Valve’s Master Plan FINALLY comes together

[@NerdNest]

Check out the podcast - kzbin.info/aero/PLly4JWEWaZCpkvpv3BLgOpqJ-Xki455HU

[@krzysztofb9279]

the industry will 100% force valve to lock down the steam machine.

[@5226-p1e]

@@krzysztofb9279 lock down? meaning what exactly?

[@NerdNest]

Yeah, I forgot when I was editing. Meant to get back to that, and just whiffed

[@PietroPizzi]

@@krzysztofb9279 100% not. Why do you think so? No PC or the SD is locked down and the SteamMachine will be "just" a PC with SteamOS pre installed and configured.

[@cheater00]

Things that can have a hdmi port: - vr video passthrough like psvr1 - usbc dock - both of those in one device - streaming box

[@Helghast73]

A steam style console could pull in quite a few disgruntled console players, good priced hardware and a huge catalogue of games ready to go on day one is a win win.

[@scienz0220]

agreed but i am speaking more as a PC gamer (because my brain prefers a mouse to a controller). I always visualized a tiered game "rating" system where X game is designed around Y computer specs. I don't want to build a new computer for the umpteenth time on a disposable digital treadmill; I want a game to be built around the perfectly good computers we already have. Nearly every time the graphics get "better" the gameplay mechanics suffer inversely

[@SixtenLR]

I would be one of them.

[@Helghast73]

​@@scienz0220 Well what valve are potential planning would be a great fit for someone like yourself. You'd still retain your back catalogue of games and peripheral of choice, as for will it help the mechanics or gameplay 🤷🏻‍♂️ that's a developer problem.

[@Helghast73]

​@@SixtenLRI very much doubt you're alone, console players get a bit of a rough experience for the ease of plug and play that's promised.

[@desireless4092]

I wouldn't call it a "console". It will be neatly packed PC running Linux. I don't think it will fit most console users's idea of a console. You will have so much freedom to do and customize it however you see fit. Steam Deck is also not a classic "handheld console". Of course it will require some Linux know -how, but it's fun trust me. Learning new stuff, at least for me is always fun.

[@ThatSlowTypingGuy]

"I'm gonna put it on the screen now." *Does not put the data on the screen.

[@NerdNest]

Damn it. Sorry!

[@ScoutOW2]

@@NerdNest XD

[@B_Machine]

Around 220w for the series x and PS5 @ full load while gaming

[@andrewspencer7453]

@@ScoutOW2 i was compelled i had to google it at that point haha great video. subscribed!

[@sergio-unradelic]

Too much, too fast videos produced! Why 20 minutes of video? The guy is good with words, but doesn't actually say much. We could summarize the interesting bits of the entire video in just three sentences!

[@hamothemagnif8529]

A Steam Box like a console would help me convince my friends on consoles to get into Steam, thus be able to play the games i play. I’m for it.

[@proggz39]

Why would your friends on console ditch their console of choice for another console. They likely already have a large library of games, friends, and trophies/achievements on their eco system of choice

[@R1ckmister]

I'd only jump once this generation was done. Honestly if steam do get a £600 rtx4070 super equivalent system out the door, i won't be getting a ps6. Will also make my ps5 pro purchase an absolute joke.

[@hamothemagnif8529]

@ I’m not sure what part of my post said i’d tell them to ditch the console. Why would they? Given your assumptions though, i’d agree. Someone that deep in the environment would probably stay solely on console. If it was me, yeah. Friends lists, achievements, and the PS exclusives mean 0 to me. The ps+ monthly paywall on the other hand, big no.

[@alexjackyperson101]

steam box will destroyed Sony in a second if done right

[@dcd3lt4]

@@hamothemagnif8529 If it happens you can always make a Steam Family for you buddies to let them play your games. It'll probably help them knowing they immediately have games to play, even if its not multiplayer.

[@roachdoggjr3458]

I like how the term "set top box" has suvived long after TV's stopped having tops to set things on lol

[@zeohblitz]

The steam machine failed since it wasn't easy to setup. Was just a windows 8 machine. Modular too. And steam os wasn't there for easy big screen use

[@roachdoggjr3458]

@zeohblitz wasn't windows 8 it was steam os 1 but since proton didn't exist and Linux gaming was underdeveloped that was why it failed. But I wasn't commenting about that so I'm not sure if I'm who you meant to reply too

[@JoBo52]

Could easily be a steam deck dock that effectively acts as an eGPU

[@hyochulpak]

This is what I’m hoping it to be.

[@coleshores]

The Steam Deck does not have external GPU support as there isn't USB4 or Thunderbolt on it

[@Maenye27]

I think this prepares it for Steam Deck 2

[@liberatumplox625]

Does Steam Deck have occulink or whatever?

[@demontongue9893]

Steam WILL win if they aim for 1080p 60fps as a MINIMUM with 99% of games. No 30fps BS in there.

[@mik0186]

I'd say 1440p 60fps would be a tremendous acheivement. Even if they could get 4K 60 in there medium settings. That would be insane. Or better yet. PCIe slot for your own GPU if you want 4K 60. Honestly i'd 100% slap a AMD GPU in it.

[@TonyFapioni]

1080p? Nah, needs to hit 2k 60fps+

[@dcd3lt4]

@@TonyFapioni They're aiming to sell powerful pc-like console for an affordable price to entice new potential buyers and take more market share, not a top of the line 2000$ pc. The same way they launched the SteamDeck.

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

​@@TonyFapioniwhat? then yall would complain it's too expensive for the common man, yall did this same sh*t with the vision pro 😂

[@naterod]

​@@TonyFapioni99% of steam hardware surveys say most PC gamers still game at 1080p like 1% game at 4k and the rest at 1440p.

[@WalterRiggs]

@10:54 You hit it on the head there. Publicly traded companies have only one thing they care about, and they are legally obligated to care ONLY about shareholder value. IF they have any other focus, they risk a shareholder lawsuit. Never trust a public company.

[@sub-jec-tiv]

This is why the human race is looking at an extinction event within the next 100 years, not even kidding

[@Rambeard]

if it really is the Steam Machine returning... dear god I am so ready. Especially a VALVE made one. I love the Steam Deck so much, but having a dedicated box for my TV/Monitor is a must have. That way my Steam Deck can just be portable (I use this as my main source of computer productivity currently and hopefully that SM would also have a desktop like SD)

[@RusticRonnie]

you know you can just build a PC that can sit in your living room on your TV, with bazzite (how ever you spell it) and basically have one that is perfect for your needs. and if you care about size more than performance just do an APU

[@HydrogLox]

@@RusticRonnie You're missing the point. A Valve produced Steam Machine would finally give developers publishing on Steam a legitimate hardware target to prioritize for optimization, especially once it rises to the top of the Steam hardware survey and if they want Steam Machine certification. It would be interesting to see what Valve could whip up for the price point of a PS5 Pro. Given the circumstances it would likely be better than what an independent system integrator could do with off the shelf PC parts. Meanwhile it's a console that you can do “PC things” with. Also AMD taking a break from high end GPUs made me wonder whether they are refocusing on getting an APU solution up to the level of mid-range discrete GPUs; a partnership with Valve could represent a valuable (quantity) opportunity there. You are still free to cobble together your own configuration from new and/or used parts but then it's your responsibility that your configuration meets the requirements that Steam Machine certification assumes if you want to enjoy that level of capability and support.

[@Talon18136]

Same this would be awesome

[@StephenSmith304]

​@@RusticRonnie Not everyone wants to build their own box. A steam box would be great to get someone into playing PC games with the ease that someone can get into console gaming.

[@Rambeard]

​@@RusticRonnie I know I could do that and I have the past experience of doing so. I just really like the idea of buying a box officially made by Valve. Especially if they can deliver it at a price point that is hard to beat.

[@CoolGreenApple]

thanks for keeping the name of the games on the screen while the clips play!

[@TheExFatal]

Thanks A LOT for big visible names for the games you're showing

[@Pewsplosions]

Maybe it is a hybrid. Like a Deck + Dock combo. So it is a new Deck for handheld/mobile. But you can dock it in this new device with a full size hdmi port (and others) that contains a more powerful GPU, like an eGPU, that allows the Deck to play most games at 4k.

[@B_Machine]

If they are releasing a set top box, they should drop deadlock officially alongside it. They need to bring really good multiplayer games to the table with it. Also, tinfoil hat theory: Sony will break their games for linux if Steam launches a competitor to the PS5.

[@or1on89]

Sony right now would risk a lot if they’d do that. They are walking on broken glass with the whole PSN shitshow…

[@dcd3lt4]

Deadlock is a Valve game so they could definitely do that. But I hope that it doesn't happen. Cause if either one needs to be delayed, both will be.

[@Orain88]

Freemont? Free mount? Free to mount it on top of your TV set? A set top box? Oh yeah . . . It's all coming together now.

[@_GntlStone_]

I appreciate you making the adjust to the Indy titles and leaving the name visible while that footage is playing. Thanks!

[@HH-xf9il]

With current GPU prices, they're set for success

[@ezrolly898]

This is why I went handheld.

[@foodflare9870]

I appreciate that you kept the names of the games up longer in this one.

[@The8bitbeard]

"A console is a console because it's locked down." Yes! This is what I keep saying! We live in a world where consoles have gotten more PC like and PCs have gotten more console like. The only remaining dividing line is whether it's locked down. That walled garden. You can use a PC how you want. Run what you want, how you want. Not so with a console. It's not about the form factor of the device or the controls.

[@deusexmachinareznov4975]

It is not PCs that have gotten more console like, but WINDOWS and MAC OS that have gotten more console like.

[@sitaroartworks]

PC locked down is pure nonsense for all the ones aren't newbie, my friend.

[@sechmascm]

​@@deusexmachinareznov4975 Also, games that are input heavy like Baldur's Gate 3 are getting pretty good menus that let me play with a controller/SD, no problem. The last great hurdles are the classic roguelikes and other more niche games that only target keyboard and mouse

[@naterod]

​@@sechmascmtactical FPS as well. Ready or Not would be a pita to play on a controller.

[@bigbay1159]

@@sitaroartworks Yeah its a stupid comment, you can do what you want on a PC because you choose what operating system you want which literally not how consoles work or allow by default

[@rustybroomhandle]

I said it elsewhere too, but I think Valve should alternate their settop and handheld releases, so that by the time the current gen Steam Deck starts getting long in the tooth, you can buy the set-top and use it to stream at home to your Deck. Then a new Deck hits 2 years later and you can just upgrade to that. I believe the whole idea here is to create a hardware ecosystem. Loads of devices that can be used together. This includes the in development VR stuff.

[@onlyskramz]

Perfect timing, Valve. I'm literally in the process of repurposing an old Fractal Design Node 202 case for a Bazzite Steam Machine Build, lol.

[@thatzaliasguy]

On the earlier Debian-based Linux SteamOS, we did have the precursor to Proton, Valves ToGL translation layer, which used a custom version of WINE that translates D3DX to OpenGL.

[@Gramini]

From what I see "ToGL" is not based on Wine. It only translates Direct3D9 into OpenGL, so it's more like a predecessor to DXVK and VKD3D.

[@alandiegovillalobos]

Brad does not leak, he reports.

[@user-Marrk]

Do you know what would make valve even more money? A steam desktop os that millions of people can install on their existing hardware.

[@rundeks]

I agree 100%. This is what I have wanted since they released the SteamDeck. Something more powerful, with a controller like the SteamDeck with the thumb pads, and that works well with a TV.

[@SyRose901]

Steam Deck's control scheme made into a controller would be a godsend, although I'm from Mongolia, where Valve does not sell their products, we instead have people import it, so the price gets kind of ridiculous...

[@mathewgosney7607]

yeah, that might even be enough for me to get back into console gaming on a tv again after like....15 years lol

[@SyRose901]

@@mathewgosney7607 I think you can get the experience right now with Big Picture Mode on a PC connected to a TV, with a controller.

[@SensibleChuckle]

When I got the Steam Deck I tested a game in hand, then tested the dock... it stayed there since. I'm part if the the statistics that show theres a market for a steam box. Someday I'll watch a Russ video about installing an emulation front end and use the steamdeck ss a handheld more, but it'll still have a dock for multiplayer on the big screen and the couch.

[@ruineka_one]

Valve could do a revenue split for games sold on partner made devices powered by SteamOS. That would help pricing for the consumer and also helo the industry adopt SteamOS

[@Reposeful]

I doubt they could easily set that up. That said I COULD see valve do an incentive program where they give a kickback to partners for each unit sold. Would be a huge draw cause no OS costs on top of the kickback

[@RusticRonnie]

@@Reposeful I mean they could set it up, Steam knows your hardware name and OS, the OS knows if its on a Steamdeck or something else. just like MacOS knows what system its on. The Problem is that if I only use steam on my MSI SteamOS machine then I buy the game on my iPhone app does MSI get a cut? should get a cut? if I have mutiple PC should they get a cut of all sales on my account? they would try to get one it would prob cause more issues is my point

[@Reposeful]

@@RusticRonnie It's everything at the end on why I said they couldn't do it easy. Especially if you have multiple machines. It's why I said it would be much easier for a per sold bonus. Like if Asus sold and ROG ally with windows and steamos but they get a bonus for the steamos versions.

[@cth2lhu]

But also they really don't have to. If their hardware is successful enough that partners have interest, those partners will just build things like the Ally. More power, charge more money.

[@7shocker]

I dunno about this. I think valve will run solo this time. The first go round was a debacle

[@alewx9347]

You definitly forgot about showing us the diffrence in power consomption at 13:11

[@NerdNest]

I definitely did.

[@B_Machine]

The consoles do about 220w under full load.

[@nimarus3118]

Anyone else wish Valve could FINALLY, after 25 YEARS, learn how to count to 3.

[@hardcoregammer1964]

The first Steam Machine was a third-party product. Valve didn’t care about it because it wasn’t their baby.

[@Neidhardt150]

The best part of this for the consumer is that valve putting out a Steam Machine for the living room is that it could put an end to the remaster trend since PC easily goes back well over 20 years worth of releases for native compatibility then you have emulation which covers even further beyond that to 40+ years. it literally would make it so everyone can finally have all of their games all the time and not have to worry about backwards compatibility. What Valve is doing is immensely Pro-Consumer.

[@mathewgosney7607]

All hail our lord and saviour Gaben

[@kylegusek]

This and peripheral support is what made me switch to PC a few years ago

[@mobbaddictchannel]

Exactly. And what's amazing is that nobody would have imagined that feasible 20 years ago.

[@maxinac]

This is a nice video layout -- videogame news while also passively advertising a bunch of games in a way that ALSO feeds into the "zone out and listen to video" type of watch style. (I personally got my dishes done, which I thank you for!) But it's neat this video style does so much for so many. Neat!

[@MarcoHernandez-nb5dc]

Yep. Steam OS + Half Life 3 + Steam Box = ❤ HUGE Success

[@MasterPJ86]

I just made my on steam machine console. I upgraded my pc with a 7800xt, new nvme with bazzite installed on it: I push the button, take my controller in hand, and in few seconds I'm in steam gamescope mode. As easy as a PS5, if now easier. If valve can mainstream this kind of flow for most users, it'll be a huge success, and the first price cut for the PS5 pro will come.

[@dagreatghosface]

I have a ps5 and a steam deck. I do most of my gaming nowadays on the steam deck, partially because I get short bursts of time to play and mostly single player games. However I won't be switching over to steamos fully until they figure out anticheat at a minimum. Seamless integration with games from other launchers would be nice, but while it isn't a problem for me I could see a ton of people not being interested in having to install something like heroic launcher

[@or1on89]

@@dagreatghosfaceanticheat is figured. It is a commercial problem with publishers and Microsoft not a technical one. Games are being locked despite the Linux version of many anticheat is already there..:

[@dagreatghosface]

@@or1on89 that's exactly what I mean by figuring it out. Its almost always a greed issue. Microsoft is ironically helping by blocking kernel level access but if publishers aren't going to allow full gaming on Linux, steam will not be where I get all of my games regardless of how good the steam machine v2 looks unfortunately

[@or1on89]

@@dagreatghosface I understand that feeling...but I also think that a console-like approach united to the convenience of Proton might make many people interested and slowly move the needle to a future where Valve has some leverage against that bs, because honestly Microsoft, Sony and many others have really dropped the ball now for me and it's blatant at this point that there is a monopoly issue with Windows as a platform.

[@seethruhead7119]

thank you so much for leaving the names on the screen

[@juezna]

i know the steam machine concept failed. But the fact that they built proton as a consequence, enabling gaming in linux, was a victory in itself

[@s01itarygaming]

Thanks for adding the titles and links for the games you showcase :)

[@chrisrobinson3494]

Maybe, just maybe, this ISNT a new version of the old Steam Machine, and Valve "pulled the wool over ALL our eyes, and we're getting a earlier-then-expected introduction of the Steam Deck 2!!!

[@wrburdick]

Thanks for the names, just picked up Steam World Heist 2 -- I didn't know they made that!

[@PoeLemic]

What I want is ... #1) two NVMe ports where you can have OS on one and Games on 2nd one. #2) OcuLink port where you can add better GPU later if you want in a docked situation. #3) two DIMM sticks where you can upgrade it, like using laptop memory -- then you can up it to 32gb or 64gb by yourself. #4) a 2.5 Gb network port.

[@jackjack9735]

@@PoeLemic as long as its tall enough they could add computer ram and save space across the motherboard then

[@零云-u7e]

Nvme heat. Gen5 has a problem on certain boards that the primary speeds were severely choked by additional drives running off a switch. Idk if fixed. They could not specify driver code, switch logic, root complex, kernel bottleneck, test logic. It was bad enough to just say use one big drive, like a 2TB to gain advertised speed. I haven't kept up but I don't wanna cook bacon. I'll wait for reviews and teardown, a Cyberpunk install, something like that.

[@allanisme3826]

1 ya i agree mostly 2 oculink sucks would rather have usb4 just so i could use thunderbolt devices on usb4 3 it is mostly designed to be a console ya i get where your coming from but i only half agree here 4 1 gb network port is all you need for a console not many people are going to find a purpose to have any more than that

[@allanisme3826]

yet

[@seste87]

They’re waiting until the Steam Box can drive deckard, possibly wirelessly over WiFi 7. They understand the ecosystem.

[@seste87]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they made the Steam deck a possible controller with a game that could use the extra screen.

[@Rhomagus]

I'd have to agree with this. Even older prototypes of the Deck were using hardware from it's time instead of the newer custom chip they decided to ship the Deck with. They're probably running tests with AMD-Lilac and WiFi 6E but the final product will likely release with an updated custom APU and WiFi 7 or higher.

[@U_fo.]

Void crew best coop games ever. Just do yourself and your friends a favor. Keep displaying good indie games in your videos it's pretty cool.

[@AndrewTSq]

I do not like coop games, but it looks cool, can you play it singleplayer?

[@U_fo.]

@AndrewTSq you can, and the game recently had an update for solo players. It's not as good but still it's fun.

[@joshuawalker7038]

Also good on ya for keeping the game names up for awhile!

[@BarneyCalhounHL]

I really hope that Valve NEVER becomes publicly traded. It would be awful.

[@spokehedz]

Whoever owns the OUYA trademark for a game console has the opportunity to do the most hilarious thing ever.

[@RiveTheRat]

@@spokehedz Razer owns OUYA. I wish they had the balls to pull that off

[@comDotB]

Razer acquired OUYA when they were going bankrupt, but unfortunately they made the Razer Forge (which failed even harder) instead of an OUYA 2.

[@onebulletleftseymour922]

I've been waiting for 14 years for linux gaming to be a thing and times are changing there's no better time to partially switch most all new games run flawlessly and im all here for it

[@TorQueMoD]

Oh, I really hope this is basically a desktop Steamdeck with more power. Would be amazing! It's also the perfect time with Microsoft moving to streaming, and Switch getting long in the tooth.

[@kcrain81]

I totally agree with your take on this. Since Microsoft can't seem to hack it as the direct Sony competition, Valve seems like they have a real shot here. What I would LOVE to see is that both are successful in their own right: Sony keeps cranking out bangers of first-party, GOTY candidates, and Valve keeps growing Steam, developing Linux gaming (also as a real competitor to Windows gaming), and we continue to see choice INCREASE. If Microsoft wants to open up GamePass everywhere, including Windows/Xbox/PlayStation/Steam, that would be great too. I have not been a PC gamer until I bought a Steam Deck, and I love it. I would love to see the Steam Machine 2 have serious chops at great quality graphics on 4k TVs, at least with upscaling that's competitive, "good enough" if you will, on a small box that's cheaper than PS5. I would also love to see SteamOS available to anyone who wants to build a $2500 gaming PC with the latest Ryzen/RX hardware that would start to prove to NVIDIA that opening their drivers to Linux gaming is beneficial, competitive, and potentially lucrative (whatever it takes to lure them in). I can see it all happening, maybe not all at once, but possibly gradually over the next 5-10 yrs. What a world of gaming that would be! And Valve might be the company that could ignite it all.

[@nickk.kalogeras6983]

Music to my ears!!!!!!!!

[@naterod]

I became a "PC" gamer with a Steam Deck as well. With Xbox bascially slowly admitting they are leaving the console space and going full party that leaves a amssive hole to be filled. The downfall of AAA in the console space doesnt really bother me that much because the indie scene on Steam is absolutely amazing. Valve and Sony are my go to companies for gaming. There are titles like Stalker 2 and Indiana Jones id love to get on Steam but the Deck is showing its age. With the Fremont i get access to the amazing Steam library and access to whatever Xbox games i wanna buy and then still have the PS5 with the VR2 for VR and the portal for mobile PS5 gaming. This would be the perfect setup for me. Especially if adding a keyboard/mouse for games like Ready or Not is just as easy as it is when the Deck is docked

[@savage5757]

6:30 This could very well be a dual portal gun

[@EdwarioERS]

I got a Steam Deck because I could tinker with it. I got the 64GB base model, replaced it with a 1TB SSD, and then added a 1TB SD card. I have Steam games installed on the SSD and the SD card is exclusively for EmuDeck roms. Tinkering with my Steam Deck lead me to reorganize my desktop emulator and rom collection, to update and replace where it best fit. I could've done a lot of this with a smart phone, but I never did it because I don't like cellphones and their planned obsolescence backed into their hardware. By July of 2023 the Steam Deck ecosystem was so well developed that the potential and ease of use to setup a handheld to rule them all could not be ignored by my PCMR self. Last time I had jury duty the Steam Deck + a big ole power bank was a life saver. It was like The Breakfast Club with benefits.

[@orctrihar]

18:25 Shipping a sinking ship on a ship sinking even more lol

[@whisped8145]

You seem like a good chap who stays right on topic and substance. Hunch the sub will be worth it :)

[@MailOrderGamers]

Please don't get rid of the track pads I love them

[@futurehistoryarchaeologist4480]

As a steam controller vet, I hate how easy they are to click. I can't map stuff to them without fear of misinputs. I used to put jump on it, but I can't do that on the deck.

[@Rhomagus]

If anything I'd wish for them to shift the focus back to the track pads. So hard to find center blind on the tiny Deck pads.

[@iLegionaire3755]

Steam OS could be an absolute game changer, and a threat to Windows polarizing dominance.

[@roberttony001]

The Steam OS on many different brands of miniPC. The power need for gaming, more than ample for office, communications and streaming. Downloading a console to install on your miniPC. Getting manufacturers to pre-install it, too make it all so much easier. Set top box install able OS 85" screen.

[@ricdinchirock3625]

What I _really_ want to see is a SteamOS-compatible board in the Nano, or even Pico-ITX form factor. I and many others have always wanted a _truly_ portable steam device. Sure, the Deck can be carried around, but it's not like you're sticking that thing into a pocket, or even the average purse.

[@whisped8145]

I didn't think it would happen but... you were right... I saw the footage of Cosmoteer and... I'm in love... damnit... how dare you!

[@obi0914]

"Always plan two sales ahead"-Gabe "Gaben" Newell-probably

[@jestificated]

We need a set top box that streams to your vr headset or handheld or tv with zero performance issues, near zero added lag, latency etc.

[@finraziel]

Hey thanks for leaving the titles on the screen :) I wishlisted Minishoot Adventures, that looks really cool... Yoku's is really cool too, played that on deck a year or so ago. The title box might be a bit intrusive now, maybe make it a little smaller and more in the corner? Or if you wanna get real fancy, keep it the same but after a few seconds (when you would normally remove it again), then make it move into the corner while shrinking... Or maybe make the edges blur out instead of being a hard rectangle. But I have no idea how hard those things would be, I'm a complete noob when it comes to video editing. And on the other hand, now the title of the game is visible and legible on the seekbar, which is also an advantage :) So I dunno, thank you for trying this though, it definitely helps in remembering these games you're showcasing :) As for a steam box/console, I wouldn't want one myself, but I think it would be very good as competition for Sony like you say. It doesn't look like Microsoft will ever be able to form a significant competitor again and Sony being basically the only option for high(-ish) power livingroom console-gaming would be bad for everyone.

[@SteezzyAsian]

I agree with everything, it would also be cool if i could seamlessly transfer between the stationary system and the deck. That way i dont have to leave the couch and the deck just becomes a controller for the console

[@Taimugen]

before the oled came out when everyone was going on how it had to be steam deck 2, i was looking at a lot of the actual filed paperwork for it and the wifi 6 which most had illustrations of a desk top box in the filings back then (the wifi antenna wraps around the entire casing in the illustration specs) so over a year ago. it also has in the filed specs from back then that deckard would have a distance sensor from it (i don't remember the wording, its been over a year) but i've been aware of deckard for over 2 years, the desk top box over a year now, and the controller 2, we just found out about... by the way.. in all that i picked up on, deckard could easily be compatible with steam deck (at least with the oled version - its in the old filings anyway)

[@etZZeUs]

In the end it all comes down to specs & price.

[@X862go]

Void Crew is so good !

[@airspeedmph]

A dedicated Valve-made device will also offer a standard for developers to easily target and test their games on.

[@tosvus]

Seems more likely to me they will make an exact copy of the Steam Deck in terms of APU, memory etc., and sell this a lot cheaper since it doesn't require a battery or screen. It is much easier for them to maintain one baseline in terms of optimizing vulkan etc.

[@balmashev93]

Same chip, but with different power limit?

[@naterod]

People will be expecting to play modern titles at 60 fps on this. Especially xbox gamers that have been betrayed by xbox. It would have to be at least more powerful than the Series S otherwise the Ponies amd Xbots will just dog it and not buy it.

[@ikeduno7973]

I like the idea that Freemont is a form factor that other mfg's can explore.

[@louisferreira1012]

You’d hope its much more powerful than a steamdeck!

[@TheSimonarne]

I think there are also 2 more options this can be other than a console. 1. Small desktop Devkit. 2. Gaming laptop. I feel the first one is self explanatory but the second one makes ABIT more sense as I think I could more easily get a parent to buy a laptop instead of a gaming handheld or a console like system

[@neverfae442]

I think.... the craziest thing this could be would be a tricked out dock for your steam deck. Like you dock it, and it has external storage to draw from (like games you cant usually play/play well). Something that's similar to the switch conceit of a handheld that is also a home console, where its like a home console you can pick up a piece of. I think if its a computer, basically, geared to gaming? And it even has a little peripheral spot where you can pop your deck down and suddenly you can play all the games you have saved to its memory without much muss or fuss, thats suddenly a merging of pcs and handheld gaming. Thinking about it, when the switch was released there was speculation about the dock doing all sorts of performance enhancements and extra storage for it, so you could have "on the go" games and "at home" games. That wouldn't work too well for the switch. But Valve is already a company saying you can play most games on the deck, but not all. We already accepted that. But a home console that even just nods to the handheld branch would sell numbers. Literally any integration and suddenly its "well I have a rog ally, but it can run the steamOS fine, and if its on that then it docks to the steam machine and I can power up my gaming and just grab it and go when I need to". I dont know a lot about tech, but thinking as someone who bought a steam deck in the first place because it seemed like the sort of device that would have a big community to help me if I needed it, and a company that would offer support if I ran into an issue I dont have the skills to work around, if this happened then I would very happily save up to grab it.

[@RollinShultz]

A console with the power and freedom of a high-end PC would be a huge win in my opinion. The standard they should apply is “can it run Crysis?”

[@Pegaroo_]

Thanks for leaving the game names up Bill ❤

[@lemurtheory9350]

It should totally be a modular condole like PC. Base is main mother board with format like Minisforum DEG1 only power supply is built in and easy open spots for putting in CPU, RAM, and storage. Then just like the DEG1 you just plug GPU into the outside. This would open up the ability to just buy and upgrade for individual parts When you can. Most of the time cheaper for customer and a way for companies to get a lot more little buys per customer that would actually lead to more profit than a few bigger buys cause it would be easier to do. Even with the main base mother board you can get the newest one and just move over the other parts.

[@KevinMisiuda]

You're doing great work, I'm getting a lot of value from your videos.

[@izzyhope58]

I've had a steam deck for a few years, and a few months ago I bought a dock so me and my roommates can play games on the TV. I would probably be interested in some sort of new steam machine as a more powerful TV gaming device, without having to stream or drag my big pc into the living room

[@willymagi9253]

Really appreciate you put name of games on vid while they’re playing, great little touch

[@catsanovagaming273]

thanks for the content :D looking forward to what valve has in store for us

[@pabloelia6615]

You know what would be great? Steam pulling more players into the Linux ecosystem and discord releasing proper support for that cursed OS

[@pabloelia6615]

@monki_sudo on Linux? It's buggy, it crashes a lot and screen sharing doesn't work very well

[@SEVENTEENPOINT1]

IMO this is a great thing. A lot of my friends want to just sit down and play their games. If that means more of my friends move over to PC that is great.

[@Cariocekus]

Honestly this also gets my hopes up for an improved Steam Link, not just a full on "Console" like. If we end up getting both that would be great.

[@Rashomon20s]

so when do y’all’s podcast typically drop? Kinda excited for the next one considering…recent developments 👀

[@cydragon2.099]

to me I wish to make an upgrade where my PC collection + Emulation can be play(ed) wherever but when at my setup it'll be more than just playable

[@T0mbStone-]

it is such an interesting future were heading to regarding new steam machines and handhelds

[@OGcrazyGaming]

My only concern is having the ultimate upgradibility over time that PC has had for years. Looking at how the original steam machine prototype was designed.. I can see that dream bring real. Not to mention Valve has a bunch of data when it comes to what hardware we are using with which games. Some SFX Gaming PC pre-builds with Steam OS installed that comes with a controller maybe? BUT considering PC hardware is getting more expensive. I might make my own stream machine, buy there steam controller 2 and get to playing.

[@reveriestandard]

back when steam machines launched, they also didn't have gamescope, or any decent game focused compositor, they also didn't have access to powerful AND SoCs, so third party hardware vendors were having to put in PC GPUs vs the more cost effective SoC

[@NightmanEX]

One thing I really want to see Valve do with Big Picture Mode is make a proper console like experience for Steam. I want a Steam box under my TV but I want it to be the only box. I want it to be able to do Streaming and play disc media. One of the big selling points of the PlayStation 1 was that it played CDs, PlayStation 2 played DVD, and 3 played Blu-Rays. I still have a lot of disc based media and I want a to be able to play it on my console like device.

[@Wooskii1]

I absolutely love how you show cool indie games in the background, also 💯 👍's for Katana Zero! One of my favorite games, period, I just wish we could finally get that free DLC, or a sequel, or anything.

[@JamieR]

Would buy a steambox in a heartbeat if it could run all games at 1080p or 1440p upscaled.

[@tonyrosario1940]

And if your game progress is synced between the console and Steam Deck, that would be super cool 🤘🏼🔥

[@StephenSmith304]

​@@tonyrosario1940Yes I hope this is coming sometime soon - with all these devices we need wider support for cloud saves and backups. I play plenty of games on my deck that don't support cloud save so manually moving saves to a steam box would be a hassle.

[@czaczaczar]

@@StephenSmith304 The solution for now is GameSave Manager for non-cloud supported games.

[@YogiTheBearMan]

@@tonyrosario1940synced cloud saves are already a thing between PC Steam and Steam deck or do you mean something else?

[@coryturke7336]

I bought a Quest 2, then a Quest 3. Before that, I played Red Dead Redemption 2 religiously on Xbox Series X. Then I figured out how to play RDR2 in 3D virtual reality on my Quest with my new PC. My Xbox is now collecting dust. I have not touched it since. It's a paper weight. RDR2 in 3D VR changed everything. It's what I've been waiting for my entire life. I simply can not go back to a flat screen television. I'm truly in the world now. I can almost feel the wind, rain and snow on my face. I have to squint when the sun gets in my eyes. It's that good. I'm getting goosebumps just remembering how amazing it is to be on my horse riding through the forest and watching the sun glimmer through the leaves overhead, then coming to a clearing and seeing the lake in front of me. Another console means absolutely nothing to me. I will never go back. If this "valve in a box" comes out and can do VR great, but it won't be any greater than a 4070, so it's already outdated in comparison. It has no use whatsoever for me. Not dissing it or anything, but once you've done high end PCVR, you just can't go back. It feels like getting into a gas car after driving a tesla. The future isn't another box you stick under a TV. Now with UEVR, R.E.A.L. mods, vorpX and SteamVR, I have thousands of games to play in VR. I genuinely could not care less for this new box. I like downloading a game and then tinkering with it to add features to the world's I experience. It's what video games should have always been, and it's genuinely here finally. Can't wait to get home and jump back into RDR2 and work around the homestead and do some camping by a fire as I watch the sunset 🥰

[@seebarry4068]

Key sellers will be the first casualty of the steam box.

[@Whatthe-o7g]

Proton is quite simply amazing for us Linux users. Had very few games that don't work right, and it's never very long before its patched. Or even then just switching proton versions a lot of the time works too, and it's trivial to do. I've also noticed a large uptick in indie studios making Linux native versions because even they realise there is a user base there and with it growing all the time, it makes sense.

[@lthomas63]

I’d like to see a starting price of $399 or less, the ability to have the user update the RAM or the storage, multiple slots for SSD’s to expand the storage. Also, keep the ability to purchase cheap games and not start making premium games only for it so you can always pick up cheap games to purchase on it.

[@Tekay37]

The biggest advantage of any SteamOS hardware will be that you already own all the games you've bought in the past and you can just play them on the new hardware. I hope Valve doesn't just publish a console, though. I hope they'll release a SteamOS Desktop Gaming PC as an alternative to updating from Windows 10.

[@crushsytle]

I am here for it even with me getting a steamdeck late in it's existing. This sounds like a great device library..

[@MancNinja78]

As someone who has just bought a Steam Deck after many years away from PC and Steam I really like the idea of a Steam Console. Buying into the Steam ecosystem means that in future if I want to go the whole hog and get a gaming PC I keep all of my library.

[@Damglador]

Valve: "Never give up!"

[@RavenShinyThings]

If they did a tray you could unlock and pull out to swap GPU generations would be a nice touch as no doubt we are getting back into huge performance jumps again due to ray tracing.

[@itkovian-1113]

good video. also appreciated the titles for games shown as well. expanded my library. subbing just for that. thumbs up😎

[@kw9209]

I think it’s some kind of pc. Whether you call it a “pc” or “steam machine 2” it doesn’t matter. It’ll have power over portability because they will need the power for their upcoming vr headset. I think will be portable enough though to put it in your living room or at a desk and play it with their new steam controller too

[@budthecyborg4575]

AMD "Strix Halo" Ryzen AI HX395 is coming out next year, an APU with 40 GPU compute units.

[@J4sonkempson]

@budthecyborg4575 funny thinking the same, i was going to look at making my own next year with bazzite.

[@B_Machine]

I'll be happily enjoying it from the sidelines here on YT haha. It'll be expensive.

[@MonkeyNBananas]

you should be able to use the steam deck as a controller, and as a screen