Nerdy Privacy-Focused Discord Alternatives!

[@pqhantom]

I've never met this man. I've never talked to this man before in my life but for some reason hearing him call me his little sweet heart and going "mwah" really made my day. God I need to touch grass.

[@Letthy_oliverr]

Me personally it bricked me up

[@Maxsteel_4014]

​@@Letthy_oliverr Now im not a "smart" intelectual... but i think you really *REALLY* need to *touch* _grass_

[@Letthy_oliverr]

@@Maxsteel_4014 is your name "grass" by any chance?

[@Maxsteel_4014]

@@Letthy_oliverr is your name "brick" by any chance?

[@royalreaper1483]

@@Maxsteel_4014 Gustavo and Brick.

[@7heMech]

Time to make an encrypted open source alternative to discord and then get depressed realizing no money.

[@JordanPlayz158]

"We all secretly love discord." O.o

[@brainbomb.]

And these alternatives better give the option to set the pfp back to a default.

[@lorekeeper685]

I know there is something called satalite being made but not sure how privacy secure

[@wtfcxt]

@@brainbomb. discord has one too man

[@brainbomb.]

@@wtfcxt Guilded doesn't.

[@bennihtm]

Element is in the process of adding custom emoji support and custom themes. Last I checked they were almost done with the custom emoji support.

[@aprilnya]

and Custom Emojis and Stickers have been in Cinny (and other Matrix clients) for like a year now

[@iuploadsometimes]

Other clients already have these features, like nheko. However these clients have worse UX than element in my opinion so I just stick to it

[@nathanitet]

I just want to say before your videos I've never seen someone use browser tab groups so effectively, and it's incredibly satisfying seeing you use them.

[@Dash62g]

No friends? Bomb recipes? NTTS really knows his audience♥️

[@jhenielpr]

No replies? 100 likes? Let me fix that.

[@nicolaecalin4217]

1 reply? 102 likes? Let me fix that

[@hellocreeper88]

Yo mama

[@Lester11223]

3 Replies? 114 likes? Let me fix that.

[@Mario583a]

Make you wonder what happened to all his friends...

[@KarimIsReal]

The tags feature is actually really cool! I really hope discord does something about this!

[@QuinceTart10]

On Matrix you need to manually enable E2E encryption in your rooms or it will be unencrypted. In DMs it's automagically enabled. Also Element loads really slow when you are in a lot of rooms.

[@ardishco]

in rooms its kinda pointless since its literally public most of the time, so that's why its turned off by default

[@obj_obj]

They're adding better sync support soon to fix the long loading times when logging in

[@colinbarndt6789]

BTW the German military is also using Matrix/their own version of Element, so this should reassure that the messenger is *very* secure. (They are listed on the website, also shown in the video)

[@ardishco]

the US army also uses Matrix/

[@ahriboy]

​@@ardishcoeven Texan emergency services use Matrix too

[@hugueprimem1757]

A big advantage of matrix is also that you can speak with people from different platforms, you have bridges for instagram, whatsapp, signal, discord... so you can regroup all your conversation in one plateform.

[@UserAccount-ThisOne]

you know.... when people who desire privacy are referred to as "weird" or "nerdy" it starts to make you question your sanity.... have we really normalized the absence of any privacy at all?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[@Galaxia53]

Revolt seems to have incredible potential. Just end to end encryption and the ability to donate in beam and it seems perfect

[@antonm1834]

literally discord

[@amogoose2971]

@@antonm1834 discord doesnt have end to end encryption 😑

[@firelordazula]

​@@antonm1834 Now even better than discord they just updated their username system it's really awesome 🎉

[@JessicaFEREM]

I use the fediverse (mastodon) and most people I know use matrix/element. It just works and is privacy focused, which most of the people on the fediverse like their privacy

[@BoingoInstaller]

You comparing warm with soft. Think of it like Twitter and Discord

[@atomictransfusion]

calckey better!11!1!1!1!1!

[@JessicaFEREM]

@@atomictransfusion yea it is I just say mastodon because it's what most people know

[@aprilnya]

@@atomictransfusion no, akkoma better !!!!!!!11!

[@JessicaFEREM]

@Glucose Lover there are many other fediverse softwares, pleroma can run on an old raspberry pi. you're spoiled for choice there.

[@morleidr1725]

Love revolt personally prefer how customizable it is and the similarities to discord, waiting for screen sharing then it's perfect

[@Nianiabe]

Element is actually pretty great for working with clients (which makes sense since it's geared towards businesses). You can have clients in one room and have separate spaces for individual client interactions nested within that room. That's fantastic and keeps everything organized. ❤

[@ujjvalw2684]

Closed Source. Claims to be privacy friendly. def not FBI backdoor

[@aprilnya]

8:27 This is sort of misleading, because Matrix federates, and Revolt doesn't. The difference is: *you can message anyone from any matrix homeserver, from your own matrix homeserver, and you can join a room hosted on any matrix homeserver, from your own matrix homeserver*. Revolt doesn't do that - if I'm on my own Revolt instance, and someone else is on the official Revolt instance, I can't talk to them, or join their servers.

[@etch-6261]

U actually can have custom emoji and stickers in matrix! In element last time i checked u could make emoji packs, while in other matrix clients u can just straight up make your own emoji locally

[@Clxud]

OMG thank you so much for featuring my post about Revolt, i’m so glad it’s actually getting some coverage

[@raylying]

truly a revolt moment

[@ravenscott]

Heyyy - I saw my Revolt server in the discover tab within this video! Hello From Revolt-Linux :)

[@Dino_Shrimp]

I think Element isn't really an alternative to Discord. It has the server features but its more like an own messanger or maybe an alternative to Slack

[@emifro]

It's definitely more similar to Slack, but I don't see why it couldn't be used as a Discord server replacement.

[@smixqse]

Element might not be, but afaik there's nothing stopping someone from rebuilding almost every aspect of Discord using Matrix, even if that makes it incompatible with other clients

[@smixqse]

@@saiv46 maybe federation, self-hosting and e2ee for dms will be enough for most people? then only if you need extra privacy for text channels you should enable e2ee for it, while knowing its downsides?

[@ItsTheWhale]

It definitely lacks some features, but for some people being free and open source is enough.

[@readifdumb]

@@emifro No audio for streaming. That one feature alone makes it not worth switching over just yet. I just it as a separate chat box currently

[@jiristefka3177]

The thing about joining a server on element is that you have to do a secure handshake to be able to use the end to end encryption. And if the server is not running on matrix but is selfhosted somewhere, you'll be slowed down by whatever that person uses

[@bsdims]

As a year-long happy Matrixian, this vid was preettyyyy goood, was a nice overview. I approve, though you overlooked that other homeservers can set the filesize to whatever they want. :P I am glad that ya mentioned Miitrix though btw.

[@ZainnhyDude]

It's always good to have backups, incase Discord somehow falls or messes up really bad. Who knows when Discord may go down for maintenance.

[@zabrid9143]

Bro I got a U.S. military ad for the types of recipes you kept talking about in this video 💀

[@user-bkey]

never knew about revolt it looks like just discord but open source and i like that

[@sprinklednights]

I actually managed to get a non-technical friend to Matrix, and we have been using it more than Discord ever since. It isn't a Discord replacement, and it will never be, however, having an alternative is really sweet, and in Matrix case, they really did a great job in my opinion.

[@oglothenerd]

OMG! These two open source services are great! I made a video about Revolt that also covers bridging with Discord, btw.

[@Metruzanca]

matrix is fast when you consider that its e2e. A whatsapp/signal/similar chat, is just a chat, usually with few people. Telegram groups are not e2e by default and idk if the massive groups can even be made into "secret chats". A matrix server can have many channels. Its pretty much unheard of having a e2e multi-room server. Definitely not saying that there isn't room for improvement. Its already pretty damn amazing it works at all. No clue why Revolt didn't just use Matrix and make a better UX. Its going to be a massive undertaking making it e2e. e2e doesn't mean the server has an easier job, far from it. Loads of cryptography needs to happen on the server to ensure receivers' are able to read all senders' messages. While the server can't, but it still needs to know if the message arrived correctly.

[@ninja85aop48]

matrix/element rooms arent usually encrypted, element doesnt recommend it unless your making a private invite only room

[@Metruzanca]

@@ninja85aop48 Thanks for the clarification!

[@readifdumb]

@@ninja85aop48 It's still an option, and upon starting up matrix and creating chat rooms it is basically the first setting that comes up.

[@Dekaku]

matrix also suppors vr chat like applications, as it is not "just" a text/voice chat platform, but a realtime communication platform. Discord-like apps are only a part of what you can do with it.

[@lowhigh3426]

The only fact that I can use matrix on my Nintendo ds makes it a win for me

[@DethSymphony]

After Tencent acquired a big share of Discord they are now legally obligated to share their info with the chinese government if asked to. And they will. So alternatives are certainly needed. However, Discord is so integrated in all kinds of games. So many mobile games even have an in-game button to easily access it's Discord channel. Just the sheer amount of channels and communities there and how integrated it has become for ALL sorts of games makes it very hard to imagine it being replaced as the goto app for most gaming communities.

[@beforedrrdpr]

Yo, wtf did that happen?!?!??!!

[@DankGas-]

Having shares of a company doesn't mean you own it. :/

[@beforedrrdpr]

@@DankGas- nah, owning shares grants you parentage of ownership to the company

[@DethSymphony]

@@DankGas-They ARE owners. Partial owners but owners none the less. And ALL Chinese tech companies are legally obligated to share any information the CCP asks for. Tencent is no exception. They are even MORE likely to be used by the CCP since they give the company loads of unfair benefits already.

[@ActuallyFunnerL]

​@@DethSymphony no they aren't owners, what are you talking about? they funded discord but that is all they did stop talking nonsense

[@sliwka7889]

Thank you for bringing attention to those platforms

[@ItsOnlyMe360]

i realized that Telegram is getting some of discord-like features you can have a group, that have channels, different chats, it supports bots and you can search servers by name, its kinda cool i guess

[@madpandahat]

It’s also worth noting that Element voice chat is purely call based. It’s not the drop in drop out open channel like Discord or Revolt. They have an “experimental” feature but it’s not an ideal experience. That’s what drove me to choose Revolt.

[@peppefailla1630]

Welcome to the amazing world of federated networks my man. This is the internet of the future. The internet of the people

[@GamingForeverFTW]

Can you do a more in depth video about Element/matrix it seems really neat if only it was as popular as discord in a sense.... but i feel like for content creator or servers owners of say gmod or fiveM servers would be able to use this as a different form of communication for in game stuff all hosted via their vps

[@mikedev101]

Ah yes, a Revower cameo. Makes me happy seeing it. Join Meower if you dare

[@ShowierData9978]

ello mike

[@Hyperboid]

I'm so glad that he decided to keep this glorious thumbnail

[@LOGoltem4682]

I would consider Element more of a Whatsapp alternative (with more features) rather than a Discord alternative. So yeah Element sucks from a alternative to Discord perspective but it rocks as a alternative to Whatsapp.

[@AstraaRoblox]

Revolt looks so new, And modern, And amazing! Element looks like Bing. But no offense

[@sword0115]

The thing is, discord is the only chat app that is available for all platforms Some people seem to forget that discord is made for gamers to talk to each other while they're playing, and being available on all platforms is pretty important for that.

[@ardishco]

getting your hands on toolkits is pretty hard and expensive so only Discord has the money to keep up with all that yeah

[@hosytaa6018]

​​​@@ardishcodiscord uses electron, which even a grandma can use without any extra money to be paid

[@atiedebee1020]

Element is also available on all platforms? And discords Linux support really sucks

[@sword0115]

@@atiedebee1020 element is not on all platforms. I'm talking about gaming platforms (cause y'know, discord is a gaming application) and I can guarantee that element ain't on PlayStation or Xbox

[@atiedebee1020]

@@sword0115 Discord only got onto playstation recently. There's no discord on the switch or PS4

[@matthewsmess]

4:45 translation: this is a server where we talk about everything that revolves around genshin impact

[@Wither_Strike]

It is a crime that teamspeak and mumble aren’t in a video about *nerdy* discord alternatives. To give a quick run through, they are almost the same thing, but I know teamspeak better so I’m gonna list a few things from that specifically. Teamspeak is a bit harder to setup than discord, with the lack of in browser options. However what it lacks in ease of use it makes up for a LOT in number of settings, it’s not too bad to find the one you’re looking for but the number of options is good for more power user type people. In terms of features it has voice, text, and files (except mumble doesn’t have file sharing) which is pretty standard, directional audio is also there for all games that support it, and if a game doesn’t support it by default like minecraft you can make mods (depending on the game) to add support. You can also add encryption if you feel the need (or mumble has encryption by default) and self host a server so you don’t have to go through any server corps if you don’t want to. To my understanding mumble also has a server browser or on both you can connect to private servers via IP and password. All in all they are both good options, and while here it looks like mumble has a lot for features than teamspeak, they both are about equal and if you have an issue you can (I think this is also on mumble, but I don’t remember) add community made addons

[@Wither_Strike]

@soafen what’s going on with 5?

[@Sinvullz]

I really hate teamspeak and I don’t find technical stuff hard it’s easy to setup for me but I just have this bitterness when using it. I can only use it for arma or mass amount of player communication otherwise for me it’s useless

[@Sinvullz]

@@Wither_Strike I think it’s trying to modernize or something

[@Wither_Strike]

@@Sinvullz understandable, I’ve just used it for a while so it’s kinda nostalgic almost for me

[@Sinvullz]

@@Wither_Strike I do like the nostalgic aspect of it though

[@mkoriginal6429]

WOOOO a new video, always fun to watch

[@dread1089]

Reminder that revolt is not E2EE yet!!

[@4Bakers]

I think keywords would be controversial, because people could use keywords to effectively stalk someone. If keywords was a role permission, giving the power to disable it globally to server admins, that should help though.

[@YHK_YT]

Ya I love privacy so much the government doesn’t even know I’m in the country let alone in their office

[@cuply]

I love discoaaard

[@PlayzEffect]

Me too...

[@Ahmadinsy_4827]

me too

[@Choroalp]

sucks ass + closed source

[@freemovies411]

Your wheezing laugh was so cute.

[@shrobbyy]

Revolt is working on a completely new client right now btw.

[@bummerboomerx]

what is it?

[@shrobbyy]

@@bummerboomerx They're replacing the current client with a new one for way better performance and many new features that are hard to make with the current client.

[@trustytrojan]

cant wait for it, it looks like a way neater experience, they do need to work on basic discord features though

[@andre_601]

@@trustytrojan "basic Discord features" To be honest here, a lot of discord's "basic features" are either so common that everyone uses it, or straight up copies from other platforms. Stickers? Slack (iirc?) and Matrix had this before them. Custom emojis? Same deal. Roles? TeamSpeak has that. Not to mention is the fact that Revolt is considered a "clone" a painful insult, given that Discord at one point blatantly copied the Slack layout almost to the pixel.

[@noxxyy]

I hope they offer the option to hide the Bottom language. I'd like my chat app clean, please. Once that's done I'll consider it, just not a fan of that stuff being in there.

[@anekodot.]

hey, just an FYI, matrix *is* element. element is a client for matrix. haven't watched the full video yet though, just assuming from description

[@nathanitet]

I kind of like that element is harder to set up a server - less shittily run servers, less children running things, I feel like the skill requirement being higher has it's benefits (as well as it's cons, obviously)

[@ars-br1ms]

the most private chat platform is basement of a kidnapper

[@gliczide]

napster

[@NetherFalcon]

​@gliczide hey i've seen you before!

[@QuiescentusAstra]

I was waiting for this video! Let's goooo

[@pigunter]

you know that shit is getting real when ntts making alternativies review

[@1e1001]

i remember hearing that one of the main reasons matrix is so slow is because the server is written in python (a.k.a. quite slow)

[@aprilnya]

there are other matrix servers being made tho current one is synapse, written in python, but there is also dendrite (written in Go) and conduit (written in Rust) being made :3

[@myself50094]

it depends on which client you use.

[@that_guy1211]

makes sense why element (matrix), would take that long, that russian server you tried to join was probably being hosted in russia, which would explain the internet speed

[@tram1839]

thanks for the video, really needed this info. our entire friend group is kinda just making redundant copies of stuff for backup means, we don't like the way things are heading. Any news on whether or not these platforms are still good?

[@dzlandis]

Thanks for making a video about this NTTS :)

[@diamonddemon7612]

make the "Alternatives to Discord" server the most popular discord server. Ya know, as a slap in the face to discord

[@totallylegitjosh]

3:53 Never thought my Meower to Revolt bridge, Revower would get featured in a NTTS video

[@ShowierData9978]

Programed by meh :D

[@totallylegitjosh]

@@ShowierData9978 yeah

[@phalanx5667]

Element seems great. Some of us like privacy and are not government dogs that follow whatever agenda they put in our mouths

[@dracula5752]

Revolt so nice, and is very early so makes sense doesn't have a lot features.

[@mattyinnit9009]

LETS GOOO A VIDEO ABOUT REVOLT!!!

[@Wertflux]

The 3D anime girl depicted in the icon of "Catgirl Dungeon" is actually Karin (by komado), who is a foxgirl (😘), NOT a catgirl.

[@colly6022]

i love the concept behind matrix, but i find it's really hard to get into. there's not a whole lot of UX consistency across clients, unlike how apps like web browsers all have a very familiar interface despite being different clients for the same HTTP/S protocol. also, DMs aren't really a thing in matrix afaik. you have to create a private room with one person in it. i understand why DMs aren't in the protocol spec, since its "topologically" identical to 2-person private rooms, but it would just be nice to have like a direct p2p messaging thing, where the homeserver can obfuscate your IP addresses.

[@okunamayanad]

you can host your own servers on element so performance can change a lot also i guess you can change the file limit too?

[@ninja85aop48]

yup I know someone who's set their matrix (synapse) server file limit to 10GB :P

[@HaloWolf102]

Really great to see these are available on Linux!

[@DireZombie]

I still hate the fact that if I go to delete my Discord Account, none of my messages are deleted. They just get 'anonymised' So if I ever said my name to someone in a chat or on a server, that message remains, forever.

[@noxxyy]

Agreed, that should certainly be changed.

[@readifdumb]

Under their TOS they say your account will be completely deleted and any data attached to you with it. So even though friends can still see certain messages you've left behind, it's functionally served its purpose for privacy. That is if they're telling the truth. Delete things in chat you don't want friends to see.

[@rooot_]

I want to point out that the Revolt app is WAY faster than the Discord app on Linux by at least 3 times - Discord is EXTREMELY stuttery on Linux while Revolt runs like normal lmao

[@svansy]

Muah! Once again. All the Muah's to you

[@ZabuzaWGlasses]

This video will be watched by a lot of Turks

[@comradeomr4318]

Sanirim revolt kullanicam

[@tibletyllar]

@@comradeomr4318 bende kullanıcaktım ama açılmıyo

[@almuaz]

My first job is to build a mee6 bot for revolt and make it completely free with additional features that popular discord bots offer.

[@rooot_]

I love how NTTS is laughing at terminal clients not realising that there's people that spend most of their time in a terminal. (i definitely am not one of them cough cough)

[@infinityyworks]

me after spending hours logged in to an ssh server wanting to use discord in the terminal

[@whitespaced]

@@infinityyworks same fr i went as far as to self host a web ssh client so i could access my computer from school

[@rooot_]

based

[@akai4311]

My operating system is a bootloader for Emacs. (not a terminal (text editor), but same idea lol)

[@desupernoodle]

Linux nerds detected 🚨 🤓 🚨

[@zedsleepyhead]

I've been working with some people on something called Meower that will eventually have some discord-like features in it

[@R_E_D22]

just got on today odd platform

[@Robbiefrfr]

I saw Revolt before, it’s actually very good.

[@mqxf]

If you self host a matrix honeserver u can make the upload limit anything

[@NeoGames2]

Well this aged well.

[@Gamersunite2506]

Why?

[@christianeldon]

Imagine being known as the discord news guy at least u make ironic jokes, I don't even use discord but I still watch these

[@qwqmaple]

After watching the full 24 minute video i can say that i'm too lazy to switch from discord

[@lootria]

13:07 element doesnt but fluffychat does. custom global emojis that everyone can see across all clients (i believe, it worked across fluffy and element just fine). fluffychat is just a client for matrix like element is, its just that element is way more popular

[@sigma_sig_ma]

2:03 on the grans laptop it says "beauty is you" in russian

[@Rismose]

Why test speeds on the web app and not on the actual clients?

[@hooting-ton5215]

Revolt doesn't have a native client yet.

[@Atrophy]

I love my privacy

[@ujjvalw2684]

how

[@Nexirawtf]

Honestly I would 100% use revolt it seems nice but I love discord so not trying to switch

[@toxicwxste]

Please make more videos on privacy!

[@yesyse35874]

In an alternete universe: Hey man whats your revolt?

[@Jjjk31223]

NTTS, How many members of the group chat are the limit in Revolt, Element and Matrix? 10 or what?

[@starleighpersonal]

64 bit integer limit

[@AnxiousFrenchFries]

​@@starleighpersonal imagine if it's signed. Mmm yes I love my -2 group members

[@Jjjk31223]

@@starleighpersonal ok thank you.

[@Jjjk31223]

@@AnxiousFrenchFries LOL!

[@starleighpersonal]

@@AnxiousFrenchFries when you have so little friends that you owe everyone else friends

[@atomictransfusion]

btw the automod bot for revolt also has discord bridge functionality

[@mohamad20zx34]

that's a really good video for nerds like some my friends

[@Lucy_chan]

what browser you use? I love those expanding tab groups

[@lanceuppercut_]

It's just Google Chrome, the tab groups are a new feature that not many people know about

[@HollowHiki]

@@lanceuppercut_ If only there was something like that for Firefox. Been searching for the past few days, but sadly nothing comes close.

[@Black_Cyber]

that F Lightmode switch, killed my eyes like a flashbang... ouch

[@lopikss]

9:14 thats more then 8MB (the maximum for non nirtro users) so thats a good feature

[@Spiderfffun]

from what i can tell other instances work better with element than revolt because you can use your account to access rooms on different hosts i think

[@cupids24th]

Everyone wake up No text to speech posted !😍

[@Roki_100]

21:49 there actyally are custom themes but its an experimental feature afaik, not so user friendly but its there

[@user-leet37598]

Element kinda seems like a combination of Discord and Telegram... interesting

[@Nellysa]

Me, on the year of the lord 2023, still trying to et my irl friends to use use discord: nice, more options!

[@alliosys]

Matrix, the platform that makes IRC users annoyed 24/7

[@Benjie56]

and xmpp...