Day One Errata? (D&D 5e Revised Player's Handbook) | Nerd Immersion

[@michaeldeucalion9283]

I really feel bad for like the ~5 people on the dndbeyond team, i would hate to be them rn.

[@francoisbelanger6886]

Pleasing marketing needs is a nightmare for developers!

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

This right here.

[@caseyhastings9219]

I was thinking about them and grimacing when people were making a big stink about the old spells and magic items. Basically doubled their workload.

[@ffffffffffffffff5840]

​@@caseyhastings9219 And then those people complain about the mess having multiple versions causes

[@MrSeals1000]

​​@@ffffffffffffffff5840 The original problem, and the ongoing problem, is the implementation. It's something that those higher up should have been delagating to them long before any of this. None of it should have been a problem in the first place, and the mess now wouldn't have needed to be so thrown together and messy. Also, this isn't against the team working on DnD Beyond. They were told what to do, none of it's really their fault. They just have to deal with it all, which sucks.

[@alexgarrett4673]

D&D players: "I just got my new book and it's already out of date! Warhammer 40k players: "First time?"

[@KevinVideo]

I don't disagree that D&D Beyond should have been prepared already for this kind of thing, but let's not forget that just a few days ago we were told that they were updating everything to the 2024 rules and you had to homebrew stuff yourself to go back to the 2014 rules. They're just scrambling because of people boycotting the site and removing subscriptions. I remember seeing one person joke on Reddit that come Sept 17th, there's going to be 200 pages of errata. I doubt it's going to be quite that high, but I can see 20 pages.

[@cskelton]

What's really sad is that there's a real possibility that the reason they were going to auto update is because they realized the D&D Beyond team wasn't going to be able to add the required functionality in time. Knowing how this usually plays out, those devs are probably going through hell right now, catching flack from both the community and company leadership.

[@angelagranger760]

​@@cskeltonNo. It's to push the game towards monetizing of class and race features.

[@angelagranger760]

They should just move Ranger to subclass of Fighter as the Druid version of Eldritch Knight. They might actually get decent class features then.

[@TheGameVerse]

​@@angelagranger760 I get you dont like wotc, but that doesnt even make any sense 😅. It was obvious they were just going to give everyone access to the new spells for free to be able to get the site ready in time.

[@deKahedron]

The grapple changes make some degree of sense. It standardises saving throws as things that happen automatically in response to the actions of another creature (or the environment) and ability checks as something that you initiate willingly.

[@grr-OUCH]

One thing I learned when I was taking Technical Writing in college: you are never done editing. There is always something you would want to change. As for the stuff on D&D Beyond, they should have tested it better before it went live. The biggest problem is trying to merge two editions and have them both useable at the same time.

[@blazethecat2622]

Even wilder is that they don’t have a fully functioning single edition between the two of them.

[@yellowrose0910]

Any game they get is windfall. The goal is to have an ever-increasing font of limitless exploitation, er money. And they can't even get that right.

[@RyanWright]

which they were going to not have to do until the "event" happened and everybody lost their minds.

[@johnevans5782]

@@RyanWright This! The programmers were obviously blindsided by this. They were told to completely redesign the character builder to do things it was never designed to do... in about 1 week. "Hey guys can you design a characters sheet to handle two almost, but not really, identical systems in tandem... and integrate them to work seamlessly? We know it's never been done before, but it's all the customers will accept. Good luck."

[@thebitterfig9903]

While true, it seems clear that Hasbro Corporate has really skimped on budget and timeframe for editing and play testing the 2024 update.

[@tassaron]

Hasbro: it's not a new edition, it's backwards compatible with the old rules! Also Hasbro: what, you guys expect the old rules to still exist? Talk about trying to have cake and eat it, too ...

[@sqoo5]

I got downvoted to hell on reddit for bringing up them saying it would be compatible. Then people tried gaslighting me that they never made that claim??? Some people have that cult mindset for daddy WotC/Hasbro.

[@Shalakor]

@@sqoo5 You can embed KZbin videos in reddit comments if I'm not mistaken? So, that's when you literally start responding with timestamped links of every WotC video that stated backwards compatibility you can be bothered to check for. Preferably a different video for each response, since WotC said it in basically every interview they uploaded to KZbin.

[@Inshokuten69]

Completely broken at the moment. At one point in character creation I was checking the feats that were granted by the backgrounds, cycling through them trying to find the right option to choose one that fit my backstory. None did so went to custom background and would just add stats and feat manually, but then I noticed that somehow my char had 5 origin feats assigned. Since they were granted by "my" background I couldn't even remove them manually, despite not actually having that background.

[@ElocNodnarb]

Honestly, it could have all been easily fixed by reskinning the “Master Tier Pre-Order Early Access” instead as a “Master Tier Pre Order Gamma Testing Period”. If they had approached this by saying “Hey, this is a big release and it’s going to be buggy so we’d like your help identifying all the issues before the public release!” I think the whole community would be reacting differently.

[@_Squiggle_]

Very few people would want to buy a testing copy

[@_Squiggle_]

The changes in the new version are just clarifications, I don't think it deserves a whole new release title/version etc I do agree that WOTC could have been more upfront about this (and a lot of other stuff for that matter)

[@Rubycule]

Have you never participated in early access for any video game? Stuff like this is to be expected.

[@ElocNodnarb]

@@Rubycule agreed. I completely expected it but people seem to be losing their minds 🤣

[@ElocNodnarb]

@@_Squiggle_ I think that there are are plenty of people that would still preorder if it were known walking in that DnDBeyond would have content issues, update issues, and bugs with the new material. People appreciate sincerity and transparency, especially if there aren’t a bunch of excuses trying to make light of it. Maybe I’m just naive.

[@aaronbourque5494]

Wow, the 2024 Ranger's capstone being unsupported says soooooo muuuuuuch.

[@AwesomeWookiee]

It doesn't matter, it's never going to come up ever anyway. "Might as well multiclass" was the advice BEFORE we learned it's unsupported.

[@keeganmbg6999]

As a DM, chances are I will homebrew it anyways.

[@DoomsdayR3sistance]

@@AwesomeWookiee late game Ranger still seems very mediocre, I haven't check in official release but I remember in UAs/Playtests calculating that Ranger 5/Rogue 15 was exceptionally powerful, more powerful than either Ranger 20 or Rogue 20. Wondering if there is anything better than that right now.

[@Dice_and_Beans]

@@DoomsdayR3sistancethat was also typically using gloomstalker, and now GS got nerfed as well. So those numbers are now….unattainable

[@Klaital1]

Because the 2014 rangers capstone was so much better, right?

[@minikawildflower]

Honestly the thing where they were saying we'd have to homebrew things makes more sense to me when we think about how many layoffs there have been. It may be that the employees knew full well that was a bad solution, but they were forced to triage their ability to get things up and running. And then with the fan outrage, they ended up having to support both anyway. I do think they'll have a lot of these updates online by the official drop date of the 19th - they're probably in a phase now of doing rolling updates while trying not to take the site entirely offline for a week.

[@SirEliteGrunt]

Conjur minor elementals needs a “once per turn” wording added if it’s scaling is this good. Valor bard dual wielding with this spell is insane

[@kuroshinigami9143]

eh its opportunity cost so i honestly think the spell is fine. it takes a whole action to cast, a full caster making the most of it is going to be in melee and without a feat wont have con save proficiency, and the concentration means you are giving up on other spells which are better (Animate Objects comes to mind for 5th level), so while its a very strong spell it isnt the worst thing to have. plus spellswords deserve more good options, now bladesinger doesnt have to feel like a wizard who can do a backflip.

[@SirEliteGrunt]

@@kuroshinigami9143 I would agree if it didn’t scale way too rapidly. Unoptimized you can upcast it two levels and do 12d8 per round from one spell slot if you only attack twice. 24d8 per round if you optimize dual wielding. And you can still upcast it even higher!

[@WizardVolovik]

Don't forget you can also multiclass your bard with warlock and change one of your attacks by a cantrip. One attack turns into 3 attacks, so with a dual wielder feat, you can do 6 attacks (cantrip gives 3, normal attack with light weapon, Nick attack, dual wielder attack). It's insane.

[@jeevesosiris]

I always appreciate your calm and understanding approach to this kinda stuff as opposed to all the click bait and drama on other pages

[@xiongray]

17:35 I'm glad they finally addressed Telekinetic's Mage Hand fallacy. (Since Nov 2020)

[@bluegolisano7768]

day 1 patching your tabletop games LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO (I hate the fact that we're getting Ubisoft'd on pen&paper games)

[@The_Yukki]

Hey wotc changed from Bethesda(release half finished product and let players "mod" the fixes themselves) of ttrpg to ubisoft?

[@PsyrenXY]

Pathfinder 2e remaster had day 1 errata too. This is just reality now unless you're playing checkers

[@MartinNelson]

@@PsyrenXY but it shouldn't be. And unless this nonsense is called out for what it is, it'll only get worse. There are dozens of indies out there publishing longer books, more complex systems, with amazing graphic art. They aren't making these same mistakes. WotC do not have an excuse. Nor to the management team at D&D Beyond. It needs to be called out to ensure that we can honestly say that we did what we could to try and prevent this nonsense.

[@CGCommando82]

Technically it's not Day 1, it's Early access, the actual day 1 is in about 2 weeks

[@MartinNelson]

​@@CGCommando82 Books have already been printed, they are already out in the wild. This isn't a video game. So no, it's not Early Access. Day 1 was at GenCon when they had copies of the book for sale. It is that simple and anything else is to be far too kind to a company. Companies are not people, and care little for anything other than money. So let's not let them off the hook *too* easily.

[@Zapi00]

Ranger's capstone ability not supported on dndbeyond... c'mon. Rangers are not supported in dnd, period.

[@Itachi45481]

Wasn’t prepared for a day one patch on something I’m getting that’s physical but here we are I guess

[@falcon4196]

Remember there was also a last minute change about how they were handling the updated spells

[@WillVogt]

To be fair, on Beyond, the Champion Fighter never autocalculated the Improved Critical.

[@chadculotta8278]

So... it should have been fixed YEARS ago.

[@Brim_the_Wizard]

@@chadculotta8278there’s no way of adding an item or anything that counted expanded crits either. You always had to right click and manually roll crit damage each time. There’s plenty of martial stuff that dnd beyond is too primitive to implement including rage mechanics, power attacks, etc. I had to create a specific item to toggle rage on and off.

[@northernsun6003]

Many of the vanilla subclasses in PHB 2014 never worked. Life cleric never calculated the heal bonuses. Side note, I reported a couple bugs and was told they were actually feature requests, and that the devs were too busy to address feature requests. And I need to pay ~$500 for the books plus $50/year for semi-functional software. And I have no way to export those books in a format I actually want, like PDF. Meanwhile Star Wars 5e was a fully featured free software character builder. 4e DnD had a monthly subscription character builder without having to pay $500 up front. This shouldn’t be this hard.

[@probablythedm1669]

​@@northernsun6003last I made a character with Life Cleric levels, well over a year ago, the heal bonus applied. It does seem like Project Sigil has been a drain on the D&D Beyond team. A lot of stuff has been unsupported for years...

[@ryancasey9763]

It feels crazy to hear the work "errata" outside of a Yugioh context

[@donwebster9292]

I had one job we were way understaffed....it just leads to more understaffing as people get frustrated and quit.

[@michaelmuirhead910]

It’s a lot like a new car/truck purchase. Getting the first version always has more problems than anticipated. Don’t worry though, they only have 2 more books and almost 800 pages of stuff to port into dndbeyond. I’m sure it’ll be smooth sailing.

[@sortehuse]

Conjure Minor Elementals hasn't been changed - at least not yet

[@lethality666]

Which is insane and absolutely needs to be nerfed.

[@sortehuse]

@@lethality666 It's only I problem in optimised play, because you need 5+ level spell slots and multiple attacks to abuse it. You have to use a very specific build that aim for that to make that happen. Most groups just play casually and will be fine. The most optimised groups will also be fine because the DM will know it as well and do something about it, but YES they need do fix it at some point.

[@LucasRibeiro-po4pb]

​@@sortehuse It's very easy to do at high levels and it breaks the games's math. It's only 2 spells

[@TheJamieellis]

@@sortehuse It's literally 2 spells dude. CME and Scorching Ray. Busted as shit.

[@Lord_zeel]

For Reactions, I would really like for them to add a specific exception to the spell slot rule. Counterspell is a great example, but another really good one is Shield: If you provoke an attack of opportunity, then cast Shield to protect yourself, have you now burned your one spell slot per turn? Similar for Hellish Rebuke, Silvery Barbs, Feather Fall, etc. I think they need to clarify whether a spell cast as a Reaction counts as being "on the turn" in which it was cast in the first place, or if Reactions are intended to exist outside the concept of a "turn." And obviously I would prefer that they make it NOT count as being on the turn, but if the RAI was that it is on the turn, I would like them to say so explicitly. I checked on dndbeyond, and was surprised to see that there are only SEVEN spells (not counting the Legacy tag) when you filter to Reactions: Absorb Elements (taking elemental damage), Counterspell (someone casts a spell), Feather Fall (when falling), Gift of Gab (when you talk), Hellish Rebuke (taking damage), Silvery Barbs (a create succeeds a roll), Soul Cage (a creature dies). All of these have very valid reasons to cast in the course of your own turn including when you provoke an attack of opportunity, jump off a cliff, encounter an environmental hazard, kill a creature, or talk. Very strangely the new Shield doesn't get listed on Beyond when you filter by reaction. It exists, and is a Reaction still, but the filters don't work for some reason. So that should be eight reaction spells at least, but there could be something else missing I guess.

[@duelist301]

As written yes. If you cast shield on your turn (due to triggering an opportunity attack) that would be your leveled spell for the turn. This is clarified pretty well in the distinction between turn vs. round.

[@sqoo5]

I'm glad that the volunteers who work on the pathfinder 2e ruleset for foundry seem to know what they're doing and have more foresight than a larger paid company.

[@aralornwolf3140]

They also get support directly from Paizo, including the products a couple months early.

[@jamesknowles9236]

So, the fix for these problems seems simple: Wait to buy the books until the 2nd printing of the PHB where the errata should be included, and ignore dnd beyond and use pen, paper, and your brain to make characters.

[@JakeDMaier]

Sucks for me pre-ordering 2 copies... damn

[@caseyhastings9219]

Never pre-order anything.

[@JakeDMaier]

@@caseyhastings9219 yeah, learned my lesson lol

[@greglohman6750]

Wait if you true poly yourself into a dragon, do you wake up the next day as a dragon with only a wizards base hp?

[@JakeDMaier]

@@greglohman6750 yes it seems

[@bobnewkirk7003]

Came to the video to see a Day 1 change to Conjure Minor Elemental; its amazing that its still in print as is.

[@NerdImmersion]

@@bobnewkirk7003 right?

[@LogistiQbunnik]

The free rules (2024 version) is available for ANY DDB account - I tested this yesterday with my account (also the character creator works for me with the 2024 free stuff too)

[@ChiyuriYami]

kinda funny cause Roll20 does have the ability to change the Critical range on their sheet

[@agilemind6241]

If you've ever played with the DnDBeyond HB system you'd know the underlying infrastructure & design is painfully flawed. It was designed to look nice to the user not to have a modular, sustainable, mechanical backend.

[@stargateproductions]

I'm happy I choose Roll20 all those years ago as my VTT of choice.

[@timjensen4320]

So apparently Conjure Minor Elementals is not a typo...

[@NerdImmersion]

apparently!

[@neileddy6159]

I am of the unpopular opinion that although still really strong, if a wizard or druid straight classed plays with the spell, it is not completely broken and may not necessarily be the right choice. It will also feel really good on a druid while wildshaped. Though wild shapes and bladesingers are the only wizards and druids with more than 1 attack, and they usually only get 2. Other wizards and druids don't want to be in range for the spell and only get one attack. Where it falls apart is magical secrets or multiclassing. Which I think falls under the session zero don't play coffeelocks and infinite clones and peasant rail guns and other things that break the game type builds or they will be limited or nerfed to be more in line with comparible leveled spells and features. I think taking it away from especially druids, would suck and EotC will likely nerf it into the ground. 7 levels is not a likely "dip" unless you are building to get this spell. Though it is broken on a swords bard duel wielding, and I think that is a you can take any spell but that one or will only be allowed to proc the damage twice per turn.

[@benry007]

​@@neileddy6159its definitely a broken spell. Yes it wouldn't be broken if it was limited to once per turn but it isn't.

[@shoganmajere7913]

@@neileddy6159 that thinking would maybe work, if not Valor Bards ..... or bladesingers or any Multiclass ( the extra attack isn't even the problem ) or metamagic adept .... i could go on and on

[@bradleyhurley6755]

@@neileddy6159 Yeah, I would agree with you. The spell isn't broken if a straight class uses it. Its issue is 100% multiclassing. Which I think is a problem, because I don't think WotC playtests multiclassing. But multiclassing really breaks the game.

[@bsabruzzo]

Sorry for two posts in a row but I have another question just to throw out into the ether. You would have thought that the writers of the book would have stuck with the d20 test rule so they could have said something along the lines of "advantage on any d20 test to end this condition" and that would have qualified for whatever d20 test is used.

[@TheLyricalCleric]

We’re watching in real time as WotC sunsets physical book production. They’re doing it slowly, but because they’re already updating digital versions, the physical versions that aren’t even widely available are already out of date. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they slow the release dates of the Monster Manual and DMG, or just rethink releasing them physically entirely. Imagine all the DMs who’ll have to subscribe to DnD Beyond if there AREN’T any physical books! It’s awful.

[@SortKaffe]

That on-going errata is a great resource, but D&D Beyond ought to make the overview of changes available in a changelog instead of relying on the community to catch the differences.

[@myrddinemrys8151]

Small note; you can't counterspell a spell from a wand anyway since spells cast from magic items use no spell components (and you can only counterspell a spell that's cast with visible components). Unless they changed that - I suppose we'll know for sure once the new DMG releases

[@timothyyoung4621]

Isn't the wand a material component?

[@myrddinemrys8151]

@@timothyyoung4621 No. From the 2014 DMG's rules on casting spells from magic items: "Some magic items allow the user to cast a spell from the item, often by expending charges from it. The spell is cast at the lowest possible spell and caster level, doesn't expend any of the user's spell slots, and requires no components unless the item's description says otherwise." (page 141)

[@FatherRabbitt]

I wonder if the DnD Beyond team is working on building their VTT as well, and what we’re seeing is the result of layoffs and the now small team being split between different projects? Whatever it is, I wouldn’t want to be them right now

[@alexanderdasilva221]

It isn't surprising that there are issues with spells since that was just changed to give both options a few days ago, they were going to default to the 2024 version of spells and had to change that a week ago, so things not working perfectly makes a lot of sense

[@Lord_zeel]

What I would love for them to do, is sell a pack of stickers you can paste into your book overtop of the content that changed. I think for most errata, this would be feasible (even if maybe they would need to make the text a tiny bit smaller or otherwise tweak formatting to make it fit in the same space).

[@kredik5796]

Or give them for free at least for the first errata.

[@etonblakerussell]

There should be an option in your profile or account to select which edition you wish to partake in. If you select 5th all your customization uses the 5e rules and if you select 2024 then all your customization uses the 2024 rules, with the unchanged parts greyed as a warning that it might be not as intended but still supported. Ala the older subclasses.

[@richardhealy]

The functionality of The Champion Fighter - the most basic class in the entire game - not having an expanded Crit Range is WILD! I think IIRC you can edit Crit Range on the Roll 20's 5E character sheet, as it's just a variable you can edit - for DDB to suggest its simply too complex feels like gas lighting. It might be issue 999 out of 1 billion right now (like, seriously, did they test this at all?), but to suggests it's not technically possible is bonkers.

[@DevinHandleyy]

So fun fact. Casters can’t take the 2024 war caster. I have tried on a level 10 cleric and a level 10 wizard. Just doesn’t have the option to take it :(

[@ne0w01f3]

just checked this and yeah my druid can not take warcaster

[@DevinHandleyy]

@@ne0w01f3 yeah it sucks. You can take the 2014 warcaster but that warcaster is considerably worse now that 2024 version is a stat increase too.

[@ne0w01f3]

@@DevinHandleyy I noticed that Cure wound isnt scaling properly on my character sheet, its only healing 3d8+mod at 2nd level when it should be 4d8 +mod

[@CJF1168]

All this, & they're ignoring the mess they made of the Ranger!

[@LoudYapper]

Wait so if True Polymorph is permanent if you con for the full duration but you still have Temporary Hit Points from the new form how would it work if you ever lose the Temporary Hit Points? Do you die? Do the TH turn into the real HP if you permanently become another creature?

[@neileddy6159]

So upgrading existing campaign characters issues and weird behavior I ran into: First, I had to clear cache to get the 2024 stuff beyond the free rules stuff to appear at all. Chromatic Orb (old or new) was not visible as a spell for my wizard to pick up. Create and Destroy water was not visible for the moon druid. Paladin spell list did not appear in his spell list. Also, he has one fewer spell he can prepare. Phantom rogue did not show up as a subclass option. Devouring blade did not show up in my invocation list for a warlock. That is the list so far that I have run into, I assume they are working round the clock to hammer out those bugs, but I would think some of that should have been caught by QA.

[@richardhealy]

What Quality Assurance? Users ran into all these problems the moment they started trying to build characters. It gives the startling impression that it wasn't tested at all.

[@ssteele1812]

My sheet won't let me take the ASI feat more than once. Anyone else see this? I converted a lvl10 2014 character to 2024 I need to do the ASI feat for my three Feat choices to maintain the ability scores that I had on the old sheet. I'll check the pages linked in the description. EDIT. The links are for the book to digital errata/ differences. Has anyone found a good thread for looking up/reporting issues with the character creator?

[@ggw1776]

how long until we collectively say "fuck it" to wotc?

[@DavidAndrews-eb7gm]

About 18 months ago

[@Cxdfc]

24:00 I like that can’t counterspell counterspell because it’s still occurring on my turn. That’s one less wonky thing

[@DoomsdayR3sistance]

It's only if you use a spell slot tho, so if you used misty step as part of Warlocks Archfey archetype, it doesn't expend a spell slot thus doesn't prevent you casting counterspell. I am also curious about the interaction with spell scrolls, if you have a spell scroll of counterspell, can you expend that instead as a reaction on your turn... there is still plenty of potential jankiness in this area.

[@FoundationalDD-eb8qm]

The telekinetic mage hand issue was also an issue in Tasha’s

[@mcintyre2009]

Thanks for sharing this information. This was very helpful. I'll just wait for all the physical books to be a second printing. I'm sure all three core books will have errata to be corrected.

[@snakeinabox7220]

"Starts walking away from dnd after a decade of 5e" Hi pathfinder 2e , lets have fun.

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

With the reduced staff & rushed release timeline, this was inevitable. Also, this is not the first or last gaming product that will need errata. To be clear, it’s aggravating & it’s inconvenient, but it’s sadly not a surprise. Like another commenter said, hopefully they’ll have all these buttoned up by the time the second printing ships & the online resources are already fixed.

[@shamuswilliams]

This number of errors making it through to the final product really feels like the result of WotC firing such a significant number of employees last year.

[@jasonsumma1530]

I wonder what number of printing they will be on the PHB for the box set which comes out next year. Are things still up for pre-order or did I miss the window?

[@VengerSatanis]

Just FYI, Advanced Crimson Dragon Slayer is rules-light D&D... before it started transitioning.

[@keller11MC]

Whattttt? Hasbro rushes a release and pushes unfinished content? They're really treating it like a video game eh

[@liberalideas8224]

As we know, they made some major last minute changes to the roll out of the 2024 content on d&d beyond and there is a cost to that. Even moderate last minute changes can throw the chances of a smooth deployment of any service straight out the window, regardless of the platform. Welcome to IT and software development. I am not arguing things could not have been handled/planned more effectively, just that issues are to be expected.

[@krysbingham2501]

Had a wonky issue with subclasses myself where I can only use the new subclasses and Expanded Rules subclasses. Hopefully they roll out the extra content because I'd love to have the mastery stuff for my Phantom Rogue or Scofflaw fighter but I may have to jury-rig it

[@danjbundrick]

It's exciting to see that all the 2024 problems are being stacked on top of all the problems they've known about since 2018

[@dub3773]

I laughed so hard when the first character I went to make was a Ranger and it still showed Hunter's Mark as a pickable spell.

[@lordcoyote2000]

This may be obvious for some of you, but in the 2024 bard, how do you activate the new magical secrets and the expanded spells you can choose?

[@bsabruzzo]

So I know in the past they have made reprints of the 2014 players handbook with updates and changes to fix errors and such. When do you think we should expect the 2024 players handbook to be reprinted with all the fixes and changes that they're finding now?

[@DavidVincent-f5l]

Wizards of the Coast needs to go to business boot camp special executive training courses. The ball drops that happen in today's world would not happen a hundred years ago. This is more than a one percent slip up. They should get on a schedule of three or five year updates for their book products, TTRPG stuff. They should of had a group of twenty to thirty people just to proof read everything. They are to used to releasing smaller projects every other month.

[@lukorama10]

You also wouldn't be able to cast counterspell in your example even with the 2014 rules. You've used a BA spell (misty step), so you could only cast a cantrip with the casting time of one action... No reaction spells

[@hoodinifail2536]

Did wizards change the release date cause i saw it was supposed to be September 17th. I went to the Tacoma mall today and a store had the 2024 PHB with multiple cover options there were about a dozen copies. Thought that was kind of odd. The store name is Wishes

[@NerdImmersion]

@@hoodinifail2536 local game stores can get early access as early as September 3rd

[@neoman4426]

Finally fixed Telekinetic, nice. The RAI was obvious and no sane DM would actually have run it RAW, but the Mage Hand thing has been a problem since way back when a version of the Feat was introduced in one of the Psionic Options UAs and it's always bothered me.

[@TheElricBrothers]

thing with the grappler isn't really a problem, it's still half movement just worded differently

[@QCreyton]

I dont know why they ever thought they could try and nuke away all the old stuff instead of just adding in the mew stuff from the start and giving it the 2024+ tag so people knew what they were using.

[@emophobe]

I knew it was the smart move to not buy physical until the printing kinks got sorted

[@endtimer1]

As someone who's been playing mmos for over 20 years, I had a feeling this was going to happen. Honestly compared to say the last FF14 expansion launch, this is surprisingly smooth.

[@geoffreyperrin4347]

I was assuming there would be some errata eventually for things like conjure minor elementals and figured I would get the 2nd printing of the book anyways

[@blazinlatino89]

This is why they should have gone with their original plan and just took out all the 2014 stuff from the character sheets and creator

[@tkelley004]

They did not think they would have to support 2014 and 2024 at the same time, the late back track caused all of this, it will take some time, maybe a long time before it works again, if you mix old and new.

[@evanwilkins8639]

I noticed small things on dnd beyond like the ranger single level not giving the spell slot progression with multiclassing etc.

[@Hyodorio]

I prefer this kind of updates being faster and I'm expecting erratas. I hope this edition is better updating content so some stuff isn't broken 10 years

[@arcturuslight_]

Ah yes, they pull pants over themst head instead of changing the 30ft in the mage hand spell description to say spell's range instead.

[@Maddog316]

I’m glad I only bought the Digital Version now, at least that will be updated before the book reissues

[@Mark-ki7ic]

2014 PHB had pages of erratas too. And bad binder glue

[@NerdImmersion]

@@Mark-ki7ic that glue was rough

[@codebracker]

Makes it easy to replace pages with the updated ones

[@notsochosenone5669]

5e was rushed release, and OneDnd supposed to fix consequances of that rushed release. Some things stay the same with 5e, and it's kind of funny

[@cinnamonbun108]

I eventually just put my PHB and MM into binders

[@NerdImmersion]

@cinnamonbun108 yeah I spiralbound mine

[@Brimshae]

This is just making me glad my gaming group switched to Traveller.

[@TechnicalTactician]

I personally don't think conjure minor elementals needs to be changed, I mean it is element damage type, works great on Eldritch Knight, and is decent on druids. I Think some people are overreacting. As a wizard player, "oh great I get to spend more of my only resource on a beneficial option that can be instantly lost while I will do much better with a control option." If people want to destroy your game they will figure out how, I don't want to destroy games, I want to explore my dms world, and will criticize infallacies in their world building, not to be rude, but because some things ruin suspension of disbelief. There is no reason to give the players an accurate map, also place more difficult terrain, combat is messy, mud slows you down. Get creative. Yes I can be a hassle, but I want to remind all players of their class features that they are forgetting, though maybe I should map possible reactions, actions, and bonus actions, so it is easier to play the game.

[@JoeStoryteller]

errata are just as. part of D&D since 1e. Benefits of having the PHB as digital is you get the corrected format fairly quickly.

[@PiroMunkie]

I can sort of sympathize with the fact so many features are just flat out unsupported on the D&D Beyond character sheets. Even before WotC bought it, I never felt like D&D Beyond was made to be a robust VTT. Hell, you need/needed browser add-ons to integrate with other VTTs. The original team did what they could but D&D Beyond always felt first and foremost like a news site and character maker for the game. I think Project Sigil is way too ambitious when the site still has so many quality of life and base functionality features it could fix/add before even worrying about trying to represent them all in a 3D space. And they're never going to be able to compete with other VTTs who have the benefit of only being a VTT whose resources are all aimed at being a good VTT.

[@toddpickens]

I've been in video game development since 1997, and in TT RPG development before that. Video game development is complicated and difficult for professional developers. D&D beyond is basically a video game. This sort of thing will continue.

[@Twistedsage42]

I'm either converting to Pathfinder 2e or Level Up 5e depending on how their character generator looks. This is a mess.

[@Pike-ip2xo]

As I have already seen in the comment section, several other people are thinking it seems the exact same way that I am… The only people we have to blame for this or ourselves. I am willing to bet that if we had not raised such a overwhelming stink about them, dropping the 2014 rules and just going with the 2024 rules as they were going to originally there would have been many many less issues, however, as per normal and deservingly so I will add we should not have let that go without some sort of uproar, the nerd/geek community in general grab their pitchforks, their fire brands and immediately went to wanting to burn down the entire wizards of the Coast headquarters as much as I love role-playing in general, I would never ever ever wanna work for a role-playing company, especially a bigger one or a comic book company or someone nerd movie someone and so forth, like I said, I love my role-playing I would never stop doing it, but the nerd community as far as all of its little genres so comics movies books, video games TTRPG’s so on and so forth are some of the most volatile and easily upset people I have ever seen in my life, but I’m sure all of that iron comes from a place of love at the very least when we get upset, we’re upset because something we love and care about are being changed or taken away from usand a lot of times it’s something that we have felt passionate about for years/decades or multiple decades in some of our cases that are older…… I guess I’m getting it. This stuff does not even bother me in the least I think the fact that they got this done using the 2014 and 2024 rules for the most part in tact in as little time as they have, I give the D&D Beyond team super huge props and those people deserve a big. Raise/bonus this year for sure, and they have my personal thanks for doing everything that they have done with us. Few of them as there are left I guarantee you they’re overworked and underpaid as hell, so here’s two instead of griping about small things, let’s cheer those people that have put up with our And made it for the most part, it’s not the people that work for wizards that suck. It’s the corporate jackasses that are the ones we don’t need to like. Enjoy your role-playing and have a wonderful day.

[@blurootz]

This has always been an issue with Dndbeyond. The huge difference between now and before Hasbro took over Dndbeyond was that Adam Bradford had weekly video updates to inform everyone.

[@StarRightStarTight]

I’m all for making the PHB a living document, but I do wish a physical purchase included digital access

[@vvsandgaming4648]

You can put all the ability bonuses at character creation in a single score. This will be changed I assume

[@Esteinb89]

Man this feels bad, I preordered the physical books because I wanna own my purchase, but with all of these errors I feel like I should just used a wiki

[@EbonxGaming]

They had to pivot, I expect bugs and they will fix it eventually. That’s how software works. For the errata however seems like they needed to let it cook longer…to find these but I’m sure Hasbro forced them to release asap.

[@arthurpilau6927]

Just to be clear: if I preorder the book today, it wont be up to date when it arrives?

[@junderlandgames1186]

Honestly I would just wait till the new starter set comes out. Everything else should be fixed by then

[@sjcaustenite]

In re spells and stuff, I wonder if they had it (or believed they did) and then suddenly had to change everything last minute

[@ne0w01f3]

The Goliaths Powerful build feature is currently give me advantage on all Skill checks...why i have no clue

[@DevinHandleyy]

@@ne0w01f3 it says on literally any of them if you click on it. It gives advantage against being grappled. Hope that helps! It doesn’t know what skill you’re using to get out of the grapple so it literally gives advantage on anything to get out of a grapple which is kinda cool but mostly stupid.

[@predwin1998]

On your Counterspell example, you wouldn't have been able to cast Counterspell in 2014 either with that example because of the Bonus Action rules, since casting any Bonus Action spell, spell slot or not, already prevented you from casting Reaction spells on the same turn. I also don't mind not being able to Counterspell another Counterspell to your own spell, because that interaction always felt a bit ridiculous to me. Not that ridiculousness is inherently a bad thing, but I think the game will be healthier without Wizard battles devolving into MTG blue deck gameplay. And even then you can still do it so long as no more than 1 of your spells uses a spell slot.

[@XanderHarris1023]

Not advantage on acrobatic or athletic checks to end the grappled condition. Advantage on ANY abilitiy check to end the condition.

[@mitchellwelch9135]

Wait, the platform already doesnt match the new book? Like, they had to change the book after it just came out?????

[@briang3598]

"So, we're set up to have a massive jump in revenue and gain a lot of goodwill from our customer base if we do well with this new version." Executives: "Oh? Interesting... We're firing most of you roughly a year before then."

[@WhatMyr]

I made a bard to test things out and couldn't add spray of cards which according to their explanations it should be as its from another source

[@GIxJ0SE]

So does the errata only pretain to D&D Beyond or is it going to effect the actual book itself, if its only D&D Beyond its not my problem

[@serrasedai]

How is the hit point issue fixed for True Polymorph? It's still temp hit points which disappeared on a long rest. If I'm a wizard with 60 hit points, the first time I sleep I'll be stuck as a dragon with only 60 hit points?

[@NerdImmersion]

If you concentrate on it for the hour it last until dispelled. Previously it said the spell ended if you lost the Temp HP. Now it does not state that, so if the full Concentration is held, it remains even if the Temp HP is lost

[@Abiaxas]

I like how people gave them $50+ for the book and you still have to FIX their game you spent your money on. I’m a forever, DM for context my group moved onto the Pathfinder 2e it has been great so far

[@ClayBellBrews]

Good info :)

[@slimee8841]

Rushed printing! Yay!

[@neileddy6159]

Think they rushed out the printed copy, and I think the pushback on the dndbeyond team to give us access to everything had a bunch of software rewrites that must have made everyone's job a nightmare.