NERDY PRUDES MUST DIE Reaction | New Starkid - Ep. 53 of Musicals I Know Nothing About

[@Barbara2.0]

3 THINGS: 1 - RUTH BISEXUAL QUEEEEN!!! 2 - Should I do a Hatchetfield Livestream so we can discuss our theories and Nerdy Prudes? Reply to this if you're game! 3 - Sorry for the helicopter sounds throughout the video, didn't think my new mic would be as powerful as Grace Chastity

[@ItsnotKrungleBro]

Yesss, I’m so down for a livestream!!

[@djwilson1993]

Y E S

[@KingQueerio]

YES PLEASE! I have so many theories I’d love to share!

[@hannat796]

Always ready for your livestreams!

[@jeffpunzel7862]

YESS

[@elizabethk007]

I love how every time Grace physically appears in the Hatchetfiled series she ends up “saving” the day but the rest of the characters have to deal with the consequences.

[@Barbara2.0]

THIS. It's saving, but at what cost?

[@Arkatox]

I feel like every time she saves the day while also becoming a villain. 🤣

[@TehCakeIzALie1]

If by 'save' you mean 'take over as the bad guy' then absolutely!

[@cosmicafflictions4970]

​@@TehCakeIzALie1Grace really said "under new management"

[@evertime123]

Grace: We have come to save you, FROM *YOURSELVES*

[@DiabeticDivine]

I love that the existence of the Black Altars imply that the meteor landing in Hatchetfield in The Guy Who Didn't Like Musicals wasn't just random chance, but the production of Mama Mia performing in the Starlight Theater accidentally triggered a spell.

[@Schnipps]

And the other one being in the Shopping Mall where Black Friday happened. So something in there triggered that one.

[@DiabeticDivine]

@@Schnipps Most likely Uncle Willy's machinations after joining the Lords in Black. Though the mall was more so important for casting a spell to let Wiggly into that dimension

[@killerkitty100mobile8]

I’m pretty sure poki did that without a spell I think it’s more that the black alters are just were the lords in black just have the most power Side note: that meteor seems to exist in every timeline because it was referenced in yellow jacket

[@TheBriHappy3]

I also like that you can view it as a cannon event in the Hatchetfield lore, or as a stand alone story. It's genius.

[@calliemyersbuchanan6458]

@@killerkitty100mobile8 while the space ooze was mentioned in yellow jacket, it wasn't mentioned as a meteor that ever hit hatchetfield. they said a scientist brought it back from a space expedition. so in that timeline poki didn't need to hitch a ride on the meteor because a human hand delivered him

[@blueskiesandstarrynights]

"this ending's too happy, this doesn't feel right" so real Barbara you're catching on

[@samwitherington4386]

Honestly, Max buying the prank and choosing that moment to stand up for his fears, making him think this was a really nice thing done for him by the nerds was the hardest I've laughed in a while. At the very least, top 5 Starkid jokes. Honourable mention to "You don't say" "You don't say", "What is it dad?", "They didn't say". That made me laugh more than it probably should have.

[@Barbara2.0]

The "you don't say" joke was one of my favourites 😂

[@TheHedgehogGiraffe]

Tbh that moment in the show where Max thinks it’s actually a nice thing they were trying to do for him is kind of heartbreaking for me. The way he smiles at them is actually really sweet and kind of punches you in the face that yeah, he’s a “literal monster,” but this is a teenage boy. He’s a kid. And then he falls and immediately reverts back into absolute rage and it’s just really sad to see 😭

[@ApequH]

The "you don't say" is perfect

[@Vekcrazah]

​@@TheHedgehogGiraffewhile bullying is never condoned and sadly his existence WAS misery for the rest, that scene did mean he WAS capable of change. Change brutally robbed from him after learning the true nature of the "_prank_" and eventually leading him to haunt them. Alternatively, it might have been the spirits from the altar speaking for him. Maybe he really did have a shot at redemption before being overcome by the dark magics of hatchetfield.

[@KingQueerio]

I don’t think many people catch this but in High School Is Killing Me Grace is the only one who covers her mouth when they say “I’m so fvcking dead” because she doesn’t swear 😊

[@MayvaAva]

And she does it every time, it’s such a fun attention to detail, and this musical is full of that kinda stuff

[@lilac_reed]

Also on the wolves line she makes the cross motion over her chest

[@viking-astronaut]

You can type fucking this isnt tiktok

[@ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777]

Finally~ I commented this somewhere else too! So glad its getting noticed because its pretty clever of them to keep the character subtly consistent during a pretty hype song. 😂

[@ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777]

​@@MayvaAva I like how they changed Pete's TGWDLM line into: "Ive been waiting for what feels like 5 f*ckin years, and I still don't have my goddam hot chocolate." because its funnier when you realize TGWDLM debuted 5 years ago. 😂

[@wannabeellewoods8570]

Fun fact: Will Branner (Max) is on Broadway right now in Back to the Future the Musical

[@concettasorvillo3719]

Not surprised at all, he is amazing!

[@lilac_reed]

WHAT

[@wannabeellewoods8570]

@@lilac_reed yeah he’s in the ensemble!

[@heatherrockwell9012]

I got to meet him at the stage door! He was very nice, and appreciated someone recognizing him from this show. Also, in BTTF he's one of Biff's minions, so he's playing essentially the exact same character. Plus he's in 3D glasses the entire show, which as far as I can tell is for the purpose of a single scene that's a giant Heathers homage. Good show, and a very fun performance.

[@IdontKnow-km7tf]

Sorry to burst the 3d glasses bubble but thats just the character. Westend has the same costume (and I think in the movie too)

[@liluziintrovert]

They’re called the Lords in black because the realm they inhabit is called the Black, and I believe they’re out of the worlds. Like each hatchetfield piece of media are their own timelines but the Lord in Black are outside of the timelines . Like in Black Friday The Emma in that is different than the Emma in NPMD, but Wiggly is the same

[@TheNitpickChick]

Exactly! 😊 The Lords in Black and Webby (a Queen in White) exist in the Black and White, which General MacNamara in Black Friday described as being “outside of all dimensions.” So, in each Hatchetfield timeline, it’s always the same Webby and the same Lords in Black, experiencing and seeing all of the timelines. But the citizens of Hatchetfield are limited to their individual dimensions and timelines, meaning there’s countless different versions of all of them. Only Hannah is able to see into alternate timelines and dimensions, and Lex is able to “reach through the Black and White”, but even then, neither of them seem to be able to influence anything outside of their own timelines. At least, as far as we know.

[@UranusHz420]

@@TheNitpickChickthank you for an excellent explanation. It’s quite a world that Nick and Matt have written into existence.

[@blueskiesandstarrynights]

I think the difference between the Petes is the setting. In npmd he's surrounded by the social hierarchy so he's more nervous and less confident, whereas in abstinence camp he's less worried abt what other think of him

[@Barbara2.0]

Very good point, my friend

[@Bidnikovka]

Yeah. And also, at the end of NPMD he is surely more confident because of things that happened and because of Steph.

[@cheese3123]

ruth's just for once song is kinda playing into their on-running gag that every hatchetfield musical has a "show within a show" (workin boys in tgwdlm, santa claus is going to high school in black friday), because she's singing both about the barbecue monologues but also obviously her own life! and if youre wondering why it sounds so different to the rest im pretty sure jeff said himself its inspired by falsettos !!

[@birdbird8364]

Grace is so iconic, she experienced sexual attraction One time and immediately decided she had to ruin this man's whole entire life- she might have saved the day in the end, (...sort of, lol). But. She was also low-key the reason the day needed in the first place. Max was 100% justified in being obsessed with her

[@crispyliza7050]

Female Frollo fr

[@agataowl-cat4194]

​@@crispyliza7050jajaj i think the same

[@SailorDoom21]

I mean Ruth’s song is 100% about being young enough to pursue your dreams but feeling incapable due to anxiety and other such obstacles and therefore being like 18 and already feeling like you’ve wasted your potential, yeah?

[@robwilliamson5082]

Jon sounds sooo good in this. We sounded good at the end of TGWDLM and his parts in Black Friday sounded good but you can tell he’s been working on his voice, he sounds great. Also I’m glad you appreciated Angela’s acting range, I knew you would. Ruth’s song all for once gives me Chorus line meets a dash of Sondheim vibes.

[@Barbara2.0]

Soooooo true!!

[@gr1mreap3rz15]

i literally gasped at that first high note in the opener, and i think of him and will's back and forth Every Day. his voice is so beautiful, i'm so glad he gets to show it off here :D

[@jaden0096]

I really hope we get more Will Branner in Starkid. He stole the show every time he was on stage.

[@JesusOfPaign]

Honestly. Me and my buddy were watching the show and thought “Oh, it’s a stereotypical bully character”. And then after maybe his second scene I said “…so is he actually the best character in this whole show?”. And then when he died I was like “I already miss him, I hope he comes back soon”.

[@alexandersean4708]

Hatchet Town is VERY different on the album, the cameos were added for the proshot. On the album, they accuse Dan instead of Ziggs, Officer Bailey instead of The Man In A Hurry, Karen instead of Charlie, and the Jerrys instead of Gerald, which is how I assume it was live.

[@thatgaiagirl6788]

You are correct (watched the digital ticket), Jon’s character was revealed to be boy Jerry at the end and the crowd gasped it was very fun

[@kerahbundy5705]

​​@thatgaiagirl6788 Can you remind me who boy Jerry and Charles are? I've watched all the stuff, but I can't remember at the moment.

[@Bang3137]

​@@kerahbundy5705Both are from Nightmare Time 2. Boy Jerry and Girl Jerri are the pair who run Camp Idonwannabang in Abstinence Camp. You may remember their blue and pink "Virginity Rocks" t-shirts. Charles is the individual who runs the super powered kid fighting ring hidden at the closed roller rink (and who had control of Otho via an explosive in his head) in Yellow Jacket.

[@kerahbundy5705]

@@Bang3137 Ohh yeah! I remember now, thanks!

[@thatgaiagirl6788]

@@kerahbundy5705 boy Jerry and girl Jerri (played by Jon and Kim) were the counsellors at Abstinence Camp, and Charles/Charlie was the human antagonist of Yellow Jacket who controlled Otho (played by James)

[@cheese3123]

i think you realised this but the lords in black basically exist out of all the timelines - thats why tinky mentions a spankoffski in his toy box, and pokey sings "what do you want steph" referencing tgwdlm since hes the one that caused it. pete steph and grace arent the first ones to have summoned the lords in black in this timeline either, solomon implies he did something with the book since he knows who they are and that hes "never touching" that book again also fun fact, abstinence camp was initially meant to be a sequel to npmd !! i think it was supposed to be called horny campers must die. they had to change around the order bc of covid and everything

[@wonderingstar4266]

One live show audience did get Best of You as the ending because the power kept going out and they couldn't perform Dirty Dudes Must Die. Nick describes it as 'the good ending'

[@avaleelong]

Fun fact: the hatchet town cameos were all originally parts of the cast. Ziggy with Reynolds, Barry with Bailey, Charles with Karen, and Gerald with boy Jerry!

[@XanderHarris1023]

It was girl Jerri, that dirty girl.

[@daniellins4114]

What? I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying

[@junegeeitisahardgfulmer7911]

@daniellins4114 The cameos in the KZbin version were added in editing. For the live show, the digital ticket, and the soundtrack, the people being accused were Reynolds, Bailey, Karen, and Jerry, is what they mean.

[@daniellins4114]

@@junegeeitisahardgfulmer7911 ahhh, gotcha… who are those again? 😅

[@junegeeitisahardgfulmer7911]

@@daniellins4114 Not sure if you mean the original characters or the cameo characters, but the original ones being accused were: Reynolds-mustachioed reporter. Bailey: Cop. Karen-Grace’s mother. Boy Jerry-Camp counselor in yellow sweater.

[@alexerson2226]

46:50 Laura Bailey (Mainly a voiceactor in videogames) has said that she knows she's got a voice fully down once she's able to sing in it around the house! It's definitely something special and takes a lot of effort, it's insane!

[@latayantheazran]

Jeager means hunter in german, so Max Jeagerman (Max for maximum, from latin maximus, meaning "the biggest") literally means "The greatest hunter-man." So yeah, even his name plays into the "literal monster" and "apex predator" thing. That surname is totally on purpose.

[@abydosianchulac2]

1:06:12 _Such_ a clever lyric I just noticed: Pete responding to being told Steph loves him with "I know" is a The Empire Strikes Back reference. They stuffed the nerd content everywhere they could.

[@maryjbooks13]

apparently he's 'sparkly' cause the plastic they (the nerds) wrapped around his body is sticking to his ghost and it's reflecting the light

[@sanityisrelative]

For that second to last song, The Best Of You, it was initially meant to be diegetic and it was supposed to be a band playing at the Homecoming dance and everyone knew the words. It really gives you tonal whiplash listening to the album since it follows DIRECTLY after the heartbreak that is Cool As I Think I Am (Reprise).

[@TiaMat99]

Canonically, The Best of You is a Needy Beast song (the band from Killer Track)! Apparently they're a one hit wonder.

[@sanityisrelative]

@@TiaMat99 that was it! I could not for the life of me remember the name.

[@TiaMat99]

@@sanityisrelative Miss Holloway has that effect on people

[@wompadillœ]

Oh that makes _so_ much sense, thank you for sharing this info! I liked the song well enough before but didn’t feel that it quite fit, but now it’s perfect! It totally changes how I view that scene, I actually find it adorable now. They’re having fun and singing along with the band playing at their Homecoming, I love them 🥺

[@JesusOfPaign]

Honestly, I think they should’ve just cut that whole number. It’s such a nothing song, it kinda feels like a placeholder or rough draft. Like “we’ll just put a generic disney channel pop rock anthem here, and then later we can write something that has lyrics or musicality or jokes or something” and then they just forgot to do that 😂

[@koalarm]

The Summoning was perfect, everything I didn't know I needed and then some. The Lords in Black were all having a lot of fun with the performance. You start out knowing Richie is going to be toast, and they leave it just long enough for you to forget. And then, boom, Max comes swaggering in. Hatchet Town is the one that won't get out of my head, I love the cameos.

[@jonmatteson]

This was such an awesome commentary on Hatchetfield and on the show! 🎉❤

[@Barbara2.0]

Genuinely have the best time trying to figure out Starkid shows, always

[@snowysnowwish]

oh hey jon!

[@brotherkhrayn3525]

Hi Jon!

[@KingQueerio]

It had been confirmed by Nick Lang that Nerdy Prudes was actually the first musical written in the Hatchetfield universe so it actually comes first in the timeline before TGWDLM and Black Friday but Nick said TWGDLM was the easiest to write and produce at the time in 2018. that is why in TGWDLM Bill references Grace Chastity in the line "and then I am defending Grace Chastity of all people" and then in Black Friday Tom Houston mention Grace was supposed to babysit Tim but she was out and couldn't make it so Paul and Emma had to make it (I could literally spend hours on this topic I love talking about this stuff!

[@underscorebrady]

abbie mary (the person who runs the starkid wiki) posted a two hour long deep dive of all the hatchetfield lore and how the timelines all fit together!! definitely recommend!!

[@captainslance]

I love all the cameos during Hatchet Town but there is just something so funny about Joey’s delivery of “I certainly don’t LOVE killing” in the live show/digital ticket version since there only the people on stage were accused lol Although serves him right for trying to throw Donna under the bus 😂

[@turnipcrazy]

I miss them accusing Jerry of being a murderer, because of how he brings back calling girl Jerri a dirty girl. I don't feel like Gerald's response is that funny

[@AlexanderWandering]

See, the cameos just made me angry, lol. You mean Jae, Jeff, and Dylan were there and that's all we get of them?

[@TiaMat99]

@@AlexanderWandering they WEREN'T there. They were filmed separately and then edited in later. The stage show didn't include them. They tried to edit everyone in who was in NMT. Jaime was supposed to show up as Charlotte but she really couldn't make it to film.

[@AlexanderWandering]

@@TiaMat99 Ah, makes me feel a bit better, lol

[@TiaMat99]

@@AlexanderWandering if you want to see the song version as it was on stage, I put it on my channel

[@TiaMat99]

1. YES to a livestream! 2. Grace doesn't summon the LiB every time, this is just a separate timeline. The current theory is that an event in 2005 caused the timeline to split. It probably revolves around Miss Holloway fighting Wilbur Cross (Uncle Wiley) and maybe this is the incident that killed Duke's father. But yeah, everything happens in different timelines, except Nightmare Time season 2, which is all centered around the Honey Festival. 3. We probably should've warned you to reset your expectations watching this so shortly after Killer Track and Yellow Jacket... those are very lore heavy dramas and this... is different. More like Abstinence Camp. I went into NPMD fully expecting Duke, Miss Holloway and MacNamara and I HATED NPMD the first time I watched. Since I rewatched it with reset expectations and I love it. 4. Sorry about the soup comments. 5. The digital ticket shows the full choreography (which Lauren did!) for the Summoning. This version does NOT do it justice. Every Lord has a specific dance move, which then cycles around. So Wiggly waves his arms in and out, Nibbly licks the lollipop, Tinky sweeps back and forth etc. Every move corresponds to their personal appearance or power. Then, they cycle through the dance moves... Wiggly's move goes to Pokey, then Blinky, then Nibbly, then Tinky. The others' moves rotate similarly. Know why that is cool? Because if you trace the moves... you draw a pentagram. 'We dance around the pentagram' literally. Lauren is a freaking genius. 6. I put the digital ticket version of the Summoning on my channel if you want to see the wide shots! [edit: Digital ticket is still for sale, so I took it down!]

[@unclewiley1986]

Do you have the DT version of Hatchet Town by any chance?

[@TiaMat99]

@@unclewiley1986 Yep, it's going up [edit: Digital ticket is still for sale, so I took it down!]

[@enchanted_inventory882]

Yeah i heard the timeline splitting could have also been because of hannahs birth? I've heard that from a few people but yeah it also makes sense to be a miss holloway point or something

[@adamdavis1648]

​@enchanted_inventory882 If I remember correctly, there's a line in The Witch In The Web where Wiley says something like "everything shattered when she came along."

[@TiaMat99]

ooooh good catch! Yes, that would make a lot of sense! @@enchanted_inventory882

[@DeadBedOfficial]

Nerdy Prudes Must Die was written in like 2018 or something, abstinence camp was originally supposed to be a sequel (originally called dirty campers must die or something) but it got changed into a nightmare time story Edit: realised you didn’t include the cameo of Ziggy in the song Hatchet Town because you still haven’t watched Perky’s Buds

[@shibahacking]

nerdy prudes isnt a prequel, but just another alternate universe - as far as we know, Nightmare Time 2 is the only instance where all the stories exist in one continuous timeline instead of being detached from each other. some of the constants in every single hatchetfield story are things like tom's wife dying, and ted becoming the homeless man. happens no matter what. as for grace being the catalyst for summoning the lords of black - i didnt really read it as her being the reason why all this other stuff can happen, i think the lords in black have always looming around waiting for the perfect moment to cause chaos and just chose grace as their newest follower or whatever but i'm really interested in what you think about all this, so i'd be down for a livestream!

[@amdete8254]

15:13 I saw a headcannon that the reason for the personality change (aside from him being in school now and not outside of it) is because this is one of the timelines where Ted has already gone missing, so Pete doesn’t have him to influence his behavior anymore.

[@Jefferson_starkid]

idk why but "oh no There's a whole song about the soup??!!!" SENT me

[@UranusHz420]

Ruth’s BBQ Monologue is so sad. Poor girl’s dream is of a future where’s she’s a middle aged cancer survivor in a loveless marriage. Also: Richie and Grace died so Paul and Emma could make a cameo.

[@dragonflyace]

I got to watch the digital ticket and I can confirm that Will Branner (Max) sounded just as amazing live as he does in the recording.

[@pomme1636]

on the invoking thing I don't think the summoning is what brings the lords in black in Hatchetfield in every universe, it's juste one of the ways you can access their power through the book, like how ms Holloway borrows tinky's power in killer track to mess with time. grace Pete and steph aren't the only ones that have done the summoning anyway since the church used to use the book. Imo the lords are always here in the black and white, trying to mess with Hatchetfield

[@AlexanderWandering]

The one thing I caught (correct me if I'm wrong) is that the beginning of the show mentions Ricky being found after the "Jaegerman boy" but then when they're being questioned by the cops, the cops find Max's body after Ricky.

[@risottopose9970]

I suppose they could mean his disappearance but yeah good catch

[@cleverlilvixen]

No, Max’s body was found when the house sold, which was before the police questioning, but must’ve happened right before (same morning?) Ritchie was found (to make the timeline work…)

[@corinneeaglebridge]

@@cleverlilvixenShapiro and Bailey are in both scenes though. They mentioned Max in the first scene but then heard about it during the interrogation about Richie. My guess is that they’re alluding to the *disappearance* of Max in that first scene, but it’s very vaguely worded.

[@junegeeitisahardgfulmer7911]

Yeah, I’m just assuming they mean the disappearance, because I feel like they probably would have caught it if it were a continuity error.

[@laurencole2937]

Yeah they are definitely talking about his disappearance. That's where we first get the line about people disappearing in Hatchetfield all the time.

[@solrachernandez3389]

The lords in Black are single entities the events of the other musicals and nightmare time happened

[@QuikVidGuy]

I love how "Who do I think I am?" as a question also moves from "Why get my hopes up? I'm not special," to "Who do I want to be, and what am I going to do about it?"

[@QuikVidGuy]

I wonder if Grace is just Like That, or if she was corrupted by being the one to deliver Max to the Lords in Black

[@blueskiesandstarrynights]

Gonna provide some context here- each story in hatchetfield is it's own timeline (barring nmt2 in which all the stories are one timeline). Each timeline resets back to 2005, and since time bastard takes place in 2004, the homeless man is in every time line, and tinky has his soul in every timeline, so he's always looking to complete his Spankoffski collection. Of you have any other timeline questions I would love to answer I'm obsessed with the hatchetfield lore!

[@vvgirl6173]

Joey is wearing his old costume from A Very Potter Musical from the Yule Ball as his ghost costume~

[@Bidnikovka]

No way! 😮

[@vvgirl6173]

@Bidnikovka yes way XD I'm surprised that they still had it XD

[@Barbara2.0]

That's so cool!!!

[@anobservatory4227]

After reading some comments from the original video I came across an interesting way of looking at the Hatchetfield series and the Lords in Black. To the LiB this is all a massive game to see who can take over the world, with each of them having some differences in how they define winning. Wiggly wants to go to a timeline and remake it in his image, Pokey wants everyone to be like him and under his control, Blinky just wants to watch humans squirm and scream, Tinky wants to collect the toys he thinks are fun, and Nibbly just wants to eat his favorite foods. And once they've destroyed a timeline to the point of it not being fun anymore they'll just toss it in the figurative trashcan and turn they're attention to the next.

[@doubledamn2599]

I always felt like the Hatchetfields we see through the musicals and Nightmare Time are the Lords in Black basically swapping stories on how they overtook an Earth (Pokotho's winning on non-violent takeovers, while Wiggog Y'wrath is leading in collateral damage), with The Apple moment from Black Friday implying that the Audience exists within the Black and White.

[@margaridatorres1273]

I'm laughing so much at your reaction finding the soup context 😂😂😂

[@Barbara2.0]

Never eating soup again

[@margaridatorres1273]

@@Barbara2.0 oh nooo :(

[@BrittanyArtPoetry]

Notice all the locations they mentioned? We had the starlight theatre (the guy who didn’t like musicals) The mall (Black Friday) The school (nerdy prudes must die) And the hatchet field gazette which I’m betting is going to be the next musical we see, and if so I am here for it!

[@RobertDPore]

As the son of newspaper reporters I would actually love to see this.

[@evertime123]

@@RobertDPorethe gazette became the building where Paul worked

[@Okay_Is_Wonderful]

If you watch Forever & Always/Time Bastard, the Hatchetfield Gazette building becomes the CCRP office

[@Nobody-707]

Thats four locations but theres 5 lords so are we missing some place?

[@GreetingsFineCitizen]

You can’t end off a Hatchetfield musical without the looming threat of the destruction of civilization. TGWDLM: An infectious alien disease that will spread throughout the Earth at unmatched speeds Black Friday: World War III, a nuclear war that will likely wipe out all of humanity NPMD: GRACE FUCKING CHASTITY

[@fightingfaerie]

That’s exactly how I feel about Joey as Pete. I watched this first. Realized I was missing context/references because I never finished NMT. So I went and watched them all. And I have to agree I think I like Nick’s Pete more. I had the exact same thought, that Nick feels more like an actual nerd who is also confident in who he is, which then makes Steph think he’s actually pretty cool and like him. I can see glimpses of it in Joey, but Nick just embodies him more. Joey is always great and his Pete is still very likable, but there’s almost more suspension of belief that he’s a “loser” and Steph could have just thought he was cute. Nick actually looks like a dork, which makes their relationship cuter because she falls in love with who he is.

[@justanerd9719]

1:01:36 No. These events all take place at the same time: Nightmare Time 1&2, TGWDLM, and Black Friday all operate simultaneously, but in parallel universes. There are certain events that will always occur (such as Paul ad Emma meeting, Steph and Pete, Hatchetfield being royally screwed, and at least one Lord in Black making their will known). Same times, different universes. This is just the first time that we see all 5 lords present with no sign of Webby.

[@risottopose9970]

It’s unfortunate that Barbara missed Perky’s Buds because she missed the Zig Easter egg in the Hatchet Town song (also the Axeman mentions but I care more about Zig)

[@KingQueerio]

They are called the Lords In Black because they reside in the Black part of what is know as The Black and White Wiggly is the leader of the lords! That’s why we see him the most in other shows and NMT 😊

[@xpoeticdreamz]

Jeff really is amazing at composing and lyrics. Love it!

[@junegeeitisahardgfulmer7911]

Your StarKid, and especially Hatchetfield reactions ALWAYS put a smile on my face. I watched your livestream playback, since I couldn’t be there, and I’ll always look forward to what you do.

[@gavino0077]

fun fact: The cameos during "Hatchet Town" were made for the pro-shot the original song/showing instead uses the 7 characters in the song: Bryce's bystander Boy Jerri (Jon) Mayor Lauter (Corey) Ms. Chastity (Kim) Officer Bailey (Curt) Donna (Lauren) Don (Joey)

[@anantkerur557]

Soeaking of musicals featuring eldritch gods, I would really recommend checking out Rockabye the Musical It's a musical written by an extremely promising writer, and an official video recording AND cast recording are already up!

[@scroobl]

I love Rockabye!

[@Bidnikovka]

Everybody in this is just great. I especially like Joey as Pete, Angela as Grace and Jon as Wiggly. Acting of them is so perfect. And i must mention, that scale of Joey’s roles is insane for me! Ted Spankoffski, Wilbur, Ezekiel, Ethan, Bug, Ron, Owen from SAF etc… And now Pete Spankoffski. And again he can perform this role so differently and unlike others roles. Mimics, gestures... He is amazing. And scale of performed emotions in 'Cool As I Think I Am Reprise'? Wow, goosebumbs. Totally awesome!

[@EmyLovett]

I feel like its coming round circle when we were first introduced to this series by everyone singing about a Guy Who Didn’t Like Musicals without him even in the opening number until the very end. Now, we have Jon starting this one with, "I'm dead..." He's come so far! Also, love LOVE the Hatchet Town song and especially The Summoning! Finally coming all together! I actually rewatched the Nightmare Time series after this came out and it's pretty cool to see how everything comes together! I'm not sure if there's more Hatchetfield content coming, but if there is, I think it would be epic to have these big characters that have been introduced in this entire series join together to take down the Lords in Black for good, Avengers style!

[@sapphirespeedster6466]

They have plans for Nightmare Time 3, but they have stated that the next musical they do will not be Hatchetfield. IIRC, Nick and Matt also said that this was never intended as a trilogy, but rather something they can add on to. So, they may do more, it just won't be for a while. They also have a murder-mystery type story in their plans about the Starlight (forgot their names and haven't seen NMT yet, but I believe that's what the name started with).

[@noplace3571]

I've literally just realised that Grace's entire summary of the Whalen house - human sacrifices, demonic rituals, and sex magic - literally describes the progression of the musical from the point they set foot in the house to the end. Idk, it's a nice bit of subtle foreshadowing

[@P-man_XD]

Jägerman's death (human sacrifice) The Summoning of The Lords In Black (demonic rituals) "Holy cow! They're doing it! Grace is having sex with a fucking ghost!" (Sex magic)

[@JesusOfPaign]

Yessssssssssss. Been waiting for this since the musical came out. I seriously cannot believe how good some of these songs are. The earwormiest of earwormy tunes that they’ve ever written. Nerdy Prudes Must Die? Hatchet Town? The Summoning?? Soooo god damn good. And “High School is Killing Me” has been stuck in my head since I first heard it a week ago. I also can’t believe how good the harmonies sound. I wanna know what sort of audio production is going on, like if they’re mixing in any sort of studio vocals, or comping multiple recordings, or whatever magic they did to get those harmonies to sound so downright _creamy_ Also, Ruth is lowkey the funniest character in this whole show. Nerd stereotypes like Pete and Richie are great, but idk, the “horny nerd” character just feels so much truer to real life and to the high school experience, which makes it so much funnier 😂 and I’m obsessed with the way that Max says the word “skeleton”. “I’m so fucking scared of skele’uns!” Oh, one more thing. I will say, the Barbecue Monologues/Ruth’s song section did feel a little out of place and like it was necessary. BUT, on rewatch, I really do like it 😂, so i wouldn’t want it removed for the sake of pacing. I just don’t think I completely _get_ what the point of the song and monologue was. The “I used to dance” line does hit me as sad, but I’m not sure what the rest of the song is really about, and what it is really saying about Ruth. Black Friday and Nerdy Prudes aren’t as well-paced as TGWDLM (the pacing and comedic timing/writing is phenomenal), but when I look at them there aren’t any scenes/songs that I would sacrifice for the sake of pacing. So I’ll take the less-than-perfect pacing if the alternative would be losing a song or a whole scene. Edit: Came back to say that I feel like they could’ve cut that weird pop-punk-y song at the end. I’m not even sure exactly why it’s in the show? My guess would be that it’s to sort of mirror/bookend “High School is Killing Me”, which sounded like a song you’d have at the beginning of an 80’s teen movie. And “Best of You” sounds like the type of song a 90’s or 00’s teen movie would roll credits on. But beyond that, it’s not even a particularly _good_ song; there’s just nothing going on musically or lyrically. The only purpose it serves is as a fake-out closing number, before they have that twist title number reprise. I think the show would be better without it, which is funny, because it’s the closest song to the kind of music I listen to normally 😂

[@Barbara2.0]

"Skele'un" is how I'm saying it from now on

[@cleverlilvixen]

Just my interpretation but, I think the point of the BBQ monologues was supposed to be presenting the absurdity of casting high schoolers in roles written for 40 year olds (a point underlined when your cast of “high schoolers” look more like legitimate casting choices for the spoof, or possibly undercut ).. I still thought it was funny, but I did a lot of high school drama 😂

[@genericname2747]

I really don't like the Barbaque Monologue. I think the joke of having a completely random song from a fictional musical is getting overdone.

[@junegeeitisahardgfulmer7911]

They did actually splice in the studio recordings for some of the audio, yeah.

[@JesusOfPaign]

@@genericname2747I loved it in Black Friday with the “Santa Claus Goes to High School” song. Firstly, because it was a banger, but also because unless you remembered them mentioning the movie earlier in the show, you were just completely confused until it’s revealed that it’s a movie, and then it’s hilarious. The Barbecue Monologue bit and song isn’t as funny, nor is it as bangerific. And it’s probably the only part of the musical that felt kinda slow. When I was watching it with my buddy, during the scene I was thinking “this is starting to drag a tiny bit”, and like five seconds later my friend was like “Okay, this scene feels like it’s going on too long”. BUT, they did need to give Ruth some solo time in order to give us a chance to get to know her better, and make us actually care that she dies. And while I think that scene is the biggest flaw when it comes to pacing, I wouldn’t want to get rid of it, because I like it 😂 and I’d be sad if it were gone. It’s funny, charming, a little bit sad, and the song is still pretty solid. In my opinion, most Starkid musicals’ pacing is kinda mid? Aside from TGWDLM (which is as impressive in its pacing as it is in its comedic timing), Starkid shows tend to drag in at least one place, which means the show suffers on first watch-or to non-starkid-fans. The trade off, however, is that there’s so much more show to love on rewatch and -listen, and pacing doesn’t matter as much when you already know the entire show.

[@Al_-cf1dj]

I really liked this musical and I also feel like the production of the music got cleaner/ a little better. Not that it was bad beforehand but it went from good to great. Also, completely unrelated, but I totally recommend both "The Mad Ones" and "Epic" (about the Odyssey) which has two rather short albums but is still in the process of being written

[@Barbara2.0]

The Mad Ones is coming ;)

[@Al_-cf1dj]

​@@Barbara2.0:D it's one of my absolute favourites, looking forward to it :))

[@chloerose9938]

Angela and Lauren have such incredible range, but they are all so amazing

[@arualstarr]

I love these musicals, especially since they've set up this multi-verse/alternate timeline iterations of the same characters. At this point we know who we're getting and generally where it's going, its just guessing how they get there! What a journey.

[@jessk1683]

it's funny, because tgwdlm was released in 2018 so peter actually has been waiting five years for his hot chocolate

[@Barbara2.0]

I love this hahahaha

[@simonsonian8977]

1:02:00 Sadly, no, this is not the origin story. NPMD takes place in 2020, Black Friday takes place 2019, and TGWDLM in 2018. NPMD wasn’t even originally going to have the Lords In Black in it. Also, they’re called the Lords In Black because they are physically inside the Black. As in the Black And White.

[@just_peachy3582]

Ok so there is always a crazy incident in hatchfield surrounding the lords in black in every dimension but that’s not when they’re summoned. The lords in black are always there. If we want a definitive first encounter with the lords in black, that would be the witch from the witch in the web. She was the first person in hatchetfield with “the gift” and she worshipped Wiggly. She was the one who wrote the Black Book. This was roughly 100 or something years ago. Side note, the lords in black are the lords in black because they’re webby’s brothers and her opposites, and she’s represented by white. Hence the black. Anyway, the timeline splits in 2005, so everything that happened beforehand has happened in every timeline. Hence why we see the homeless man in every timeline or he exists in every timeline. Since in that one timeline Ted went back to 2004, before the split, so even if he only time traveled in one dimension, it affected the others as well since he time traveled to before the time divergence. That’s also why Jane has always died in a car crash and Hannah is always born and with powers. And why she’s so powerful. It’s believed she was born during the time split which is why she can sense what happens in all the dimensions. I could get into all the hatchet field lore lol but basically everything happens in different timeline except for time bastard and forever and always. Those two episodes happen in the same timeline. And the entirety of nightmare time 2 happens in the same timeline. But everything else happens in different time lines. Hatchetfield is destined for crazy shit to happen though, no matter what timeline

[@EricWalker-p7e]

“Time Bastard happened before this?” Time Bastard happened before AND after this. Because, you know, time travel.

[@krissmith800]

Livestream is a yes. Remember not only does Grace harness this power, but she also controls Lumber Axe in Abstinence Camp. Which begs the question, how would he react knowing she fornicated or does it even count since Max was a ghost? 🤔

[@elizabethk007]

I thought this musical and Abstinence Camp were alternate timelines? So they aren’t the exact same person. Abstinence Camp Grace never had any urges while NPMD Grace made “dirty soup” (something Lumber Axe would definitely kill someone for)

[@krissmith800]

@@elizabethk007 I know. I was just thinking hypothetically.

[@dhubu_dhubu]

I think as long as it wasn't in Lumber Axe's sacred forest then she's good

[@krissmith800]

@@dhubu_dhubu It was just a weird thought is all.

[@jazzmakingstuff5213]

the video was edited by nick lang and curt mega! they did great, right? and the reason the songs sound so good is because they blended a mix of live and studio performance (the only thing i didn't like about that is that you don't get to hear the audience losing their minds throughout dirty girl lmao. watching everyone spam soup in the nmt livechat while knowing exactly what you were in for was hilarious btw sorry) oh and icymi, starkid made a workin boys short film, and it's only available to watch until halloween. it is very good! and very A Lot!

[@MrSmile078]

My theory base on McNamara description of The black and white as the space between universes, is that the Lord’s in Black live outside the timelines and are the same characters affecting different versions of hatchetfield, so yes there’s a version of Ted trap in the toybox but is not the same Ted that probably still lives in this hatchetfield, also the Lords in Black being the same characters explain why some things are always canon their cult is multiversal and a version of hatchetfield founding by the cult happened in every timeline. Why some people seem to fall for each other in every universe and have similar relationships is unclear but maybe love is multiversal too?

[@bethanyhitchen3989]

I loved The Summoning scene so much I started an appreciation thread on Reddit for it. I want to marry that song and have its little Lovecraftian babies 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@disguisedhamstergames8299]

My favourite part is in every Grace chastity story she always saves the day by discovering her taste for blood

[@kursedcurtain4791]

I love rewatching a musical with the perspective of someone who has never seen it before, but with you it is especially interesting because it is from the perspective of someone who has watched a loooooot of musicals ^^ The musical motifs that you notice are so fun, like when you realize max's villain song is a reinforcement of how bad he truly is :D

[@grassiehalls3922]

Been so excited to see your reaction to this ever since I first saw it in Feb and you did not disappoint! This is such a well done show, and I agree that the lighting was absolutely amazing!

[@HLGamez]

As far as the timeline goes, everything pre 2005 is one timeline, then after that point (assumed by many to be Hannah’s birth) the timelines split. The Lords in Black and Webby exist outside of this split so the Wiggly we see in Black Friday is the same one in this show. The current timelines we know of are Guy Who Didn’t Like Musicals, Black Friday, Nerdy Prudes and Nightmare Time Season 2. Nightmare Time Season 1 is unclear on which episodes are connected to which timelines so for now each episode is a separate timeline (except Forever and Always and Time Bastard which are explicitly confirmed as being one timeline)

[@alyssaaug8253]

YESSS!! IM SO EXCITED FOR THIS VIDEO!🫶🫶songs are all a bop

[@Barbara2.0]

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[@theawesomegamebox513]

CLICKED SO FUCKIN FAST OML Edit after watching it all: Loved your reaction (as usual!!) Glad you know the context for the soup now 😂

[@Bang3137]

Hi Barbara! I would totally be in for a Hatchetfield lore stream! If it helps, I actually have a detailed and color coded Excel document showing all the major events and all the timelines (that we know of), at keast as far as I can figure. It contains some spoilers for Workin' Boys, but I'd be happy to share to help you prepare for the stream. Also, as a note, the Lords in Black exist in the Black and White, which is a dimension outside of all timelines (though they can manipulate things in all of them). So all the Lords know everything that happens in every timeline, hence Tinky's Spankofski reference. The only other person with that knowledge and access is Hannah Foster due to her powers (though she hasn't learned to control and use that yet).

[@SuperBatSpider]

Grace Chastity would remind the teacher we have homework but we love her anyway.

[@pm3618]

The cultists had been in contact with the lords in black for a looooong time before the summoning! The mayor even says he made a deal of his own! I think they just want to see something funny if they’re not actively trying to take over that dimension. They scale their expectations to whoever is offering up the deal.

[@omt28]

how did you call the ending ten minutes into the video I was so impressed ahahah

[@Barbara2.0]

Trust me, me too. That was wild hahahaha

[@Arkatox]

My understanding is that the Lords in Black are constants in the multiverse. They exist in the Black and White, and interact with the different realities from there. Every time we see them it's the same version of the characters. They weren't directly summoned to this timeline, either. They were summoned in limited capacity as a communication ritual, and they appeared in human form to not "melt their minds." If they were fully summoned into the world, they would just invoke their full eldritch wraths and destroy the world. Instead, they have to use Grace as a (willing) vessel to do their will. Black Friday and TGWDLM both showcase the kind of effort it takes for one of them to fully infiltrate a reality. This was awesome to see a reaction from someone else knowledgeable about Hatchetfield lore! There are so many little easter eggs to catch. I'm excited for the future of the series, and just hope they're able to make all the stories they have planned. (Currently nothing else is greenlit.)

[@lonelyq_heart4189]

The Summoning is not the origin story, it’s just another timeline on which the LiB get involved somehow.

[@NuttersIncorporated]

Grace is not the master of the Lords in Black. She made a deal with them, gave up what she treasured most, got what she asked for in return and then immediately got corrupted and became their puppet. I don’t think Grace is the first one to summon the Lords in Black in this version of Hatchfield. The Waylon got their power from them, made deals with them and had the ritual to summon them in their book so they almost certain summoned them at some point. Steph’s dad used the book for something and probably made a deal with them too. Plus, the book has passed through a lot of people

[@sysi5521]

No-one told me i should watch the Nightmare times before this and boy i was confused. Now i have seen them all and nerdy prudes must die makes so much more sense and i like it so much more than i did the first time

[@lluviapacifica9601]

Well, the mayor mention he alredy use the book, and the cult was there before it was destroyed, so, probably that wasn't the first time in that universe that someone open the portal.

[@phinox123]

Just got into the hatchetfield stuff a few days ago and I'm loving it. It's great to see someone else's take.

[@djwilson1993]

20:54 “Oh no! The soup! The soup thing! No!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 We “warned” you

[@Barbara2.0]

Don't think you were generous enough with the quotation marks in """"""""warned"""""""""" hahahaha

[@rhiajayne669]

At first i thought the last song (before dirty dudes must die) was out of place until i realised that i think they were making a play on like, all the pop/cheesy songs that are played at a homecoming/prom. It really reminded me of that. Great video! Would love to see a video or limestream about your theories!

[@samirabdel-aziz478]

I was quite literally asked myself "hey, i wonder if that person will have responded to the new musical." And then you appeared. Love it

[@RonHeartsMe]

God I loved NPMD. I haven’t decided if I love it more than TGWDLM yet or not though. I actually really liked the music and I looooved the story and characters. Everything was so high quality! I love the Hatchetfield series so much! I absolutely think it’s the best thing Starkid has ever done.

[@maxmcmahon5401]

1:15:35 he’s in the ensemble of back to the future on broadway actually, covering the role of Biff (talk about typecasting)

[@c0rpsepuppy]

idk if anyone pointed it out, but to answer your question; max is super shiny because he was “taped up and doused with bleach”, the random fly away pieces are the ripped strips of tape they haphazardly wrapped him in and immediately ripped by chopping him up, and the shiny materials on his shirt and jacket that are more in place are the chemicals :]

[@JaelynMcgee]

Apparently Pokey, the Lord in Black played by Cory is responsible for the meteor from TGWDLM. I'm not sure if it's been addressed in nightmare time yet though

[@dmarti11235]

Finally found a few hours in the lull before exams to watch. I'm hooked! Also, as it turns out, singing Dirty Dudes Must Die is sufficient to draw weird looks, even in a music building at uni. Who knew? Anyway, enjoyed the vid as always, and congrats on 10k!!

[@codasinger5298]

As soon as the musical was released I started checking youtube for your reaction! Happy to see it is finally here!

[@Jason_Bryant]

I've enjoyed the running joke that everyone in Hatchetfield irrationally hates Clivesdale. This show gives it a point, the reason the school lets Max terrorize the other students is because nothing is more important than football. The teachers would let Max get away with anything if it meant beating the Chemists.

[@Jermbuf14]

The Ruth song is her singing a part from the barbecue monologues, because she wishes she was in it.

[@scribble1761]

Don’t think of it as them setting the lords in black free, think of it as them bringing them back after they’ve been gone for awhile.

[@julia3374]

People may have already mentioned it, but I saw someone explain that Max's jacket is sparkly to represent the plastic the gang wrapped him in after he died

[@margaridatorres1273]

About the songs, this is one of my favourite scores from Starkid. I actually prefer it to Black Friday

[@cheyannegiles9772]

Look. It's multiple timelines, everything happens in the year it was released except this one which happens in 2020 or 2021 because they can't make this show if the teens outage Hannah. (from what I've heard) This does not happen before everything else, just because they were summoned doesn't mean they weren't already there, this was just a bit where they could physically manifest, doesn't mean they couldn't influence before this.