Neo Geo: Open MVS

[@LandmanEDC]

This is wicked neat. Thanks for featuring it in a video Bob! Great work!

[@WrestlingWithGaming]

This looks awesome. If I was in the market for a cmvs I'd probably go this route. Great video.

[@Overflow066]

Those shots make it look so clean, for a brief moment I thought it was a 2D placeholder made with an pc.

[@cbeaumont]

I bought a MV1C not too long ago after a Smokemonster recommendation. I have been sitting on this for awhile but it looks like that wait accidentally paid off!

[@Kevinwoolford123]

Very cool 😎 I love my MVS 1fz and recently jumped on atomiswave as I'm I'm huge kof fan 😀 this looks really nice

[@jackbootshamangaming4541]

SWEET! I just got a MiSTer last monday and I've fallen in love with Neogeo. ALthough looking at this, I'm thinking of getting an MV1-F, adding stereo, and using as supergun instead. I can then use cabs and other PCBs too.

[@tenchuu007]

Solid work. Thanks for doing the real groundwork to a degree I at least wouldn't think to.

[@_kikaso]

I’ve been looking for something like this for years. Based on all of the crappy options available, so have others it seems. Any conversion that’s any good is expensive. Really excited for this.

[@Xithos777]

Thanks for doing this video. Nice work. Helped me with my kit a whole lot.

[@cromulence]

That OSSC video is insane. It literally looks as good as raw digital output from the video chip.

[@RetroRGB]

Yeah, I was really impressed. I mean, each individual MV1C board will perform slightly different, but that's still the best quality I've ever seen from ANY Neo Geo.

[@espset1234]

Awesome stuff! Always found the arcade-scene a bit hard to get a grip on, but this helps a ton! 😙 Also, I want one🤤

[@boogiemanspud]

Bob, not sure what all you've done, but you've made an EXPONENTIAL leap in quality this week. I've always been a fan of your work, but WOW you nailed it this week! Absolutely great production value. I'm not really in the market for a consolized MVS but this is a neat project. I have one made from a B board done in a super unique way, which is MUCH more compact than the C. Here's the super secret tip: If you aren't afraid of desoldering and soldering about 100+ pins, you can desolder the stock board coupler connectors and instead use board to board pin header connectors to couple the boards. You flip the cartridge slot board of an mV1B onto the back side of the main board. Use PCB feet to keep the main board off of the enclosure and you end up with the absolute most compact MVS board possible. It's like where real estate is expensive, you build vertically instead of horizontally. It takes some thinking and looking but you'll realize that back to back makes the pins align correctly, you don't even need a probe to check connections because they are what they are with no strange routing. Flip em and stick em together and you've created the most compact MVS known to man.

[@RetroRGB]

Thank so much for the compliment! I try to make these videos enjoyable to watch, even if the product isn't for you. I've seen the B-board customized ones and they look awesome. LOL, looks like a TON of work though!!!

[@boogiemanspud]

@@RetroRGB Yeah, it was the most intense or at least involved soldering/modding job I've ever done and I'm really into soldering. I'll give you a glimpse into my insanity: I did this without a desoldering gun, all desoldering braid and a hand pump solder sucker. :)

[@thefifthdoctor6780]

This is cool, I’m pretty set with neo geo aes and neo pro

[@RafaelBalboa]

"You could use anything you'd like to cover the MV Assholes" - the part of me that never left fifth grade loved this

[@StephanieHua]

for anyone curious @13:55, quick and dirty explanation: Line5x: 320x5 = 1600 240x5= 1200 (top and bottom gets cut off)

[@owlnonymous]

Really cool project! I'm looking forward to assembling one. It would be awesome if that acrylic panel under the MVS was replaced with an EL panel for illumination.

[@RetroRGB]

Oooo, good idea!!!!

[@houssamm3171]

In Times of Ps5 and xbox Series X the Neo Geo is a console like none else and a true dream

[@samsulummasamsulumma6898]

Nice!!! Another quality presentation, well done Bob👍

[@RetroRGB]

Thank you!

[@madson-web]

For me 3d printing parts has it's own charm.

[@pepe4404]

as an owner of an "glued in hdmi" MVS i appreciate this video as there are now more options. I will say that my MVS with that glued in SCART to HDMI box really isn't that bad at all and i've played it for countless hours without noticing any lag in both SCHMUP and Fighting games. The build quality on mine was mediocre at best and thankfully this new option looks superior in many ways. great video, thank you!

[@random_an0n]

you are coping hard af anon

[@pepe4404]

@@random_an0n no cope. simply put the modern mechanisms to convert the neo geo video signal to component easily didn't exist easily 10+ years ago (ie: openmvs). really wasn't as bad as the video made it out to be. did what we could with what we had. consolizing these been a thing for quite some time.

[@PyronsLair]

BoB its an amazing new, its definitily what the comunity needs, for sure I will try save some money to get one of these. Thank you for the video

[@AndreVandal]

Love my Consolized MVS, that and the NeoSD I'm set to play everything Neo Geo

[@emmettturner9452]

Exactly what I needed after trading my MV1 for a MV1-C. :)

[@jd.3493]

Pretty awesome! I have a Cbox that I thought would be trash and has turned out great. Component out to my RetroTink!

[@RTYGames]

Sick product! I’m going to stick to my retroelectronik supergun and mvs board but it’s good to know alternatives that are worth it are out there

[@CollinKenny]

Awesome Bob, thank you! Looks awesome.

[@Larry]

Gotta say, this does look cool! how far is it away from being used as a Super Gun as well?

[@RetroRGB]

It's not really designed for that. Tian has a supergun coming out this year and the HAS or MiniGun are also excellent choices if you'd like a modern supergun with good features.

[@AltimaNEO]

@@RetroRGB Whats the difference between a Supergun and something like this?

[@lee3r24]

@@AltimaNEO this basically turns the MV-1C into a MVS Console, a 'supergun' is intended to be plugged straight onto the jamma edge and act as an interface for power/AV/controls etc

[@aliabdallah102]

@@AltimaNEO this is more designed to be more permanent.

[@totalprocall6894]

Have one of these. Bought it recapped with neobiosmasta 4.0 and its just awesome. Lightweight, small footprint, cute looking, top class RGB, what more can you ask!?

[@AlexUnderBase]

Very nice project! Thank youn, Bob ✌️

[@rndmlogin]

I am a little late to the party but THANKS for this video. Love neogeo but trying to find a cabinet local at a decent price is not working out. I think I will pick up board and a kit and start playing and work on a cabinet of my own when I get my vpin project finished!

[@Servbot01]

Are they selling separeted parts, like the sound? I can only see the pre-order option for the entire console on their site.

[@beeaye7944]

They let you opt out of the "full console" in the "Select your parts" selection, but I think it's still everything except the MVS board.

[@CyclingNeko]

I'm new to this but interested on this setup. How do we add coin to play the game? I don't see any coin button on the kit (only saw power and reset button).

[@jcchaconjr]

This is awesome, especially considering that I just bought an MV-1C about a week ago, hoping that a “good” solution would come out soon! The fact that I already have the Genesis HD-Retrovision cable makes this a serious contender for me! I have to ask, though - why not just make the case a tad taller to make room for the stand-up battery socket/heat sink? I’d feel bad about making permanent modifications to a board if it doesn’t have any. At least a stand-up battery holder would be a minimal change.

[@RetroRGB]

Good question. The main reason is that removing the heatsink and bending the audio amp is 100% reversible. As long as you're careful and save the heatsink, you can fully restore it some day if you ever wanted it 100% original.

[@zdthn]

I had the same thought when I first saw the case but avram did a couple of remodels to miss the heatsink and it just thought everything out of whack. That lead me to the data sheet for the amp and then we also tested it using 12v and mono out for a few days in a cab and with a supergun. We could not get that amp to heat up at all. I am willing to venture that the heatsink is overkill but also that it was intended to prevent the thermal shutdown that might happen if it was running 14 hours a day in an arcade in 100 degree heat. Your question is 100% fair it it was a decision we didn't make without examining all other possibilities. the heatsink can be reinstalled if you ever felt like you wanted to run this in a cab.

[@GadgetUK164]

Wow, that looks cool! But $350 is a bit expensive imo!

[@krissteward]

$350 is indeed a lot of money, but this is a niche product lovingly crafted by hand. The value is there, as it's half the price of its closest competitor (OmegaMVS +Tianfeng AV board).

[@zdthn]

The price really is in the prep work, painting and assembly and testing for avram. I asked him to offer an unfinished kit with out an mv1c with all the parts and an a case that still needs to be sanded in painted and he has it up for 170!which I think is completely fair

[@ClbnaVGM]

Yes, and no neo bios masta in addition to that.

[@phreeze83]

consolized MVS consoles on ebay cost around 300-350eur (in Europe), to it's ok i think

[@ClbnaVGM]

@@phreeze83 As much as a real AES...tsss ;///

[@mbe102]

I've got mine, but, no games haha. Can't wait to play it when my 161-in-1 gets in, and then later my NeoSD Pro MVS

[@abdelll9737]

Hoe much did everything cost? Including the controller. I need this in my life. But I’m not a tinkerer. I just want plug & play.

[@nimrodlevy]

I'm a newbie in the scene, i wanna get into it, one quick question, maybe stupid one, can aes cartridges be played on an mvs? If possible what i need except physical adapter?

[@RetroRGB]

Unfortunately not. You can get adapters to play MVS games on an AES though.

[@nimrodlevy]

@@RetroRGB thanks!

[@pietrorudas3290]

Rust in Peace guitar is bad ass

[@darknesssymphony6409]

Tengo algunas dudas. Impresora usada ?las piezas son algo grandes Para una ender 3 pro. Y como se ubicaron las partes para ser impresas .tienen cierta dificultad y me gustaria saver la manera más adecuada de ubicarlas para imprimir. Y la otra duda. No se detalla como sacas los 5v y los 12 v si solo se muestra 1 solo adaptador. ?? Me encantaría hacer el proyecto pero tengo esas dudas. Gracias

[@RetroRGB]

12v isn't used at all with this kit, as it's only needed for mono audio - This kit uses its own audio amp on the stereo circuit. Plenty of people are printing their own cases and posting about it on twitter and Avram has been retweeting: twitter.com/avramce

[@itchyisvegeta]

So to simulate pressing a quarter into the machine, do you just press the select button?

[@RetroRGB]

Yup. It's not nearly as satisfying as actually entering a token, or using the CCCB, but it works! twitter.com/RetroRGB/status/1606726654528786435

[@itchyisvegeta]

@@RetroRGB Thanks. Just got the circuit parts the other day in the mail. Great tutorial. Ironically, the only trouble I had was getting the op amp heat sink out (mine was in good). Got it working great. Now I just need to get a case for it..... and a Neo Geo controller 😁

[@JanvanRosmalen-lc2vm]

Is there somewhere a layout for both shells in this video perhaps, so that I can print it by myself ? great video thanks!

[@LVNeptune]

Surprised no one said this but you show the audio with black towards the edge and red towards the edge at different time stamps throughout the video.

[@cbeaumont]

Hey! I recognize that MVS at the beginning! (BKVG)

[@AluzJunior]

Hi, if I want to play on an old CRT TV I just only need a genesis compatible cable? O a SCART cable is mandatory?

[@RetroRGB]

The OpenMVS only outputs RGB, so you'd either need a TV with an RGB SCART input, or component video input (not composite video). There's other ways to play Neo Geo, but the OpenMVS will require those. Cable are here: www.retrorgb.com/genesisrgbcables.html

[@XanYT]

This is really neat and well done, but seems rather expensive still.

[@esmith13]

Is there anywhere you can buy everything this kit has to offer WITHOUT an included MV1C and also WITHOUT the case? The closest I see on the site linked still has the case included (finished or unfinished). I have a MV1C I consolized myself and I would like to gut out all my existing questionable parts and reuse my case and MV1C. Basically I want the SuperGun/Power/Audio/Video/DB15 parts from this kit only...

[@RetroRGB]

That should be available at some point. Hopefully soon.

[@SoulforSale]

I highly recommend the MVS-x. It has the entire Samurai Showdown King of Fighters and Metal Slug Libraries plus quite a few more titles

[@RetroRGB]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGnGiJyshM2MnqM

[@KoSLoW27]

Good but i just need to buy pcb and accessory i only see full kit on pre order :(

[@beeaye7944]

Honestly I just wish there was a MVS flash cart solution that wasn't as--or more--expensive than the system itself!

[@vhjc]

Amazing video, now I want to consolize my MV1C but since Avram is not taking orders anymore, is there a chance you can list all the pieces that the DIY kit includes? I can't find the entire list anywhere and I want to take a shot and try to consolize my board by myself.

[@gameofyou1]

Does anyone know if the OMVS kits are still available? I haven’t had any luck trying to contact the kit maker.

[@tyisafk]

Seeing as this is open source, I really hope someone with the skills can make a version compatible with the MV1A boards. I hadn't been able to find a consolized solution I'm happy with so I just use a retroelectronik supergun with a PC ATX PSU and it's a mess lol

[@EposVox]

This is sick!

[@yarayar1]

Where do consolized MVSs sold on aliexpress fall on the quality scale of the alternatives that were mentioned here (such as from seller Time Harvest)? These don't have HDMI output, so no issue with a poor implementation of that but they do have RGB. I do like that some of them have Saturn or USB controller ports as an option.

[@RetroRGB]

The original models had safety issues with the RGB sync line. They've supposedly been corrected, but I haven't tested personally. Also, I'm not sure where they fall in the quality department...I've seen some look fine, but others pretty terrible.

[@pam8352]

can anyone know if the a/v board can be purchased separatly?

[@overdriver99]

wow nice! now I realize that MV-1C price went up ...

[@slerched]

I would like to see something similar but an option to use USB based joysticks. There are adapters available in the wild so not a big problem but an option to just have it part of the Open MVS would also be cool. I mean, if I didn't already have an original Big Red Neo cab and a SuperGun I already use with USB sticks...

[@HaroldoCurti]

Ajahaha the intro sounded like s wrestling with games video. Amazing video.

[@romainboitier417]

Excellent video as always. Do you know if there is a plan to produce more open mvs? because so far it's not available.

[@calippo80]

What's the advantage of a product like this over an used Neogeo console? Sorry for my lack of knowledge!

[@RetroRGB]

Pretty much just access to the MVS library vs the AES. MVS games are the same and often faaaaar cheaper.

[@calippo80]

@@RetroRGB Thanks M8!

[@GalaxyStranger01]

I've already got an MVS with power supply waiting to get a Supergun. Which direction should I go?

[@zipppiz]

Is it possible to just buy the safe video/audio circuit? That's all I really want...

[@RetroRGB]

You can download the files and make the boards yourself. If you're not putting it in a case, you might just want to look into a cheap supergun. The MiniGun is good and the creator of this mod will be releasing their own inexpensive supergun soon.

[@zipppiz]

@@RetroRGB thanks for your reply, I will look into downloading the files and try to make the video circuit my self. I'm looking to make a really cheap cmvs. I already own a aes and a mister. Just think it would be great to be able to use a cheaper mvs to play on original hardware. Thanks I appreciate all your work! 👍🙂

[@xuano666]

No risk to damage the OSSC with out of range sync signal?

[@RetroRGB]

Good question: 100% safe - As long as you use a proper Genesis 2 cable. I mean, the same goes for actual Genesis consoles, which is why it's fair to say the RGBs output is totally safe. ...and since the audio output is coming from Tian's circuit and not the arcade board edge, that's 100% safe as well.

[@adonian]

how do I run this in the US, I'm not SCART friendly. SCART is the only reason I haven't gotten any of the JAMMA Supergun kits

[@RetroRGB]

I'd just choose any Genesis 2 cable option that fits your setup: www.retrorgb.com/genesisrgbcables.html Using a CRT with component input? Get the HD Retrovision cables. Do you want to play on a flat-panel? Either get the retrovision or SCART cables and a scaler. Don't want to bother with a scaler? Just get a RAD2x. Hopefully that'll get you started!

[@adonian]

@@RetroRGB Retrovision works perfectly THX added to my bookmarks, gotta wait 4$ with tax return

[@UttRConcrete]

I preordered a CMVS Ultra so I’m good

[@LastCallHall]

Any reputable sources for a MV1C? All eBay has are boards from China, and im not convinced they're not knockoffs.

[@adamtaft43]

if I didn't have an AES already I would be all over this, I built a consolized MVS before I got my AES and it was nowhere near as easy as this....

[@roarkemurdock3027]

Looks awesome!

[@ClbnaVGM]

Nice build, but does it have space for adding a neo bios masta ? Mvs without unibios for me is lacking something.

[@RetroRGB]

Oh yeah, plenty of room. I probably should have showed a picture of that, instead of the NBM webpage, but I was working with what I had.

[@ClbnaVGM]

@@RetroRGB Nice ! thanks

[@princedraco5]

Hmm would this work with say an IGS PGM? Excluding the case itself. The actual jamma setup/sound mod?

[@RetroRGB]

I think it'd be okay, but just a basic supergun like the MiniGUN works perfect with the PGM. It might be a neat project to convert this over though!

[@tenshin2002]

I dont get it, why not just get an AES system if you want a consolised Neogeo? Isnt that the whole purpose of the AES?

[@RetroRGB]

AES games are FAR more expensive, so Neo Geo fans often collected the MVS arcade versions. Also, the video output quality with these MV1C boards is excellent, while many AES revisions output poor quality video. Some even have the L&R audio channels reversed. So, while in theory, getting the console version designed for home use SHOULD be the easiest answer, it absolutely isn't.

[@tenshin2002]

@@RetroRGB thanks, I´m considering getting a consolized MVS now even if I have a MiSTer. Dont know if I can justify it to myself yet though lol!

[@AceTrainerX3]

@@RetroRGB I learned recently that my 3-6 AES (that I spent half my soul on) had reversed stereo. It was very easy to spot in Samurai Shodown II; when you're tossed across the screen and land flat on the ground, the sound of you landing would come from the complete opposite speaker side. I Just moved the legs of two resistors to connect to the correct LR channels by the headphone jack, and I've got perfect stereo now!

[@rcboosted]

Is there a place to purchase this video circuit separately here at 4:39? kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3zYeHx9fbl4htU

[@MousePounder]

This looks siiiiick!

[@Residual-Image]

Ever play Windjammers for neogeo! its a really amazing Arcade style volleyball game!

[@kibecru]

Does the DIY kit comes without the mvs board?

[@RetroRGB]

No, you'd need to supply your own MV1C when you buy the kit.

[@bojangles6444]

I have the original wooden analogue cmvs- got it really cheap from a guy looking to get rid of his whole collection fast. I am thinking due to the rarity of that console I should buy one of these and not use the Analogue for the sake of preservation of a rare console?

[@RetroRGB]

Voultar has a video coming up about that. You might want to watch it and make your decision based on his thoughts.

[@bojangles6444]

@@RetroRGB great thanks!!

[@Aman-zy4hh]

I have a mv1b do the parts also work on that board except the case ofc

[@RetroRGB]

No, but they're looking into an MV1B kit.

[@Aman-zy4hh]

@@RetroRGB so tutorials for consolizing the MV1C won't work on a MV1B

[@Luke4409]

Anybody have much experience with the cbox mvs units from the time harvest guy on aliexpress? I've heard good things things and apparently he's corrected the sync issue so it's safe to use with everything now. I'm thinking about getting one of those because $350 is a good price but I haven't been able to find any extensive reviews of them

[@alistairblaire6001]

All those hot glue shots. *voultar intensifies

[@pam8352]

can be used for flattered mv1b?

[@RetroRGB]

Not at the moment, but they may do a kit for that in the future.

[@pam8352]

@@RetroRGB in that case i will use the plexiglass kit on aliexpress. EDIT: the kit on aliexpress doesn't include the plexiglass but only 2 boards.

[@s3np411]

Could you compare these to the chinese kits? I honestly prefer the expanded controller options of the latter.

[@RetroRGB]

There's some potential safety issues with the sync line on the aliexpress kits. The component video out should be totally safe though. I'm not sure if the quality will be as good as this, but I don't think it's "bad".

[@s3np411]

@@RetroRGB ah. Darn. Know where I can pick up a db15 cable that works with brooks retro board?

[@hvacdoc]

Does he plan on releasing the open source files?

[@RetroRGB]

Yup, should be released in a few weeks.

[@axelkusanagi4139]

Okay, cool, now if I could just get ahold of a HAS or Minigun or something!

[@osgeld]

not a fan of having a standard barrel jack for DC input and no internal regulator

[@RetroRGB]

I don't think you understand how this power circuit works...

[@osgeld]

@@RetroRGB so what happens if I get my plugs mixed up and accidently plug my 12v plug from my router into it

[@zdthn]

@@osgeld The efuse I built into the circuit cuts the power and protects the system from overvoltage and reverse polarity? This isn't an eBay hack job. I thought about those things.

[@osgeld]

@@zdthn well thanks for responding since retro RGB couldn't even point me in a direction.

[@goissilva]

so cool!!

[@thetigerman]

Is this better than the omega?

[@RetroRGB]

The Omega's case is beautiful, so it wins there. The video output is the same as with the Omega + replacement board, but better than the Omega's original video output board. BUT, the Omega replacement board doesn't offer composite or component video, so you might still consider the original "better". I honestly like them both and there's no wrong answer as to which to pick. More info: www.retrorgb.com/omega-mvs-review.html

[@thetigerman]

@@RetroRGB thank you for responding with all the info I needed and more.

[@overkill7990]

It'd be better if it outputted component video directly.

[@RetroRGB]

Well, you're welcome to fork the project and add that version. It would raise the cost quite a bit though, so it really made sense to just suggest people use HD Retrovisions if they need component: castlemaniagames.com/products/hd-retrovision-genesis-ypbpr-component-cable?ref=w9_zngec1o_

[@RedSoul001]

The 3d printed case should just be taller so that you don't have to remove the heat sink and cut that amp. It's completely fine to leave it in for the mod so why should the case, which is only made for aesthetics, be the thing that forces you to cut the original hardware?

[@RetroRGB]

Well, as I showed in the video, you can just remove the heatsink and put it back at a future time. Also, if you're consolizing the board, that amp won't even be powered on. Why design a case around something that's not being used? Besides, the nature of this being open source, is you can always change the design, or even just add a hole to accommodate the original heatsink. Was I not clear about all that?

[@RedSoul001]

@@RetroRGB you're the one that always says he loves no cut mods so this is pretty hypocritical. I see no reason to remove it if it does not need to be removed. I get that it can be reinstalled later but really it doesn't need to be removed so just make the top of the case a few mm taller.

[@RetroRGB]

Did you even watch the video? Removing the heatsink is 100% reversible. It's the absolute definition of a no-cut mod: Just use a soldering iron to heat the pins instead of snipping and you could always put it back. Same with bending the amp - just carefully bend it back. You've GOT to be trolling. There's no way you actually watched the video and don't understand that.

[@RedSoul001]

@@RetroRGB of course I watched the video dude... I wasn't complaining about your video. I watched it twice back to back to make sure I got all the info I needed because I wanted to do this with a mvs for a very long time. I only made a comment on the fact that I do not like how this kit is plug and play with the exception of 2 wires like you said and then requires you to remove a amp just because the case is to short. It doesn't make sense to me. Imagine the amount of these amps that will be thrown out. This is a 30 year old arcade system. If removing it is not needed than why is this mod encouraging it?????

[@RedSoul001]

@@RetroRGB and why are you coming at me like some child. I made a comment and then you replied. My comment was just an opinion on how this kit could have been just that little bit better. I'm not some troll just because I have an opinion or is that what you really think of your viewers who care to leave input in your videos?

[@AtomFry]

I’m sincerely curious why anyone would go to so much trouble when there is MAME. I would understand an argument about original hardware being plug and play and not needing to go to the trouble of configuring an emulator but if you are going to the trouble of all these hardware modifications and custom cables and adapters, I am having a hard time understanding what is the draw? I’m open to opinions, why do you guys who think this is awesome like this?

[@RetroRGB]

This product is specifically for people who want to use original MVS arcade hardware and make it look like a home console. If that's not something that interests you, this isn't for you.

[@zdthn]

I guess my thought would be that I don't consider hardware modification "trouble". For me, the hardware is the hobby, sometimes even more so than the games themselves. I think if you just want to play some games, there are always much easier ways. I can wax poetically about the physical connection and tactile experience that hardware gives or the feeling of accomplishment I get from making or improving something. However, if that isn't your thing, nothing I say is really going to change that; nor am I trying to.

[@AtomFry]

@@zdthn I can appreciate that. So somebody might do this because tinkering with hardware is fun. Like in the way that It feels good to build your own PC?

[@AtomFry]

@RetroRGB my question is WHY somebody would want to do this. I can understand that the kit for turning your MVS into a console is for people who want to turn their MVS into a console. I was just wondering why somebody would want to do that. Sounds like it’s a kind of niche tinkering thing? Or maybe is your point that if I don’t understand then I will never understand?

[@zdthn]

@@AtomFry yep. You learn a lot about how the things that you grew up with work and how to fix them. I also think that lots of us like playing on a crt so hardware or something like this can allow you to do that easily when compared to emulators and mame. I mean most of us love sega because of all their faults and crazy hardware decision.

[@sunnohh]

Wish it had s video

[@RetroRGB]

You can get an RGB to S-Video converter that would work with it. Adding a chip to convert the signals would have added a lot of cost to the design though.

[@retrogamepuppy1445]

Awesome video. BUT... Why the hell isn’t their a dust cover over the cartridge socket? Even a flip cover would be good. Who leaves their games always installed

[@RetroRGB]

Well, if it bothers you so much, why not design a 3D printed insert people can use when a cartridge isn't plugged in?

[@boogiemanspud]

@@RetroRGB I think they already have these on thingiverse: www.thingiverse.com/thing:1740027

[@Questchaun]

So why can't you use a non rechargable?

[@boogiemanspud]

Because it go BOOM. You don't want battery acid leaking on your PCB once the battery explodes.

[@Questchaun]

@@boogiemanspud bit far fetched.

[@RetroRGB]

Not far fetched, that's exactly the concern: You can't put a non-rechargeable battery into a circuit that tried to charge it.

[@Questchaun]

@@RetroRGB you could have explained that in the vid. Thanks.

[@GDUBLEY]

Pretty sure you can remove one cap and cut off the recharge allowing you to use non-recharable

[@andyl4630]

I am not sure why people are saying this is expensive. I think Bob is right that people posting here have no clue on CMVS prices. The kit version is only $150 which will work fine for me since I already own an MV1C with BiosMasta installed and already own Retrovision Genesis cables. I just wish I had not ordered the Lions3 acrylic plates recently. Bob, is there any plans for them to sell injection molded cases? 3D printed stuff is fine for internal parts but I would prefer a more finished look.

[@RetroRGB]

Not sure about future plans, but the sky's the limit. Also, it seems most (not all) price complaints were from trolls that just wanted attention, not people trying to have a legit discussion. It's also my fault for not specifically showing the prices of alternatives to prove why this is a good value. And, of course, every time I don't say "this video is about real hardware, but there are emulation alternatives available", I got bombarded with the "jst by a pi" trolls. Oh well.

[@computergeek1507]

The kit is $200

[@andyl4630]

@@RetroRGB I think I will hold out for an injection molded case but i was wondering if the Tian Feng's kit is available separately? I checked your site and there's no link so please add if possible. I can use that along with my Lions3 acrylic case until an injection molded case is released. Thank you for all you do for the community.

[@RetroRGB]

@@andyl4630 If you already have a Lions3 case, you might just want to pick up a cheap supergun. Tian might release the little one I showed at the beginning of the video at some point, which would look great combined with the Lions.

[@andyl4630]

@@RetroRGB I really like Tian Feng's solution which would let me use my Genesis Retrovision cables for video and a power brick for power compared to my current setup which is a Frank's MiniGun Supergun, Arcade PSU and RetroTink 2X Scart solution.

[@shyrix]

$350 is high. how much is the kit alone.

[@Kevinwoolford123]

Yeah I'd definitely like the kit and make my own unit. I don't need another mvs but if its a good price I'd jump on it

[@RedLP5000S]

I wonder if the 3D files can be used with a metal 3D printer. The plastic 3D prints look so sad to me.

[@boogiemanspud]

Might as well go all out and use the cad files to CNC it from a solid billet. Metal 3D printing has some finish limitations too. Unless someone is willing to die cast cases, this is probably the best (though most expensive) method.

[@dkopowa]

you say its open project and we can do ourself but i dont see anywhere the 3d model to print the case :S

[@danilodequeiroz9520]

Cutting that amp ic out just hurts my feelings, even knowing it's not gonna be used..

[@RetroRGB]

LOL, I know the feeling! I usually desolder them, then save them, just in case.

[@AceTrainerX3]

I would've at least dedoldered the poor thing (and the heat sink), but that's coming from someone who's pretty comfortable with basic soldering...

[@keilmillerjr9701]

Looks like a good kit. However, I would have cut an area out for the heatsink no make it non destructive.

[@briannorthFW]

I guess if we get another stimulus, I know what I’ll be getting!

[@jazza5564]

No mention of a JNX as a quality alternative? Bollocks.

[@RetroRGB]

I don't think they make them anymore, which is why I didn't mention it. As far as I know, those were good solutions.

[@Charlie97L]

@@RetroRGB the JNX is really high quality, I got one of the last ones he made in the last batch. He did a full restoration on the PCB, modded to my spec, and the output via OSSC is crystal clear with no artifacts, and it's super solidly built. Way better built than the Omega I had years back (which was fine, but my controller ports weren't solid, and I had to repair those a few times). @Jazza, while he *might* make some more in the future, (he's never said he's done done), the current list probably won't be fulfilled until early 2022, and then if he opens again, it'll be another year+ after that for him to get through those 40-50. While I waited almost 2 years for mine, and for ME, that was worth it, it's not viable for most people. He has a full time job, and orders are closed until they're not. (This is in NO way a criticism of how he runs things, he was super responsive and awesome to deal with, and very open about timelines the entire time I was pending... he's just one guy with a passion for Neo, and no desire to turn it into a full time gig, which I respect).

[@TechWithSean]

I just want a softmod for the mvsx