Neil deGrasse Tyson gets to the bottom of GMOs

[@WorldinRooView]

"Can we make a crop to lower anxiety" Well I think they got one of those, I think you have to bake it in a brownie first to make it edible though...

[@ozskipper]

But that then leads to greater rates of paranoia :)

[@austinblackburn8095]

Even cannabis is modified through breeding and other forms of genetic modification, so not exactly something nature gave us.

[@larryjohanseniv7049]

Simply leave out the neurotoxin & Class A carcinogen Glyphosate!

[@monsterbash9758]

ozskipper Or maybe the paranoia comes from it being illegal or looked down on. I don't get paranoia, I've never cared about the law or what others think.

[@RyanSmith-nx7in]

nice one lol

[@macbuff81]

The issue with GMOs is not so much the food itself, but the those are incidental to their production process. Many small farmers, including those in developing countries who were once self-sufficient, have become completely dependent on huge conglomerate companies. They pay patent fees while also being forced to to drastically reduce ecological variety. GMOs have their uses, but those uses needed to be tightly monitored.

[@djinvinceable]

Who edited this??!? You played her same clip twice and you didn't play anything related to her reference to the papaya

[@saulw6270]

djinvinceable 16:44 she references the papaya a lil

[@Jhaele]

What she spoke about with the Bangladeshi Eggplant is the same technique used with the Rainbow Papaya in Hawaii. Disease killing off plant species, inject virus into plant gene like a "vaccine" and resultant plant becomes "vaccinated" or "immune" to the virus that was killing it's parents.

[@saulw6270]

shaxin80 that wouldnt explain why the common cold was around since forever b4 recorded history

[@nathanbrandt1291]

So viruses work by inserting their DNA into other cells which then copy (replicate) that DNA and produce more virus cells to go out in the world and infect other cells. In the genetic engineering world, scientists insert the DNA (genes) they want in the virus and then let the virus do the hard work of inserting that DNA into the plants. Now with the example of BT and egg plant (also field corn). BT is bacteria that produces proteins that when ingested by caterpillars causes their stomachs to rupture and kills them. So they moved the gene for producing those proteins into the plants and now instead of spraying copious amounts of insecticides to keep the caterpillars from eating the crops, we just rely on the crops to kill them after they've taken a few bites. Insecticides tend to be the most hazardous pesticides because they often work on pathways that humans have as well. A lot of them work by messing with the nervous system of insects but humans have a nervous system as well, so it can be dangerous for the people applying those insecticides. To get back to your question, the virus doesn't exist in the modified plant, so there's no chance of it making you sick. The viruses used would be ones that infect plants anyway. Hope this makes sense.

[@NihilisticRealism]

She repeated herself.

[@Inca.Arellano]

I am now less dumb, have been misusing acronym and abbreviation all my life. Thanks NDT.

[@emiledlund9559]

nowledge is haf the battel

[@pusanghalaw]

@@emiledlund9559 *now ledge.* the current *ledge.*yesterday's *ledge.* tomorrow's *ledge.* lack of *know*ledge.

[@LeviathanSparrow]

NDT is wrong, actually. GMO is an initialism, not an abbreviation. An abbreviation is a shortened form of a word (for example: Mister => Mr. and Avenue => Ave.). An initialism is like an acronym but you don't read it like a word and instead read the letters themselves (CEO, GMO, IBM, HIV). He's right about the definition of an acronym, though. He really should stick to astrophysics and stop trying to be a jack of all trades.

[@danstrayer111]

jesus...skip to 3:50 for the actual start

[@AM-nh6oz]

Thank you

[@richpotter]

GMOs aren't necessarily the problem. Monoculture and corporate greed are. And GMOs provide a proprietary angle to life: a corporation can actually patent a life form and then sue people who -- even accidentally -- infringe upon the patent. (Seeds and pollen blow around. Monsanto then sues.) I like the idea of "public domain" GMOs mentioned herein. Feed the world.

[@tomahawkx188]

Rich Potter nongmo plants are patented. FYI

[@richpotter]

Thomas Baldwin dammit, now I have to do more research. Thanks for the correction.

[@hosoiarchives4858]

Rich Potter gmo is one part of the problem

[@hosoiarchives4858]

Rich Potter you can feed the world open pollinated

[@hosoiarchives4858]

Thomas Baldwin only some of them

[@Lambda_Ovine]

Reasonable people that are against GMOs aren't against the science behind it, they are against the business practices against it. Yet again, being against GMOs won't solve any of those problems.

[@darthmcgee2216]

Nearly everything you,I and everyone eats is a GMO. It's a fruitless debate one way or the other.

[@jakewatson1160]

@@darthmcgee2216 thats why we have to be fighting against it. Grow you own organic food. Its getting harder and harder to find natural organic growing plants. This is fowl. We need organic alternatives but they are going to be non existent after so long and i have to make sure you will read what i can prove before i say anymore

[@codywhen]

@@snatchinitback4635 because GMOs have existed for 10,000 years - we know that there are literally no negative side effects

[@Dr.Zubair]

@@codywhen who was editing DNA 10k years ago?

[@codywhen]

@@Dr.Zubair its called selective breeding

[@wizardtuga]

Science communication is not easy. But talking about GMOs nowadays is just incredibly challenging. Because people have too little understanding of how biology works most of the time. And some don't even care which is worse.

[@kenwoodburn7438]

Listening to paid for pseudo-scientists ranting on about the benefits of poisons is nauseating.

[@AladayMobileMedia]

When you make a plant resistant to a poison and you slather that plant three times a year and poison what is there to understand that you don't want poison in your system I don't want to eat poison do you why do I need a biological degree or a physicist degree or any kind of PhD for that matter to know I don't want to eat poison

[@user-kb1pj7iu6j]

We need to call them 'GEO's' - "engineered". I believe popularizing the term GMO was a strategic move to dilute the appearance and make verbally vague or plasticized. Making it a much larger, less defined group. For instance how recent voting in US states to label GMO's is generally 50/50. Imagine how that would change if we called them GEO's... modifying food doesn't sound half as bad as engineering it. You can modify food by breeding. But what they are doing is beyond just that. It's not the act I am against. It's the blatant lack of testing and irresponsible premature acceptance of these "modifications" into our bodies that is the concern.

[@aarone8740]

We need to call them; shut up and eat it; or starve!

[@gentboy515]

Monoculture banana is going extinct because of a lack in differentiation and a mold. Also copyrights on strains by monsanto ... its all about greed. Science is not the problem, money is.

[@shanekonarson]

Gent Boy it’s that easy isn’t it !! Make a heap of noise and that’s all you can hear ! This guy is pretty self serving! How someone can defend Monsanto is beyond me ! Patenting life is the most serious crime in my opinion! Science has nothing really to do with it !

[@Meirstein]

Banana is a very bad example. Fruits are clonally propagated due to consumer preferences. When I buy a banana, I want it to taste a certain way. Same thing goes for a Red Delicious apple or the grapes that go into our wine.

[@emiltrees]

Money has always been the problem because of Greed. Proverbs talks of Greed and so did Christ.

[@popeyegordon]

There are a hundred other varieties. Dumb comment.

[@adamdominguez656]

It's the love of money, bro. Not money itself. Money is a useful tool.

[@rogerc23]

Who do we need GMOs. Answer we don't. Exactly. Corporations need GMOs.

[@tomahawkx188]

What corporation is golden rice for? The corporation of VAD children?

[@JohnSmith-ds7oi]

@@tomahawkx188 Vitamin A is fat soluble. Golden rice is the reason those third world kids are Vitamin A deficient to begin with. Every NGO in the world wants a piece of that government subsidized action.

[@tomahawkx188]

@@JohnSmith-ds7oi VAD predates GRE by a couple decades. What you say is false.

[@popeyegordon]

@@JohnSmith-ds7oi That is very ignorant and dishonest to say. Golden Rice comes with a mandatory humanitarian patent which bans any profiting off of it by governments or corporations. It is literally the only hope to STOP VAD in developing nations.

[@noahwinslow2692]

Wrong

[@tomcozad14]

GMO advocates like to talk about how good the food is that they are changing. But GMOs are also modifications that allow food to be sprayed with weed killer. Therefore they are hiding the dangerous part of GMOs.

[@davidadcock3382]

Your post is ignorant. Even Organic growers use pesticide many way more toxic. Name the crops that use gmo technology and tell why each one does???

[@kathleencardincpm4435]

This was some pretty lame coverage of a complex issue.

[@anthonylongoria2638]

It really isn't that complex, especially in comparison to other stuff people do

[@SergioSovi]

Ok.. This is NOT "getting to the bottom".. At all. In fact, this interview didn't added any extra information that the average citizen wouldn't generally know.. : /

[@galactictiger2741]

what the hell? did they mention glyphosate ONCE? THAT is the real concern here... and if not for glyphosate, GMOs would not exist...

[@tomahawkx188]

Rainbow papaya, white russet potatoes, bt brinjal, bt sweet corn (not stacked), arctic apple, and many more are NOT glyphosate resistant.

[@JohnSmith-ds7oi]

@@tomahawkx188 Neil Degrauss Tyson didn't mention any of those other pesticides either.

[@tomahawkx188]

@@JohnSmith-ds7oi pesticides are ubiquitous in all farmimg practices.

[@popeyegordon]

No, that is the fake concern of those who have been drawn in by activists and organic farming propaganda. Glyphosate did exist as a de-scaler for years before it was discovered to be the world's safest and least toxic weed killer. It was being used for years before the first GMO was created. Thank goodness FDA and EPA testing of foods no longer finds dangerous levels of Atrazine, paraquat, DDT, fludioxonil, metolaclor, acephate and diazinon. Now they find minute traces of the least toxic herbicide ever formulated, glyphosate, which is 43% less toxic than table salt, and Bt, so non-toxic that organic farmers rely on it heavily. WHAT A DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENT!!!! Anti-GMO idiots claim they want to go back to that nightmare list of much more toxic pesticides. Why???? I can't imagine.

[@godDIEmanLIVE]

Yeah, it's the "real concern" of science deniers.

[@josephineosagie848]

I will need more of this please and you all did well!!

[@brucestrauss]

Who here has tried a Tomato from the supermarket & then tried a Tomato from their Grandmas backyard?? I rest my case.

[@popeyegordon]

No, Bruce opened his case for us to examine it closer. What kind of low grade moron thinks a tomato picked green 3 to 6 days before you taste it should taste the same as one vine ripened and tasted right after picking it, no trucking or refrigeration done? And in any case this has nothing whatsoever to do with GMO food safety or equivalence, the topic of the video and this thread.

[@almostbutnotentirelyunreas166]

Codex Alimentarius on GMO Food Safety: "13. The concept of substantial equivalence is a key step in the safety assessment process. However, it is not a safety assessment in itself;" 'Substantial equivalence' tests content, NOT Safety . www.codexalimentarius.org/download/standards/10021/CXG_045e.pdf Popeye the SHILL: FAIL.

[@JohnSmith-ds7oi]

@@popeyegordon So make a GMO with better taste instead of more pesticide.

[@deannelson9565]

See now if you ask the farmer you could actually get the real answer to your question! You see Tomatoes harvested for grocery stores have to have a thicker skin and tougher meat to survive going through the heavy equipment that it takes the Harvest them not to mention to transport them into boxes and to survive all the rough treatment they go through. Versus the stuff in your grandma's backyard that if you even look at it wrong will go splat!

[@tree4408]

The SEED of grandma's tomatoes came from the same place that grocery store tomatoes. It's sunshine that makes grandma's tomatoes get tasty. I am a life gardener .

[@DawaLhamo]

I took a class on plant genetics in college and it changed the way I think about genetic engineering. There is nothing inherently wrong with genetically modifying plants. Saying GMOs are bad is just painting with too broad strokes. It may be entirely possible that a particular modification is harmful. But requiring labels for GMO products is useless. It tells us virtually nothing. Details are where these things matter. As a gardener, I *do* prefer heirloom varieties, but that's mostly because I'm cheap and I want to be able to save my seed from year to year when possible. Certain plants it doesn't matter because I harvest before it goes to seed anyway. Being able to just run to the grocery store to pick up food if needed helps me to be so picky about it. But if I were a large-scale farmer, suddenly things like losing fields to a particular pest or if I were in a famine-prone area, growing corn that produces extra vitamins might be rather more important.

[@almostbutnotentirelyunreas166]

Sarah: You: "...But requiring labels for GMO products is useless. It tells us virtually nothing." So , Sarah, if every GMO Food 'Event' is so meaningless, why does this database exist.....'cos scientists were bored?? www.isaaa.org/gmapprovaldatabase/default.asp Selective Breeding / hybridization ≠ GMO W.H.O. GMO definition: Excerpt: “ Genetically modified organisms (GMOs) can be defined as organisms (i.e. plants, animals or microorganisms) in which the genetic material (DNA) has been altered in a way that does not occur naturally by mating and/or natural recombination.” www.who.int/foodsafety/areas_work/food-technology/faq-genetically-modified-food/en/ Funny, the real scientists seem to think it it tells quite a lot.

[@MrRogue576]

Judge Chhabria: "plaintiffs have presented evidence from which a reasonable jury could conclude that glyphosate can cause NHL at human-relevant doses. Monsanto's motion for summary judgment is denied”

[@popeyegordon]

It's got months to go. And an appeal could change everything if full legitimate science evidence is not heeded. So far it is a comedy of errors considering the virtual landslide of peer reviewed science evidence of no cancer correlation. 11,000 studies and 284 global organizations all insist there is no cancer risks.

[@sberu9528]

+Popeye an appeal could change everything? REALLY? I'm laughing. Popeye could appeal all he wants to but praying might be better. Let's all say a prayer for popeye. C'mon say it with me; dear god let popeye see the error of his ways and become normal again. 80,000 posts have made him ill and now he wants everybody to stop having children. Please help him see that there is no reason to help Monsanto BAYER, they can lie and cheat perfectly well all by themselves..... AMEN

[@popeyegordon]

"The question at this early phase in the proceedings - the "general causation" phase - is whether a reasonable jury could conclude that glyphosate, a commonly used herbicide, can cause Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma ("NHL") at exposure levels people realistically may have experienced. If the answer is yes, the case moves to the next phase, which addresses whether each particular plaintiff's NHL was caused by glyphosate. If the answer is no, none of the plaintiffs' cases may proceed. And the answer must be no unless the plaintiffs can present at least one reliable expert opinion in support of their position. There are two significant problems with the plaintiffs' presentation, which combine to make this a very close question. First, the plaintiffs (along with some of their experts) rely heavily on the decision by the International Agency for Research on Cancer ("IARC") to classify glyphosate as "probably carcinogenic to humans." This classification is not as helpful to the plaintiffs as it might initially seem. "

[@sberu9528]

+Popeye Gordon if Popeyes in the jury I know he'll be objective.

[@francoskills5928]

@@popeyegordon traitor

[@PeterDB90]

7:10 and 11:06 Why did this person edit the EXACT SAME PORTION of the video into this twice? Also, I'm very skeptical of that claim (that there has never been a case of harm to people or the environment).

[@sberu9528]

Harm? ROUNDUP READY CROPS encourage the use of ROUNDUP. Which internal memos of Monsanto's prove they knew caused cancer for decades and hid the evidence. Google DEWAYNE JOHNSON ROUNDUP

[@popeyegordon]

Peter - Ignore the asshole troll. The answer is this service is free except for some petty ad revenues that take years to amount to anything. Most KZbin videos are amateur or rough, or end suddenly mid-sentence, or have terrible audio and editing unless they were transferred here from media with a larger budget.

[@sberu9528]

+Popeye hahaha what you think everything about this video is not bought and paid for, c'mon pop you know NDT and friends are not amateur anything, they are working for the same people you are. They are professional GMO apologists

[@PeterDB90]

@Popeye Gordon, Soooo... the answer is simply "poor editing?". Oh well. I'm still not convinced about GMOs because the best people to tell you about the subject of GMOs are the experts who work in the field and stand to make money on it. I would expect a sugar producer to tell you that sugar is not that bad for you either - that's just human nature, you will have a bias for your profession. Not saying the geneticist in the video is not credible or not knowledgeable, I'm just stating human flaws that she is not immune to, so it's hard to put my complete trust in her.

[@davesutton9624]

There have been thousands of cases. Monsanto is and will be in court hearings for the next 50 years ! She has been bought ! Waste of time.

[@maestasify]

I don't have anxiety over my food- I eat organic. Better safe than sorry.

[@DrOdTtg]

But do you grow it yourself n actually no it's organic

[@jimmynolan5291]

Biological effects aside think about handing over the right to grow food to a couple of seed companies.

[@shaneh-f8451]

That is the actual problem with GMO crops. We've allowed the narrative to become health and naturalistic ideology, but the problem has always been control of food and agriculture. Allowing monopolies to control basic food crops we are allowing them to write the rule book and change policy because of unprecedented power. They can choke out small farms and force them into dependency on copyrighted seed and expensive chemicals.

[@sberu9528]

That's a nice innocent perception, "seed companies" sounds much better than the actuality. Bayer, big PHARMA, big CHEM, big AG, is "trying" to buy Monsanto, big CHEM, big AG. A 66 billion dollar deal if it's allowed. So it's not "seed companies" it's mega giant chemical corps, that make the pesticides (and made DDT, and agent orange) and reinvent food products in the lab. AND sell the seed. Big? Really big conglomerate chemical, pharmaceutical, agriculture, corporations that make hundreds of billions and contribute hundreds of millions to universities and lawmakers and individuals to create a bright picture of GMOs while those same "contributions" are used to keep their product a secret from the people who eat it, by foiling attempts to label GMO products. Still, 64 countries ban or require labels for GMOs. US soon to join France, Germany, UK, Russia, China, ETC.

[@bartacomuskidd775]

Youre about 80 years too late bub.

[@nipponese]

Well you have to incentivize people to make them. The amount of resources required to design and grow them exceeds the number of people who would participate for truly altruistic motives. The patents expire after 20 years, and 2015 was the first year for some Monsanto GMO patents to expire.

[@CReWS4KIDS]

They are all actually owned by the Umbrella corporation with HQ in Raccoon city. Lookout up , I am serial!!!

[@s.e.hebert7307]

INITIALISM! English/Grammar nerd here. Since he specifically tried to clarify it, have to point out that "abbreviations" that don't make a pronounceable "word" is called an INITIALISM.

[@whatdatal]

"We invented a cow".

[@sberu9528]

Err well we did selectively breed them into existence, kinda like all those different dog breeds. But that was without the help of GMO technology. If you want to be horrified, google GMO cattle. Now that's what they want to do with everything. People are next

[@onegreenev]

@@sberu9528 It is correct to use Genetically Engineered rather than Genetically Modified. We can genetically modify something by cross breeding but when you take a mouse gene and put it into a fish you have created something that could never happen in nature. The ramification of those actions are totally unknown in the scheme of things in the world. Once released into the environment unchecked we have no idea how it will play out. As for different fruits on a single tree you still need a tree of a similar species. You can’t graft a lemon to an almond. You could however gene splice a lemon to an almond. Not sure what you’d get but you could. I can graft an english walnut to a black walnut. I can graft an orange to a lemon. That is a modified tree but the fruit is still the species of the branch grafted to the other tree. It doesn’t become a ormon.

[@onegreenev]

@nemakjack Potatoes and Tomatoes are cross breed. We did not splice genes from different plants or animals to make them edible. We just cross breed them to produce larger and better fruit or tubers to better suit our environment and desire to see what we get. Some times the crosses don't do so well. Sometimes they do great. Yes, eat local and eat less is a good mantra. I am always looking for local grown food and usually from the farmer themselves. We are getting better at that. We do grow some of our own too.

[@onegreenev]

@nemakjack Potatoes allowed to be exposed to the sun can produce the glycoalkaloid poison, solanine. After reading about how the people in South America prepared the potato tuber I don't believe your bit about walking on them to force out poison is a thing. But it was interesting to read about the preparation using the freeze/thaw method the to remove the water. Long lasting and did not need refrigeration. But we still just use cross breeding to make new types of potato and not gene splicing.

[@NextLevelENT718]

whatdatal 🤣 exactly this shyt is mind boggling.

[@johngriffin5446]

What about how much of the chemical round up sprayed on round up corn/soy is integrated into the seed/fruit of the plant?

[@sberu9528]

Roundup ready crops encourage overuse of ROUNDUP, we know that. And we know that we are speaking of many millions of gallons of roundup dousing millions of acres of ROUNDUP READY CROPS. And we know that dangerous levels of ROUNDUP is showing up in Oreo cookies, infant formula, Cheerios and children's cereal, etc.

[@sberu9528]

yes pop has a slightly different take on ROUNDUP than the rest of the world. That $289,000,000 judgement against MONSANTO for lying about the safety of ROUNDUP for decades has shaken up MONSANTO'S new owner. BAYER/FARBEN lost almost fifteen percent of it's stock value in the month since the verdict against MONSANTO was handed down. That amounts to approximately $15,000,000,000 (that's billion) which is just the beginning since there are now more than 9,000 cases pending against MONSANTO. Google ROUNDUP PROBLEMS and you'll see at least four law firms advertising individual and class action suits against ROUNDUP. but trust popeye there is no problem....... Much

[@Channel-th6yz]

@@popeyegordon lol you copy and paste the same paragraphs to different people. Who did you steal it from?

[@Channel-th6yz]

@@popeyegordon you have a video of a guy drinking glyphosate on your page on here!! You are part of the misinformation that it is safe.

[@pidromonz]

@@sberu9528 It's funny. No one can find ONE video stating they get cancer from ORGANIC food, yet when evidence is shown about the GMO, they completely try to dismiss it. How interesting ignorance is.

[@littletraveller5428]

Haven’t watched it yet but I’m sure he says at the end, it’s something we need and it’s perfectly safe

[@emiledlund9559]

Fucking precognizant right here

[@sustainablelife1st]

Yep, nothing to see here, move along...

[@aarone8740]

Which in most all cases would not ever happen if the chicken Littles out there would shut the L up !!!

[@rhondaharmon1900]

Mr. Kennedy literally says we cannot be living in a safer time for food, more abundant food, more nutritious food available to more people - than we are living in right now; so why are we discussing the need for GMO crops in terms of sustainability??? And, as another person also pointed out below, every time Neil deGrasse Tyson asks Pamela Ronald a question - she says the EXACT same sentences about the safety of GMO's. As the interview continues, Pamela Ronald starts discussing the importance of seed. Now my ears perk up. I was waiting for this discussion to be about seeds and the need for GMO seed (to save all of humanity!). I decide to check out her website. I find most of her research is on genetically engineered rice (possibly the infamous "Golden" rice we've been waiting over 10 years for, that was going to save the world and feed millions, that hasn't ever made it to market because it's yields are less than lackluster - only one of the many issues with that GMO crop). Now I am even more curious, so I look at the "Potential Conflict of Interest" section of her site, and what do I find - 3 years of funding provided by Monsanto. Now I'm starting to understand. Wow. Tyson is one of my scientific heroes; I am so shocked that a segment he decides to devote to "getting to the bottom of" an issue, only includes two people in favor of GMO's, and not one scientist with plenty of, supposed "non-existent data" (of which there are many, from many highly respected, cutting edge institutions), to provide an alternative view - and cite the many proven health hazards and ties to disease. I am just so disappointed that this whole segment appears to be nothing more than propaganda to "have the back" of a fellow scientist. Why is anyone with a differing opinion - and perhaps an arsenal of data from reputable studies - always labeled a "quack". Some in the scientific community, who are usually teaming up with our government, want us to trust that they have our health and well being at the heart of what they do and have done exhaustive research to verify the information they are giving us is in our absolute best interest, but only offer one view that is presented as irrefutable evidence and expected to be blindly accepted; only to find out years later that this one view was completely incorrect and harmful to a generation of blind sheep. Ever heard of Ancel Keys? Look him up.

[@rhondaharmon1900]

OMG - and how could I leave out that Ms. Ronald discusses BT toxin and using that in modified crops to kill pests in Bagladesh! BT crops are incredibly controversial with numerous studies showing the harmful affects it has on human health! This is borderline irresponsible. What is going on here?

[@popeyegordon]

Rhonda is hitting all the same notes programmed into the public mind by the organic foods cartel disinformation campaign. Look, the GMO safety debate ended in 2016, this is settled science. Ignore that continued effort to fund and support activist lies for gaining organic foods market share. There will be no fear mongering labels. 11,000 peer reviewed studies from a wide array of sources all find it is benign. Petty posts about one particular video guest and sponsorship by a company that no longer exists are a waste of time. Proof I am not making anything up: www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Markets/The-organic-food-industry-has-been-engaged-in-a-multi-decade-public-disinformation-campaign-claims-report? OnSite& I post no personal opinions and cite sources for all assertions, more than can be said for Rhonda. There is no "arsenal of data" like Rhonda alludes to. If there was she could link it. But I have an arsenal of 11,000 non-activist peer reviewed studies and link every one of them on request. The first 7000 on one page: www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleListURL&_method=list&_ArticleListID=-1216388386&_st=13&filterType=&searchtype=a&originPage=rslt_list&_origin=&_mlktType=&md5=ecd6efff755b29e00ade55da49342c7f

[@popeyegordon]

Rhonda is posting bullshit about Bt, the naturally occurring soil bacteria. First of all, it is heavily used by organic farmers. It is absolutely positively NOT controversial in any legitimate way in 2018. There are no negative health effects on humans but Bt is hell on two species of borer worms and the boll weevil. Her comments are over the borderline irresponsible. Just look at these Bangladesh farmers beaming with joy over their complete success with GMO Bt eggplant developed for them by their own government: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHardqdra9xjhrc If Rhonda had her way these poor farmers would go back to spending 40% of their annual salaries on pesticides they needed to spray 200 days per year!

[@almostbutnotentirelyunreas166]

+ Rhonda Harmon Well done Rhonda, you have trigggered the infamous 'Popeye' troll that infests this thread....go look up what he has to say to ALL the other critical thinkers....you came off lightly by comparison ..... Anyway, if HE is triggered, you are on to truth and actual science....which he can't deal with. Amongst those 11 000 peer-reviewed studies on GMO.....let's ask him to show us JUST ONE CLINICAL HUMAN SAFETY TRIAL...like the Codex Alimentarius recommends for GMO, just ONE! Of course he can't: It has NEVER BEEN DONE....might interfere with the sales curve and such....Human Safety...what a GMO drag!!!!! LOLS.

[@kickAssScience]

Good info

[@mikerawls9619]

everything we eat is GMO. find me a hot dog running around.

[@spacevibrations]

6:51 and 16:57 are the same video clip. So they told her the questions, gave her time to research and prepare her answers, and then tried to trick us into believing that it was a real-time conversation. I'm not anti-GMO, but this isn't helping with the "trust" issues you guys were talking about. You could have just told us it was a pre-recorded video, or had a real call with her, but instead you decided to be dishonest. If what you're saying is true, why the need for this dishonesty?

[@sberu9528]

Hmmm I wonder why?

[@2drealms196]

What is needed is for a foreign country to conduct a longitudinal study on the health effects of the pesticide Delta endotoxin that is produced by Monsanto's BT corn which represents much of US corn produced nowdays. Delta endotoxin destroys the gut of insects, and one has to wonder how it effects the gut flora in humans. New research is coming out how gut flora has a monumental impact on peoples health. I've also heard second hand that gut health issues have skyrocketed in the past 20 years.

[@tomahawkx188]

"New research is coming out how gut flora has a monumental impact on peoples health" (citation needed)

[@2drealms196]

I won't link directly to the research since I could be flagged for spam google these Gut Microbes and the Brain: Paradigm Shift in Neuroscience Can gut bacteria improve your health? Harvard Health Association Study of Gut Flora in Coronary Heart Disease through High-Throughput Sequencing Alzheimer’s disease fueled by gut bacteria, new study finds Infant Gut Microbiome Associated With Cognitive Development

[@tomahawkx188]

... and which one of those suggests a protein that only specifically affects Lepidoptera, a insect gut very different from ours, miraculously affects humans?

[@tomahawkx188]

BTW this is thoroughly reviewed in the NAS report

[@tomahawkx188]

doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0033668

[@TheZod00]

Why does Chuck seem so awkward and insecure? He is usually so vibrant and comical.

[@luislara31]

he looked like he had to use the bathroom.

[@billbush-t5x]

Ask yourself, if GMOs are so wonderful, why not a big decal on the front of the package that says awesome new GMO product instead of doing everything to keep you from knowing it?? It's not even on most labels now, you have to scan code for more label info.

[@DukeGMOLOL]

It's on most labels. It shouldn't be on any label, it's a plant breeding method not an ingredient.

[@lancsFrogger]

"we've been modifying organisms ever since the dawn of agriculture" not by firing heavy metals coated with foreign DNA through the protective layer of a plants cell wall using particle beam cannons

[@Luemm3l]

true. Instead, we bombarded them with alpha-radiation to actually DESTROY some genes and then crossbreed it and look what gives. Funny thing is, no one screams for safety studies for them and yet they are sold on a daily basis as organic, Bio-food. Hypocrisy much?

[@sberu9528]

+Luemm3l wow Frankenstein's monster would have been a different guy entirely even only a few things had been removed from a live dude. Taking things out? That's very different from putting pesticide, bacteria and virus in. Public law 114-216 hell people it's over, we finally get to choose based on information instead of ignorance. All those big chem gloms could buy from our fearless lawmakers was watered down labeling, even hundred million dollar "contributions" couldn't stop the dreaded GMO LABEL. Information not ignorance, soon we will all know what we are eating

[@darthmcgee2216]

Batta Beru You ate GMOs today and yesterday and the day before that. You will eat GMOs tomorrow, next week and until the day you die. Your "organic" sticker is nothing but a racket to get chumps to over pay. Investigations have shown hundreds of fruits and veggies grown on the same farm in the same patch being divided up into regular and "Organic" bins. You have have been mighilty duped.

[@Luemm3l]

not gonna even start to argue with you there, since you know jackshit... have a happy life living clueless, judging things you do not understand

[@sberu9528]

+Luemm3l oh well I'm sure you know that those hundred BILLION Dollar chemical conglomerates don't advertise AND they have "contributed" hundreds of millions to lawmakers worldwide to keep their food product a secret. And even with all the lobbying and influence peddling they couldn't stop public law 114-216, which passed with bipartisan support and will soon require GMO labeling in the US. You missed the memo, I guess, 64 countries ban or require labeling of GMOs, including the UK, France, Germany, China, and Russia. None of them know in your own words " jackshit" and judge things they don't understand ..... Harharhar, I'm laughing

[@rjvtechnologies]

correction... man when started with agriculture or breading cattle was not modifying genes but pre selecting genes found in nature and favored them, also irradiation(microwave) fermentation(wine, cheese) and others modify the genes by destruction and not re assembly into something different from the original

[@popeyegordon]

*ALL READERS - NEVER LISTEN TO A BARELY LITERATE GAMING GEEK REGARDING CROP SCIENCE!!* This loser is very science illiterate. He does not know the difference between fermentation and genetic alterations. There is no destruction, only random and deliberate attempted DNA changes to make better crops for humans. This loser is the one needing many corrections. It is solar and nuclear irradiation that may cause both desired and undesired mutations. Microwaves only heat food.

[@vic9332]

"not s single case of harm." I know of six workers who got ill after grinding GMO corn with deep sea organism genes. All developed allergies to shellfish.

[@popeyegordon]

That's a fucking lie. No such GMO exists. What the fuck is wrong with you? Why would you work so hard to post bald faced lies? We only have the glyphosate tolerant gene and the Bt gene code in corn. Maybe the corn was added to oyster shells for added calcium? That is a common ingredient in livestock feed, especially chicken feed. In that case it was not "deep sea organism genes" but simply shells with no DNA present and your alleged friends had dust inhalation issues. If an incident is not documented and reviewed by experts and written into a peer reviewed paper it is not legitimate, your personal second hand testimony is not proof and as a result the statement in the video is correct.

[@sberu9528]

"that is a ------ lie"...... "What the ------ is wrong with you" these could all be used to describe your posts pop, but only by a fool who thinks harsh language is more credible than "peer reviewed science speak" would write such a thing. c'mon pops at least make the effort to sound normal.

[@vic9332]

It was corn for ethanol, not intended to be eaten. The deep sea organism changed the heating properties, attempting to reduced the heat needed to extract ethanol from corn. My husband was one of the workers who got sick. Thanks for your concern Popeye Gordon.

[@vic9332]

Syngenta paid my husband six months of pay and terminated his job. Who is going to 'peer review' that? They hid it. My husband had to change careers due to extreme allergies and was no longer able to be anywhere near any kind of corn again. The concern is that corn pollen can travel for miles on the wind and cross pollinate with food corn...which is why Syngenta puts their test crops in poor countries where people have little means to protest.

[@sberu9528]

+that's good enough for normal people Vic. And aaa yeah foul mouthed popeye kinda stepped in it, didn't he? He's so used to thinking he knows more than any one else, that he could use foul language and act like you didn't know what you were talking about. Sorry about that, but I can tell you're not scared to tell the truth. Thank you

[@matthewdeoliveira2073]

Conventional breeding and hybridization are not forms of GMO.

[@matthewdeoliveira2073]

Selective breeding is what I meant.

[@popeyegordon]

You are correct. Nor did Tyson attempt to suggest otherwise. But he did explain why the difference is moot. Only the final outcome matters.

[@matthewdeoliveira2073]

@@popeyegordon Nope. It's not moot. Genetic engineering is not at all the same as those others. He did say that we have been genetically modifying things since the dawn of agriculture. The point he is making is that they are the same so we shouldn't care. It's not based on any knowledge of the subject. It's just an attempt to put the argument to rest so there will be no more resistance to it. It's the same thing "science" tried to do with high fructose corn syrup. It's bullshit.

[@popeyegordon]

@@matthewdeoliveira2073 No, no and no. When we drive a nail it goes in just the same whether we use a steel, golden or high tech laser guided hammer. HFCS is now vindicated under the new GE labeling laws - it is illegal to label GMO derived refined sugars or oils as GE because all DNA has been removed from refined foods. Organic, heirloom and GMO crops all produce a chemically identical end product. Yes HFCS is bad for our glycemic index but so is organically derived HFCS. But you should be willing to admit that KZbin is jam packed with bullshit that should be put to rest like chemtrails and anti-vaccine nonsense. Education puts an end to misguided resistance not with a cudgel but with proven facts verified by peer review.

[@TheAwesomes2104]

GMO, genetically modified organism. To modify is to make changes to. Conventional breeding and hybridization work through the organism's genes being changed... I mean, I understand that when you refer to GMO's colloquially you mean an organism that's genetics have been modified through more modern means rather than genetically modified through conventional methods, but in both cases the genetics of the organisms have been modified. It's just one of those unfortunately vague terms that is a breeding ground for confusion and anti-science propaganda. Just like chemical vs physical sunscreen makes one look scarier than the other, but both are chemicals, or "chemical-free" products that are made out of septillions of chemicals.

[@not2tees]

The title should read Neil deGrasse Tyson skims the surface of GMOs.

[@popeyegordon]

Fair enough, it's a huge topic. NO KZbin video can be comprehensive on this topic in an hour. But they should stimulate your curiosity to a point where you want to learn more. Free genetics basics reviews and daily news on the topic is offered to the public at the non-profit GeneticLiteracyProject.org.

[@sberu9528]

+ puh leezz popeye the Genetic Literacy Project is non profit because Monsanto pays all the bills. GLP is run by Jon Entine who "consults" for Monsanto. Google "Jon Entine MONSANTO" if you doubt popeye is a lying GMO shill

[@not2tees]

Popeye is a world expert on GMOs but just as if, very much like, and uncannily similar to, a paid employee of the GMO pushers, he will argue till doomsday every corner of the questions, always pro-GMO, as if GMOs were holy. He POPs up in very many videos that address the GMO topic. I've met his kind before.

[@popeyegordon]

not2tee YOU are the only one who claimed I'm an expert. I only have the skills to do searches to find the information from experts while ignoring all the activist lies, your weakness. But no matter you totally fucked the dog by playing that shill card, your forfeit of this debate. You just let me win by default, even if you were right(and you are not). Playing the shill gambit is always a forfeit of the debate at hand. It is a shitty form of cheating by trying to poison the well rather than countering with a cogent refutation that might prove your point or win a debate. I see lameoids pull this stupid blunder 10 times a day in the GMO debate. If you want to prove a fault in science, use the tools scientists use, peer reviewed studies and unbiased information sources. If you don't have solid evidence, consider what a fool you are being. Shill shill shill just makes you look like a blathering idiot and forfeits every time, the win goes to science truth. Explained simply here(or in the dictionary of your choice): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well This is especially ludicrous when you consider the GMO safety debate ended two full years ago and no company for profit anywhere would spend a single penny paying a "shill" to promote something already attained.

[@popeyegordon]

That fucking troll asshole Batta is lying as usual, the non-profit GLP has a 'highly reliable' Pro-science rating from this site: mediabiasfactcheck.com/genetic-literacy-project/

[@quique7764]

Personally I don't a lot of people distrust GMO but corporations like Monsanto who profit off them.

[@popeyegordon]

Number of people or animals killed by GMO food worldwide: 0 Number of people who got sick from GMO foods worldwide: 0 Number of global catastrophes caused by GMOs: 0 Number of farmers who are non-profit: 0 Number of corporations that are non-profit: 0

[@amdenis]

I have a problem with some GMO'S, like the widely used pesticide generating one that "dissuades pests from consuming the plant and sickens or kills many that do" , which are supposedly only be toxic to insects, rodents and other pests. The fact that, as many others have observed, we found that our chickens and wild birds would not eat the GMO feeds we tried (would just sit in the feeders for weeks), but ate the non-GMO and organics. We tried this repeatedly across several brands, and the results were completely consistent. I would still not call that definitive, since it needs bigger sample sizes, double/triple blind methodology, etc. However, many others have seen this as well, including scientists studying this issue. It is critically important to note that there are many types of GMO technologies, methods and results, and to lump them all together and saying they are all bad, or they are all effectively safe, is naive at best, or ignorant at worst. The dangers are in ignoring the specifics, and we all need to know what type of GMO we are talking about, as there are many methods and resulting possibilities. Also, many things are only possible via GM methods, so it is a false analogy to just lump it together with standard cross-breeding that has had the environmental and other systemic benefits of millions of years of refinements. Another example that happens to be bad for humans is the Round-up resistant strains, which has led to the reality of using significantly more glyphosate than was used before. Unfortunately that additional GMO-Enabled glyphosate used goes into the plants through the soil and water, resulting in significantly higher levels in the plants and grains consumed by us-- or not consumed by the wild birds, chickens and studies show rats who often eschew it; seemingly smarter than many humans. Another subject is that we need to understand more about the longer form DNA "sentences" and "phrases", and not just assume that it is always okay to use bacterial or viral agents to change a few "letters", without regard to the method used, nor the types of changes possible. Many scientists still refer to much DNA as "junk DNA' (the sheer hubris amazes me), rather than thinking there is a reason for that other roughly 94% of DNA they refer to as "junk DNA". However, we tend to follow and support paths that we begin to go down, on any side of this or other issue, so we need to be careful of human confirmation bias on both sides of this particular issue. Finally, to say that there are no incidents of bad effects and that it is as safe as table salt is either disingenuous and/or ignorant. There is a reason that sensitivity, adverse reaction and related statistics are used in pharmacology, rather than saying something like "it is as safe as...". Nothing is ever as safe as something else, as people and other organisms vary in terms of how well, poorly or adversely they respond to virtually every substance. Whenever you hear blanket statements on either side of an issue as complex as this, you should question the merits of what is being said.

[@sberu9528]

DONT WORRY TOMMY WILL REVEAL THE SECRET WHEN WE ARE READY. MEANTIME TRUST HIM

[@phosphorus4]

Even 'table salt can be…not so good…

[@manictiger]

Nah, you can trust Monsanto. Remember, Round-Up is 100% safe! Remember to drink 64 ounces a day!

[@ThalesPo]

Agreed. The point is to genetically modify so they can apply more toxic pesticides. So how can that be harmless?

[@davidval7188]

Andrew Denis. Thanks Denis. Well said. I dont understand how so called scientist could over look the fact that they are growing food that contains bulit in pesticides that we must ingest if ww eat the food.

[@stevebutrimas9972]

So where did the controversy come from?

[@popeyegordon]

The disinformation campaign of the organic foods industry has been going on for over a full human generation.

[@quantummotion]

These presenters totally miss the crucial point. When you have thousands of farmers breeding plants and animals in the open air and to their respective local environments, you have diversified foodstock with desired traits. When Monsanto does it, its done in a lab with the seed patented, and no diversification. So what happens when a new blight comes along? In the first case, the diversification insures survival. With Monsanto, the seed stock which is the same sold around the world, the chances are much higher that the world wide crop will get wiped out. Monsanto needs to make a profit and pay its shareholders. It has no incentive to diversify its seeds, and will sue other companies with its patents so that no other company will sell a different seed with desired traits. This situation is like when you invest your money. Wisdom demands you diversify your investments so potential gains and losses are spread over an entire portfolio. The Monsanto case is similar to you putting all of your money in one managed investment, because their investment managers are saying that their investment model insures profitability every year. Only idiots would be taking that kind of risk. We would be idiots for gambling our food security on a non diversified foodstock. Monsanto cannot predict the next blight. Once a successful blight starts, we have to use herbicides and pesticides to stop it, so what was the benefit to using Monsanto seeds again? Just because you have a bunch of PhDs telling you that we should go the Monsanto route, it is no guarantee that these folks have PROPERLY looked at the risks. Indeed, it seems like their diving into the genetic details has made them blind to the risks. As what your grannie would say, these "folks cant see the forest from the trees".

[@Deathtoal00]

Bananas are still here, basically all of your everyday supermarket bananas are genetically identical and have been for a long time, they're still here

[@Deathtoal00]

Oh I'm not at all arguing against GMO, if done properly its definitely the best answer to food shortage due to an ever growing population and changes in climate. Just simply an example of a genetically identical crop dying out and being brought back. All would not be lost, it would have a much bigger impact if it were something like rice or grain but it wouldn't be the end of the world. Besides, farmers aren't stupid, they'd never use seed from a single identical source especially when they have so much diversification right now to continue on with.

[@sberu9528]

+Matt Newton did you miss the memo we aren't talking farmers here, we're talking hyper mega ultra chemical, pharmaceutical, agricultural, conglomerates. These guys are hundred billion dollar machines to make profit. They create and copyright the seed, grow it, spray it, fertilize it, harvest it and sell it, hell they own the super markets, support the AG universities and their political "contributions" and lobbying make them a well oiled capitalist dream machine. BUT even then the government created P L 114-216 mandatory labeling.

[@HippopotamusPencil]

Batta Beru, You missed his point entirely. Matt said, almost explicitly, that if a blight knocks out most of a crop, then we will create a new crop that is resistant to this blight. This will be done by these "hyper mega ultra chemical, pharmaceutical, agricultural, conglomerates" (just fyi, a lot of the words you use signify that you have an axe to grind). This will not be done by small scale farmers. Once the problem is overwhelming, all the greediest companies will find an alternative, and take this alternative. "These guys are hundred billion dollar machines to make profit." So they will do everything in their power to make sure their crops still grow and sell. It should be noted that lobbying against GMOs is at least as prevalent as lobbying for GMOs.

[@sberu9528]

+Andreas Egeland dude you are so gullible. The reason crops get knocked out is because of monoculture GMOs are monoculture. They add bacteria and viruses to your food to make it easier for GIANT AGCHEMPHARMA companies to monoculture thousands and thousands of acres. The reason they don't advertise to the people who eat it is, what? Altruism? The reason they spent hundreds of millions to keep their food products a secret from the people who eat it is? Oh yeah they're humble and don't want to take any credit for solving world hunger. Rrriigghhttt

[@mogambo55]

Human studies show that GMO apples can cause allergies. Sharma P, et al. “Allergenicity assessment of osmotin, a pathogenesis-related protein, used for transgenic crops.” J Agric Food Chem. 2011;59(18):9990-9995.

[@popeyegordon]

Man that sure is desperate. A 7 year old study, the ONLY ONE, compared to 11,000 peer reviewed verified published GMO safety studies that all find no problems including elevated allergenicity. Readers note how he does not include an actual link, hoping you won't look at the study but just take his word for it. I back my assertions with links. Here are 7000 on one page, 4000 more on request: www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleListURL&_method=list&_ArticleListID=-1216388386&_st=13&filterType=&searchtype=a&originPage=rslt_list&_origin=&_mlktType=&md5=ecd6efff755b29e00ade55da49342c7f

[@sberu9528]

+Pop says trust the man behind the curtain. Monsanto? No problem, so they were kicked out of the EU? So what? Tampering with safety studies? No they wouldn't do that....... Would they? Monsantos name is so toxic that BAYER, who had to change their name from I G FARBEN after producing Zyklon B to aid Hitlers genocide, will erase that name from Monsanto products in the hope we will forget their sins. Will we?

[@mogambo55]

There are over 800 studies on PubMed on Monsanto’s Roundup and glyphosates so there is more than one study showing GMO dangers and its by-products. Good luck Pops copying and pasting your “manure” all over KZbin. If you used your words as fertilizer you could grow some great crops!

[@almostbutnotentirelyunreas166]

Popeye: Yeah: Only one you say....BUT IT IS A HUMAN ALLERGINICTY STUDY!! Get it yet, you IDIOT? HUMAN STUDY SAFETY FAIL!!! THAT IS WHY THERE AREN'T ANY HUMAN TOXICOLOGY STUDIES: THEY"D OVERWHELMINGLY FAIL! And GMO Corp knows.....yet they keep producing and selling their unlabelled, insiduous POISON.

[@MultiArtisme]

Evidently this isn't the full show. I'll click along and see if I can get at the full show. But, my concern with GMO and the big ag companies is they modify so that you can't use the seeds the next season and that the their plants cause cross pollination with neighboring farmers so they don't get seeds either. So my concern is biodiversity. I know this is happening because I saw it on The Good Wife.

[@milana2020]

Tell me more

[@TheFarmacySeedsNetwork]

I really hate when people muddy the waters between natural selection and genetic engineering. There is a massive difference! Donald Miller said it right on!

[@popeyegordon]

No, sorry, there is no difference that matters. Only the outcome matters, a new beneficial mutation. There are no rules except in your genetically illiterate mind. Same with driving a nail - a steel or gold hammer will drive a nail the same way with the same result. Massive difference is the motions we go through, ZERO difference at all in the desired result except that we save YEARS or DECADES by not using the slow antiquated way of selective breeding. Nature makes the exact same mutations over 4.3 billion years of random mutations but there was no scientist there to recognize and collect the randomly mutated glyphosate resistant seed when it happened somewhere on earth more than once. Natural selection had no reason to let the glyphosate resistant gene mutation prosper in the wild so it had no competitive advantage there, the advantage is limited to a farmer's field.

[@sberu9528]

+Popeye Gordon wrong again pop that's why 65 countries require GMO labels at the very least and many ban GMOs completely like Germany does.

[@TheFarmacySeedsNetwork]

Nature does not inject genes from completely different species. Glyphosphate resistant seed was developed in a lab through genetic engineering... it is NOT a natural gene. Additionally, glyphosphate actually locks up maganese and zinc both in plants and humans(thats HOW it works) and has a massive negative effect. (Look up all the things maganese and zinc are part of in biological systems).

[@popeyegordon]

The Farmacy - ignore the asshole troll. What I'm telling you is simple and elegant, only the outcome matters. The method by which a mutation is caused is irrelevant. Evolution made every possible haphazard kind of mutation happen over 4.3 billion years. Everything from lightning to cosmic rays to asteroid strikes to mitosis errors or cancers. No one cause is more relevant than any other, it's just a matter of efficiency now. Humans have developed the most efficient ways and that continues to evolve. More and more desired mutations will be achieved quickly in labs by gene editing CRISPR technology now, that translates to lower cost and faster responses to rapid climate change emergencies, all the existing GMO patents will be expired within 20 years, the first GMO soybeans have been off patent for 5 years, they are generic and cheap now. I can guarantee you a farmer won't ask what laboratory method was used before he buys that high performance generic soybean seed.

[@sberu9528]

hahaha the mutation apology gambit. Only thing is evolution is a "natural" process. There is no chance that ROUNDUP READY CROPS would exist without the labs at MONSANTO. That's not even a stupid statement. Ignore the man behind the curtain, he believes that having children is a crime against humanity, meat eating is irresponsible, there is no god and we should all trust him and MONSANTO

[@yasinabaka]

The entities that promulgate genetically modified foods have investigated their work and concluded that their genetically modified foods are safe.

[@sberu9528]

Yeah, trust them...... Right?

[@lulzdragon7339]

As well as every other other agricultural research division on earth.

[@sam0_020]

Seeing some of these comments makes me so happy. I did my high school senior project on GMOs and the future of genetic engineering. I spent months of my life researching this topic(and I’m still trying to keep up with new info as of today) and it’s clear the GMOs are very important to our society and are not a threat in any way. My favorite GM food is golden rice because it’s High in vitamin A and it’s cheap enough that it could be sent to third world countries to help feed those who lack nutritional food. In addition to GMO food, a lot of medicine including insulin, Zmapp, Recombinant Human Clotting Factor VIII, TPA, Enzyme Dornase Alpha, lactase, and many more have been created using genetic engineering. Without genetic engineering, many people would be dead. The only reason why people hate gmos is because Monsanto is an evil corporation and a lot of propaganda has caused people to hate GMOs without thinking for themselves. It’s so easy to do research on this stuff and yet people are too lazy to do so. I’ve even tried to look into some websites and articles that suggest GMOs are actually bad but they make no sense, spread false information, and they are always biased. It’s so easy to discredit any study that shows GMOs are bad(sloppy lab work, the scientists were bribed, the scientists had previously worked for Monsanto but got fired causing bitterness). Any company that says GM food is bad are just trying to sell you their product. They don’t care if you’re healthy or not, they just see a way to make money off of fear. Also: GMOs do not cause cancer, they are not “randomly injected chemicals” or “random genes from evil evil bacteria that is going to hurt us”,they are not growth hormones in your food, they are not themselves pesticides or preservatives, and no they won’t give your kids autism.

[@popeyegordon]

Congrats on being more genetically literate than 99.9% of all KZbin commenters!

[@sberu9528]

+Popeye yeah that high school senior project puts him right there with you shill boy

[@sberu9528]

+Popeye The triggered foul mouthed nut. Damn pop are you really childless because it's bad for the world to have kids? That'll end the GMO problems there won't be anybody left to eat them soon, given your philosophy

[@almostbutnotentirelyunreas166]

Sam Beane So how come the Codex Alimentarius recommends clinical / toxicological Human Trials on GMO Foods BEFORE RELEASE TO THE PUBLIC, but after 20 YEARS OF UNLABELLED SALE, none have ever been done? Hell, butter, eggs, cheese, trans-fats, Coca Cola have clinical studies ALL the Time.......GMO never! I don't have your 'specially informed' opinion, but the the above FLAGS HEAVILY against the alleged 'Proven SAFETY' of GMO food.

[@popeyegordon]

Human safety feeding trials study that trolls say do not exist: "So "why don't we do clinical trials on GMOs the same way we do for drugs?" Drugs are designed to cause a change in the human body: that's the whole point behind them. Since drugs are altering something in humans, it's important to know the side-effects that they may cause and whether or not they're causing the anticipated effect (i.e. is it better than placebo). In contrast, GMOs are designed to be equivalent to their non-GE counterparts: they aren't drugs or nutritional supplements." geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/01/13/no-long-term-gmo-studies-humans/ Golden rice is an exception since it is designed to make a change in the human body with Vit. A, human testing was done. Here is the study that verified the human safety trials: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2682994/

[@LovingAtlanta]

😩Come on!! SERIOUSLY! Too many jokes during an important topic. Definitely lost some respect here especially for Neil (and I love him & can usually agree with or connect with what he says). There is definitely something going on here with them trying to make us think GMOs are safe & confusing past & ancient farming with the mess we have today! 😡

[@br33zy771]

it's a conspiracy! Stay in your house, they are watching you at all times. Start your planning now for your underground bunker. Prepare my friend... Winter is coming...

[@deadvex]

agreed! we better watch out for that steel beam melting jet fuel that they are spraying on bigfoot at area 51. i heard the lochness monster was also a gmo.. but thats just crazy talk.

[@sberu9528]

+Rhyan Xyvenn beware the organic conspiracy is gonna make hippie zombies out of all the people who eat the new wonderbread, you know the GMO one that stays fresh for ever.

[@bobkeeler5964]

I don't think we should blindly trust anyone with our food sources...Obviously the best way to eat would be growing your own food yourself (that way you know the exact history of it before you ingest it into your body). This woman repeats herself several times during this short interview that GMO's have been around for 40yrs. Obviously she is in the developmental chain of GMO's and would naturally be biased for any such product, so I don't know someone like this is the best person to ask if GMO's are safe for the human body and the environment. I try to eat as cleanly and healthy as I can and I try to avoid as many foreign chemicals as I can in my food , home environment, personal care products, etc... and there is nothing wrong with that. I will never blindly trust the government or any organization just because they say something is "safe".

[@sberu9528]

YES

[@popeyegordon]

NO. Poor editing cause some repetition not actually spoken more than once by that expert.

[@sberu9528]

poor editing? Hahaha, that's funny, you've got three shills giving scripted questions and answers trying weakly to sound spontaneous and like volunteers and they have to edit it anyway and they can't even do that well. Laughable

[@sberu9528]

I hate when popeye runs away and deletes his posts

[@sberu9528]

Tyson knows nothing about GMOs and tells us so in this bought and paid for GMO propaganda site

[@popeyegordon]

Playing the shill gambit is always a forfeit of the debate at hand. It is a shitty form of cheating by trying to poison the well rather than countering with a cogent refutation that might prove your point or win a debate. I see lameoids pull this stupid blunder 10 times a day in the GMO debate. If you want to prove a fault in science, use the tools scientists use, peer reviewed studies and unbiased information sources. If you don't have solid verifiable evidence, consider what a fool you are being.

[@bob2ride]

@@popeyegordon Well said. Humans have been modifying the genetics of farmed crops for thousands of years. Corn or wheat as they exist today have been modified since the bronze age. Hybridization is genetic modification.

[@MarkTaylorCanfield]

OK so the major argument for GMO's is simply to make fun of people who are concerned? That is hubris - arrogant and ignorant. It is not scientific or rational. Scientists and documentary filmmakers are not immune to this kind of condescending attitude toward the "general public". The result is even more mistrust of authority figures who somehow think they are much more intelligent than the average person. This approach will not alleviate people's "anxiety" over genetic engineering which they consider to be a little spooky and unnatural (like introducing genes from a virus into a corn plant, etc.) And why did they feel it necessary to repeat word for word her statement that GMO's are safe? I felt like I was being indoctrinated into some kind of science cult via well calculated propaganda devices. And that is kind of spooky!

[@sberu9528]

Well you're feelings were spot on, it was such a ham handed attempt to hide the fact that their was no opposing opinion. Pam's "organic" farmer is supposed to represent all objective sane concerned folks but he doesn't quite, does he?

[@popeyegordon]

Wrong. Laughing at the willfully ignorant who come to KZbin to watch the quackery videos from several hundred fake doctors, chiropractors and naturopaths is laughable. You exhibit some sort of perverted resentment against the unassailable authority that peer reviewed science presents in your face. That's your problem. In your mind, no doubt all educators are "arrogant and ignorant". Let me guess - you struggled in school.

[@sberu9528]

+Popeye says trust me, all those negative KZbin videos? those are fakes, me? Popeye, I am the real thing, ROUNDUP doesn't cause cancer and just because a judge and jury award $289,000,000 to some poor guy with non Hodgkin's lymphoma, doesn't mean a thing, all those people were fake too. Trust popeye, eat the food they spend millions on to keep it a secret from those who eat it.

[@XxToXicVaGxX]

Mark Taylor-Canfield Mark Taylor-Canfield okay a couple of things. Number one: whenever it comes to biology, specifically plant biology, that woman knows more than either of us could ever know. She has dedicated her entire life to it. By making the presumption that she’s just “a little” smarter than you on the subject would be a gross understatement, and it’s illogical to me that you don’t think she is by far smarter on this topic than the general public. Second: They did give reasoning, as in when they said that the scientific community had reached a consensus on the subject. Reaching a consensus in science is actually much harder than people realize. Someone is constantly hoping that they can prove you wrong and get famous and get some type of research funding off of your mistakes. The fact that despite things like that trying to oppose it, that this idea still prevails as the dominant way of thinking is some pretty strong evidence. Third: I understand being skeptical of things, but whenever they have evidence, and all you have is that the media has been telling you something, and it’s the way you feel, they almost have nothing else to do but laugh. It’s just ridiculous. Last thing I promise: I’m sure there are instances of virus and bacterial genomes in our crops. I mean hell even us human beings have a lot of viral DNA within our own DNA. If it can do that with a more complex organism like humans I’m pretty sure it can sneak into some corn

[@michaeltemple2457]

Why the repeat parts of her interview?

[@Greg042869]

We need to preserve Neil's head and keep it alive in a jar so that we can poke him in the eye when the human DNA code unravels because of all the GMO's.

[@popeyegordon]

You are an idiot.

[@fredcraven1699]

Huge difference between genetic engineering and selective breeding, and they're trying to act like selective breeding is genetic manipulation not even close

[@popeyegordon]

No difference in outcome. All breeding methods have the same goal and only the final achievement matters. A steel or golden hammer drives a nail exactly the same. gmo.geneticliteracyproject.org/FAQ/how-does-genetic-engineering-differ-from-conventional-breeding/ www.uh.edu/~trdegreg/genetic_engineering_not_significantly.htm

[@BYGODYOUARESPECIAL1]

Why the edit at 6m. 50s. ? What was said after that? This scientist did not give an explanation or the reason about what the problem was about "seed" that necessitates genetic engineering. Anyone have the unedited interview ?

[@iisaka_station]

This is all well and fine and I'm not saying that I'm an expert or anything else...but how does this explain my painful diarrhea that I have when I eat GMO corn, that I do not have when I eat organic? Thanks

[@popeyegordon]

Where are you getting GMO corn? It's for livestock. A few types of sweet corn are GMO, mostly not. And it could be the specific variety of corn you digest differently, or even the geographic location where it was grown, not the breeding method used to create the seed. GMO is never an actual ingredient, it is a breeding method. You have never eaten hybridization soup, a seed selection sandwich or a bowl of grafting. Do you refer to grafted apple varieties as graft apples? Do you call bread made from hybrid wheat hybrid bread? You only refer to "GMO corn" because organic farmers fund activists who use fear mongering in an attempt to alter your perception of GMO foods to get you to buy more organic produce. Russian trolls joined this effort to sell more Russian grains. GMO seed grows plain old food. Organic foods are contaminated with both conventional and organic approved pesticides. Did you know organic apple orchards are sprayed with pesticides 26 times each season? www.agdaily.com/crops/worth-it-pay-more-organic-apples/

[@iisaka_station]

Thank you for taking the time to write this response. I don't really know what I've bought in the past as far as variety or location where it was grown but it's worth looking into. All I know is that there has been a difference in my digestive response if I buy organic corn at Walmart/Publix, or whatever big store vs. non-organic corn at the same stores. Thanks again.

[@popeyegordon]

Most produce department managers are willing to tell you their sources for the corn. Just don't mention it makes you sick and they will tell you what they know first. If you are buying it husks on, it is not getting sprayed anyways. Remember GMO corn farmers only spray their crops once at 3 weeks into the growth cycle before the corn ears are even starting to grow, and glyphosate is the least toxic herbicide known to science. After that the crop shades out any weeds as it grows tall. Many older people avoid fresh corn of all types because it can fill pockets in your aging colon, giving you diverticulitis which is a bacterial infection. GMO Bt corn produces a very specific protein that kills borer worm pests, small chance you are reacting to that but remember organic farmers use Bt spray heavily as it is a natural thing.

[@sberu9528]

hahaha popeye can't see the Forrest for the GMO industrial monster corn. Don't let our resident troll fool you, he just doesn't want you to know the facts. FACT 1, MONSANTO has been lying about ROUNDUP. It was revealed in court that they hid negative safety studies for decades. Result $289,000,000 judgement for DEWAYNE JOHNSON, the non/Hodgkin's lymphoma victim of ROUNDUP EXPOSURE, 8,000 cases pending. Google it if your stomach is strong. Fact 2...dangerously high residues of ROUNDUP are appearing everywhere: Infant formula, Oreos, kid's cereal, in light of the carcinogenic qualities of this best selling pesticide in the world, this news is troubling to say the least. Oh and the connection between GMOs and ROUNDUP? Fact 3...MONSANTO created ROUNDUP READY CROPS which are not effected by ROUNDUP. CORN, SOY BEANS, SUGAR BEATS, CANOLA, ETC. Are all sprayed with ROUNDUP repeatedly because of the new generations of ROUNDUP RESISTANT WEEDS. it's a toxic mess and your guts don't lie.

[@PaddyyYY]

The topic is so much more complex, just focussing on the "unreasonable distrust" in GMOs and whether or not current GMOs are "toxic" is negligent.

[@iwatchkittenvids45]

Rulin also she claimed no ill effects but how can that be determined? That science/research isn't there. Chronic comorbities are on the rise and yet GMOs are so invasive - as she stated - that's it's nigh impossible to dispute that claim. Nevertheless a human health hazard but what of an ecological standpoint. Need we look to the the Gros Michel and the Caverndish?

[@alainpannetier2543]

Thomas Y _"Scientific studies have demonstrated repeatedly that GMO's are not harmful to humans and yet you still fear them?"_ repeating a lie does not make a truth. If I can harm a mouse with Bt crops, I can also harm a human. *Stop the bulshit.* I can smell a Monsanto troll here...

[@alainpannetier2543]

The BIO industry loves it when Glyphosate is renewed. They sell even more. *The more pesticide in the food, the more customers and money for the organic producers.* So your usual *technique of symmetrisation* is not working here, Mr troll. *_You_** are the troll!*

[@alainpannetier2543]

I can see some progress: you admit that glyphosate is toxic. Now guess what: Even less toxic than glyphosate exist: no herbicide at all. And whether you like it or not, plenty of farmers are already doing so. And not necessarily in the organic market. Although of course, some are making much more money once they pass the certification. Look here, Mister Troll (I know you're a troll because you always go back to silly argument like red-meat, attacking the highly respected IARC, resort to insults and profanities, and just can admit defeat). kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6eUnZiXeJ1mjK8

[@alainpannetier2543]

_"ALL SUBSTANCES are toxic in a high enough concentration/dosage."_ And glyphosate is a poison specifically designed to be toxic even in as low concentrations as 1.5 liter per ha. Sorry but my gut is not that broad... I'd rather avoid. Especially if IARC says it's a probable carcinogen.

[@popeyegordon]

Number of people or animals killed by GMO food worldwide: 0 Number of people who got sick from GMO foods worldwide: 0 Number of global catastrophes caused by GMOs: 0

[@thomasschodt7691]

So far...

[@popeyegordon]

@@thomasschodt7691 35 years, over a full human generation. All positive. It is ignorant and impossible to insist on proving a negative. The first one was GMO insulin and every day, 300 million Americans eat cheese, which is a GMO process food.

[@popeyegordon]

@@thomasschodt7691 37 years - that's well over a full human generation. 11,000 peer reviewed studies and articles have failed to find conclusive harm of any kind. The GMO safety debate officially ended forever in 2018. Only trolls and organic shills attack it now.

[@ramaraksha01]

I love Tyson & have admired him but this is one video that is frankly disgusting to watch. I am not against GMO's, so we agree there but to dismiss the concerns like at 19:00 is frankly childish. Have an opposing view here, bring a farmer in who can tell you about the problems - this was a cloying video that was hard to watch

[@sberu9528]

That's what objective means

[@popeyegordon]

Farmers love their GMOs. There would be no industry unless they did in fact embrace them. No industry is completely without problems. Or can you name one? This video was 100% objective, every word of it.

[@sberu9528]

+ as usual popeye speaks in hyperbole. While this site is "100%" objective with three pro GMO talking heads and no con, no mention of MONSANTO, no mention of ROUNDUP and ROUNDUP READY CROPS and no mention of 4,000 pending ROUNDUP CAUSES CANCER cases. No questioning of why MONSANTO and friends have spent hundreds of millions trying to keep their product a secret and why sixty five countries have had to FORCE GMO producers to identify their product on the label.OBJECTIVE??? Please.... Problems? Yeah you bet, lies, ghost written safety results, internal memos, court judgements Etc.Etc. Etc

[@ramaraksha01]

Objective would be if a contrarian voice was allowed to be heard - that would have been the proper thing to do, instead they came out like shills for the Monsanto

[@mjrotondi5086]

I wonder if they eat genetically engineered food or feed it to their children ?

[@DukeGMOLOL]

We all eat GMO food, it's as safe as any other.

[@determinant18]

The fact is that hunger is present just as we didn't have GMO, food isn't cheaper, then why have it in the first place? I think the consequences of GMOs are going to be obvious only in several decades, if not a hundred years, so I think we don't need that shit. Eat less, but food of better quaility, it will benefit you in many ways.

[@traccas01]

Same sound bite at 7:12 and 11:10 including caption error. Shame, I was really enjoying this and have made a point of watching Neil deGrasse Tyson in the past. May have to rethink that stance.

[@Hume2012]

Big deal. Blame the editor. Hardly reason to rethink anything.

[@veveve8489]

@@Hume2012 the editor of this video should never be let near editing after this fail ,i feel like he used 2 minutes of footage and turned it into 20 thats why this video seems so repeating ,becouse it litteraly is . : /

[@JD-pn1ow]

That was strange. Still like Tyson though.

[@preciousrobotYT]

Ah thought I accidentally re-winded the video somehow lol

[@TraumaQueen65]

It's NOT the eating of the GMOs that make me "anxious". It's that 1. there's no parity in labeling (that allows me to make my own personal choice) and 2. the owning of those genitally modified organisms by certain companies (and the strict control of that GMO to the point of excessive and destructive litigation for no good, and often nefarious, reasons). While it's true that farmers/gardeners ect. have been hybridizing/crossbreeding plants for centuries, those who have developed new plants (eg; orchids, roses, citrus etc.) have been content to simply name that new plant, not copyright it so that others can not grow that plant. That, to me, is the most important issue with GMOs as we know them today!

[@diegosanchez894]

1) it's a pseudo-choice, you just want to pick how the gene was edited, which is as absurd as chosing your fruit according to the ethnicity of the person that picked it up. 2) your problem there is with capitalism, not with GMO.

[@memunns]

anyone have some sources for Pamela Ronald's comments? need for a report

[@popeyegordon]

She has many sources, just do a search. Why ask KZbin morons when you could have searched the entire global internet in the same time?

[@MrAdryan1603]

THANK YOU for breaking this down for those unaware, ignorant, and uneducated people that flip out about GMOs. This video is going to 3eucate a certain someone I know that really needs to learn the science behind GMOs. Cheers!

[@nylontusk1289]

These people are bought by the corps that produce these toxins and because the general public like Neil Tyson for whatever reason and he shields himself behind the name of almighty SCIENCE people just gobble up this propaganda. You are watching shills, wake up.

[@nylontusk1289]

There is no real science that they are discussing here just their amature psychoanalysis of people that think for themselves deemed as neurotic "conspiracy theorists". They are pretty much saying we are superior intelligence so trust us and ignore any other alternative perspective on this subject or any other. Obey

[@MrAdryan1603]

@@nylontusk1289 No... Lmao. You're one of those crazy conspiracy weirdos and I'm sorry but I have no time for that, lol. Cheers though, have a good one! Go try harder to understand what they are talking about. You'll get it eventually.... Buena suerte

[@nylontusk1289]

@@MrAdryan1603 Wow you're very quick to judge mate. So you're pretty much saying you dont have time to think about an alternative viewpoint and would just rather cast judgment than open up to the possibility of theses guys being wrong. Have you ever noticed that these telescientist are always on the side of being 100% correct or the "truth" and no one ever questions them or dare have the audacity to questions their almighty science? It sounds alot like religion to me. Just like you're not supposed to question authorities of christianity or Islam? It's the same concept of I'm 100% right, you're wrong and dont you dare think otherwise.

[@MrAdryan1603]

@@nylontusk1289 No, I just happen to be very educated about this and what you're saying is... Oh, what's a good word.... Irrelevant, pointless, because it lacks true understanding of what you're even talking about. You don't understand the fundamentals even (*which is necessary to understand the entire concept), and that's not trying to be rude, it's just a fact. When I use the word "ignorant", I mean it in the literal sense of simply not being educated about something. That's okay though, because it means you can learn about it and develop an understanding of it and correct yourself and grow as a person. That's all the time I have for this, good luck. Cheers

[@joey1160]

I "watched" this video by reading the comments. It sounds like we need to get away from anthropomorphized science, where we predicate scientific conclusions and our consensus reality on whether or not something "adversely affects humans," while completely ignoring the fact that we are interdependently tied to everything else. Nothing in reality is independent, nothing is a mere "end product." It isn't about the end product. It's about the PROCESS, i.e. its effects on ecology, its effect on all living beings, and therefore it effects on us. And the effects of GMOs on that scale of thinking are f*cking disastrous.

[@danieldempsey4149]

they didn't talk about the papaya :(

[@nmarbletoe8210]

the papaya is a success story and a failure. the GMO papaya worked to save the farms, and it's just a papaya, but it's harder to export now.

[@FreshWitDiceInMirror]

They did talk about the eggplant, which yields some pretty funny search results. first, it was this great thing, then all the stories became "the failure of gmo eggplants"

[@sberu9528]

+dsndicmsa dude go eat some G-Mo wonderbread, it's better for you and it's cheap too

[@sberu9528]

+dsndicmsa duh

[@nmarbletoe8210]

GMO eggplant research was banned in India in 2011. Monsanto was prosecuted for biopiracy in 2013. The safety trials were criticized for not revealing the data or methods, and for relying on a single mammalian test subject and only 14 and 90 day trials. www.scidev.net/global/biotechnology/news/indian-supreme-court-bans-gm-crop-trials.html www.ibtimes.com/indian-high-court-reinstates-criminal-proceedings-against-monsanto-its-partners-1431534

[@rileyxbell]

Basically the entire argument of this video is "we've been genetically modifying things for 40 years you'll be fine". Well we've been living and eating off nature for millions of years and now less than half a generation ago we started messing with our food. GMO's need way more research on the effects on human health. GMO's have been blamed for the cause of mental disorders like ADHD and even cancer. I'd rather not take unnecessary chances on my health and stay as healthy as possible by staying away from GMO's.

[@popeyegordon]

Another grade school science flunkie chimes in. You didn't even get the years right - GMOs have a 24 year history in the US but the real valid argument is the 10,000 [ten thousand] years man has been altering genes by various breeding methods. If you had just the smallest amount of real education you would know we created delicious carrots from little 2 inch long bitter white roots. All carrots from our artificial selection were purple for thousands of years until we got better at breeding for desired traits. Most of the produce in supermarkets were bred from one common wild mustard plant - all broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, kale, brussels sprouts, turnips and dozens of variations came that single plant. Ever since your mother weaned you, you have been enjoying the benefits of genetic manipulation. GMOs are one of the most studied topics in science with 11,000 peer reviewed studies that all failed to find any health issues from them in humans or animals. You are just ignorant enough to believe all the activist liars which in total outnumber the real scientists and unbiased studies. What idiots blame GMOs for is totally irrelevant, only proven study data matters.

[@popeyegordon]

The organic foods cartel has been engaged in a massive disinformation campaign for 30 years that Riley fell for. They fund activists and quack studies, spread myths and lies and conspiracy theories. They started and funded state labeling initiatives that were just fear mongering, pure and simple, THEN they accused seed companies of "funding massive defense campaigns against GMO food labels" that never would have happened without the dishonest efforts of organic farmers to try and steal a larger market share by fear mongering. Organic farmer money, $160,000 worth, was passed to the IARC for that low level cancer risk claim. Organic farms are not intrinsically evil but their organizations definitely are. Citation links on request. I back everything I say with proof.

[@sberu9528]

+Pop.... nah just because a GMO troll steps out of the ROUNDUP RESISTANT weeds and tries to intimidate, lie and bully another victim doesn't mean we let him. Everybody knows the ludicrous attempt on this bought and paid for site to compare "natural" breeding methods like hybridizing, natural selection, selective sexual crossing and vegetative propagation to lab procedures removing and or replacing genetic material are NOT comparable. There is no organic cartel but there is MONSANTO controlling 85% of the worlds GMO seed. Millions of acres of industrial ROUNDUP READY corn used for ethanol and high fructose corn syrup. AND keeping a deadly secret for decades, ROUNDUP CAUSES CANCER.

[@almostbutnotentirelyunreas166]

+ Popeye Riley is TOTALLY correct and in ACCORDANCE with the Codex Alimentarius definition of GMO Food: "[“Modern Biotechnology” means the application of: i) In vitro nucleic acid techniques, including recombinant deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) and *direct injection of nucleic acid into cells or organelles* , or ii) Fusion of cells beyond the taxonomic family, *that overcome natural physiological reproductive or recombinant barriers* and that are not techniques used in traditional breeding and selection4 “Conventional Counterpart” means a related organism/variety, its components and/or products for which there is experience of establishing safety based on common use as food5 www.fao.org/fao-who-codexalimentarius/sh-proxy/en/?lnk=1&url=https%253A%252F%252Fworkspace.fao.org%252Fsites%252Fcodex%252FStandards%252FCAC%2BGL%2B44-2003%252FCXG_044e.pdf Popeye is quite simply WRONG, on too many counts to enumerate.

[@luciferangelica]

who here is familiar with the term horse laugh? it is a logical fallacy in which rather than addressing an issue it is laughed at and dismissed as a joke. an example is the way tyson and his co-host joke about monsanto getting to peope

[@popeyegordon]

Yes it really is a joke in the year 2018 to even suggest there is a GMO bogeyman!

[@sberu9528]

+Popeye Gordon the joke is on you poopy. Please reveal yourself some more.

[@phatbengt]

Well, lets get some perspective. Would you think that a horse laugh is motivated or understandable if the discussion was about people who think the earth is flat? About holocaust-deniers? That Sandy Hook was staged by the government to fuel the debate about gun control? Even if these examples are much more extreme, silly or horrible, it does not make the people who support them less logical than anti-GMO activists. The relevant experts around the world independently supports the safety and benefits of engineered crops. If this method is a good approach to informing people who are against GM crops is another matter... People have a tendency to double down on beliefs when confronted with opposing ideas, and especially when being mocked.

[@Bman-zn5jz]

That's seems to be thier point. The whole discussion whether GMO's or any other hot button topic is right or wrong, good or bad is complex issue. We imeadeatly go straight to; If you are for it then you are dooming the world. Or if you are against it then you must be one of those crazy,wack job, conspiracy people. We are taught not to trust anyone: Govt, Media, big Corp, etc. Everything is a conspiracy! 😮

[@popeyegordon]

Bman 1970 Who is teaching you to not trust anyone? They need to be confronted. If you are talking about the thousands of KZbin conspiratard videos, simply do not click on them. This is not being taught in schools and that's where the trouble starts.

[@kcmoore777]

I gotta say I'm usually with Neil Degrasse Tyson but that video didn't help at all and I'm still skeptical about GMO foods. The "plant" lady wasn't convincing at all either. js

[@JohnSmith-ds7oi]

Bill Nye also used to be against GMO, but now he reads from the same exact script as Neil Degrasse Tyson. The way they try to limit discussion of the issue is very conspicuous.

[@heatherhawkins7566]

Dude. Hybridization isn't the same thing as GMO 🙄

[@popeyegordon]

The objectives are identical, a new DNA code with beneficial traits is the goal. The weight, color or material of a hammer is irrelelvant as long as the nail is driven. No rules exist except nature's - the new code must support life and compete or perish. I don't care if you use voodoo or alien technology, all that matters is the final result.

[@sberu9528]

+Popeye Gordon no popeye that old argument is long dead. Selective breeding is a "natural" process that has been in place for thousands of years, no lab required. GMOs? like the lady sez forty years and all lab work, nothing "natural" about it. Oh and those forty years in the US? Nobody knew they were eating GMOs, hundreds of millions was spent keeping GMOs a secret from those who eat it.

[@almostbutnotentirelyunreas166]

Popeye is WRONG AGAIN: W.H.O. GMO definition: “ Genetically modified organisms (GMOs) can be defined as organisms (i.e. plants, animals or microorganisms) in which the genetic material (DNA) has been altered in a way that does not occur naturally by mating and/or natural recombination.” www.who.int/foodsafety/areas_work/food-technology/faq-genetically-modified-food/en/ What a disgusting LIAR our Popeye is.

[@growthefarmup2606]

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[@SkullandSwors_art]

I’ve always been less concerned with the dangers of GMOs and more about what we are modifying for. It seems like most modification has to do with quantity and profit. Give the farmer more harvestable crop. And it seems like this has been pretty successful. What I wonder is, can we(or is someone already) modify for higher nutritional quality. Can we make a food more calorie and nutrient dense so that we can get more out of less? I’m sure people are working on or have worked on something like this, I just haven’t heard about it and it doesn’t seem to be a topic anyone really brings up. Anyone have any insight for me?

[@popeyegordon]

Skybone - all your questions can be answered here: GeneticLiteracyProject.org NGOs backed by grants and organizations like the Gates Foundation have already done many of the projects you express concern about. We started with Golden Rice and have completed new projects like rice that will yield even when a severe drought hits after it is planted or rice that can survive being flooded. Golden potatoes are next. We have high vitamin content cassava and many more. Look at this inspiring video of happy Bangladesh farmers who are thriving with GMO Bt eggplant developed by their own government: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHardqdra9xjhrc Over all I do NOT recommend KZbin as an information source on this topic because the the quack fraud anti-science videos outnumber the truly honest and factual ones 100 to 1. There is no way to filter out all the anti-science garbage here which is why so many liars and foil hatters infect this venue.

[@sberu9528]

+Skybone.... genetic literacy project? A GMO front. You want truth? google DEWAYNE JOHNSON ROUNDUP. First ever ROUNDUP CAUSES CANCER case to be heard. MONSANTO internal memos showed MONSANTO has been hiding negative safety studies for decades. Result judgement for plaintiff, $289,000,000

[@jayknight139]

yes look up golden rice.

[@Linixion]

I lost her at "There hasn't been a single case of human harm from genetic engineering." It's not that I know examples of otherwise, but that there has been little data on this subject how our food has changed has changed us, potentially in harmful ways. There are so many different health problems out there that we can't just say "food hasn't hurt us" and simply dismiss the possibility of less obvious or protracted forms of harm from the way we have changed food. Such a decisive statement about something not completely understood is more "this is what I think so it is" (closed minded) and not very scientific.

[@sberu9528]

+Tom Tom dude forgets mad cow disease, or Fukushima or Chernobyl or thalidomide. It ain't about science it's about people, mistakes get made and people die because of it. It's called history, tommy

[@Linixion]

Thomas I know that we have some limited amount of regular food analysis inherent in the bureaucracy, and I'm appreciative that it is as efficient as it is, but I don't particularly trust the bureaucracy (nor trust their technological competency and diligence) to keep track of, like I said, the more protracted and long term changes in us due to the changes in our food. The food doesn't stay the same, so we don't stay the same. Maybe not all things that change in us are seen overnight nor are the changes in the food necessarily a positive element added to our food supply or our evolution. As an example, much fast food is pretty decisively not a good choice of regular food habit, but that is being largely overlooked - seeing as our obesity, heart failure, dementia, neuropathy, fibromyalgia, alcoholism etc. rates are pretty high - as it remains the primary food source for the majority in urban, overpopulated areas because of massive highly unethical corporate food lobbying efforts. I'm not saying that there is no protection, just not perfect protection. I want what's good for people, you know? But I don't trust that everyone involved does. By saying that "Modified Food hasn't harmed people" period, it seems that Ms. Kennedy is being a little too decisive over something we don't have conclusive evidence for, and probably some evidence to the contrary.

[@Linixion]

Cool man. I don't disagree, I just think it's a little more gray then that. Also, your first question sounds like something that you just want to argue about, since my words were "the changes in our food" not "GMOS". Don't take me arguing as me denying what you say, I'm just delving into the issue about giving scientists a broad blind faith that they know everything or even have the incentive or resources to know every angle of a subject. When a scientist says "GMOs haven't harmed anyone period" I would perceive that as them saying this is an indisputable fact, but here I don't think that's the case. To me it seems like you are just trying to tell yourself that everything is fine and everything is perfectly under control without definitive proof that it's the case. Just because so far we haven't found anything definitive is not proof. Many scientists are paid to look the other way about how food has changed. Numerous medical journals are regularly absurdly skewed in their studies, likely because of lack of resources or even threats or obstacles from corporations. Some studies are made by corporations and are skewed to a bias. As I mentioned before, there are significant health issues in the country, and we haven't boiled down to a perfect science every chemical process and how every single edible molecule effects all of those processes. Nutrition isn't our greatest strength as a country, especially in the medical industry. You think hospital food has a bad rap for no reason? I'm not talking about "beliefs"; you are. But I am less enthusiastic then you in believing that everything altered by humans (with agendas) in the food supply is perfectly healthy.

[@Linixion]

I'm not saying they can't be beneficial, I'm saying that we don't know for sure the changes we make won't have unintended consequences. Don't make it so black and white, I didn't say I have absolute distrust of them, I just know that corporate agendas are extremely powerful and manage to subvert a good proportion of the country's progress in nutritional and medical matters. Just look at how corrupt the pharmaceutical industry is. To answer your question: Switzerland, Australia, Austria, China, India, France, Germany, Hungary, Luxembourg, Greece, Bulgaria, Poland, Italy, Mexico and Russia have all banned GMOs. I'm not saying that's proof, but enough people think it's not a great idea that at least 26 civilized countries (which you seemed to have ignored) have placed restrictions on GMOs and their import. Try challenging yourself: don't dismiss or ignore articles or studies that don't fit your conceptions, and pretend that you are on my side and do the research yourself. Then write a short paper on it. I understand that you feel you have to devil's advocate everything I say, but you should do it to yourself as well. Here is one among many articles that makes points that, regardless of how much evidence there is or isn't for them, are valid considerations that make it a bit less than a "scientific consensus": www.thenation.com/article/twenty-six-countries-ban-gmos-why-wont-us/ The moment we stop questioning the experts is the moment they stop trying to prove themselves capable and give into corporate agendas (that don't necessarily have our best interests at heart). Have a good night.

[@almostbutnotentirelyunreas166]

Linixion: Upvote!! Been on this thread for way too long now, you say it more calmly & way clearer than me by now. Watch what happens next: HALF A HUMAN GENERATION OF SURREPTITIOUS GMO CONSUMPTION ,WITH NO APPARENT HARM, DOES NOT EQUATE TO PRODUCT SAFETY.

[@sandyburke3222]

The reason GMOs are bad has nothing to do with wether or not they're real food, of course they are. What makes them evil is that companys can patent them. Please address this issue mr. Degrass Tyson. Please relieve my anxiety about corporations owning the patents to the world's food sources.

[@popeyegordon]

False, Sandy simply does not understand the many important reasons for patents, which all expire after 20 years. The Plant Breeders Protection Act of 1931 authorized patents and ever since then organic, heirlooms, conventional, hybrids and GMOs have the chance to prove they offer unique traits and be granted a patent. The first GMO soybean patent expired 5 years ago, it's now generic, open sourced and a bargain for farmers. This will happen to every patent now in force today, one at a time. In 10 years or so a golden age of high performance seed at bargain prides will be upon us all. Then farmers can choose between those or newer even more useful patented seed IF and only if it is proven to be better than whatever else is offered. Many other countries or NGOs develop their own GMO seed and give it away free or only use a patent to be sure corrupt governments don't steal it from farmers for profit.

[@sberu9528]

Dude this is like your glyphosate argument, everybody can make it now. But in the real world you've had a strangle hold on the worldwide supply for 20 years, you've got the market sewed up. ROUNDUP IS STILL THE LARGEST SELLING HERBICIDE IN THE WORLD AND IT CAUSES CANCER TOO.

[@nathalie_desrosiers]

@@popeyegordon Patent on food is a danger, even if it's "only" for 20 years. I should be allowed to do what my ancestors did for generations, i.e. saving seeds, planting them the next year. GMO seeds are known to be sterile, meaning you can't do that.

[@popeyegordon]

@@nathalie_desrosiers What danger? Be very specific. Post peer reviewed citations or unbiased references sources that prove your point or it is false.

[@popeyegordon]

@@nathalie_desrosiers All farmers everywhere are free to save and replant any seed other than patented seed which they buy because they know it is better. You are lying about sterile seeds. Monsanto refused to sell them and made a promise years ago through US public media, They kept that promise: monsanto.com/company/media/statements/terminator-seeds-myth/ Farmers DO NOT WANT TO REPLANT HYBRID SEED, patented or otherwise, because replanting hybrids ruins the desired traits and produces an inferior crop.

[@nak1067]

Trust you politicians and the government, If you want the truth follow the money

[@growthefarmup2606]

Come check out our channel grow the farm up, a channel made by your food producers to open up a line of communication with our food consumers, our videos are made by independent seed and food producers that are on the front lines of these issues. Grow the farm ups objective is to create a platform for food consumers to communicate with food producers about exactly what they want in their food products. Our videos show you real world scenarios of exactly what the different types of your food and seed production looks like. From organic to non-GMO, and we also cover all modern agricultural technologies, exploring the differences in all the different types of farming, we show you the upside and the downside and ask you to choose for yourself. At grow the farm up we are striving to provide higher nutritional value food products to you. Come watch a few of our short videos... Many people have opinions on these matters, we strive to show you the real world scenario facts about your food supply.

[@popeyegordon]

There is a propaganda war raging here and you totally ignored it. Please help the sane honest educated people to battle trolls. Your channel will be attacked too. Calling all Mashable subscribers and readers - note I will increase my daily calling out of invasive hate trolls until this stops. Mashable fans and science respecting educated adults who hate trolls and malicious liars - Join me in reporting the anti-science GMO hater trolls Fred Craven and 'Almost but Not Entirely Unreasonable' who is in fact mentally ill. Let's not allow hater trolls and malicious liar stalkers to take over this venue. Whether they are Russian spammers, Greenpeace activists or organic industry operatives the result is the same. If you sort for newest and scroll down you will see just how bad this infection is. We welcome debate but not liars with ulterior motives that insult the integrity of our hard working farmers and scientists. Flag him for spam or cyber bullying and report his channel because the shitty, practically non-existent moderation scheme in G+ has no specific button for reporting stalkers or malicious trolls. Mashable works on your behalf to post the truth, don't let trolls get away with trying to discredit the effort. To report these trolls, click on their channels, locate the flag button and report them for cyber bullying or spam or both. Copy this page's address into the complaint form and click it.

[@growthefarmup2606]

@@popeyegordon kzbin.info/www/bejne/povcmKCIerefmrs Curious about your thoughts on this? Thanks.

[@popeyegordon]

@@growthefarmup2606 I see you in a very hard sell for your channel. You even spammed other channels like this one. You did not confront the liar in your comments who ranted falsely about how her "organic food tasted better". This the enemy. You made a HUGE rant in a comment there, nobody on KZbin has the attention span to read such long posts. These are my unfiltered thoughts. I wish you luck but at this time there are several hundred more channels from farmers like you. None of them reach the high views needed to reach enough people. One approach I have seen is featuring many other channels on yours, collecting and liking them on your home page. Maybe organize them a bit more? How about "100 Farmers speak out"? I don't know what would work, KZbinrs are so stupid. Find some gimmick that attracts the short attention span crowd here but please no click bait titles, way too much of that already.

[@growthefarmup2606]

@@popeyegordon all good ideas, you have much more experience and hours logged dealing with KZbin. I'm really understanding why so many people complain about the functionality of KZbin, organizing videos better (whenever I can figure out how) and adding other channels is an excellent idea, agree that any startup channel with just some videos isn't going to reach a wide audience in its first week. But it has sparked some debate and that was my initial hope... Seems to be doing that. As you can see I'm not a anti-gmo or a GMO warrior, is there a way that we can direct message cuz I have a lot of real-world information about this that I would like to run by you. You seem to have excellent knowledge of how this KZbin platform works, and I appreciate the pointers, it's nice to know there's people like you out there that don't just leave misinformed wrongheaded and angry comments out there! Thanks

[@popeyegordon]

@@growthefarmup2606 KZbin discontinued direct messaging a couple years ago. I have never posted a video but I do see how some things work. When an original comment is posted in a thread that person can delete it and all replies to it with a single command. Flagging and reporting trolls or channels does not work unless 3 reports of the exact same type are done within a 3 month period. You can private message me at Facebook.

[@stematfisnyc]

I'm so glad an actor/scientist with more TV credits than research papers was here to hand deliver pure opinion without a single reference to any studies or research. Something we learn from studying and researching is that the opinions formed must be supported with corroborating studies. I for one choose to believe all the European nations having conducted their own research before they concluded to ban GMO's (Which is a Very Specific Term and not one that can be lumped together with alternative forms of agricultural enhancements). I find this entire thing specious and incapable to withstand even the most basic of inspection. Biggest question for me about this is where is the confirmation of all the claims made. Not one thing had been referenced in the entire opinion based video...I mean performance.

[@stematfisnyc]

After all. Science DEMANDS proof so if they dont provide it then its required that SOMEONE do so or its all just hearsay.

[@popeyegordon]

The most basic of inspection finds stematfis's comments ignorant fear mongering with no facts to back them up. Tyson has earned 13 honorary degrees (Wikipedia), stematfis has none.

[@popeyegordon]

10,000 [ten thousand] published peer reviewed verified GMO safety studies have no found no harm to humans or animals. Tyson bases his stance on that landslide of evidence: www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleListURL&_method=list&_ArticleListID=-1216388386&_st=13&filterType=&searchtype=a&originPage=rslt_list&_origin=&_mlktType=&md5=ecd6efff755b29e00ade55da49342c7f

[@popeyegordon]

European nation's safety agencies all agree - glyphosate is safe. 5 bans have been dropped in the last year. Their bans are for GMO farming within their borders, not for importing of GMO foods or animal feed. It is primarily a protectionist move farmers lobby for to fix prices. Three agencies who disagree with stematfis : www.efsa.europa.eu/en/press/news/151112 www.reuters.com/article/us-health-who-glyphosate-idUSKCN0Y71HR allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/major-un-report-endorses-climate-smart-biotech-crops

[@popeyegordon]

My reply that devastates his ignorant post: Tyson is a top scientist. He bases all his commentary on peer reviewed science. Opinion is truly irrelevant when it comes from non-scientists but an educated opinion based on peer reviewed research is valid. Period.

[@jacobwheeler6136]

No one ever said, "that was a nice leg of salmon".

[@sberu9528]

Hahaha

[@sberu9528]

Maybe popeye does he eats 800 lbs of fish a year and when GMO super salmon is available here he'll eat that exclusively.

[@popeyegordon]

Jacob - And no one ever said "that was a nice tail of lamb". What's you point, asshole? Post your non-activist peer reviewed study proof that GMOs are not good food. Because so far you have only made a fool of yourself.

[@sberu9528]

the GMO bully speaks or grunts or whatever that lowest common denominator stuff he spews is called. ROUNDUP CAUSES CANCER and the guys who make are the same guys who make more than 85% of GMO seed in the world. If the guys who sell heroin are the same guys who make aspirin, don't eat their aspirin.

[@WillyBanta]

:( Monsanto has Neil in their grasp, too! :( They don't talk about the unintended byproducts of GMOs and the allergies they cause, do they? This is sick, and so slick.

[@popeyegordon]

They won't lend credence to false malicious conspiracy theories. What is sick is your willful ignorance. There are NO 'unintended byproducts'. There are no more allergens than any other food source. There are no chemtrails or dangers from vaccines either.

[@sberu9528]

+Popeye Gordon no wrong popeye anybody can see past the blatant one sided GMO propaganda here

[@WillyBanta]

What about all the countries that have banned GMOs? What about selling GMO foods before thorough testing or labeling? What about ownership of genes so if your seed blows into my yard and starts growing, I get sued? I would like to stop worrying about GMOs. I would like to see an explanation better than what I've seen from Neil and Bill Nye, so I'm suggesting that they debate Jeffery Smith or some other expert.

[@popeyegordon]

Willy - 5 bans were dropped in the last year. 32 countries have CULTIVATION bans but still import thousand of tons of GMOs. The EU is the US's largest customer for GMO grains. NO GMO is ever sold before thorough testing and approval by the FDA. All malicious lawsuits are a myth fed to you by activists. Smith is a notorious quack fraud! No wonder you are so confused: geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/04/06/jeffrey-smith-i-know-nothing-about-gmos-but-that-doesnt-stop-me-from-promoting-junk-science/ Facts on lawsuits: geneticliteracyproject.org/2018/06/01/dissecting-claims-about-monsanto-suing-farmers-for-accidentally-planting-patented-seeds/

[@sberu9528]

now that the profiteers who brought you AGENT ORANGE and guaranteed it safe for human exposure and the guys (BAYER) who killed thousands of slave laborers making ZYKLON B for use at AUSCHWITZ have joined forces, they will buy their way into every government they can. And their M O will be just the same as it has always been; trust us, we just want to help. Look, this "science" proves you can trust us. BOUGHT AND SOLD

[@suburbansean]

Why are all these comments about GMOs? Why isn’t anyone talking about the annoying captions?

[@vahagnp4466]

Even her husband doesnt believe her, so he's growing organic food

[@popeyegordon]

Vahagn P does not even know what organic means. A common meme we all hear if we are exposed to lying activist sites and videos is that the Monsanto boogeyman and "corporations" want to "control the world's seed supply". Let's ponder that for a moment which is all it takes to realize how absurd and ignorant that meme really is. All the corporate seed companies combined comprise less than 20% of our global seed supply. A partial list of the plethora of supply sources they can never touch: free NGO and government run seed programs, seed banks and vaults, seed exchanges, seed libraries, neighbors swapping seed, farm granges, online seed sales, small local farm supply stores, gardening supply stores, collecting seed from wild sources, countries like Mexico where GMO seed is rejected, China with its own GMO and conventional seed programs, Asshole Russia with their anti-GMO troll armies, seed saving practices, remote villages who never have and never will buy seed, and mountain terrace farmers at the ends of 200 kilometer long foot paths in mountainous regions of three continents. Are corporate seed sellers going to march jack booted thugs up those paths with packs full of seed they will force the remote villages to buy?? Myth busted!

[@sberu9528]

pop only comes out of the ROUNDUP RESISTANT WEEDS when some innocent newcomer posts GMO dissent. Vahagan P, you are so right, I didn't think of that because this site is so transparently one sided, but in their zeal to appear as if they were not bought and sold shills, they forgot they had no reason to grow organic if there was nothing to avoid in the first place.

[@Runz32]

@@popeyegordon You're obviously one of the following: an employee of one of the big Ag companies like Bayer-Monsanto or Dow; a researcher who depends on the $ that Big ag supplies; or a consultant hired by Big ag to keep up the pro-GMO PR war. No person on the street is actually going to spend so much time responding to all of these posts unless they are financially motivated. Plus, you are citing to GMO front groups like the genetic literacy project.

[@vaylon1701]

Some GMO plants are great. They are a benefit to both nature and mankind but Others such as those produced by big chem companies are not. Creating a plant that can withstand being sprayed with "roundup" or other industrial weed killers is just crazy. This is why so many farmers won't eat the crops they grow. Would you eat a tomato or ear of corn soaked in roundup and then let to air dry? I don't think anyone is that stupid.

[@popeyegordon]

vaylon - there are no GMO tomatoes. No, farmers don't eat their commodity crops of corn, soy and cotton, that is for animal feed and industry. But farmers are much smarter than you, they like GMOs because they use less pesticides over all, and glyphosate is so very safe compared to any other pesticide. There is some GMO sweet corn that sells very well and I assure you farm families savor that at meal time. An incredibly small 10 dry ounces of glyphosate per 500 gallons of water per acre is the usual treatment sprayed at 3 weeks into the growth cycle before any corn ears develop. That is all that is needed because the crop soon shades out any additional weeds. 500,000 farmers say you are wrong, they gladly pay the extra $6 per 50 pound bag of seed to get the best chances of a profitable crop yield. No farmer anywhere could afford to "soak" their crop in pesticides, that would immediately bankrupt them and they'd lose their farms. That "soaked" bullshit was spoon fed to you by activist sites funded by organic farmers who also use toxic pesticides. The only true evil in the farming industry is the 30 year long disinformation campaign of the organic foods cartel: www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Markets/The-organic-food-industry-has-been-engaged-in-a-multi-decade-public-disinformation-campaign-claims-report?OnSite&

[@popeyegordon]

vaylon - thank you for another performance of Short Attention Span Theater. Thank goodness FDA testing of foods no longer find dangerous levels of Atrazine, paraquat, DDT, fludioxonil, metolaclor, acephate and diazinon. Now they find minute traces of the least toxic herbicide ever formulated, glyphosate, which is 43% less toxic than table salt, and Bt, so non-toxic that organic farmers rely on it heavily. WHAT A DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENT!!!! Anti-GMO idiots claim they want to go back to that nightmare list of much more toxic pesticides. Why???? I can't imagine.

[@popeyegordon]

vaylon - allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2018/03/gmo-crops-create-halo-effect-benefits-organic-farmers-says-new-research/

[@sberu9528]

Just ask DEWAYNE JOHNSON what exactly he would do with roundup. SHAME ON MONSANTO and their shill popeye

[@sberu9528]

I love the smell of secret internal MONSANTO memos burning in the evening. It smells like victory

[@ASBlueful]

It seems like we are constantly rambling about this topic, with misinformation from both sides, without getting anywhere. But why do we even need GM crops, when we throw away 40 percent of our food? Sure, we are striving to be more efficient, make food further available and more sustainable, but this in fact makes the self-proclaimed task of "feeding the world" seem utterly ridiculous.

[@popeyegordon]

Sorry, that is incorrect. Only genetically illiterate witch hunters duped by organic farmers propaganda are repeating disinformation. The WHO says GMOs and glyphosate are safe. All 284 global health and safety agencies agree. Yes, this is the mother of all GMO safety citations: www.siquierotransgen... On the linked page is a hyperlink of proof for each of those 284 agencies. Some may not be in English. No anti-GMO troll anywhere can prove this is wrong, biased by corruption or false.

[@popeyegordon]

This frequently claimed but comically wrong claim about wasted food somehow being capable of being transported to war zones and drought caused famine victims is absurd. Food deprivation is used as a weapon of war. "40%" is a top end exaggerated claim anyways, not a fact that in any way reduces the urgent need for better seed to deal with drought, salty soils, floods, vitamin deficiency or increased pest pressure. Soldiers will steal food relief shipments but getting through just one bag of high performance GMO seed to farmers that need it to survive can result in saving lives. GMOs are in fact feeding the world in ways conventional seed could never achieve. To grow all organic foods we'd have to cut down all treed park land and convert it. 370 crops that give a lower yield when grown organically: geneticliteracyproject.org/2018/02/16/usda-data-confirm-organic-yields-dramatically-lower-conventional-farming/

[@ASBlueful]

@@popeyegordon How is food deprivation related to this at all? If soldiers manage to destroy food supplies in a specific region, how is it going to help you that the respective seeds were GM? Besides, I was not writing about the lack of food in poorly supplied countries, what this percentage shows is that there simply is no need to grow GM crops in the US, where wasting and overproduction is so high. On a side note, please tell me how a corporation like Monsanto should develop seeds for a specific region with unique environements, let's say for example a coast in rural Bangladesh with only 10 000 inhabitants? Why would the local population not have more knowledge and time to grow their own seeds to their needs? Of course some Western corporation might have more resources at hand, but that still does not change the fact that they would ultimately be disconnected from the world these specific farmers are living in?

[@popeyegordon]

@@ASBlueful I already clearly explained how. Because GMO seed grows where others die, soldiers and governments can't starve out victims so easily by blocking shipments. This is totally independent of any food waste seen in developed countries, waste that is 4000 miles away has no effect either way. And you are 100% devastatingly wrong about the value of growing GMOs in the US or in any other country - efficient use of farm acreage is determined to be key in reducing the rate of global warming. High efficiency leaves more untouched productive wild lands to sequester carbon. Same reason organic farming is not wise now. It's time has passed.

[@popeyegordon]

@@ASBlueful You are so blinded by misguided hatred fed to you by anti-science activists. You don't even know that half of all GMO seed grown today was given away free by non-profit NGO charities and government seed programs. This video about smiling Bangladesh farmers will explain how it was not your whipping boy bogeyman the former Monsanto, but their own government who developed GMO Bt eggplant, the main staple in that country: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHardqdra9xjhrc Those poor farmers used to have to spend 40% of their annual incomes on pesticides, an extreme hardship indeed! Why do you want them to go back to abject poverty? That is an evil wish.

[@billreitter7343]

I have always respected Tyson but he seems to be more than a little drunk on his success: "Hi, I am you personal astrophysicist"? Really? Carl Sagan would never say something as egotistical as that! He admits he is not an expert in biology, so why is he expounding on a controversy he knows little about? This is a deadly serious issue, so why is he joking about it with a comedian who also knows little about it? The "outside expert" is almost certainly funded, at least partially, by Monsanto and Big Ag because she never mentions the main pesticide, RoundUp and Glyphosate as carcinogenic, and neither do the others. This makes me think that this video was funded, directed and promoted by Monsanto and Beyer.

[@sberu9528]

WELL SAID.........If you want to read a horror story google I G FARBEN, BAYER AG, ZYKLON B

[@om4883]

I agree 100%, I enjoy his reboot of Cosmos on Netflix, but he is lending credence to a hot-button topic he knows little about. I truly dislike when personalities I kinda like, turn out to be drunk on their own fame. He seems less like a scientist and more like a sudo celebrity more and more.

[@makduke]

he's just making some light humor, lighten up a little. not everything has to be so uptight

[@ronnyreece8536]

Pesticides ≠ GMOs

[@dobbsmill3676]

NASA have recently announced funding for a project next year. The unmanned probe will be launched in July 2020, on a 15 year mission to search for the edge of Neil de Grasse Tyson's ego.

[@realityshift7130]

Not a whole lot of in depth science in this video. It's more like an advertisement, mainly geared towards opinion shaping an audience.

[@SuperHuia]

Genetic engineering and gene editing is wonderful exciting science.

[@LuckyGuy104]

I hate the close captioning because I’m too busy reading and not listening. I want to see the faces and the reactions, and the explaination but I can’t.

[@brandonholmes5953]

Wow.

[@HartenDylan]

I agree with some of the points made, like decreasing the use of harmful pesticides and the effects that they have. Though, if it's all about removing harmful chemicals from the process than why the move towards round-up ready crops where they spray herbicides without the risk of killing the crops (increasing crop yields yes, but at what cost?). You can't decrease the chemicals in the process by increasing their use (however this is pesticides in Bangladesh vs herbicides in the states and therefore safety equipment and practices might be different). My biggest fear is the short term lack of impacts compared to the long term implications. DDT was widely used, and even eaten over bowls of oatmeal as a means to demonstrate how safe it was, yet long term had health implications with placental development. Same with applications of asbestos and cigarettes, thought to be perfectly healthy yet turned out to be causes of cancers. I just feel saying "let's splice this gene in to this plant and know for a fact based off of limited evidence that it's totally safe" is potentially short sighted given the minimal time retro-viral vectors have been used in agricultural practices. I hope this is one we get right as the need for large quantities of food production is paramount to survival! www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DgtcXXbuR244&ved=0ahUKEwiQxLSg4pveAhWGw4MKHccjB3QQo7QBCCQwAA&usg=AOvVaw3i-WLTrUzJw6N1Yi4C4wVx www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dv2EtxYxEKww&ved=0ahUKEwiQxLSg4pveAhWGw4MKHccjB3QQo7QBCC4wBQ&usg=AOvVaw1XSpkVQiPyuK6XJAAwYsgn

[@petejohnston5787]

I get the argument that what they are doing in the lab is no different than what would happen in nature or selective breading of plants and animals. The problem is that during our evolution genetics have been modified all the time. Sometimes quite devastating effects and wiping out of whole layers of species. I think we know of a few natural disasters that have completely change how our planet is populated. The only difference with GMOs and what happens naturally is the speed with which it happens. So we can in a few years create cells that could have taken thousands of years to happen naturally? So if humans would have died out because of some mutation in some bug in 10000 years time are we just bringing that time forward by accelerating the rate of genetic mutation. Who would have thought that adding lead to fuel would do any harm our CFCs would have such an effect. My worry is when a scientist says the problem is anxiety instead of "I think it is probably OK but we should check it out a bit more before we use it world wide" then that reminds me of a scientist who suggests we should all put lead on our petrol.

[@b-manz]

I am calling bullshit on some of the comments used here. "Some of the most nutricious food..." what a load of rubbish. Are you saying food that has been sprayed with Roundup is healthier than grown organically? The US has some of the worst food standards so there you go...

[@popeyegordon]

Yes we can say that with absolute peer reviewed study authority. The organic foods standard approves many 'natural' but extremely toxic pesticides that make glyphosate seem like mother's milk in comparison. When you tried to say "so there you go" that was a complete and utter failure, you offered no citations of proof so that was meaningless prattle. My proof: www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&SID=9874504b6f1025eb0e6b67cadf9d3b40&rgn=div6&view=text&node=7:3.1.1.9.32.7&idno=7 and this: ascienceenthusiast.com/organic-crops-use-carcinogenic-pesticides/

[@sberu9528]

+GMO Pop corn bullshit, check out Roundup class action suits; non Hodgkin's lymphoma or some such nightmare. Mothers milk? Only to nuts like you

[@darthmcgee2216]

Horseshit, Monsanto was never found guilty in any lawsuit. They voluntarily tossed out 21.5 million (pocket change) to calm the nerves of chumps who bought into the hysteria. There has never been a single proven case that their product caused Hodgkin's lymphoma in anyone. And it would be easily demonstrated in a lab if this were true. Morons will fall for anything :SMH:

[@sberu9528]

+Darth Mcgee nah you got a bad case of selective awareness google Hodgkin's lymphoma law suit against GMO producers. And when you are a hundred BILLION DOLLAR chemical conglomerate you can buy off every case before it comes to court and that's what they do and that's why there are no "proven" cases. Then of course there are the hundreds of millions spent on lobbying and political contributions that still failed to prevent P L 114-216, mandatory labeling of GMOs. 64 countries before the bi partisan passage of this law in the US banned or required labeling of GMOs, including the deluded, frightened countries of the UK, France, Germany, Russia, and China. Sucks to be so wrong and still believe you know what the truth is.

[@SkyLordPanglot]

I have a question though. Its not really about GMOs. My grandparents grow most of their food. Most of the mass produced food that is offered in the supermarkets and such is vastly different. I feel the homegrown stuff are much better and richer in flavour and feel better in my stomach (I have kind of a troubled stomach). Why is this? Is it just sortts that just happen to grow more quickly for higher mass produduction or maybe they ripe slower, but are worse in taste than the others? Also what about all the artificial colorants, flavors and preservatives? A lot of people are against that and Ive heard many a times that they are bad, they can weaked your immune system and are overall harmful if taken with the food consistently. I fully realize that preservatives for example are needed if you want access to food for the masses. I cant say that I have reliable information about these and I am really wishing to discuss this or learn from someone who has reliable source of information about these topics.

[@popeyegordon]

It's all about getting it to market - the time involved, the fact that they have to pick before ideal ripeness to have something presentable customers will buy. If your grandparents picked everything two days before ideal ripeness and shoved it in the refrigerator for 2 or 3 days before cooking it, you'd taste supermarket produce. Produce is not colored artificially much, it is other grocery items that get approved safe coloring for eye appeal. When you hear something like "immune system effects" you have to consider the source. KZbin is positively flooded with a thousand quack fake doctors and liars selling snake oil or supplements. You get real information from real sources like .gov and mainstream science reference sites. The FDA just banned 6 food additives, they banned partially hydrogenated oils and they do great work, better than any other country on Earth. Go to FDA.gov to see all their news on product safety. NEVER use Natural News, Food Babe, or any organic foods friendly sites, they lie constantly and viciously.

[@sberu9528]

+Popeye Gordon pop has no idea what good is. He thinks all foods are created equal. And of course those of us who have eaten those hard tasteless tomatoes and the heirloom tomatoes right next to them on the supermarket table know that just isn't true. Those generic tomatoes were selectively bred to last on the shelf and resist brusing, the commercial seed guys forgot taste. The heirlooms were bred for taste. Wouldn't you know it that when GMO tomatoes were introduced the packing and shipping and shelf life were what they went for. Fail.....

[@sberu9528]

+Popeye Gordon more of what I like to call the real popeye, foul language masquerading as a scientific point of view. Pop just doesn't believe he is revealing his lowest common denominator he thinks he's got a PhD in communication skills. Shame on you pop this is a public forum and your mom would tell you to grow up.

[@SkyLordPanglot]

Cmon people did you really turn this into a quarrel and about countries? For fk's sake...

[@sberu9528]

+Sky... people? I think you mean popeye. I for one don't care where he's from or what accusations he makes about me. His foul language and baseless lies and intimidation expose him for what he is, a schoolyard GMO bully. The lowest KZbin common denominator, a whining, bushwhacking troll. But this has nothing to do with countries. If you haven't scrolled down the newest comments then you don't know about pop, he ambushes all dissent with a barrage of disinformation and stealth GMO citations. If you are on the fence, he will masquerade as a reasonable guy who you can trust to tell you the truth. He is anything but reasonable and trustworthy. A nice man like yourself, who knows something is happening but doesn't know what it is, can learn something here about the food he is eating. But you will have to wade through Popeye's BS until he surrenders and moves on to the next innocent bystander. My suggestion? Google DEWAYNE JOHNSON ROUNDUP and decide for yourself.

[@Bananaking23424]

Neil deGrasse Tyson, I used to trust you. In my opinion this video DOESN'T address the topic in an analytical and objective manner.

[@popeyegordon]

Where can you find anything more accurate on KZbin? This is fully accurate and educational but of course no one video can cover all facets of the science in less than 6 intense hours. NDG Tyson also narrates the best new documentary on GMO science titled 'Food Evolution'. KZbin offers it right now for $4.99 Free genetics education and news is offered at ground zero for genetics understanding, the non-profit GeneticLiteracyProject.org I personally guarantee you that if you study the GLP primer you will change your mind about the high value of this video. And don't forget that personal opinions and feelings about science never apply, only proven peer reviewed study data is used to base facts on. If something has not been proven, verified by peer review, and repeated to redundantly prove it again, Neil and his expert guests will not say it here.

[@sberu9528]

+ genetic literacy project? John Entine is the executive director of the GLP. He is in the employ of MONSANTO and has a pharmaceutical company of his own. Google his name, he's not even a stealth GMO guy.

[@sberu9528]

no mention of ROUNDUP here, Tyson avoids even MENTIONING ROUNDUP. We all know now that ROUNDUP CAUSES CANCER, DEWAYNE JOHNSON was awarded $289,000,000 when Monsanto's own memos showed they had been hiding negative safety studies for decades. A relevant reason to at least mention ROUNDUP and it's ROUNDUP READY and ROUNDUP REWARDS GMO companions

[@emiledlund9559]

@@sberu9528 Jon Entine? Checked his Wikipedia and it states nothing about his affiliations with Monsanto. Honestly, it is your duty to cite any source to your claims and I shouldn't need to look up stuff to fulfill your burden of proof

[@scottishguy1326]

I want to see Neil degrasse Tyson play KSP

[@cloudstrife182000]

Yes! Somebody make this happen!

[@ashishrandive9417]

What is KSP?

[@scottishguy1326]

Ashish Randive go google it

[@ashishrandive9417]

Bad Samaritan!

[@attacktyson007]

soviet guy1 AND what is your comparision?

[@springpodcaststudios5495]

Greed is why we need gmo's.

[@sberu9528]

Millions of acres of GMO industrial corn doused in cancer causing ROUNDUP. None of it eaten by human beings. It is used for ethanol, high fructose corn syrup and livestock feed. Dangerous levels of ROUNDUP residue are showing up in children's cereal products and infant formula and even Oreo cookies. This mainly because MONSANTO suggested that if you sprayed your wheat with ROUNDUP at the end of the season you could harvest earlier by killing and desiccating the crop all at once.

[@popeyegordon]

Tell us what organic farmers are non-profit.

[@popeyegordon]

Spring - This asshole liar Batta troll has infected this thread for 6 months now. It posts nothing but activist lies. There is no proof of ANY cancer connection to any aspect of GMO farming. The fact that most GMOs are not eaten by humans is irrelevant, it does not in any way downgrade the value of the GMO varieties we DO eat. It is a lie that glyphosate is at dangerous levels, an activist group EWG recently perpetrated a hoax about that: geneticliteracyproject.org/2018/08/17/children-killer-glyphosate-found-in-cheerios-experts-dismantle-environmental-working-groups-glyphosate-study/ Some crops are SOMETIMES dried during short wet growing seasons by killing them with glyphosate (Roundup is only one of 63 brands of glyphosate herbicide sold in the US) to prevent them from rotting in grain silos. The residue is always well below the EPA standard of 1.3 parts per million which has a built in safety margin of 100x. You can eat foods with 50 times the legal maximum of glyphosate for a lifetime with no effects to your health, thanks to our FDA and EPA safety standards.

[@sberu9528]

+Popeye wants proof, he doesn't believe those secret in house memos from MONSANTO that sealed the deal for the judgement of $289,000,000 against them and their carcinogenic ROUNDUP. You know the ones that revealed MONSANTO had been hiding negative safety studies for decades. Popeye says anything negative about GMOs is an activist hoax. But please? GENETIC LITERACY PROJECT???? Google Jon Entine MONSANTO. Hell he works for Monsanto and he's the boss of GLP. Anytime you get a site recommended by pop you only get two things; 1. It is a GMO or stealth GMO site and 2. He doesn't want you to google anything because then you'll see both sides of the story. You can tell by his childish rants he's just a bully in the schoolyard

[@sberu9528]

+Pop.....ain't no organic farmer like MONSANTO/BAYER/FARBIN. Ain't nobody buying organic anything for $70,000,000,000. That's greed with a Capitol G. And of course no organic farmer ever lost 10 billion dollars because they bought a toxic asset. 8,000 pending cases of ROUNDUP CAUSES CANCER and you can't google MONSANTO or BAYER without at least three law firms looking for ROUNDUP VICTIMS turning up. BAYER lost thirteen percent of stock value after the DEWAYNE JOHNSON case judgement. And they are worried, the boss man told stockholders, BAYER'S management team had no way of knowing that all these cases would turn up, MONSANTO assured them that there "no problem" hahahaha, yeah right, sounds like popeye

[@scottmcshannon6821]

i think the term organic is going to cause a lot of mal-nourishment and starvation as this is taken to silly extremes.

[@popeyegordon]

1970 - Norman Borlaug quote: "There are 6.6 billion people on the planet today. With organic farming we could only feed 4 billion of them. Which two billion would volunteer to die?" Nothing has changed 50 years later except the total population.

[@scottmcshannon6821]

@@popeyegordon if we cant get our population under control only science will enable us to feed ourselves.

[@popeyegordon]

@@scottmcshannon6821 That is correct. The very first 'science' was the day man tamed fire. Once that was started, all things we do are outside of nature and evolution.

[@Cthulhu013]

@@scottmcshannon6821 Sadly, while GMO will lesson the burden, I'm afraid the population will grow far too rapidly to the point that even the best GMO's won't be enough to keep up and feed everybody. We seriously need to think about how we're going to begin limiting the amount of people being born if we want to escape mass famine in the future.

[@matthewdeoliveira2073]

"We invented a cow." Neil Degrasse Tyson

[@popeyegordon]

So what. It is an acceptable layman's reference when he is not speaking in a college lecture or to experts. We started with water buffaloes. We also 'invented' dogs from wolves.

[@matthewdeoliveira2073]

I'm going to disagree. Laymen, myself included, know what the word "invent" means. We also understand that the term "GMO" does not mean selective breeding, artificial selection, or hybridization. He is conflating terms on purpose.

[@popeyegordon]

@@matthewdeoliveira2073 No!!! Every single day I see KZbin losers who prove they don't know the difference between various ways of causing beneficial mutations. Tyson was just dumbing down his narrative. The average American is very stupid. " *More than one-third of Americans do not know that foods with no genetically modified ingredients contain genes, according to a nationally representative Food Literacy and Engagement Poll* we conducted in 2017 at Michigan State University. For the record, all foods contain genes, and so do all people. The majority of respondents who answered this question incorrectly were young and affluent, and also more likely than their peers to describe themselves as having a higher-than-average understanding of the global food system. The full survey revealed that much of the U.S. public remains disengaged or misinformed about food. These findings are problematic because food shapes our lives on a personal level, while consumer choices and agricultural practices set the course for our collective future in a number of ways, from food production impacts to public health. Rapid scientific innovation has made it possible to engineer crops that can grow without fertilizer, survive flooding and supply vital nutrients to communities in the developing world. But further progress may be limited without public awareness and support for research on urgent food and agriculture challenges. Meanwhile, the proliferation of online content with conflicting messages makes it hard for Americans to separate valid nutritional information from fads and fraud. Influential multinational corporations push ideas that aren’t always based in science, but rather intended to promote their own products. Our inaugural poll reveals that the public lags far behind current scientific understanding when it comes to food. Equally troubling, Americans aren’t turning to scientists for answers. consumers wade through conflicting recommendations from friends, relatives and celebrities that compete with fake news online for attention. Meanwhile, advertisements and talking heads argue over the health benefits of staples like chocolate and coffee." geneticliteracyproject.org/2019/05/31/more-than-one-third-of-americans-do-not-know-foods-with-no-genetically-modified-ingredients-contain-genes/

[@popeyegordon]

@@matthewdeoliveira2073 KZbin comments include barely literate users who have no idea how the commenting system works. Examples I run across every day: 1) They don't know you can expand down the video description directly under each video to learn more about it or to find citation links provided by the video creator. 2) They don't even realize the Read More addition at the end of all comments longer than 4 lines will expand out the full comment they are seeing or are replying to. 3) Some have no idea they can edit their comments or delete them by conveniently provided buttons G+ provides. 4) Some post an entirely new comment at the top of a thread just to reply directly to an existing days old comment because they don't notice or recognize the "reply" button each comment has at the bottom. Imagine the ineptitude! 5) Some don't realize a blue font color means they are seeing an active link in a video comment! And many more are so close to total computer illiteracy that they have no basic skills to post a hyperlink that might prove some point they are trying to make. 6) Many of the most ignorant foolish comments you see here were completely avoidable if the idiot spent 30 seconds doing a google search to verify the sometimes bizarre notions they post. 7) When they have no refutation to a point and they have no logical argument they may play the shill card, claiming you are some sort of paid operative. This is called 'poisoning the well' and is a childish form of trying to cheat to win, it is an automatic forfeit of the debate.

[@pusanghalaw]

how many tricks did you turn for neil today, popeye? how does it feel to work for the most popular gmo pimp on evening tv?

[@frodo261]

N deG Tyson should stick to astronomy

[@popeyegordon]

Frodo should stick to geeky games and fantasies, he sucks at commenting on things in the real world. Tyson built heavily on his astronomy background for a lifetime, he is now a master scientist with 13 honorary degrees. His turds are smarter than you, dipshit.

[@frodo261]

Who are you - I do not play geeky games.WTF why get so angry .Are you a scientist? Tell me about yourself

[@popeyegordon]

The name Frodo was adopted by geek fantasy culture. I defend our hard working farmers and scientists from GMO hate trolls and anti-science organic industry operatives. Tyson is fully qualified to talk about this, period.

[@sberu9528]

+frodo261 nope he is prevented by contractual obligations, he can't tell you who he works for, it's a secret, kinda like their food product. Unfortunately the US is joining sixty plus countries that REQUIRE labeling. This after hundreds of millions was spent on dark influence to avoid all point of purchase labels

[@JohnSmith-ds7oi]

@@popeyegordon Wow, the appeal to authority is really baked into that one. Who qualified him to speak?

[@kris4637]

She looks like a Super-villain.

[@TheLosamatic]

So is it natural the way rice can be grown in 4-5 degrees colder temperatures?

[@popeyegordon]

The word 'natural' truly has no meaning today. Humans have greatly altered every food we eat. All the original wild versions of rice were very inferior. Global warming means we have to devlop rice that can endure more extreme conditions, primarily warmer temperatures. We are working on GMO rice for extreme temperatures, droughts, floods, salty soils and plant disease resistance.