Real strongest category was the friends we made along the way
@normal64834 ай бұрын
Conjuration was the friends we made along the way.
@theoverthinker3484 ай бұрын
@@normal6483 Imaginary friends ARE friends!
@agustin126894 ай бұрын
I hope Togashi finally explains Specialization in regards with the other Nen Categories. So finally the debate between believers of Specialists only having a 40% Enhancement and Believers that Specialists have their own criteria can stop once and for all.
@theoverthinker3484 ай бұрын
@@agustin12689 We may get a defintive answer soon, since Theta is teaching Terror-Sandwich Nen.
@renatoramos88344 ай бұрын
There isn't any debate.
@person544544 ай бұрын
@@theoverthinker348 isnt she taking a break from that now?
@theoverthinker3484 ай бұрын
@@person54454 That depends on whether Terror-Sandwich allows her to, which I doubt
@maka_scythe4 ай бұрын
What would make you think that they don't have a 40% efficiency in Enhancement?
@theyoungknight.31194 ай бұрын
Transmutation has the properties of both enhancement and conjuration.
@Mattress6894 ай бұрын
Like bungee gum.. Did you know that-
@t3qnix1104 ай бұрын
Low key: I think Manipulation may be one of the best categories. We just haven’t seen what it looks like at the highest level. I think it’s a lot more unpredictable than you give it credit for. Even though manipulation does control objects and people, I think the complexity lies in “who, what, where, when, and why.” It’s possible to manipulate people through anything; it could be a song, an object you touch, something you smell, a domain, or even the entire area itself; it’s not always obvious. This can create ambiguity even when you know the person is for sure a manipulator. Not only that, someone can be manipulated without even knowing it; hypothetically, someone can be fighting you while also manipulating you at the exact same time, with you not even knowing when the manipulation started or ended. Manipulation doesn’t only extend to complete and immediate control over someone’s body, but it could also mean that they’re being controlled slowly over time or are having their memories altered in such a way that even though they feel in control for a time, they slowly won’t be, almost like a slow-acting and subtle poison except for your mind. Being unable to discern your opponent's win condition is an incredible boon to Manipulation as a category. Additionally, it can be nearly impossible to tell when and for how long someone is being manipulated, especially when the manipulator can control someone's perception of time, similar to Aizen’s Kyoka Suigetsu in Bleach. Manipulation can be very scary and volatile for anyone going against it, as one mistake could end you; this is not something other Nen categories can do. Suppose you don’t know your opponent is a Manipulator. In that case, you’re fucked, and if you do know, you have to think about so many potential win conditions that if you guess wrong, you’re also fucked; you also might have to consider the possibility that you are already being manipulated, it’s a total mind-fuck. In short, I think the category has a lot of potential; we just haven’t seen the full potential be used yet, which is why Manipulation is such a big question mark. I’m pretty sure that on Togashi’s Nen Skill Level Chart, correct me if I’m wrong, Manipulation was the only category that had no one at Extreme. Great video, as always!
@Raod14Reference4 ай бұрын
At the end of the day, manipulation really can be bottom tier or top tier Manipulators apparently can even steal hatsu if I'm not wrong
@theoverthinker3484 ай бұрын
@@t3qnix110 That's a good point, but the issue is that I don't consider a "slow-acting poison" type of ability a good combat-oriented hatsu, especially for a relatively squishy category like Manipulation. Though a "hit & run" type of ability could work, due to Cojuration's proximity to Emission. It would be viable, but highly matchup reliant. I fully agree about us not seeing the full potential of it as of yet. Thanks!
@Wavedashnoir22 күн бұрын
@Die_Rate embarrassing comment
@agustin126894 ай бұрын
I find it funny how transmuters feel more special than Specialist with how few we have seen so far.
@pavlekovacevic16764 ай бұрын
They feel like logia from one piece
@hipopotamodata99323 ай бұрын
that is true and all but bungee gum possesses the properties of both rubber and gum
@pavleradovanovic35604 ай бұрын
Im floored by there always being more to talk about regarding nen. Good breakdown!
@theoverthinker3484 ай бұрын
@@pavleradovanovic3560 Thanks IRL (not)friend who's commenting to boost the algorythm.
@illumialter87554 ай бұрын
I personally feel like enhancers are a lot better than what a lot of people think. Yes a lot of enhancer abilities we see are very basic but they really don’t have to be. If enhancers can enhance things like their healing factor, and their aptitude for a certain skill, there a plenty of things they can go about enhancing to various effects like their reaction time, analysis abilities, etc, their choices are almost unlimited. It’s just that enhancers typically don’t go about doing this in the story. For example, Ging showed the ability to copy Hatsus purely based on his talent and mental understanding of nen. Now what’s stopping an enhancer from amplifying their own mental aptitude for aura usage and understanding similar to komugi amplifying her aptitude to gungi? Not only would they become a far more adept nen user all around, but they could possibly very quickly reach the point of mastery where they could mimick or even surpass gings ability to copy and build upon Hatsus. That’s just a potential avenue for enhancers to go too. I just wanted to show that not only are enhancers naturally inclined to pure combat, but they have just as much of an ability for various unique abilities and techniques within their own category that could potentially rival other categories such as transmutation. It’s just that we don’t see enhancers do that most of the time. On another note, I didn’t know how stupid genthru was until u brung up the having to protect yourself from your own blasts thing. Genthru genuinely had the potential for a really good Hatsu but fucked it up on the last step..
@Pablito-k8y4 ай бұрын
This may sound stupid but seeing characters like Hisoka apply enhancement (Shu) to cards made me think about why it isn't common for enhancers wear some kind of light armor or protection. If you can apply Shu to something like a card and make it lethal wouldn't a strong enhancer be able to turn something like a metal plate that's already hard into nigh unbreakable? Maybe nen doesn't work like that and you can only make an object so strong regardless of how weak it is initially, idk, but I feel like that nen application is only explored offensively (e.g. swordsmen) but not defensively, I wanna see a enhancer thats a tank lol
@NeoNelito3 ай бұрын
@@Pablito-k8y Shu is heavily reliant on concentration and enhancing an armour can be a convoluted alternative to just using Ken on your body, something far more natural for an Enhancer.
@springlink31884 ай бұрын
Comment on enhancement: I think it’s better to think of enhacement as nen infusion than strictly “make thing stronger”. This could also play into how it helps Komugi with her Gungi skills, while the agent on the black whale one can use his for phytosynthesis, or even that one guy whose Hatsu just boosts his muscles from Greed Island who tried doing the wrestling against one of Razor’s zonvict helpers. It is all the infusing of nen into a thing, whether body part or neural pathway or plant. It also would play into the fact that every nen category is loosely related to each other as you get near another: Emission is manipulation of your aura to make it leave, Enhacement is emission of your Aura to infuse, Trasmutation is enhacement of your aura to change its properties, Conjuration is transmutation of your aura into an object.
@yuma11334 ай бұрын
Enhancement isn't nen infusion, that's shu or gyo. It's just that the baseline of this category is enhancing an object, a proprety or an ability. Every nen user has to use it in combat. We know 2 more advanced applications of enhancement which are healing and growth. Kurapika used self enhanced healing against Uvo. Gon used growth against Pitou and so did the guy on the black whale with photosynthesis.
@agustin126894 ай бұрын
Emission was the nen category that genetics decided was the best for Meruem, that tells you that it is the Best for combat. Also, being able to attack with long range but also having an 80% effectiveness with Enhancement is busted.
@Emerardo4 ай бұрын
The meruem point doesnt make sense
@Kakord74 ай бұрын
this makes no sense
@user-zz3sn8ky7z4 ай бұрын
A. we have no reason to assume nen types are genetic in the first place B. the ants were explicitly stated to have access to only a limited amount of nen users, even if it was genetic, Meruem would get the best *the ants could get*, not the best in general, and the strongest nen users we saw them eat were Pokkle and Ponzu, which speaks for itself (the former of which was an emitter and the latter of which was a manipulator leaning emitter funnily enough) C. Meruem isn't a solider, he's a king, and an individual as well, he wouldn't get the objectively best nen category for fighting, he'd get the nen category that most suits him personally and his position within the ant society
@noahhager11874 ай бұрын
meruem is a specialist his only native ability is the devouring of nen, which is 100% a specialist ability. Any other nen abilities he has are copies of other people's abilities. The beam was an application of youpi's ability, just like shapeshifting. he also used pouf's ability to scatter later.
@Emerardo4 ай бұрын
@@noahhager1187 I agree that aura synthesis sounds very much like a specialist ability as it doesn't fit into any other category. However, Togashi confirmed in the Puzzle exhibition that Meruem is an emitter. There must be some other explanation, like that aura synthesis is a biological byproduct of phagogenesis
@awaisdawood22134 ай бұрын
This is just a theory, but it might be possible that manipulation can also be used to change(manipulation)properties of objects. Maybe pouf's ability to divide himself into smaller fragments can be explained by him manipulating his cell to separate and then controlling them (aided by ant biology of course). In the same way, he manipulating his voice and appearance to act like Kumogi was also through him manipulating himself. This might even explain Hinrigh's ability as him manipulating objects and its properties to act like animals. If this was true it could add another dimension to manipulation.
@katryonkelly37724 ай бұрын
I personally think manipulation and conjuration tend to be the best for combat. Both have extremely high range and versatility and can one shot. High level nen combat rarely involves physical combat. Knuckle and Owl also prove the infinite capability of conjuration. You can effectively give the item any ability you want baring very minimal exceptions. What would be your nen type? Mine would be conjuration, so im a bit bias! Great video! 👍🔥😂
@Seloliva10154 ай бұрын
I really like the list, Conjuring being "discount specialization" is kinda true, Kyte really showed that a Conjurer can be combat specialiced, but they are rare and complicated. I belive that while it is true that Manipulators are mostly at a disadvantage in 1 vs 1 equal fights, they do excel in assasination or plots, or controlling your corpse after they kill you, so most of them even if combat capable, probably don't prefer a fair fight at all. So it makes sense that they are the worst at 1v1s. Also I allways forget about Owl's cloak, since I allways thing "specialization" when I see chorllo use it, but it is true that is a one hit kill ability! Similar a bit to Kurapika, so point to Conjurers.
@wesleyjackson74874 ай бұрын
20:32 Leorio ability is not teleportation he's not teleporting his fist like that pirate on greed island what he does is emit aura after hitting a object then the aura travels to a location of his choosing and a aura shape fist comes out and hits the target we see this with Ging later on he punches the ground many time and sends multiple aura punches to knockout the guys Pariston hired to attack them
@bringerds4 ай бұрын
Classic The Overthinker Analysis. Specialists excel in their respective fields, demonstrating exceptional expertise.
@thedestroy3r3034 ай бұрын
Very detailed, much analysis!
@lupusreginabeta33183 ай бұрын
14:13 I thought you don’t consider characters if that is true there would be a lot of possibilities to make your ability unpredictable with either Emission or Transmutation. For that Reason i would put it in A Tier at Least if not S Tier because they have the Strongest Abilities with the 2 both best other Abilities but i would probably put Emission above Enhancement.
@X_Yournamehere4 ай бұрын
Thank you for the new hunter content!
@honkler14434 ай бұрын
To be honnest they're all completely balanced
@AuroraBoostАй бұрын
I agree
@uuh4yj432 ай бұрын
i like to think of specialists like a phd and other nen masters as masters(which is the terminology used in the series which might mean that is the cap to aptitude, not going up to doctorate). a phd-specialist is an absolute authority on how their hatsu works, meaning they have it tailored perfectly to its purpose. if the purpose is combat it will be the strongest possible application of it, but if its one-on-one or multiple foes it might falter bc it will be tailored to one or the other, bc rarely people have multiple phds, same as specialists having more than one ability(chrollo being the exception, and his secondary hatsu is weaker as is hisoka's gon etc.). a person who has multiple masters degrees is much more common and is where most other users fall. netero had a very varied hatsu that used multiple categories because he had time to master multiple aptitudes, but they were all at peak strenght. which isnt possible for most other people due to time and memory constraints. so in "researching" their own nen aptitude a master will have time to dabble in other categories not limited to their specialty, while a specialist will tailor all their other aptitudes to their specialist ability. we see this with kurapika having many hatsu that dip into other categories at not full efficiency but add to his versatility, and using his specialist hatsu to improve how those baser abilities work. morel on the other hand has the limitation of his complex hatsu being very versatile but not as strong as kurapika's or chrollo's. i like this as the framework bc it implicates how much nen is intelligence based and how that is what limits it.
@mfgrobin96574 ай бұрын
Specialisation abilities always excibited properties arround conjuration(skillhunter and rental, Terpsichora,ghostwriter?) manipulation (Terpsichora, terrorandwishes 2nd nenbeast) , Time , Ability stealing, memories, full other nen access and finally "wish granting". So far we have never seen specialisation dabble with anything else directly in association except emperor time which specificly states its purpose is to give you access to every other nen flavor which shows clear Destinctions and outlines between it and the other categories trade marks. Nanikas power specificly is difficult to discern because there seem to be limits or choices made by Ai like why did it not just produce the money asked for but rather teleported a whole cargo ship carrying the money instead but we never are explained to why Emission? was used over Conjuration and my best guess is that Nen doesnt play always a role once a wish is declared or it doesnt tie to the other categories. i digress. Point is The Element of Suprise is relative compared to variety and individual understanding. You will have to figure out a Opponents Nen all the same one way or the other. Specialisation doesnt grant you an absolute Edge here and it exhibits outlines of what it can be that somebody with high analytical ability and gyo can discern all the same. Your point to put it above everything in terms of suprise factor and obscurity seems mute to me. The only exception to this is Enhancement which is as far as we understand certainly the most straight forward which might also be arguable.
@yargolocus485327 күн бұрын
the best one depends on what your type is, and what you'd use the best yourself
@marceloasensiofilho38334 ай бұрын
I am eager for the 4th prince video. I want to see you try and explain his hatsu. (It is very complicated and thus fun to see youtubers try and usually fail to make the audience understand it)
@theoverthinker3484 ай бұрын
@@marceloasensiofilho3833 Aye, there's SO much to talk about Terror-Sandwich, which, while I usually would see as a good thing since it allows me to really deep-dive into a subject, I find it daunting in this case, since the video would be super long and the prince series just isn't getting nearly enough views for the huge amount of time and effort it would entail. I'm still most likely going to do it, because I wanna, buuuut I'm almost not looking forward to it.
@xios97494 ай бұрын
The conditions placed on conjured weapons being bound be touch, or in general simple condition of closeness is more of a lack of originality on togashi’s prt, than a weakness of the power, if kurapika can add a condition as intangible as « if I use this on people of a specific group, whom I don’t even know the identity of, it will shut them down nen wise (basically insta win) », then one can assume that they could add conditions such as if the enemy goes further than some arbitrary distance or if they go out of my line of sigh, then make my attack holm in on them, or use my ability automatically on them, which would by pass the « emission » weakness you have presented
@SeveraLF4 ай бұрын
Subbed for the HxH vids
@Mutuero3 ай бұрын
(Just a theory) On the other hand, I do think the distribution can be applied to specialists or at least it would make some sense, that’dwhy Chrollo was weaker physically than Hisoka in their fight even though Chrollo is even more skilled with nen; he was weaker physically because he has less affinity to enhancement. There haven’t been any tough specialists yet.
@chucknorris29134 ай бұрын
I tend to agree about the manipulator vs conjurer. If i think about a life and death situation, i'd probably not want manipulation which is inconsistent, and instead go for a more reliable option that functions the same expected way every time.
@mladen51404 ай бұрын
Great video brother
@theoverthinker3484 ай бұрын
@@mladen5140 Thanks dude!
@matijasostojic42884 ай бұрын
The thing about this ranking is something you don't seem to take into account. Personality. Every nen user of the same category share a similar mindset or way of doing things. A specialist will never make a full on combat hatsu and a enhancer will almost never make a hatsu that is anything more than "This one thing is better" because that is just how they think and act. If all an enchancer needs is a big punch, then ALL an enchancer needs is a big punch. This is why, even with your opinion, I still say that Enchancement is the S tier one. They are almost always the only ones that will ever make a truly combat based ability (Gon, Uvogin and Netero) and then on the other side will also make Hatsu that are usefull only outside of combat (Like Palm or Komugi). Unless you have a hard counter to them in Hax, only a fool would challange a master enhancer like Uvogin to a battle since they will nost likely die. Doesn't matter if you have a special hatsu if my punch will litterally atomise the air around it.
@uuh4yj432 ай бұрын
enhancement is really strong. look at halkenburg, but its also vulnerable, look at uvo. it just isnt flexible enough to be THE best.
@matijasostojic42882 ай бұрын
@@uuh4yj43 But they don't need to be flexible. Objectively Kurapika won only because he had judgement chain. Almost every nen user in the show, probably even Chrolo, would lose in a fight unless their ability is beyond broken.
@kemonchapman49104 ай бұрын
I’m sorry but no one is gonna convince me that the ability to manipulate “anything” is busted as hell because it doesn’t really have the same limitation that conjuration does. You can’t conjure ANYthing you want, but there have been no limits really to what can be manipulated. Being next to emission is also not being given enough credit in terms of compatibility. Say they have to get close to activate the manipulation, good thing emission is at 80%! Manipulators can get around their physical restriction with body alteration as well (Shalnark and Illumi) and don’t need to “KNOW” (Illumi manipulating the ground to hiding in holes) something super well to manipulate it like Conjuration and Transmutors do. We just haven’t seen a high level user expand upon the category because it’s the only one without an expert. Also I have a head canon where the restrictions and vows are easier for conjurers and manipulators to make because of their one percent distribution in specialization. Usually vows and conditions is what makes any hatsu busted, so I think being able to more easily use these vows and things could be really busted if that is the case. All in all I think they are far more versatile because of their lack of limits. How would one realistically figure out if an opponent is manipulating an object or you through a medium until you’re struck by said object?
@Javetts4 ай бұрын
4:43 We've actually seen more specialists than Transmutors iirc, or maybe that's hatsu and not users. And imo Manipulators have easier one-shot potential than conjuration
@Mutuero3 ай бұрын
I think manipulation’s tier will change once we see its full potential. I myself don’t see a way in which manipulation is that powerful, however Illumi has a 9.5 in Hisoka scale. I don’t find a way in which Illumi could be that dangerous to Hisoka as long as he dodges the needles and as long as it is a 1v1 scenario, but he still has a 9.5. I think once we see Illumi fight we might reconsider other ways we didn’t think manipulation could be used. As for now, the only applications of manipulation I can think of are a worse transmutation (manipulating something, but it has to be in the environment and it still harms you (this can be something positive if you control air and drain it out of somebody for example but still)), controlling humans through different channels (sound, vision, area…) and manipulating somebody’s senses.
@uuh4yj432 ай бұрын
what kills hisoka is a manipulation ability being used by chrollo, so illumi being a very strong manipulator makes sense he is dangerous to hisoka given that is the kind of ability that did him in.
@Mutuero2 ай бұрын
@@uuh4yj43 still, Chrollo only pulls it off thanks to his other abilities that help him disappear among the people and that the stamps of order stamp are limitless. Illumi’s needles are not limitless, he would not disappear so he wouldn’t be able to literally create an army without opposition… Hisoka would go for him and even though his needles are powerful, as I said, as long as he’s able to dodge them or block them with bungee gum, Illumi is defenseless, like a glass canon but without a lot of versatility tbh. He’s not weak, but not that powerful either.
@Nedoiko4 ай бұрын
I would love to know what do you think about Healing as a combat application, so far the only direct healing ability has been Kurapika's supposedly enhancer type chain, but there's examples of others such as Dr Blythe and Bungee Gum (in a very roundabout way) which seem to be stronger "healing ability" but at a significant time cost that makes them less combat viable
@JAMES_IS_HERE13 күн бұрын
How are they Ranked for the culinary arts?
@dirkloid42614 ай бұрын
I did not know that Alexander the great is so well studiert in the arts of nen Truly a king worth following
@hcohic98844 ай бұрын
i agree with most thing said in this video IF and only IF we are going with your strict definition of ''combat '' becuase as we seen through out the story most manipulators or specialists arent going into head on fights with enhancers without replanning. combat is not as staight forward as that. this is why so many fans were complaining about the hisoka chrollo fight for example saying he '' cheated '' but it makes no sense , no experienced nen user would do something like unless you are gon or uvo or camilla. but it usually doesnt end up well for low impulse poeple like that.
@bakublade14 ай бұрын
In regards to the specialization distribution, isn't it possible that they have a standard distribution but in the case of stolen abilities, it would make use of the distribution of the original owner?
@notanassassin1210Ай бұрын
Wow. I understand the whole emission lvl or conjurer lvl now. Thanks m8. Great vid. Very enhanced. Anything different though, I would switch enhancer and transmuter. As emission is the best, closer to emission makes you closer to perfections. Enhancers can make great elementalists honestly. Think about the avatar, emits aura, tramsutes it into wind, fire, earth, and water...manipulates it... Hes either and enhancer or some specialist. But for my money, enhancers are natural wizards. What do you think? which category makes the all around best mage? cause this could explain wizard colleges. In some games, wizards can only learn from a certain school of magic.
@theoverthinker348Ай бұрын
@@notanassassin1210 Best spellcaster? Oh, definitely Conjurers, no doubt in my mind. They'd not only have access to the pseudo-specialists effects Conjurers can benefit from, but would also have a 80% prof in transmutation, in case they do decide to opt for any elemental shenanigans.
@jwalkblue74 ай бұрын
Enhancer. The two strongest humans we've seen were enhancers. Its possible to become strong/fast enough to take down your opponent before they can do anything. Obviously talent level matters, but that applies to every category.
@Tupadre973 ай бұрын
But the strongest nen user was an emitter...
@jwalkblue73 ай бұрын
@@Tupadre97 "two strongest humans"
@xavier-michaelmuli1653 ай бұрын
@@jwalkblue7netero and who?
@jwalkblue73 ай бұрын
@@xavier-michaelmuli165 Gon
@tytar10372 ай бұрын
Illumi has an incredibly strong ability. Those darts are basically a one shot. Unless you could use enhancement to protect yourself. Also, I think you vastly underrate the hax abilities of conjuration and manipulation. Sure, they get screwed but they make up for it with pure hax
@Thevoidlezz27 күн бұрын
Find it that most specialist we see in there main ability is mostly conjuration type if we look at pakunoda and neon mostly emision and for neferpitou a combo of conjuration and manipulation.
@MrMythul3 ай бұрын
I believe netero does use enhancement on the statue itself. I believe he uses every single nen type with his techniques.
@FrankieH-792 ай бұрын
Why would specialists have their own distribution or be outside the system tho?
@Capslok233424 ай бұрын
i mean, kurapika's emperor time is undeniably specialization, and undeniably negates the whole category limitation thing, so yeah, specialization first place in the best senario we seen in the manga. an "emperor time kurapika" would be better than a kurapika from any other category! S - Specialization A - Emission B - Transmutation C - Enhancement D - Manipulation E - Conjuration
@matijasostojic42884 ай бұрын
Well emperors time specifically states that it makes him a specialist AND gives him 100 percent in every category on exchange for his life.
@vitordarksider3 ай бұрын
Emperor Time doesn't make him suddenly stronger than any other nen users that are masters in their own categories, what it does is it allows Kurapika to fully reach his OWN potential in regard to the other categories.
@AuroraBoostАй бұрын
@matijasostojic4288 no, emperor time doesn't make him a specialist. Emperor time is his ability as a Specialist (when his eyes go red)
@jason88844 ай бұрын
Nice work man, your script is really well written and very well delivered.
@theoverthinker3484 ай бұрын
@@jason8884 Much appreciated!
@soulking68014 ай бұрын
You gonna continue the series explain all the princes of the kakin empire?
@ExplosiveGrape4 ай бұрын
Idk if HXH ever answered this but if cutting of your transmission from your body makes it an emission. So what if an enhancer turned there hand into a weapon like Ikalgo or Rammot and cut it off, would it then become a manipulation since you created the weapon from your arm or a conjuration because it first classified as not existing and then existed, or would it still be seen as a enhancement?
@Tyranastrasza27 күн бұрын
I'm conviced Netero's hatsu is conjuring and manipulation precisely because it is his two worst categories. I'm also sure he reached peak enhancement when he started his punch training when he was 46.
@AngryBirdzMTheOneonlyreelkool3 ай бұрын
Well Done.
@faruquekhan33533 ай бұрын
Interestingly, I would categorize it as the same. And with Specialization, it should not even be on the list because it's just too random. I see manipulation in the bottom because they just have to rely on manipulation and by itself it's kind of weak. Conjuration has the limit breaker with crazy conditions.
@dachchet73854 ай бұрын
I always saw neteros ability as an enhancement of prayer and martial arts. To like divine levels
@Seloliva10154 ай бұрын
Which do you think is the hardest to master? Since Enhancers might be the easiest
@theoverthinker3484 ай бұрын
@@Seloliva1015 Thaaaat's a good potential video topic. Off the top of my head, either Conjuration or Transmutation.
@KanderUdon4 ай бұрын
Need to see illumi actually fight in order to see a proper manipulation fight. Nice vid
@AuroraBoostАй бұрын
Chrollo gave you more or less how good a manipulator can be, even though it was a borrowed ability
@spyrosgkoumas53394 ай бұрын
I disagree with you on one thing. I think conjures don’t need emission. I think it is the best 40% affinity Ben type they could have. That is because they can create anything. They can create objects that return to them or home in on a target. They can create conditions that force their opponents to remain close to them. Essentially their creations do not need to be emitted. They can move on their own if they want to. Or conjures can just create conditions where their opponent is forced to engage with them in their own terms. I agree with you that conjuration is not the most natural combative ability so I agree with this rating though
@dicksolomon7014 ай бұрын
generally, i agreeee with that assessment
@MiniBinguss4 ай бұрын
Enhancers should NOT be using pure enhancement based hatsu. An Enhancer using enhancement creatively actually gets to use the other categories with a lot less downsides than you might think ontop of getting the best physical stat boost out of all categories. A transmuter using purely transmutation in their hatsu (so its 100% made up of transmutation) to add a property to their aura results in 100% efficiency of the hatsu, but an enhancer instead could choose to divide the category usage up in their hatsu to use 20% transmutation to add the property and then use 80% enhancement to enhance the property. This way an enhancer still gets 96% efficiency in their transmutation hatsu. Similar workarounds can be used for emission instead of emitting raw aura and shooting it, it is better to shoot or throw an object as this way you can enhance that objects properties which gives you a comparable impact to an emitter of similar strength shooting pure aura. Conjuration can also be made to work as you could conjure objects with very poor durability and use enhancement to get the durability back to what you would like it to be. For Manipulation there are certain hatsu where portions of manipulation can be replaced with enhancement, using pure manipulation to make someone have slight positive view of you and then using enhancement in combination with manipulation to "enhance" the positive view they then have, this should work, after all you can enhance conceptual things like "Gungi skill" so "enhancing" emotions and feelings like respect or loyalty or love doesnt seem that crazy to me. Through adding a downside that enhancement can fix easily, an enhancer gets to enjoy considerably higher efficiency in other categories. lets assume Hisoka was an enhancer, this would give him 25% (25% of 80% gets you up to 100%) more physical stat boosts compared to hisoka as a transmuter at the costs of enhancer hisoka getting maybe a 5% loss in efficiency in bungee gum if he uses the tricks stated above, his texture suprise would suffer a lot more tho but thats not really combat oriented anyways.
@yuma11334 ай бұрын
Enhancers can also use the 2 other main enhancement applications, healing and growth. One could for example make a counter ability like Feitan but the activation would heal him from the damage he took. Another could use seeds as grenades etc. And i'm not counting the other categories an enhancer can use
@hipopotamodata99323 ай бұрын
the only reason normally enhancers have just "hit strong" habilities is that the users have shit creativity is how hisoka said enhancers are normally simple and determined and i fell like Netero hability 100-type Guanyin Bodhisattva enhancers the hits of the Guanyin Bodhisattva
@usucktoo3 ай бұрын
Summoning is pretty much conjuration. Sp they probably can have really strong combat viability if a conjurer actually focuses on combat, like Kite.
@playgame53314 ай бұрын
You have a point with Emission
@abyss2.0dyr22 күн бұрын
Wait I still don’t get what hatsu is
@JAMES_IS_HERE13 күн бұрын
Hatsu is an ability like Gon's Jajanken or kurapika's chains
@martimsousa26014 ай бұрын
Cool 😎
@parkersmith87114 ай бұрын
I have to disagree and specialization does still follow the standard distribution but just allows for more abilities. Since in the series that's how it still is since nothing has been said on it otherwise and then how would someone people be able to shift into it otherwise?
@uuh4yj432 ай бұрын
i think pitou being a specialist kind of fogs over how people view it. pitou is off the scale physically strong so people assume they are more proficient enhancers than should be possible, but its just because they are a royal guard. we havent seen a specialist that uses enhancement in any capacity strong enough to disprove the nen-wheel, so i think this is wishful thinking by theorists. on the same coin which specialist ability has insane nen use in emission or transmutation attached to their power? i cant think of one, most conjure objects or manipulate them, including pitou who is the physically strongest combatant specialist, and chrollo and kurapika who are the strongest human nen specialists in fights. chrollo conjures a book and uses other people's hatsu and kurapika uses his own biology to access the specialization, which is still tied to his manipulation and conjuration hatsu, not having any specific enhancement or transmutatikn hatsu besides nen basics, unless stealth doplhin isnt a specialist ability but an emission based one, which seems unlikely given it seems he cant use it outside emperor time.
@mfgrobin96574 ай бұрын
You forgot MALD . let this not distract you that Bungee gum has also the abilities of Rubber AND Gum.
@stealthmonkeydc28694 ай бұрын
Inb4 Emission rules.
@corbis77652 ай бұрын
If if you’re an enhancer, couldn’t you just enhance any aspect such as intelligence or Nen output?
@theoverthinker3482 ай бұрын
@@corbis7765 Enhancing your intelligence may be a bit too broad of a concept, but I don't think it's undoable. It'd just take a relatively decent amount of "Nen memory" to create a hatsu like that (compared to something like getting better at a singular game, i.e. gungi) and the vast majority of Enhancers prefer to focus on combat.
@corbis77652 ай бұрын
@@theoverthinker348 well I think enhancement can get incredibly broken like imagine komogis nen ability but combat related
@uuh4yj432 ай бұрын
@@corbis7765 enhancers can also enhanve their bodies and mental faculties, so a komugi-like application of it towards something as simple as shooting a gun accurately is a possible enhancement hatsu, or something like godspeed to enhance reaction time. most abilities can be conjured thru any category if you play with the rules right.
@Walt_Chocolate3 ай бұрын
As a conjurer, I am the weakest inept fighter. I am of no threat to you or anyone whatsoever. Conjurer: creates Cov-id😢
@Gorbology4 ай бұрын
I’m very excited to see how the new batch of Togashi chapters affects everyone’s perception of nen. Either having a ground-shaking new revelation or cementing current perspectives would be fun to witness
Off topic, but you know what's weird about the implications of Emperor Time? Kurapika's explanation means that the nen distributions are misleading, because you very arguably get double penalized. A normal conjurer is not only as limited as an emitter who only possesses 40% of that conjurer's nen skill, but is inferior to the 40% emitter by 60%. Thus, a conjurer could be argued to only have something like 16% proficiency in emission. Then, with Emperor Time, Kurapika returns his emission to a true 40% that could compete with an emitter 40% as skilled as Kurapika. This also means that Emperor Time more than doubles his emissive potential while only increasing his transmutative potential by a fourth.
@theoverthinker3484 ай бұрын
@@withoutonly672 I need to check the math, but that sounds right. In general, you really shouldn't want to go past your adjacent categories. HOWEVER, as Netero, Zeno, Morel, etc. have shown us, that entirely depens on your skill level, restrictions and pledges.
@siegfried79884 ай бұрын
specialist should have been last place especially since we are talking about overall specialist where the majority of specialist are noncombatives/ are limited in combat potential
@Taislinmaosdela3 ай бұрын
It always annoyed me that Illumi's physical stats are emplied to be so high. Manipulators are supposed to be frailer than other nen types to make up for the fact that most of their abilities are a one hit win condition. Yes, he has done extensive assassin training, so I'm not annoyed that he's obviously above other nen users who have not done such extensive training, however if we pair him up with Hisoka, or Gon, or Killua, his bad enhancing profficiency should mean he would not stack up to them at the end of the day in terms of raw physical stats. Hope we see more of him soon, as he just seems to be hyped to be physically close to Hisoka, which is insane given their Nen natures.
@DorianBroggy3 ай бұрын
The 2 most famous manipulator are jacked af what are you saying
@UpperNileGuy3 ай бұрын
He can clearly manipulate his own body with his needles its not crazy to think he could modify his body to be stronger if he can completly change the structure of his body like we saw in the hunter exams
@agustin126894 ай бұрын
I hope one day you make a video about how Pitou wasted their potential the same way Kastro did. Pitou created various Nen Powers by what they needed at the moment. That Made it so Pitou's potential was scattered. If Pitou only used their potential on the hatsu focused on combat I believe they could have given Gon a better fight and Even problems.
@zainy_inc1543 ай бұрын
W
@nicholalehtimaki35974 ай бұрын
I think the reason Genthru didn’t think to conjure gloves is because like Kurapika, he did lots of image training focusing on bombs, and it would take more effort focusing on something he’s not as emotionally attuned to to learn to conjure something else
@t3qnix1104 ай бұрын
I also think that, unlike Feitan’s sun, Genthru’s explosions come from his own hands, whereas Painpacker is a sun emitted outside of Feitan’s body. So, it could be the case that the protective gloves would nerf the output of his attack, like putting a silencer on a gun in the same way it already does. It may be better to create a complementary ability for Little Flower to conjure and manipulate significantly smaller-scale bombs outside his body to produce bombs that, while small in size, are huge in quantity, like Deidara, as well as different types of bombs, like land mines. It might be more challenging, but the idea is still bombs, so it should be much easier than conjuring something else entirely. Genthru would be a long-range fighter and could keep Little Flower as an albeit weak but “it kinda works” get-off-me tool.
@uuh4yj432 ай бұрын
@@t3qnix110 silencers make guns stronger tho, since it lenghtens the barrel.
@Page_max4 ай бұрын
One great example of Emitter is likely to be Prince Benjamin, He inherits the nen abilities of his subordinates after their death.
@theoverthinker3484 ай бұрын
@@Page_max I think so too. Personality-wise, he's also a good match for the category
@vojinrandjelovic96034 ай бұрын
MOREL
@Tupadre973 ай бұрын
There are no nen "categories" in hxh only hatsu. Hatsu is what the 6 categories are themselves and the abilities using those hatsu are just called abilities.
@Hierophant_Bean4 ай бұрын
If specialization has 100% proficiency in all categories it's the best combat attuned nen type
@kimashitawa81133 ай бұрын
Manipulation is the best because it can turn you into a Super Saiyan.
@-Datboijj-3 ай бұрын
enhancemnt and transmutation can also do that
@kimashitawa81133 ай бұрын
@@-Datboijj- Haven't seen them do it though, unlike Shalnark.
@-Datboijj-3 ай бұрын
@@kimashitawa8113 gons adult form was basically super saiyan and killuas god speed form is basically electric super Sayan
@lil_c25852 ай бұрын
I think there are no good and bad nen types just good and bad wielders of it
@Ballistic-vn6em4 ай бұрын
Conjuration is the best. Even if you don't have control over a certain type of nen, you can conjurate something that can do anything.
@jakeryker37514 ай бұрын
I actually had a theory that Issac Neteros true hatsu hasn’t been revealed. That his true hatsu is actually nen enhancement. Like the dude is such a powerful enhancer he can actually enhance his proficiency in the other nen category.
@DrakusLuthos4 ай бұрын
I have a feeling that the reason why Conjurers can create supernatural objects is because Conjuration borders Specialisation. Those supernatural effects are a limited application of Specialisation.
@daviheringer24914 ай бұрын
All pitou´s abilities can be explained without specialization
@yuma11334 ай бұрын
Then how does she prevent body decomposition ?
@daviheringer24914 ай бұрын
@@yuma1133 manipulation?
@yuma11334 ай бұрын
@@daviheringer2491 How is that manipulation ? The dead body was also able to use it's own aura.
@playgame53314 ай бұрын
What u mean decomposition?
@daviheringer24914 ай бұрын
@@yuma1133 you are right bro.
@n00dyl692 ай бұрын
don't let this distract you from the fact that bungee gum has the properties of both rubber and gum.
@soulking68014 ай бұрын
Cope and seethe emission ability would ironically put the press on alot of Nen users in combat. Lol
@theoverthinker3484 ай бұрын
@@soulking6801 The more you're losing.... the stronger your effects gets... I can see it!
@playgame53314 ай бұрын
Simple, Enhancers don't need a hatsu. It is the hatsu itself.
@Tupadre973 ай бұрын
This makes no sense all 6 "categories" are hatsu
@projesusantisatan35833 ай бұрын
Merume favorite character the series I still can’t believe that he’s a ignition type user are you kidding me? He should be specialist. None of his abilities scream ignition to me except for a rage blast and that’s not even his own technique.