence from the battlefield" ... Garak's awesome in any universe.

[@Willpower-74205]

Easily the best one-on-one space battle DS9 has ever produced. 😁👍

[@warspite1995]

ahhh Pattern sucide

[@kurt1339]

I guess they learned that from WW I I.

[@thomas.parnell7365]

@@kurt1339 must of learnt that from prime universe worf

[@kurt1339]

Thomas. parnell “Prepare for ramming speed” -Worf Prime universe

[@Shadothecat]

@@kurt1339 or kor prime. Prepare a boarding party Sir they have a garrison of 10,000

[@sargon6000]

PREPARE FOR RAMMING SPEED!

[@Coyote_Man]

Klingon Engineer: Alright we're almost done designing the Negh'var class ship, how many disruptors should we put on her Martok: All of them Klingon Engineer: All? Martok: ALL OF THEM

[@ecliptorcalrissian5014]

That sounds like Klingons all right! ...of course, it sounds like humans in real life too.

[@wkcia]

"Son, I'm worried that what you just heard was give me a lot of phasers. What I said was give me all the phasers you have." - Chancellor Martok, the Swanson

[@danielbertrand6675]

It's ironic the Klingons developed the Negh'var class ''dreadnought'' to counter the Romulans own behemoth ''dreadnought'' style ship, the D'deridex. Before the Dominion war officially began and the Romulans tried to strike the Dominion preemptively with a cloaked fleet of D'deridex ships they learned very quickly that small, manueverable, fast ships could overwhelm larger ''dreadnaught'' style ships such as the D'deridex , much like how the Defiant was able to cripple even the Negh'var. Granted the Defiant is an extremely versatile and heavy hitting ship for it's size. The Klingons should've focused on upgrading their birds of prey or better yet building a new small, manueverable, fast and heavy hitting ship similar to the Defiant but with the tried and tested base design of the bird of prey. IDK that's just my opinion. I understand people like the idea of a massive, heavily armed ship that's designed to strike fear into other battleships, i personally think it's impractical and unnecessarily expensive. The best way to put such a bulky and unflexible ship to use effectively is to have it supported by a small fleet/half dozen birds of prey engaging smaller vessels and giving the dreadnought enough breathing room to manuever into position so it can best use it's enormous firepower as intended.

[@scottythegreat1]

I bet thats what Shinzon said to his Reman Engineers when designing the Scimitar

[@TheSykoRC]

Those lines „all of them“... somehow I have Gary Oldman in Leon yelling in my head: „EVERYONEE!“

[@johnrechtoris9796]

Bashir: Yaaaah! You're all clear, Captain! Now let's blow this thing and go home!

[@kurt1339]

John Rechtoris Teminds me of starwars the fun on the DS1

[@danieldunlap4077]

May the force be with you Harry

[@DavidKnowles0]

That fighter single shot a bird of prey through.

[@blppt]

@@DavidKnowles0 Yeah, that part made no sense unless the BoP was near death. If their fighters were strong enough to one-shot a BoP, they didn't need the Defiant.

[@superguy6892]

It occurred to me this must be what obrien and bashere are like in all their holosuite battles that we never get to see. Especially flying spitfires for the RAF.. And this obrien and bashere in the AU do it all without the holosuite.

[@Willpower-74205]

Still one of my all-time favorite DS9 battles.

[@btly-wing6531]

"Tough little ship..." "Little?"

[@richardched6085]

Prime Worf had extensive pride for the Defiant. Mirror Worf was disgraced, defeated, and captured by the Defiant. Ironic.

[@thomas.parnell7365]

@@richardched6085 was was the mirror universe

[@thomas.parnell7365]

Not imagine those rebels with 52 defiant class ships and maybe a few cloaks that would make the klingons think

[@harrismiller1948]

Defiant is the kind of ship that grabs you by the nuts while it's hitting you in the face

[@thomas.parnell7365]

@@harrismiller1948 agreed imagine the rebels with 10 or 30 defiant class ships

[@liljohnnotbigjohn]

"Hard to Port!" *weaves in and out of the station* "... port was involved there somewhere."

[@SheldonAdama17]

Sisko: “O’Brien, prepare a high yield quantum torpedo and write on it ‘Don’t f*** with The Sisko’ “

[@jeepdude7359]

“Cannon to right of them, Cannon to left of them, Cannon in front of them Volley’d and thunder’d; Storm’d at with shot and shell, Boldly they rode and well, Into the jaws of Death, Into the mouth of Hell Rode the six hundred.” The Defiant has to be the coolest ship in the Star Trek universe! ...Well second coolest next to Zefram Cochrane’s The Phoenix.

[@RoonMian]

“Cannon to right of them, Cannon to left of them, Here I am, stuck in the middle with you"

[@KH4444444444N]

Future Enterprise-D for me...And the Prometheus.

[@forlorndream1400]

Ben Sisko at the helm of the Defiant, your best defence is to run away.

[@Wolfsbane909]

but we don't need to worry when it's o'brien at the helm, doesn't even know Delta formation patterns or full capability of the ship. Why is O'Brien acting like such a cadet N00B? Sisko be like "just GTFO the helm, i know the ship better than u, nothing personal."

[@eXcommunicate1979]

Because it's the mirror universe O'Brien.

[@_BLACKSTAR_]

Thats not what happened when he faced the Breen

[@pwnmeisterage]

They should've assigned Sisko/DS9 an Oberth science ship, not a Defiant war ship. But Captain Badass needs the _USS Mary Sue_ to look competent.

[@grassulus158]

Blue Skeptic Or you can take a look at Galaxy Dread Enterprise in the final episode of TNG.

[@captmorgan101472]

This is why I love the Defiant. She will always be my favorite ship.

[@rudolftrost3534]

Even with the size alteration? It seems to change size to adapt to different enemy ships.

[@chriss2031]

Rudolf Trost So long she doesnt shrink to coffeemachine size while you stepped half into her airlock...

[@whiskeyfur]

Chris K That's right.. it was the size of a coffee cup at one point.. hehe. "one little ship"

[@jonathanstuber0402]

John Walker II I think that was a runabout that got shrunk actually.

[@whiskeyfur]

Jonathan Stuber True enough, my bad.

[@CharlesUrban]

Brilliant piloting, and one of the best sequences this show had. That's how an escort fights a larger ship--underrun their targeting sensors, keep firing, and DOOOOOOODGE! Much easier said than done, though. The Valiant's crew learned that pretty quickly.

[@blppt]

To be fair, the Valiant were savoring their "apparent" victory for too long or they might have actually gotten away.

[@CharlesUrban]

@@blppt That mess was basically "Lord of the Flies" in space. The cult mentality screwed up their judgment.

[@alucard624]

Sisko straight up Last Starfighter'ed the Klingon ship with how maneuverable the Defiant truly is.

[@kingbeauregard]

"DOOOOOOODGE!" Now I'm imagining the ill-fated USS Gohan.

[@filipinowhiteboy]

@@kingbeauregard Why is dodging a subroutine!? It's not that complex!

[@KuraIthys]

Lol. One of the few times they actually state what one of these 'moves' actually means...

[@stevencohen624]

I love this episode. That Negh'var was damn tough. If it had attacked the Defiant from a longer range, Sisko would have been in trouble.

[@girlgarde]

Yeah, the Negh'var Battleship class is my favourite type of Klingon warship, it's big, powerful and can take a lot of punishment which suits my combat style. If I were a Klingon General, I'd want my flagship to be a Negh'var class warship to impress my allies and scare the hell out of my enemies.

[@stevencohen624]

ryan macdonald Yes indeed! My favorite though is Kirk's Enterprise, especially the film versions. Those Constitution class ships, in my opinion, are the most elegant ships in science fiction.

[@adambrown6669]

ryan macdonald Vor'cha for me. thats always been a nice looking cruiser.

[@platiuscyndar9017]

I'm gonna be honest, the xindi-aquatic cruisers done did it for me. The thing is just... So absurdly pretty.

[@bobpage6597]

I know its alternate universe, but this scene really opened up Defiant's capabilities. Blasts her way through a Klingon Bird of Prey, flies through the explosion and then goes hunting for the next one, putting phaser fire up its ass. The speed, the aggression!!! The Defiant in the right hands with a competant crew was a real predator, the perfect example of a 24th Century pocket-battleship!

[@marcusjustice6165]

The Prime Universe U.S.S.Defiant NX-74205 did the same thing to a Jem'hadar fighter when rescuing Odo and Garak from their Runabout U.S.S. Mekong escaping from the trap laid out by the Dominion against the combined Romulan Tal'shiar and Cardassian Obsidian Order Fleet attacking the Founders' "homeworld". DS9 Episode The Die Is Cast.

[@bobpage6597]

@@marcusjustice6165 Fair comment yeah - the Defiant vapourises one such Jem'Hadar fighter at near point blank range haha :D

[@HarvestMoonHowl]

B'Rel or K'Vort class: "Just stay on their six and aim for the engines. Their warp cores are notoriously unreliable and they can't hit you unless you're right in front of them." Any D9 Variant: "Aim for the neck. Maybe we'll get lucky." Vor'Cha: "Watch out, that scary f**ker can take out a Galaxy class on it's own." Negh'Var: "Wait, wait, wait. You want to attack what, with the what?! Oh, we have the Defiant. That'll work perfectly!"

[@hobomike6935]

Vor'Cha class was so op, lol I miss those days

[@HarvestMoonHowl]

@@hobomike6935 One of my absolute favourite Star Trek ship classes. When I first saw the Vor'Cha on TNG, my first thought was: "Okay, now the Klingons are getting serious. Look at that beautiful monster!"

[@masaakunokouchi]

Eve players know this tactic 'Orbit at 500!'

[@Apollo-tj1vm]

I see you are a man of culture as well

[@Enruler]

They really needed some light drones to counter that.

[@IIISentorIII]

looks like the Klingon did use a warp out to BM. If they had jumped back to target @ 25k they would have won ;)

[@billybegood466]

It's too bad the Defiant slotted in more shields instead of a warp scrambler.

[@ThaFuzzwood]

Aye.

[@DJenser]

2:00 Worf: Is it just me, or did the helmsman of that ship suddenly grow a huge pair, pop his limit break, and open a fresh can of Whoop-ass? Klingon Tac Officer: Confirmed, my lord! Sensors currently show that it's over NINE THOUSAAAAAND!

[@hownottobecool6663]

Why is Worf fighting starfleet? O-o???

[@randymotter51]

@@hownottobecool6663 mirror universe event, episode name is Shattered Mirror

[@Snowwie88]

3:11 - "Sisko to Bashir, concentrate your fire on their forward shield" 3:16 - Firing from behind at the aft (and bottom) shield.

[@tbeller80]

+Snowwie88 They're just doing gun runs up and down the ship's long axis, so it's not like either of them are sticking around to shoot just one spot.

[@lukez9721]

This battle never gets old. It’s so satisfying seeing the defiant dish out a rain of phaser fire against a ship that should have by all rights destroyed them in one shot

[@vmolin2162]

Defiant: smaller than the Rebel Blockade Runner from A New Hope but more powerful than the Star Destroyer that caught it!

[@gourmetbanana]

and yet fast enough to do the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs!

[@novoeduardoac1248]

"Ammm, pattern suicide" - that face Smiley does is perfect

[@MacClay8]

"Hey Captain, should we really be fighting this close to the station? I mean flying around inside the ring looks cool and everything, but don't all these ships have antimatter in them? Blowing them up this close to the station seems like a bad idea." "Chief, Matter/Antimatter explosions are only really powerful when the writer needs them to be, NOT when they get in the way of the special effects team!"

[@joshuaplotkin8826]

Play star trek online. They only do damage when the shields are down. Shields dissipate the antimatter explosions.

[@floppydisksareop]

Go into range and they tear through shield, hull, temporary hull... they were nerfed too as far as I know... you just have to be close enough... got my raider blown up more times than i can count

[@lil18thletterking77]

MacClay8 the other thing is how slow are all these ships going to continually circle thw station like that????

[@drmayeda1930]

@@lil18thletterking77 They are probably traveling on impulse power. You can't use warp speed too close to a station.

[@lil18thletterking77]

@@drmayeda1930 yea but even impulse power is supposed to be many times faster than this puny stuff..these speeds are maneuvering thruster speeds

[@rtdsbg1]

How did their warp engines still work after all that. On starfleet ships that the first thing to go.

[@Starjumper2821]

Klingon ship design is very rugged to make up for the increasing technical gap to other powers as Klingons apparently don't make have good R&D. The Negh'var probably has 3 times as much warp drive as it needs to get somewhere.

[@ragnarock4379]

*cough plot armor cough*

[@kamenwaticlients]

Because every Starfleet ship except the Defiant leaves their warp nacelles completely exposed. It's like getting into a street fight with ones balls hanging out. Oh sure your legs might help protect them maybe some fancy moves even but when they get hit.....

[@rtdsbg1]

@@kamenwaticlients lol yeah more like both balls hanging out.

[@kamenwaticlients]

@@rtdsbg1 LMAO indeed.

[@worldofthought8352]

"We can't hit the defiant, do we increase implulse? Jusp quick into warp and come back with a better range?" "Nonesense! We remain stationary throughout the engagement!"

[@Brian-ok2bh]

"Ah, pattern suicide." Lmao

[@plateshutoverlock]

I love how Garak is locked in a dog collar. I feel better knowing that Worf has him secure.

[@Paul-A01]

Defiant is best girl.

[@HacksignKT]

would wife

[@erojerisiz1571]

TGGeko Defiant waifu material Also voyager

[@ryxtan]

@@erojerisiz1571 Say what you want about that show, but the Intrepid-class is pure sex.

[@Willpower-74205]

Kirk felt the same way about his Enterprise. Just look at his expression in TMP when Scotty takes him out to her in the travel pod (the big reveal sequence with the fanfare).

[@charlesf6247]

Best piece of junk one hit near warp core breach even Starfleet command new that that's why siskio got it it was a death trap

[@nicholasmorsovillo2752]

I'm surprised that after building the Defiant the Terran resistance didn't try building more ships to not only fight the Klingons and Cardassians and the Bajorans they would have been able to free Earth.

[@marcusjustice6165]

That was their plans in the DS9 Mirror Universe Novels.

[@lukez9721]

Maybe they did but they didn’t need the prime universes help for that

[@kfures3469]

They probably did

[@CaptainM792]

In the DS9 Mirror Universe comics, it was revealed that the Terran Empire was still around, but have lost almost all of their territory except the Terran Sol. System. They’re surrounded by the Alliance.

[@Zero8880]

Wow, the ship scaling for this episode was all over the place. I know the mirror universe Negh'var was supposed to be over twice the size as it's counterpart, but that Peregrine fighter was almost the size of the Defiant. Makes me wonder if the Mirror Defiant is actually built smaller given how fast they built it.

[@SoranoGuardias]

The Peregrine-class has several sizes. The Val Jean had 40 crew onboard when it was pulled into the Delta quadrant

[@Clenched.Cheeks]

Not to mention scaling for visual impressions is more important than realism. If it's a two seater- fighter, you will never see that ship per scale against an 1800 m long ship. That's why scaling is off in EVERY battle scene in DS9, it's designed to have an impact.

[@tbeller80]

@@Clenched.Cheeks there was a Star Wars blogger who loved to complain that every Star Trek battle shows ships fighting that have weapons that can effectively hit targets thousands of kilometers away, but they're always close to point blank range. Especially on DS9.

[@Libertariandude]

Sisko piloted that attack perfectly! this is my favorite DS9 battle scene!

[@VulpisFoxfire]

Sisko's apparently been taking piloting and gunnery lessons from Alex Rogan. :-)

[@TheBlackB0X]

Your reply is under appreciated.

[@chesterkleinhans4207]

VulpisFoxfire yes, a Last Starfighter reference. "I'm light years from home, and a gung ho iguana wants me to relax."

[@drmayeda1930]

In the novels, Sisko spent a lot of time, learning the quirks of the ship, and could run the ship to the edge of it's maneuvering envelope.

[@grandkaiser1]

🤣🤣🤣🤣😂

[@Savoots]

Klingon ships are built tough. Even with all that damage it was still able to go to warp. Had that been a Federation ship, warp engines would've been offline.

[@donotneed2250]

🤣😂😹🤭

[@darkpaladinlanceramessesii5719]

Main power offline

[@Heart2HeartBooks]

Nothing on a Klingon ship is there for pleasure All of it is for battle.

[@alonelychild]

I LOVE the Defiant battle scenes

[@hmrhuang]

Surprised that the Negh'var lasted as long as it did!

[@scottythegreat1]

Its not the Negh'Var. Its a Negh'Var battle cruiser, but it doesnt have an official name. Even when you look it up, its called the Regent's flagship. Its actually twice the size of a Negh'Var battle cruiser (or so the specs say), odds are the hull is probably twice as thick.

[@lovipoekimo176]

"Sisko to Bashir. Concentrate your fire on their forward shields". Begins firing at the aft and ventral section. 😂

[@Zero8880]

My 2 favorite Star Trek ships going toe to toe!!! The Negh'var deserved so much more screen time than it received. Would have loved to see it in action in the final battle.

[@MyOnlyFarph]

Picard always knew what he was doing, always carefully considered all of the factors at play. These guys, I wouldn't trust them worth shit.

[@stanimirgeorgiev8596]

MyOnlyFarph Picard was an excellent combat captain, but unlike Kirk or Sisko he lacked determination. On several occasions we see him confused and asking his crew fro suggestions, while in the same situations Sisko and Kirk would just act.

[@user02573]

+MyOnlyFarph Rascals!!!

[@fubaralakbar6800]

"You mean RETREAT?" "No, I mean make us some coffee, jackass. YES, I MEAN RETREAT!"

[@darkpaladinlanceramessesii5719]

He'll have your head. Lol

[@thomasfletcher4765]

🤪🤪🤪🤪😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@VK1980]

This scene is one of my favourites.

[@MrCcoolg]

Because of how I used to work, I'd never seen this episode. Thanks for posting!

[@richardched6085]

Damn. That Negh'Var has to be like a Mile long!

[@AWriterWandering]

The prime universe version is nearly half a mile long long according to the visual effects supervisor, and apparently the mirror universe one was scaled up several times. So yeah, at least a mile.

[@DarkLordDiablos]

The Mirror Universe Negh'Var is around the Super Star Destroyer from Star Wars size in comparison to the ones from the Prime Universe. It's roughly three times the size of the Jem'Hadar Battleship, i.e. the really big ones you see around Cardassia in the final episode of DS9.

[@Yaapo]

The Defiant is too fast, too small and way too powerful. Overpowered, sturdy and maneuverable. What a fine ship.

[@kfures3469]

Ben wasn't joking when he said "She has teeth"

[@Yaapo]

@kfures3469 She doesn't have teeth. She has razor sharp fangs!

[@michaelminch5490]

Tough little ship.

[@redgeneral5792]

Another reason why Sisko is a badass.

[@RichardBullittBush]

Smiley: "Shields are down to 40 percent. That cruiser has us in weapons range. Should we make a run for it?" Sisko: "We run alright. Right at it." Smiley: "Ahh... Pattern Suicide..." *gives "oh shit" look*

[@jacenskylo]

With the Defiant dodging all those disruptor shots was anyone thinking of "Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee?"

[@matthewcaughey5273]

The defiant probably could have given a reman scimitar a few things to worry about and a pair might have really given a scimitar a bad day

[@conan250]

with the right captians in command i agree!!!!!!!

[@patrickstivers7387]

I doubt it. The Scimitar was the perfect warship combining speed with heavy firepower and defenses. It was made even worse with its perfect cloak and ability to fire while cloaked. I'd say that it would be like the Valiant going up against that Dominion Battleship times 5.

[@usernamemoved]

Patrick Stivers You're probably right, but never underestimate how stupid script writers can be. Don't forget that the Enterprise-D (which had held it's own against Borg Cubes in the TV series) was destroyed by a tiny Klingon Bird-of-Prey when they made a movie.

[@vonarroberts]

***** To be fair in that particular battle the Klingon's did have the Enterprise-D's shield frequencies as well as the element of surprise which effectively brought them down to size. That's like having a agent inside a castle during a siege just waiting to open the gates for your forces invading from the outside.

[@usernamemoved]

***** And you know why it's got no shields? Forget all that stuff about Geordi's visor and the secret shield frequency, we all know the REAL reason --- because Picard left Riker in charge and that ALWAYS leads to things going wrong. Poor Riker....every time the writers needed something to go wrong, they'd get Riker on the bridge. LOL Live Long and Prosper \\//

[@martinsapien306]

The Negh'var ship has an accuracy of a stormtrooper

[@DavidBrendan7799]

ONE Of the best fight scenes ever!!

[@ZemplinTemplar]

"Ahh ? Pattern Suicide ?!" X-D Gotta love O'Brien. :-)

[@kamoinar1905]

Smiley

[@593556]

i love that ship, she may be small but shes got teeth

[@gamester512]

+matt murfin For good reason. She's a bare-bones ship designed specifically for warfare, the only true 'warship' in the Federation fleet at the time. Until I got my first Tier 6 ship (the Na'kuhl Tadaari Raider) in Star Trek Online, the Defiant-class ship was the main ship I used for my Federation character.

[@593556]

really? i thought the akira was a warship to, and at the moment in star trek online i cant remember what im using its either a galaxy X or a T5 prometheus

[@593556]

gamester512 really? i thought the akira was a warship to, and at the moment in star trek online i cant remember what im using its either a galaxy X or a T5 prometheus

[@Cyke101]

Finally, an epic Star Trek battle with original sound instead of Evanescence or that "Requiem for a Dream" song! Thank you!

[@Spiz103]

Ahhh.... Pattern Suicide! - Colm Meaney really is amazing

[@FederationStarfleet]

Nope ; ) Actually it's the opposite. The Negh'var in this episode was depicted as being over 1800m (three times larger than the normal one). All the other ships are sized appropriately.

[@lostinalbion4223]

Defiant was so freaking badass.

[@sebastiaanvanwater]

Back when it was aired, it was strange to see such a minor episode getting such a large amount of visual effects. Even more strange was that it was effects that couldn't be easily recycled in future battle sequences in the series.

[@richardlahan7068]

Punching keys on a computer console seems like a very impractical way of maneuvering a ship in a high-speed dogfight.

[@geonerd]

So.... how do the control such a complex flight path by pushing a few binary buttons? :/ Even Galaxy Quest, an outright spoof of Trek, got it right with the joystick controllers.

[@PirkotheDragon]

WASD keyboard controls probably. i mean my keyboard has only half the buttons of the defiants helm, yet i manage to pilot ships in game all the time, and that includes controlling the weapons. maybe the controls for the ship arent as complicated as you'd think?

[@gryphman]

Do a Google image search for Star Trek helm console. There's several images of the actual screens. It gives a pretty good idea of how they're supposed to work.

[@thewewguy8t88]

i did just do a google search. from what i can see its very complicated and yeah WASD would be better way to control a ship lol

[@StYxXx]

If only they had used the same control panel for the tactical station they might have been able to actually hit a target

[@lil18thletterking77]

Yea theres no way...assume navigation is Ai powered with manned oversight

[@jakegeiselhart3912]

The Neg Var for this universe was bigger because of the same reason a Star Destroyer is huge, without major super powers to compete with like the Federation or Romulans, and only Rebels to crush it's logical you want a daunting ship to scare the little fighters into submission and if they refuse, level the planet or station. The Galor is similar in size to the Prime NegVar

[@luizfcavalcanti]

The Keldon is the almost big as the Neg'Var.

[@usernamemoved]

The differences in size scale are due to the fact that the TV producers NEVER paid much attention to this throughout ANY of the Star Trek series. Look at all the years of obsessed fans racking their brains trying to invent explanations for all the different sizes of the Klingon Bird-of-Prey. If you love Star Trek (and who doesn't?) you just have to let some things slide. Live Long and Prosper \\//

[@TheCormTube]

Prime universe Galor and Keldon are roughly the same size, the Keldon has a bit more bulk but they're comprobable to a Vor'cha. See Way of The Warrior when the Prakesh is destroyed.

[@iansmith396]

Probably about as far as model photography can be taken on an above-average TV drama budget, very impressive work. The Mirror Universe episodes on DS9 got progressively more ridiculous, but having this OTT space battle certainly smoothed things over at the time.

[@evag6370]

Cisco's pimp hand. It is mighty.

[@aperson22222]

How did the Mirror Universe Klingons become a superpower after the Terrans obliterated their homeworld? I know that was a long time ago, but it seems like the sort of thing that should be pretty impossible to come back from.

[@grzegorzkapica7930]

You never played Eclipse, Game of Thrones or Twilight Imperium. Onece you loose your homeworld you just make sure it was worth it.

[@boffo63]

@@grzegorzkapica7930 lose

[@ValiantWrestling]

Mirror Spock preached peaceful reforms after "our" Kirk left, rising to commander in chief of the Terran Empire in the process of doing so; however, once he had completed his reforms, the Empire was too weak to defend itself from the newly-formed Klingon-Cardassian Alliance.

[@aperson22222]

Valiant Wrestling Federation Yes, I remember that much. But the destruction of Kronos should have set the Klingons back too far to be in a position to capitalize on Terran weakness, even in tandem with the Cardassians-who should have been so far ahead of the Klingons at that point that they might as well do what they did on their own.

[@ArcaneAzmadi]

Is it just me, or does the Defiant's size change multiple times in this battle scene? First it seems to be the same size as a Bird of Prey (too big) then it seems to be even smaller than the Negh'Var's bridge (too small).

[@Misterunnamed]

Klingon ships all use the same basic shape, the only thing that differentiates the class of the ship and model would be the size of the ship. The bird of prey they destroyed would most likely be B'rel class.

[@WilfredIvanhoe]

There are several different sized Bird of Prey classes. Plus the Mirror Universe's version of the Negh'Var is a much larger ship than its counterpart in our universe. It also seems to be a unique ship.

[@terrywest111]

WilfredIvanhoe The Mirror Negh'Vars are bigger than the Prime Universe ones? I didn't know that.

[@rudolftrost3534]

It's called script adaptability. Trek uses it to explain everything that is illogical in their universe. Despite having loveable characters and good acting, Star Trek writing has always been crappy at best. If you want well-written Sci-Fi, watch Sci-Fi's best kept secret: 'Babylon 5,' which manages to do everything right.

[@Wookienator]

Rudolf Trost Heard Babylon 5 is a gem ;) You are right with Star Trek's writing, but I can just speak for myself, I just watched Star Trek for the message of Gene Roddenberry (which got lost after TNG)

[@marcelojj2009]

"We won !?" "You sound surprised." "I'm astonished !"

[@xadam2dudex]

Really !! Star trek always gets their butt kicked by even runabouts

[@AbsurdShark]

This never gets old.

[@thitsugaya1224]

Neither do Sisko's enemies.

[@niceguy60]

2:05 Clearly took a hit Sisko

[@marcusjustice6165]

1:45 The I.S.S. Defiant's Shields were still at 25 Percent before Captain Sisko took the helm the klingon fire was a glancing blow which did not finish/destroy the Defiant.

[@TheRealAbrahamLincoln]

I've never quite understood how you can miss with a weapon that moves at the speed of light and is targeted using a computer.

[@domoncar6782]

Aiming. You may shoot your projectile at the speed of light (in this case, the projectiles are photons), but the turrets that will aim your laser at the target will still need to correctly track and target the vessel. If you need to swat down an enemy that is close by, then your turrets need to have a high tracking speed (bigger arc), which in turn means that the turret houses a smaller, less heavier gun. Which means lesser fire power, which might be useless against heavily fortified enemies. A heavier gun has slow turrets to aim it, because it is heavier, and because only a slower turret can actually aim properly (inertia, if you provide sudden acceleration, then the momentum will be higher and thus stopping at the right place would be much much more difficult, thus inaccurate. So actually your bigger heavier guns are useful only against long range big targets. This is shown in the episode as by getting closer and then circling the bigger ship Sisko essentially never allows the ship track him with their weapons.

[@carcajou1018]

Because it's a plot devices and Sisko can't die nothing more. Klingons are as advanced as the Federation or any major species in the show. That mirror Negh'var should have destroy it prettily easily. An escort ship can't beat a Battleship/Dreadnought.

[@carcajou1018]

It doesn't matter what it was build for. In First Contact it was almost destroyed, had not the Enterprise-E come to save it. People really tend to exagerate it, they saw a mighty powerful ship, no doubt it is still overall it would be rank as a cruiser in a frame of an escort vessel.

[@DrewLSsix]

Abraham Lincoln. Phasers dont move at the speed of light...

[@DrewLSsix]

Dickum N Lickum the V: Emperor Of KZbin. It was built to HELP fight the borg.

[@nicholasmorsovillo2752]

It's funny that the last time we saw the mirror universe Worf,Garak and Kira was in the episode 'The Emperor's New Cloak' where Zeke of the Ferengi Alliance decided to pay the Mirror Universe a visit and ended up being taken prisoner in exchange for a cloaking device which Quark and Rom got from General Martok's ship and with help from the Rebels they freed Zeke and defeated the Mirror Universe Worf and Kira and Garak was killed.

[@MAZE4]

Really good special effects here, it doesn't matter that they were created in the last century.

[@Cowcow211]

I really didn't like Bashir's mirror universe character. Why does he sound nearly like a fecking pirate?

[@SoranoGuardias]

@@saberiandream316 He is the dumbed down Bashir.

[@Heart2HeartBooks]

Because in his heart, Bashir was a Pirate.

[@gundamm5]

One thing thats bothering me about this episode is if a federation fighter destroy a bird of pray that easy?

[@samuelgendreau4753]

Looks like a bigger version just like there different sizes of the bird of prey

[@Habilio1]

Any single scene from DS9, is better than the entire season of Ddiscovery and Strange New Worlds!

[@jm823]

Man I so miss DS9

[@ivanmodric6848]

oh god..why torpedos on Defiant?? isnt better to have forward 3 dual heavy cannons and one dual phaser beam bank?? so you have beam overload together with Alpha attack?? and this defiant is little to big when compare it with DS9.. lol... anyway i like that ship..very maneuvrable in Star trek online

[@stanimirgeorgiev8596]

***** Me too :)

[@oldman1037]

This isn't the original defiant. Its a replica from stolen plans from "our" universe, this takes place in the Mirror / dark universe.

[@williamcostigan91]

Because nothing is better then swooping in with a spread of Quantum torpedoes it just looks awesome.

[@marcusjustice6165]

@@oldman1037 The I.S.S. Defiant NX-74205 Terran Freedom Rebellion-Galatic Commonwealth

[@beomagi]

Wait, why is Worf fighting Sisko?

[@stanimirgeorgiev8596]

beomagi Mirror Universe.

[@iamtenzin4409]

+beomagi Needs more goatee

[@Varekai0723]

IamTenzin They both have goatees!

[@madman2u]

This is an alternate universe. Sisko is the only one who doesn't belong there.

[@apawstate]

In the heat of the battle requiring split second decisions and flight adjustments, they have time to have a conversion and stare at each other while they swap places.

[@jasonparis5635]

I love the mirror universe episodes on ds9 and discovery.

[@MedalionDS9]

Alright kid, now let's blow this thing and go home!

[@ransom182]

I hate how inaccurate the Klingons targeting scanners are in this episode, even pure luck would should have landed more hits on the Defiant. Pretty silly if you ask me. Also how did that small little attack ship take out a bird of prey in a single shot? Still a fun battle though.

[@bnkrmike29]

ransom182 those were outdated bird of preys and the defiant's arsenal were designed to fight borg cubes and spearhead the fleet in the dominion war, also the defiant was the first of its class during this series.

[@ransom182]

So you're saying the Defiant has some ability to confuse enemy targeting sensors? I actually meant the small fighter piloted by mirror Julian - a one hit kill against a BOP? Impressive for such a tiny craft.

[@girlgarde]

+ransom182 Perhaps the Bird of Prey was already badly damaged and the Rebel fighter ship's hit on it was merely the straw that broke the camel's back.

[@ransom182]

ryan macdonald That could be, who knows. Lucky shot regardless. I guess mirror universe Julian is one hell of a pilot :)

[@davecrupel2817]

let alone handle a frigging Neg'vhar........

[@limerickman8512]

It is still a good scene after 20 years. It is full of humour and sarcasm as well.

[@TheRealityJack]

i really like the warp effect at the end.

[@Jaymindrew1990]

It's rumored that the USS Vengence was designed after the Starfleet Section 31 and Khan of the " Into Darkness" universe saw Defiant in action in the Prime universe. Unfortunately both Khan and Admiral Marcus chose to be smug, murder thirsty jerks with the monstrous Vengence . . . until Enterprise trashed her.

[@revolrz22]

Ah, DS9. Where federation ships were impervious to damage and everyone else's targeting systems were pre-1950s in accuracy. Come on, Klingons. Where are you hiding the vacuum tubes?

[@tbeller80]

+Oddball You wonder if the klingons ever thought to put some distance between the two of them. It appeared to be stationary during that fight.

[@MoonbeamPony]

+tbeller80 Well, consider this. Everything was using the ship as a frame of reference because it was so huge. I bet if we were using DS9 as a frame of reference, that ship would be clearly trying to get away.

[@tremedar]

A negh'var, outmaneuver a defiant at sub-light speeds? Hahahahaha, oh you jest. That oversized tub wasn't getting way from the defiant scratching the ever loving fuck out of it. Warping out was the only escape. Also, to Oddball....you know attack and defense advance in parallel cycles right? For every advance in tracking tech, there's an advance in counter-measures to it.

[@revolrz22]

tremedar That has little to do with anything I said.

[@tremedar]

Oddball Yea it does, just because they missed a lot doesn't mean their targeting system was necessarily badly out of date, they may never have dealt with a ship that can maneuver like the defiant, and they certainly have never dealt with any off the technology built into it. Electronic counter-measures are a thing as well.

[@geraldshields9035]

Damn, Sisko can fly....

[@Sealhunt]

Whatever universe your in, when you put Sisko and the Defiant together, you get a righteous ass kicking! That ship and her Captain define "Your ass, my boots!"