Neil Howe: Crisis looms as we approach the Fourth Turning

[@mikerobinson7206]

Multi-generational households harkens back to how we spent most of our evolutionary career: a village of relatives, helping to shoulder burdens. The obsession with individual living was in part a predatory cultivation of the banking world, to put us on the hooks for many a mortgage and other financial obligations. Of course if your family is dysfunctional, toxic or non-existent, that's one thing. But shaming someone for being close with extended family ("Loser! Grow up! Mama's boy! Daddy's girl!") is something that needs to go away now.

[@somefella7611]

Regarding civil war in America. Americans have such a silly notion of civil war in the first place. I think an overwhelming majority of those talking this point up, as if its a good thing, would change their tune quickly faced with the realities of a civil war. We're talking about folks who have a meltdown from driving or being inconvenienced by a long line at McDonald's. Hard to take this too seriously.

[@felixthecat2786]

I know exactly what you mean. I've seen full grown adult men have meltdowns and temper tantrums over the silliest things in my time in retail/customer service. It was rarely ever Millennials or Silents, but usually Baby Boomers and sometimes Gen Xers. The idea that we're going to start a civil war is laughable in my opinion. 1. It's simply not in our constitution to carry this out. We just don't have it in us. Sorry! People can't even run or walk a mile, let alone expend enormous amounts of energy to march all across the country. We can barely function during a snowstorm when the power goes out and we lose internet. People hoard groceries at the first forecast of snow. We also live in a car dependent society. Take away the oil and you take away peoples' ability to go anywhere. 2. Additionally, there is nothing in particular that they would fight over. There are too many factional ideological skirmishes, what would unify either side? In the Civil war, slavery was a clear division that sparked the war. *I'm not saying there won't be violence such as mass shootings or homicides. I just think these will be individual, isolated, subjective attacks against others. You have entire populations in the South who would call themselves fundamentalist Christians and pro life, but do not support anti abortion laws. They can't even unify over that. How are they going to all agree to start a war with the North? Or neighbor against neighbor? 3. Think about the fact that we barely speak to our neighbors. You have to speak and meet up for a cause. There's just no motivation congregate in order to unify and fight for a cause. There's also no public or communal space for that to occur. If you can't unify, then you can't declare and fight a war. Americans are too isolationist and withdrawn to bother interacting with one another. I think it's more realistic that an external conflict will occur. China has become increasingly militaristic and territorial, not just in regards to Taiwan. There have been many squabbles over islands in the South China Sea (Japan and Philippines in particular) and the border between India. Russia seems fixated on taking Ukraine and many countries in Eastern Europe that it once owned. They have no warm water ports and not having access to that takes away the massive wealth and power they once had as well as access to resources. Then of course there's the conflict with Iran. Have the three of these join together and you have your new axis of power. I do think a Civil War is a possibility in the next Crisis era. It just depends on how willing people are to fight for a singular cause. I don't see the motivation in people today.

[@duanebidoux6087]

I read Generations over 30 years ago and prayed they had stumbled on a fluke but wrongly perceived it as something more, and then watched decade after decade as we moved step by step toward its fulfillment. Nostradomus ain't got nothing on these two scholars.

[@brianmccollaum5489]

Nostradamus was a charlatan. So is Howe.

[@a.grimes4202]

Nostradamus didn’t “predict” a damn thing. kzbin.info/www/bejne/faClqGRvoL2kr68si=f4Eu7zUxn2XoOfEJ

[@yttkuar]

My favorite Neil Howe quote: "When history loses urgency, people tend to live at the expense of the future, despite their better judgment." Neil Howe and William Strauss, 'Generations: The History of America's Future, 1584 to 2069.

[@brianmccollaum5489]

Shorter: “Blah, babble, blah. Buy my book.”

[@pamvanallen3919]

​@brianmccollaum5489 That quote is quite a succinct description of the Republican philosophy, even better than the quote about being doomed to repeat history. You mock the idea that expresses the tragedy of our times. It's what future survivors will curse Republicans for.

[@basskat1440]

Those that ignore the paths of history are destined to repeat them. I’ve read The Fourth Turning and about to read ‘The Fourth Turning is Here.’’ As a Bible historian, Bible prophecy predicts many of the events corresponding with facts and timelines in The Turning.

[@than9350]

We are definitely in the 4th turning because I hate this beta male lib host

[@kimberleydiann771]

Thank you Neil Howe and David Pakman.

[@alexcarter8807]

This shows Mr. Pakman is paying attention to the big picture not just the war/shooting/celebrity faux pas of the week.

[@brigham2250]

As Lincoln said in his Gettysburg address, the US government is supposed to be a government of the people, by the people, for the people. Well, we have too many career politicians to the point that the government can no longer really claim to be "of the people." And it can be fairly stated that it doesn't meet the needs of the people. If it did and people were happy and content, we wouldn't be facing fascism head-on. If the Democrats win the White House, the House and the Senate, they better deliver the goods. Because if they don't, the Right will be back and stronger than before. But the Left may not even get the chance. We're on the brink right now and it is way too close for comfort. And millions will not vote to save us from the terror that is coming. Think about it... a few swing states will determine our future. What bothers me most is that much of the conflict is manufactured and based on propaganda. I'm talking about the Right-wing in particular. They are out of control.

[@Hadenufyet]

They are suffering from severe cognitive distortion. Different president = COMPLETE DESTRUCTION OF USA. 🙄🤪

[@karenrhoads1598]

Well said

[@billwilliams8486]

If democracy is important, the labor however significant should be well done. It's laboring force should be as competent as possible, and the laborer - as it says in the Bible- is worthy of his hire (the wages). Exactly how he/she is paid is indifferent, but being too sharp about it is usually a bad idea

[@BG-fc3em]

"of the people" means coming from their constituency. The problem we have is they are not "for the people" they are for themselves. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Ted Cruz of Texas are two examples.

[@Larrymh07]

I half agree. The Democratic party sucks it's just that the Republicans are worse!

[@ahantu]

In the concluding question, his answer is take care of yourself by investing into ... in order to brace for inflation and coming debt. I think this answer isn't helpful by remaining individualistic. May be he should have said, everyone please unite together to fight all the sh*tty things and shadow organizations that are deteriorating democracy, to innovate new solutions that match this era, etc.

[@jessicabradshaw3365]

Agree!!!

[@anitaevans5361]

Who would've thot we'd get here so quickly?! We truly leave our descendants w/ quite the mess!

[@hwi6913]

The 2008 crisis was the result of deregulation that began in the 1980s.The fact that none of those responsible for this crisis has been held accountable and that part of the public money used to bail out the banks has been transformed into more than comfortable severance packages for some of those responsible for this crisis has most certainly led to a (justified) sense of injustice, which helped to erode trust in institutions already weakened by the discovery that false information had been used to justify a long and costly war on terror, which ultimately resulted in no good for anyone. The fact that no one seems to be considering a return to serious regulation of speculative markets and the fact that political lies are considered free speech indicate that the lessons of these events have not been learned. Added to this is the sinister specter of an ecological apocalypse which the younger generations perceive better than the children of the sixties and which remains to this day without any real response, given that technological progress has not been accompanied by the necessary spiritual revolution, that is, the awareness that everything and everyone in this world is connected far beyond cell phones and the Internet. Just a few thoughts.

[@smileygnome7329]

I would disagree. 2008 was the result of fiat currency. The ability to print money out of thin air will always beget such crisis.

[@hwi6913]

@@smileygnome7329 Economists' opinions differ on this subject, on which I have no personal opinion.

[@ronagoodwell2709]

Many good points raised. In a nutshell, too many things happening at once, including deferred maintenance on our institutions. Humans simply cannot process and respond to such an onslaught. Advanced AI might help, quantum computing and optimization programs. We have proven that humans cannot operate in good faith. Time for the machines to have a crack at it. Hopefully they won't kill us all to make more paper clips.

[@codebloke2200]

Don't forget that regulatory agencies often use input from the industry leaders they are in charge of regulating. As an example, Bernie Madoff got away with vast criminal activity right in front of the SEC due to the prestige he had on Wall Street. The SEC was warned multiple times and provided detailed analysis by 3rd parties and they claim they missed it because they were underfunded. Regulations existed to catch him but were ineffective due to this unholy union.

[@passinthru4788]

@hwi6913: you speak volumes of truth. I’m on the cusp of the Boomer and Generation X. I don’t identify with Boomers, who I’ve come to see as a selfish, greedy, whar loving generation. They are the ultimate me generation. I speak observing and interacting with the Boomer generation as a whole. Under the Boomers, this mess was created. Generation X and Millennials will equal the wealth. All the debt and misery the Boomers are passing onto the rest of the generations is going to be eliminated. Fact.

[@Deseis]

'We're moving into an era that noone alive remembers." *GOOD.* Because what we've been doing clearly hasn't been working. Like, at all. Read a history book, even badly, and you'll see it.

[@tarapaul8212]

I read his book years ago and really liked it. It’s good to hear his up to date views. Thanks for having him on the show.

[@akira1205]

Yes, I always wonder if things are just self-fulfilling prophecies. If people are aware of trends, what’s to say we aren’t collectively creating the outcome.

[@SgtTibbsTX]

Right!

[@kaoskronostyche9939]

If you had read his book you would have had an explanation of the possibility you point out. In short, yes, it is a self-fulfilling prophesy based not on people following trends but based on the very predictable behaviour of humans. Read the book, though - it will explain the notion far better and in more depth than I can.

[@ricardodsavant2965]

I'm reminded of the Joni Mitchell song my grandmother would sing. 'And the seasons they go round and round And the painted ponies go up and down We're captive on the carousel of time We can't return we can only look Behind from where we came And go round and round and round In the circle game'

[@movdqa]

Howe's work has been great over the decades.

[@jameskile5113]

Humans are pretty consistently in conflict with one another somewhere on the planet. This has been the case throughout history. I don’t think it’s that revolutionary to predict that bad things will happen in the future. Very skeptical of this deterministic theory

[@brianmccollaum5489]

It’s hokum. “Look, I’ll make overly broad assertions and then cherry pick over items to only bolster my grift.“ 🤮

[@sonyaj66]

By your comment, it's clear you haven't even read his books. Because if you had, you'd know that they are not "deterministic", but based on historical analysis of cyclical repeating generational trends over what is a long human lifetime, known as a "saeculum". In his recent book, he goes back several hundred years to track how these four turnings have manifested; it's as much a deep dive into history as it is a discussion as to the possible outcomes of the end of this current Crisis that we are in.

[@brianmccollaum5489]

@@sonyaj66 “Cycling” is definitionally deterministic you 5 watt bulb.

[@sonyaj66]

@@brianmccollaum5489 Right...🙄. So, tracking cyclical patterns through history is "deterministic"? I'm not the one pushing 5 watts here, buddy, and if you haven't read the books, your thoughts and opinions are kind of irrelevant. Maybe try looking up the definition of "deterministic" while you're at it 🤡.

[@jessicabradshaw3365]

@@sonyaj66You explained his theory very well and after reading his book, “The Fourth Turning” I agree we are right on target. Prepare and people that don’t have been warned

[@Hadenufyet]

Disappointed that listeners are so unwelcoming & critical. Everyone’s mean anymore, even progressives. Maybe they should read more.

[@matthewrevell2706]

I think the ordered, cyclical view of history is a pipe dream and falls apart when you go back even just a bit.

[@Hadenufyet]

Human nature is extremely predictable, including not learning from history.

[@brianmccollaum5489]

Howe is a fraud. Intellectually bereft and lacking honesty. History isn’t a bunch of “turnings”. It’s as dumb and inaccurate as anything Nostradamus did. And then at the end you know what he’s concerned about? Money. Not humans. He’s disgusting.

[@ajiththomas2465]

Agreed. The Strauss-Howe generational theory has always been a crock of shit. It's the epitome of that braindead quote "Hard times make strong men, strong men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make hard times". You can never actually cleanly define which part of a century is in which part of the 4 Turnings cycle. You can bullshit your way into explaining how a certain period can fit every part of the 4 part generational cycle. It's also extremely subjective to the point of uselessness. In Charleston 1820, a slave owner's good time is their slave's hard time. The Strauss-Howe generational theory is a crock of shit. It's about as accurate as astrology, because one can make up whatever BS meaning they want to with it. It's all idealism with no basis in material analysis.

[@Xplorer228]

@@ajiththomas2465the scary part is that there are movements, particular white nationalists, fascists, alt-right authoritarians who consider these cycles as something they wish to precipitate by enacting chaos to usher in a “Kali Yuga” which will prop up their “superior race”.

[@lynnwilliams4024]

@@ajiththomas2465wow can’t wait to read your book Einstein

[@tylerhackner9731]

I love Strauss and Howe’s work. Very insightful

[@brianmccollaum5489]

Howe the huckster.

[@michellefoulkes3766]

@@brianmccollaum5489😂

[@LCTesla]

I hear people say that "over 100% GDP public debt" number in a dramatic tone every decade, but it mostly just hovers around that level without causing problems. Interest dues on that debt have only dropped in that time as far as I can recall, due to mostly low interest rates (even now they're not extravagant by historical standards). An important thing to realize is that debt is compared to nominal GDP, which rises about 6% a year under normal conditions and even more in times of high inflation. There's a lot of leeway for the debt to grow without debt-to-GDP rising substantially. "Balancing the budget" would make ratio fall like a brick, which is unnecessary and harmful to sectors that depend on public fund inflows.

[@lLeon44-g7j]

well that ending pisses me off, I am an orphan and have no family... FTW

[@50043211]

Its, its, its, as if the economic system that we set up has failed to provide for all and at the same time destroying our societies and habitat for the benefit of the few! WOW! Unbelievable! Seriously Neil? 15 minutes and you are unable to address the root issue while talking the whole time about the symptoms?

[@ruthcrites]

Excellent guest

[@madisonkey8391]

Just bought The Fourth Turning William Strauss and Neil Howe 9.99 Apple Books

[@jakepontiff2669]

What kind of "insight" does this guy offer. He goes on a rant about the debt and how people are living with their parents because of looming crises. The problem isn't debt, its the continued funding of the military industrial complex and corporate bailouts for the rich rather than supporting the broader population. Young adults are living with their parents because of wages not meeting the necessary amount to afford rent. It's so frustrating to see dudes stop short of blaming the economic system we live under. As the rich gain power they will continuously shut out the middle and lower class. Capitalism is the issue, it has been for the longest time. Read anything by Richard Wolfe... And you'll understand how you and your family are shut out and ignored by our government and economic system. We need class solidarity, not republican talking points about debt... smh

[@hughjass8430]

You're speaking about reality. As much as I like Pakman's channel, it doesn't deal in true reality. "Capitalism is good. The Dems are good. The threat is the GOP......blah blah blah" After Wolfe, read Chris Hedges. The decline isn't an accident. Its managed in order to funnel wealth from bottom to top.

[@shaan702]

Yea this is mostly woo woo cherry picked nonsense. There is no mention of material conditions. It’s strictly an idealistic reading of history. People should read Peter Zeihan if they want a more empirical, less woo woo reading of historical trends.

[@xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu]

You're right about income inequality driving a lot, but nations can't just ignore exponentially increasing debt either.

[@shaan702]

@@xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu agreed but the way to address debt like that is by taxing the uber wealthy. This has the effect of both reducing debt and avoiding a default whilst simultaneously reducing income inequality. We got rid of monarchs because we didn’t like that kind of unaccountable concentration of wealth. Now we just get rid of multi billionaires for the same reason. It won’t be enough to simply tax income either. They have to be taxed on existing wealth including stock holdings, real estate, art, shell companies, foreign bank accounts, and every other way they seek to hide their wealth. If they want to stop doing business here or living here then good riddance. It will open up the market to people who will not hoard their wealth and great such inequality.

[@ashranbakth5861]

We do not have capitalism in the United States. You got the government bailing out certain companies/sectors. If we had a capitalist economy then they would die out and new ones emerge to take their place.

[@beepboopbeep5456]

A nice recap of "right-wing talking points" from the past few decades.

[@Liftedtrucks909]

David would you ever consider running for Senate?

[@jessicabradshaw3365]

I’d rather have him online letting us know what’s going on

[@michellefoulkes3766]

@@jessicabradshaw3365😂

[@eddiemaldonado7851]

​@@jessicabradshaw3365 he fits perfect with the delusional democrats in government. Let's fit everything by throwing money at it. Let print money until they break the government. Free everything for power. David loves to criticize the other side but never look in the mirror. It would be a pleasure to be on the same side (Americans) against all corrupt politians in government. Mainstream and David protect democrat like harris who knowingly passed policies that negatively effected Americans, and should be called out... Trump is the evil one when Americans are suffering more now than 4 years ago. Don't believe your wallet and budget.

[@Mikell-h2c]

The government in D C fought fascist , now they are fascist 😢

[@DeejMeej]

I have almost moved back with my parents numerous times in the past 4 years, now at age 35. I'd rather not but could still go either way

[@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104]

Good guest.

[@WaitingtoHit]

"Crisis looms as we approach the Fourth Turning" definitely sounds like a line out of a Scientology movie.

[@dyslexictroll8708]

Thank-you for letting this expert talk about his expertise. I would be curious to know what he would say about another expert understanding that after exponential growth phase comes death phase. Death phase is about the physics of biology: not enough resources to go around. Modern humans have never done death phase before, but I think that death phase will obliterate any sign of economic cycles. Just a guess.

[@Hadenufyet]

I have that book. Thanks!

[@erictolman3417]

very insightful discussion!

[@jacquieloller8504]

If China says it owns Taiwan, it does and everyone must agree, right ! ?! That’s TOTALLY different than Russia saying Ukraine belonged to them….

[@randyrandhawa5347]

David’s been acting like the economy is booming and nothing is wrong, conservatives have been crying about a crash forever is his exact words. We will see you soon here how good at finance and economics he is.

[@anthonywolverton9833]

Didn't he work in the financial industry or something in the past?

[@MaudeWhite-yc6ji]

He appears to identify as a simp... the guest meaning but both actually 🎉

[@elosoguapo8137]

Ah so we’re all screwed. I figured that.

[@brunoheggli2888]

We will all die,so things are ok!

[@kayfitzgerald309]

Yeah 😅

[@MC_AU]

Since the beginning of politics, the BALANCE OF TRADE has overwhelmed all earlier political motives. As we all know, when money ‘moves’, people get rich. There’s a reason the phrase ‘follow the money’ came about.

[@Forestdwellr]

interesting interview.

[@dickelstephen]

The last 3 years everyone has been predicting a recession - instead the opposite has been true. What is more interesting is to predict effects of the inevitable like the continuation of major forces, such as the growing gap between the poor and the exponential consolidation of wealth amongst a group of few, as well as the increase in average world temperature, the demographic changes in Africa, the implementation of AI and the passing of demagogues who currently occupy the world stage and media agenda. What then?

[@shaan702]

The beautiful thing about creating such a vague theory about “cycles” like “renewal, stabilization, decline and crisis” is that you can cherry pick any data set you want to support your theory. There has never been a time in history where it wasn’t one of those 4 things for someone. The underlying thesis is pretty dumb if you think critically about it. He says these periods emerge from people’s attitudes and beliefs. This analysis is completely decoupled from a material reading of history. So resource depletion and climate change don’t make crisis, it’s people’s attitudes. Finding the new world and using those resources didn’t lead to prosperity, it was people’s beliefs. The US being the last remaining country that wasn’t mostly destroyed after WW2 that lead to it become a superpower, it was because they were so unified. It’s an embarrassingly reductionist approach that assumes some kind of cosmic cycle to things that tells people not to look at the particulars. Rather we just have to do better like our ancestors and then things are better. Read Peter Zeihan if you want to see historical trends without all the woo woo nonsense.

[@ajiththomas2465]

Agreed. The Strauss-Howe generational theory has always been a crock of shit. It's the epitome of that braindead quote "Hard times make strong men, strong men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make hard times". You can never actually cleanly define which part of a century is in which part of the 4 Turnings cycle. You can bullshit your way into explaining how a certain period can fit every part of the 4 part generational cycle. It's also extremely subjective to the point of uselessness. In Charleston 1820, a slave owner's good time is their slave's hard time. The Strauss-Howe generational theory is a crock of shit. It's about as accurate as astrology, because one can make up whatever BS meaning they want to with it.

[@shaan702]

@@ajiththomas2465 yes that quote is exactly what it reminded me of. It really is basically the same theory. Prosperity leads to complacency which leads to a decline and then a crisis which leads to boot straps being pulled and prosperity comes again. The astrology comparison is very apt. I think some people find some comfort in the idea that history is a predictable cycle that repeats ad infinitum. I’m happy to see that a decent amount of people in Pakman’s audience aren’t gobbling up this bullshit uncritically.

[@dyslexictroll8708]

Thank-you for this name drop. I am desperate to understand economic thinking: Biologist, "as you can see from my graph there is a 50/50 chance that humans will be extinct in the very near future". Economist, "going extinct is a bad idea as that would ruin my portfolio".

[@shaan702]

@@dyslexictroll8708 😂 I feel you

[@Joseph_Knight]

I would agree with most of this segment except for his Debt Hawkery explanation for inflation. It's obvious corporate greed played an outsized role in inflation, and the government spending doesn't add to inflation if it's done right which is exactly what FDR did, and even Republicans followed suit until Reagan reversed coarse and went back to the "Greed is Good" moto of Gordon Gekko

[@skybrick1036]

Inflation is increased M2 money supply followed by loosening of credit. Your corporate greed argument is nonsense which is simply a symptom of over government spending

[@askeladd60]

@@skybrick1036 that's right Joseph doesn't know what he is talking about, inflation = increase in the money supply, increase in the cost of living is a consequence of that.

[@pharag4886]

Thank you David. C. Hedges turned me on to the forth turning. I love the book and now know that I was born into the wrong generation.

[@kevinmahoney1995]

Libertarian Millennial? Or Communitarian Gen Xer?

[@vthyaga]

fascinating subject. great interview. terrible audio on neil's end.

[@patrickbarnes9874]

David Pakman strikes again. This is like when he did the story claiming mass formation psychosis was a right wing plot. He was pilloried then for the thick irony of engaging in an obvious case of mass psychosis directly within his video about mass psychosis. Now he's bringing attention to the 4th Turning with characteristic lack of self awareness that he himself is one of the weak men making hard times that's causing the turning to approach.

[@nsbd90now]

Insecure teen boys who get bad grades in school and crush on the likes of Andrew Tate are always so obvious.

[@Lamhfhad]

To understand where we are now and where we might be heading one MUST understand the philosophy of postmodernism. Without that analysis, we're just flapping our mouths.

[@martinlakeuk]

Ni Hao Neil Howe!

[@jessicataylortudzin4688]

Good one!

[@markz.5891]

Jan 6th was not a very important event. It has been greatly overblown.

[@amfrpt]

That’s what the trumpers want you to think

[@O7777-u5e]

Bro bought his mic 🎤 at Dollar Tree 💀

[@brucemacmillan9581]

I don't know that this guy makes a whole lot more sense than any number of other societal and economics prognosticators. The bottom line is, no one can predict the future. Some may get the general outlines correct, but that's more dumb luck than anything.

[@jgnmtz]

I also don’t like how Howe said ‘we might have to put aside democracies for a time ‘ .. wtf? Is he socialist ? Because none of the other ist’s are appealing .

[@hotlov72]

I think i seen that movie The 4th Turning in the theatre

[@brianmccollaum5489]

“One of the biggest problems with the book is classic problem of trying to cram all of history into a narrow frame. Its judgements are so impressionistic that they are sometimes simply wrong. Describing the Kennedy administration, the authors refer to its imagining of the future as having “specificity and certainty but lack[ing] urgency and moral direction.” (101) I’m still not sure what that means, but I’m not sure it works on its face. The Apollo program, the US intervention in Vietnam, the civil rights struggle certainly possessed urgency. Moral direction suffused the New Frontier and its expansion of the Cold War, not to mention black organizing against white racism.” ~Bryan Alexander David giving a platform to this type of extremely flawed kind of historical framing is yet another sign of his lack of honest discussion.

[@Mugwump7]

So, you’re saying the election was stolen and poor trump is being unfairly attacked by Biden? Right-o

[@griffincontracting]

Anyone else find Neil extremely.....droll?

[@Hadenufyet]

Funny? No

[@brianmccollaum5489]

No. I find him a “d” followed by “umb”.

[@jjreddick377]

Does humanity possess free will ?

[@Mute2024]

Sobering

[@maryparis9136]

In astrology it’s saying who holds office now will stay in office.

[@michellefoulkes3766]

Not gonna happen

[@brianmccollaum5489]

Howe: “I can make an overly broad prediction and then claim to be a genius about prognostications.” He’s a huckster.

[@Randall-Mi]

LOTUS FOR POTUS! 🌺🇺🇸💙

[@jebus6kryst]

So, what exactly is the Fourth Turning?

[@JLo83]

It is part of something called generational theory. His book is called The Fourth Turning Is Here. It's the sequel to a book called Generations that he and a man named Strauss wrote 25 years ago that predicted a lot of societal change that has come to pass.

[@tomasn3]

What is the video that’s circulating on TikTok where you talk about how you’re leaving KZbin??? Old video? Deepfake? Or is that the case? Would be really sad if that was the case.

[@twboegel2918]

@ 3:11 Democracy? Kinda catchy sounding but where might one see such in literal practice? Rhetorical, like the Unicorn it does not exist although the ptb would have us believe that they do ( yeah, both).

[@nsbd90now]

Working Americans have been under the influence of three negative trends for the past half-century. 1. “The Southern Strategy” which purposefully kept racism alive after the Civil Rights Act. 2. Stagnant and declining wages due to trickle-down Reaganomics resulting in an ever-declining quality of life. 3. “The Powell Memo" written in 1971 by a future Supreme Court Justice. It is a clarion call to corporate business warning of the danger an educated citizenry capable of critical thinking poses to them. It has resulted in attacks upon public education such that they no longer educate students as train them for employment. The Liberal Arts & Humanities-- which provide basic critical thinking skills and a broad foundation of knowledge-- are not just rejected, but are even ridiculed. Ironic given how many of those who do so go on and on about "Western Civilization" and that is THE basic educational curriculum representing it. But... as Chris Hedges says... that curriculum teaches you HOW to think, not WHAT to think.

[@brianmccollaum5489]

This guy’s cherry picking over history to support his infantile attempts to interpret history through a narrow and inherently flawed system is putrid.

[@NoExitLoveNow]

This guy may be a good historian, but I wonder about his economic analysis. The United States does not need to, nor should it, pay down it's debt. So, this will not be a crisis. Also, the economic support provided during the pandemic and its aftermath allowed the economy to return to its previous productive output trajectory - currently 4.9% growth.

[@judibarth7999]

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[@eddiemaldonado7851]

Your democrat politicians play a big part in this society of delusional individuals. What used to be a mental illness now is acceptable and pushed to be the norm. Society needs guide lines to function, and democrats pushing their narratives have given into insanity. Society lost how they manage facts cause feelings are more important. Feelings have no meaning if we're unable to progress with true as a society. Harris is a perfect example of democrat delusions. She makes promises of coming changes when she already VP of 4 yrs. with biden. Giving free money to win votes when Americans will feel the burden of repaying. Also, clean up her mess of 4 yrs. on the border issues. She reminds you of the hardship she helped put Americans with living cost to now promise to low if elected. She has no clue or policy on economics to do it. Where was she when democrats were sending billions around the world ? Look at your household budget now cause it's only going to get worse if harris win. Trump 2024 !!!

[@mattd8725]

Hmm, very interesting. I don't get it.

[@abstractdaddy1384]

Umm, so what's the fourth turning?

[@patrickmatheson1123]

4:55 Why are we asking about a urinalysis?

[@Jesse-ey5xd]

What is the specific prediction he makes? Seems thin

[@mostly-harmless]

More debt comment: "If that's the case then we'll either need to find huge means of getting revenue or begin cutting some of the expenditures" OR MONEY PRINTER GO BRRRRRR What is so hard to understand about this, the cantillionaires are doing it on the daily... we will debt spiral and hyper inflate like every other fiat money empire in history. Learn what Bitcoin is... don't sink with this idiotic ship and cantillionaire captain.

[@BlackMath69]

THE FOURTH TURNING.... muahahahahahahaha...... beware muaaaahhhahahahahaha.....cough

[@BlueRidgeBubble]

Nothing sinister or dramatic about it. It's laid out as history is cyclical, there's for quarters to it Like four pages of a book Hence the fourth turning as you go into the fourth page lol

[@brianmccollaum5489]

@@BlueRidgeBubbleThat was….a particularly unintelligent post on your part.🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jamesfestini]

Eschatology is not healthy for me

[@SleepyOctopus1]

The next regime will be... AI? You agre or disagree, tell me why?

[@eoghancasey2909]

Polar Pakman himself

[@greevous2313]

I love the notion of turning to families for support, this should overall make the country stronger

[@kayfitzgerald309]

Unless you don't have family.. Then what???😢

[@MapleSyrupPoet]

Good ole Black & White Davo ...you lost me 😅

[@adamJKpunk]

Dude is chef of the biggest word salad ever. Just rambling for 15 minutes about nothing. Trying to sell books.

[@Hadenufyet]

I understood him. Maybe because I can also read.

[@brianmccollaum5489]

Agreed. Howe the huckster.

[@DBQ42]

When were younger generations patient for a change? When were they satisfied with the democratic process which is slow tedious and messy? I don't know if I like his analysis. It seems overly cynical and generic.

[@krttd]

Lol "protect your portfolio." As if.

[@areiorum]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day

[@that_heretic]

I grew up in Trump country. I assure you, the type has been talking about succession and civil war since the last civil war. We didn't reconstruct enough.

[@iadorenewyork1]

The fact the man didn’t smile turned me off. He has terrible audio quality, another problem. I didn’t find what he had to say particularly insightful.

[@njosborne6152]

Whatever, Really, whatever? Johnson will be, carrying the old Orange Monster’s junk, all about The House? Selling pots and pans from your kitchen, Avon calling, 1950’s? Now that’s what I call reductively punny 😵‍💫💩😵‍💫 Don’t think about it, ya might hurt yourself👍Nobody could write this👁🙀👁 for money.

[@jorgejohnson451]

This is a bunch of cocky-pock. The guest rambles on in generalities, apparently not wanting to be quoted in 6 years about what he’s saying now. David also does a disservice to the listener, failing to remind us of ANY specifics that his guest said 6 years ago that might be relevant. He probably didn’t say anything more worthy than what he’s going on about now. So why does David have him on again? Let me say this: in one year the nation will be more greatly divided than ever since the Civil War. Of course, that’s not a bold prediction. It’s an obvious foretelling based on the outcome of the 2024 presidential election - however it goes. But it’s pretty much all this guest whines about for 15 minutes.

[@debra1363]

So he said the exact thing you just said here,but when he says it it's "whining"?!

[@MatteBlack2024]

I used to dig David but over the past year, the marshmallow quality of his brand is a bit unsettling.

[@vivahernando1]

You need spice? Who are you liking these days?

[@talkintennis8124]

Finally realizing he is a corporate mouthpiece? Congrats. Many other youtube personalities in the same boat. Kyle K, Young Turks, Tucker Carlson, ect ect. Corporate moved into non traditional mediums quite some time ago when they saw the TV ratings for the nightly news tanking.

[@btspyglass4077]

.oo, at Commies like Dsvid on wht the 4th turning id here

[@Djang221]

Wow masked fascist is there ever was one. Acclaimed by who? I would recommend a serious background check on this guy.

[@BlueRidgeBubble]

Lol utterly ridiculous.

[@eldenlion5850]

Why because unlike you he can think for himself?

[@Djang221]

@@eldenlion5850 He actually says democracy doesnt cut it anymore...so paving the way for MAGA. Hey I'm Dutch.. I'm just asking questions or is that not allowed? Seems autoritarian attitude.

[@Hadenufyet]

@@Djang221hard to take you seriously is all. I didn’t read the book(s).

[@Djang221]

@@Hadenufyet giving up on democracy is like watching someone get beat up/abused/raped and do nothing, let it happen. Which seems actually happening right now in America. Democracy is not necessarily the ultimate solution but the alternatives at the moment seem horrible.

[@johnredberg]

Good questions, terrible answers.

[@firstgenchevelleman]

Jan 6 lol

[@WilliamGreen]

Fa$€/$m is on the way. Remember to protect your portfolio. 😂😂😢😢😢 ☠️

[@hashberry111]

too bad he didn't have a working microphone😟

[@vivahernando1]

What point do comments like this accomplish? I heard this okay enough to understand the conversation

[@dusklvr]

Boomers had it the best

[@michaelhoffman5486]

damn he looks grim hard to look at

[@jackienatla217]

A “theory” (that really is only a hypothesis) that’s lauded by business, think-tanks, and thought leaders but called “dubious”, “unfounded”, and “non-falsifiable” by historians, scientists, and academics is indeed worthy of criticism. Howe indulges in pattern recognition like an artist indulges in creative endeavor. He fancies himself a prophet as he cries out, in book after book, the next great crisis is just around the corner -for the past 50 years-. “I’m part of the strong men of the third turning who create good times. Look at the fruits of my labor!” He’s says, placing himself at the top of his contrived hierarchy. “Cite my prophecy in your research as it is the pinnacle of historical science and a new paradigm.” The naturalization of the economy (in Howe’s case, Capitalism) is an ignorant if not dishonest excuse for class war. If you continually apologize for the orchestrated robberies and they keep happening, you can call yourself an intellectual and hawk your books and accolades on the David Parkman Show and add the renown.