Netflix PANICS. Fake Cleopatra Documentary Sparks Backlash | Asmongold Reacts

[@MaSTARMedia]

The problem is kids in America are going watch this and believe it's 100% truth, go their lives without ever second guessing it. If you do this enough times you've successfully rewritten history for your ideology and agenda. They should add a disclaimer at the very start that the movie is not factual, but good luck with that. Don't call it a documentary if it's fiction. End of story.

[@mogaming163]

Yeah it’s absurd that they call it a documentary

[@camfreed9829]

You people would know all about re writing history and how it works wouldn’t you? Lol

[@HeronMarkHero]

people already have zero problem with using a purely fictional piece of media as evidence. quoting a movie that says "based on true events" at the beginning will be a no brainer for them.

[@ramigilneas9274]

@@camfreed9829 What do you mean, "You people“?

[@ramigilneas9274]

@@HeronMarkHero Cocaine Bear is based on true events… which means that 99% of the movie is fiction.😂

[@comradekims.d.]

If something is not accurate it should not be allowed to be called a documentary

[@icntsywhtiwnt2]

That would torpedo most Netflix documentaries.

[@terrystewart1973]

I'm not sure it shouldn't be allowed - who enforces that for a start. It should though be called out for nonsense, mocked and the broadcasters and producers of the show invited to say what the hell they were thinking.

[@jacob_vt]

Inaccuracies are bound to happen even among historians as even they themselves come up with different answers which they later establish as fact in their work through various evidence. So omitting every "inaccuracies" from a documentary may not be the best move. HOWEVER, blatant inaccuracies such as Cleopatra being black despite having clear evidence of her Hellenic heritage with all the murals depicting the queen with a white skin, that should 100% not be allowed to be included in a documentary. Let alone be called as one.

[@yourvenparianen5390]

basically this, the fact they labelled this as a documentary instead of an opinion piece is what is getting them so much justified hate

[@Darkshizumaru]

To be fair she does call it a Docudrama not Documentary. Thing is, there actually was a black Pharaoh dynasty, it was a Nubian invasion that was actually an interesting part of history. I find it kinda weird that they want to focused on a Macedonian manipulative 304 over cool conquerors... It's spitting on history to change it to suit your warped view. There a real black queen married to a black king in Egypt but they want to just race swap Cleo the booty slayer...

[@Doc13rain]

There is a huge difference between allowed to think and debate something in conversation and doing a documentary were you present your ideology as facts.

[@joaquindonoso5481]

​@@margaridafilipe7890 so we should keep doing it?

[@gamezonereactions8388]

@@margaridafilipe7890 Then blame Hollyweird and the celebrities spouting leftist trash.

[@damianboj3809]

Some people especially in US have problem to understand the difference between OPINION and Fact! IDK maybe because of misunderstanding: "freedom of speech", in US they love to repeat that phrase actually without knowing what it means! An example of not understanding what "free speech" means, was people defending Amber Heart, saying that "she can say what she wants its a FREE country"!

[@Gthisen4400]

@@gamezonereactions8388 to be fair he just stating his opinion/way of thinking which is something thats seen as a bad thing now days because of people like you, yes you are a huge problem in our world fix ur self thank you

[@DuvalRypr]

@@demonslugeryou’ll never get that example from them. They just run with what they hear without actually knowing what they are talking about.

[@D.I.O666]

America's logic She's African = she's Black Speak Spanish = is Mexican

[@countbooga6997]

She wasn't african wtf are you even talking about? She was greek FFS

[@countbooga6997]

That's like saying black people in america are native americans because they live here

[@BurningBridgeStudios]

@@countbooga6997 Uhh... You realize... He was making fun of.. People that think like that.... Right?

[@kopokopo20]

@@BurningBridgeStudios LMFAOO LITERALLY the joke flew over their head💀

[@hamza.r4319]

She is of Greek ancestry, but she was an Egyptian queen, and she considered herself Egyptian, that's what the Ptolemaic Egyptian dynasty is.@@countbooga6997

[@shinrapresident7010]

Whitewashing: Evil! Blackwashing: YASS QUEEN! My wife majored in ancient history and nearly had an aneurysm when I told her about this.

[@crustybomb115]

cant blame her, from what iv heard quite alot of people in egypt are also pissed off about it and netflix is being sued by a lawyer from egypt

[@sly9263]

pretty much sums it up right here

[@GeorgeMonet]

It isn't just blackwashing. It is cultural appropriation.

[@kopokopo20]

My ancient history teacher was furious about it too she told us about arguing with braindead idiots who insist Cleopatra was black lmfao

[@NationalRunescape]

​@Staggerd1337 in this case he actually has a case though. And it's not 1 man sueing it's the entirety of Egypt

[@Dalinos]

Cleopatra the 6th was a Greek Pharaoh, the last Pharaoh of Egypt before the Roman Empire took over. She hailed from the Ptolemy dynasty. Ptolemy was one of Alexander the Great's generals. They were childhood friends. They got tutored, all of them, by Aristotle of Athens. They were educated in History, Poetry, Military Strategy, Music, Philosophy, Ethics and some Mathematics, from the age of 5 till the age of 19. Cleopatra's name in Greek is "Κλεοπάτρα". Breaking down the name, we get the word "Κλέος", (Cleos) which means Glory, and the female version of "Πατρίς", (Patris) which means "home country". Therefore, the word Cleopatra means "The Glory of the Homeland". That's how badass she was. Funnily enough, there is another famous Greek mythological figure who ALSO has the word "Κλέος" in his name - Herakles, or "Ηρακλής". Herakles' name is an insult to the goddess Hera - his name breaks down to the words " Ήρα" and "Κλέος", which means "The Glory of Hera", which is of course an insult since he was living proof of her cheating husband, Zeus. Classic Zeus to add insult to injury, but that's another story. Making Cleopatra black and calling it a fucking documentary is an insult not only to myself as a Greek, but to every single Classicist out there who devoted their lives in studying the classical Ancient civilizations - Rome, Greece, Egypt, China, Japan etc. Yours truly, a Greek who's HISTORY (not Mythology, this is actual fucking recorded HISTORY) is being butchered.

[@daedalron]

Cleopatra, the one who slept with Caesar and Mark Antony, was Cleopatra VII, not the 6th. 6th is most certainly her mother (most historians agree on this, even though there are no definitive proof of it).

[@teodorcaraba979]

She was mixed race also just raised in greece she wasnt white white or black black

[@Singleshot316]

I wouldn’t be so sure about that mixed race part. The dynasty she was a part of were heavy inbred much like many of the Egyptian dynasties before them.

[@Dalinos]

​@@daedalron I stand corrected, what you are saying is true, I mixed up Kλεοπάτρα ΣΤ' with Κλεοπάτρα Ζ'. Yes she was the 7th not the 6th, 6th was her mum. The famous one is the 7th, or Z in my alphabet. I will leave the mistake in the original comment so that the reply thread makes sense :P.

[@BoredMarcus]

@@teodorcaraba979 you're just wrong. We know a lot of her ancestors and they were all greek. Not only every depiction we have of her shows a woman that looks like a european, we also have some of her sister, that looks also like that. Even if there were some Egyptians in her ancestors, they aren't west african black either. Of course we never will know exactly, but with this evidence she was slightly tan at best. You're the prime example what damage shows like these do.

[@DynamiteProd]

If it weren’t a documentary and they said they were race swapping I wouldn’t care. But in the doc she says “I don’t care what your teachers said, cleopatra was black” is wild

[@headcollecter3000]

It almost feels like ragebaiting.

[@Tenchi707]

@@headcollecter3000Let's just watch anime

[@brunobru7083]

​@@Tenchi707 some Vinland Saga

[@willowwillow9845]

the big problem is not here who gave them the right to call it a documentary it's not even writen by a historian and they took 0 history to write that shit it was all pure fantsy it was writen by jada smith

[@Tenchi707]

@@brunobru7083 some Hunter X Hunter

[@waynedowning7388]

Asmogold: How many people really give a shit about cliopatras race? Apparently the country of Egypt cares enough to sue Netflix for rewriting their history lol

[@mdavissq3d]

Exactly, and Asmongold deflects by saying "Well we have Freedom of Speech" while Egypt doesn't have Freedom of Speech like we do thus they're suing Netflix for saying its a accurate documentary and doubling down.

[@Fickets]

I’ve noticed a lot of his arguments amount to “who cares?”

[@bigeric1982]

A lawyer in Egypt is suing not the entire country of Egypt 🤣

[@CorporateG0th]

@@mdavissq3d I don't care either, this is a beef between woke westerners and native Egyptians, but freedom of speech doesn't mean "freedom to commit fraud" here either.

[@N1ecki]

@@mdavissq3d so i can use my Freedom of Speech to change colors of important Figures in History, Okay got it

[@Doormau5719]

It's bigger than just "don't watch the show". This is part of this idea that objective reality is being replaced by reality is what people feel it should be. That is seriously dangerous

[@memebro3181]

And the only solution is "just don't watch". Why? Because money speaks louder than words. Don't give your time and money to Netflix. Get woke, go broke.

[@damianboj3809]

"don't watch the show" This is the equivalent of telling a black person who thinks there are racists and inequality in American movies: "Watch African TV shows" 🤣 Or saying in 1937: "If you dont like what h1tler says, just dont listen"!

[@themouthofsauron6926]

​@@damianboj3809 what are you talking about?

[@smilesandthetwistedmd7608]

Black supremacy at its finest. The actress who plays Cleopatra just called all white people devils. Stupid idiot black supremacists are demonic.

[@hado33_]

facts

[@LittleSparklingStars]

Yes they didn't look into this, but that's the problem. They are claiming this to be a documentary but it's a fanfiction at most. A fanfiction with a shitty self insert.

[@IchbinX]

They did this to a certain white queen, too. They know what they're doing.

[@sammylong3704]

​@@WAR_1933 Lol. In fairness, they did DNA testing on Cleopatra's half sister and the results showed Greek and African ancestry but zero Arabian ancestry, so I'm not sure why Egyptian people are so upset about it.

[@ObservingLibertarian]

Exactly. If you're going to label something a "Documentary" - the actors, the sets, the clothing, etc. etc. all need to be as correct to the period or subject matter as _reasonably possible._ Intentionally race swapping historical figures in order to try and normalize revisionist history in accordance with a political race-based-ideology like "Kemet": is not a "documentary" - it's propaganda designed to give people a *false perception* of reality. Netflix is rightfully being called out for it.

[@jmwintenn]

@@sammylong3704 that dna testing is horribly flawed

[@danialyousaf6456]

@@sammylong3704 because Egypt is a part of Africa. Even if Cleopatra wasn't Arabic she wasn't black either. She had olive colored skin at best.

[@WostecGamesDie]

Its actually making people THIS angry because they are represeting it as a documentary. They are pretty much trying to re-write history.

[@welp2388]

It's exactly what it is.

[@jasonmorgan27]

Thats called Marxism, it is what we have been telling you for years is happening.

[@erikalulea3608]

Exactly , that is the issue.

[@awesomeguy9513]

I mean the Egypt people/government are looking to throw this “documentary” out

[@taylorfusher2997]

I thought Cleopatra was a mixed race of Greek, Egyptian and black African. But we should not be talking about race discussions. I know I am a hypocrite for saying this, and I know that I am discussing a race issue but still we should not be talking about race issues if it’s suppose to be a color blind world. Remember I am not a historian expert, I just hear this from experts on the internet, and from other people.

[@IanFitty]

I mean Egypt literally touches the Middle East…. It’s closer to Greece and the Middle East than 90% of the other African countries. Not a complicated concept. Egypt is technically in Africa but has a history deeply intertwined with other countries touching the Mediterranean.

[@johnriley-wr7cg]

Exactly it was a melting pot with everyone

[@canaan3274]

I know this is 10 months late but I’m pretty sure Egypt is actually closer to Greece and the Middle East than 100% of other African countries 😂

[@reasonablyserious]

The clue is in the name. Mediterranean, as in the body of water. The relationships of countries around the Mediterranean sea has often times been closer than to other (even neighboring) countries

[@stinkfinga4918]

It's honestly the difference of being in Germany and thinking everyone would be speaking Spanish, I mean, Spain is RIGHT THERE, it's in Europe, so people as far as Sweeden should have darker complexions.

[@Xorwath]

A brief history lesson: After Alexander the Great died, his empire was divided to his 3 generals. Ptolemy inherited Egypt and the ME, and founded the Ptolemeic Dynasty. Cleopatra was a direct descendant. They kept their bloodline pure by questionable marriages. She is described to had had black hair and pale skin, and that made her stand out from the rest of the egyptians. She got rid of her siblings (assassination, coup-de-etat, poisoning) to get the crown of Egypt. She was not a benevolent queen trying to protect her people. She was thirsty for power, that is why she went to great lengths to seduce both Caesar and Mark Anthony. Power was all that she craved. Some accounts state that she even had blue eyes, which again goes against the accounts of how ancient egyptians, greeks and any other african people looked like. She had pure bloodline of the ancient macedonians.

[@wickian9571]

The people of that region and southern Europe were actually a lot whiter than they are today. It was later muslim conquests that darkened the people in those regions.

[@Cloudedreign]

I forgot about that connection. Very informative! I had heard that she might have had red hair though?

[@nevswain478]

@@wickian9571 that bs. It's moronic to think Egypt is the ONLY country in Africa the land of the black natives was white. That's pure wishful thinking. Via wars and invasions the people of the area got LIGHTER, not DARKER.. It's biologically IMPOSSIBLE for the natives to not be black originally..

[@donslaine]

Spit those facts. It's been said by historians that she was the only person in the ptolemaic dynasty who actually spoke Egyptian (in addition to Greek), which is where a lot of the confusion comes from.

[@khalduras784]

​@@wickian9571the muslim bedouins werent really dark skinned either tbh

[@dak6811]

Bro you cant call it a documentary and mess one of the most important issues, this is equivalent of having a documentary about Martin Luther King Jr. and having Asmongold play Martin Luther in the documentary.

[@sk8ermGs]

Pahahaha

[@j43k]

People who have been to Egypt know how ridiculous this whole thing is. Hint: they're not black. The African countries on the northern and eastern sides have strong Middle Eastern influences. Another example: Morocco is in Africa, but they look fairly light, like a lot of Egyptians, *and they speak Arabic ffs*. Not Afrikaans, not Xhosa, a version of Arabic. Imagine that. This isn't a fictional character, those can be whatever and people need to deal. Historical people should be respected and honored across the board.

[@Diogenes_Lantern.]

@@sk8ermGs Exactly.

[@GregorySnipe]

The important issue of a 2000 year old queens skin color.

[@badunius_code]

@@j43k fun fact: Afrikaans is a dialect of Dutch

[@heresey]

The problem is that people have so little respect and support for actual education that a random Netflix documentary could actually confuse people.

[@versecontro4898]

OMG GURL I TOLD YOU SHE WAS BLACK. JADA THE QUEEN SED IT.

[@THELORDVODKA]

You said it. Even if people weren't educated but were capable of critical thinking and smart enough to understand it ain't factual this could pass as work of art (still not documentary though). But the fact that there is a good chance this will litteraly change or manipulate peoples opinions on facts of history is mental though. Netflix should be held responsible but not just them, cast, directors, writers, whoever thought participated in this.

[@eklipze7520]

@@THELORDVODKA I love the argument of how Asmon keeps trying to claim that "Egyptians being black is a common thought" when it isn't, but this documentary will be one of the supporting arguments for future generations to continue to think so.

[@taylorfusher2997]

I thought Queen Cleopatra was mixed race of Greek, Black African, and Egyptian. But I could be wrong because I am not a historian expert. But we should not be talking about race discussions. I know I am a hypocrite for saying this, and I know that I am discussing a race issue but still we should not be talking about race issues if it’s suppose to be a color blind world.

[@THELORDVODKA]

@@taylorfusher2997 By all sources (and we have many) she was mixed but certainly not black, not even in slightest. This is common example of how pop culture and institutions that govern it indoctrinate people. You aren't the only one that believed that, you aren't held responsible yet that's why it's important to start thinking critically (and escape being sheep). This is extremely dangerous state to be in...

[@horizontide568]

"Who gives a fck what ETHNICITY they were" Asmond sure my guy, lets just be ignorant about historical figures and everything else why we are at it. Just bc YOU don't care doesn't mean other ppl shouldn't either.

[@Kloyster2010]

yeah, I don't like asmond when he does shit like this, he's not that bright for an average person

[@stanjon7]

The problem is these people fully intend to rewrite history. It’s not just creative freedom and they do present them in a way that will make a lot of people believe its true.

[@Boredness90]

who are THESE PEOPLE? please elaborate 🤭

[@Faude18]

I think people who trust in the authenticy of this documentary trust in even more stupid things.

[@Myth0s2]

@@Boredness90 the ones making a “documentary” about Cleopatra, yet make her black. Those people.

[@camwhit8892]

Ayo f*ck Jada Pickett Smith, I said it. She ain’t never did nothing good, that’s all.

[@chuck948]

@@Boredness90 Big nose tribe

[@skywatcher3718]

Asmon, this is actually the problem when people say "who gives the f@ck". Everything does matter when the topic is related to historical facts. You can choose any skin color, race, age and gender when it's a fiction or fantasy.

[@zoh87]

No, it doesn't matter in the slightest, its just a throwaway movie on a streaming platform, it isn't an education film made to be shown to students, there are plenty of nonsense "documentaries" that no one bats an eye at but because this one has a black woman it has all the usual suspects up in arms.

[@questionmark718]

​@@zoh87 Remake Black Panther, cast Chris Pratt as T'Challa, then see who's up in arms.

[@dnw009]

@@zoh87 You severely underestimate the stupidity of humans and their sheer lazyness. Oh Netflix has a documentary on ancient egypt about Cleopatra, let's throw that up for the kids to watch.

[@nyxnightmare3542]

@@zoh87 So you agree that George Washington was very obviously a black man?

[@deadboltzz5199]

​@@questionmark718 nobody cares its a fictional story you probably collect action figures lol

[@croftmanor2k23]

I'm glad we're finally calling out blackwashing.

[@jamestomlin5525]

Very fitting avi, lol

[@remrem-gx3ml]

mafuckas be like the rolling stones these days. they see a fucking window and they want to paint it black.

[@WarningStrangerDanger]

Now call out ginger treasure because for some bizarre reason, they're the ones being most blackwashed. Waiting for a race-swapped Brave.

[@jamiegreyy]

True, but ironic coming from you 😂

[@ponjun3970]

Nah it's more of American Washing now. All them woke shit mostly came from america

[@DEATHFROMA8OV]

Asmon not understanding what a documentary is supposed to be is the funniest shit in the world. Man firmly believes you should be able to make a documentary on someone with what you think is the truth about them. Then its not a documentary its like if they started saying Abraham lincoln the vampire slayer is a documentary.

[@DillonRice-vd1dv]

He said that,(and explained this in the video)but also said people should be allowed to tell them how dumb they are,so basically saying, let people expose themselves as idiots before,telling them they’re stupid.

[@alexbare7181]

He said 'maybe they shouldn't call it a documentary because its false advertising, but having an opinion shouldn't be against the law' and you took that as 'he's saying it should be a documentary'.... Bro wake up to yourself...

[@alexc9434]

You didn’t understand at all what he said and are just blatantly lying about him lmao. Did you even watch the videos

[@kopokopo20]

@@DillonRice-vd1dv But in my opinion, they shouldn't have been allowed to create this documentary because they are misleading people who don't know better. Not everyone goes into the documentary knowing that it is all bullshit, so they would end up believing their ideologies. It's dangerous to allow them to deceive others by calling it a documentary and presenting their opinions as facts when their claims are in fact not true at all.

[@kopokopo20]

@@DillonRice-vd1dv But in my opinion, they shouldn't have been allowed to create this documentary because they are misleading people who don't know better. Not everyone goes into the documentary knowing that it is all bullshit, so they would end up believing their ideologies. It's dangerous to allow them to deceive others by calling it a documentary and presenting their opinions as facts when their claims are in fact not true at all.

[@randomgreyalien4835]

A *"Documentary"* is a presentation of *FACTUAL* events. You can't just alter historical data and call it facts. If it wasn't labeled as a documentary then maybe there won't be much of an uproar

[@razerscale3590]

The issue is who says a fact is a fact and how are we sure what they think is true? If you base it off what the majority of people think then you'll have wrong facts, if you base it off what "experts" think you have a small group of people telling others what the truth is and they can easily abuse that power and present their own ideas as fact and then the people can't question it. If you get a group of color blind people (with the same type) and ask them what color a tree is and they all say blue, to them it is factually true that the tree is blue but since the majority of people know that trees aren't blue then its not factually true. That's what he means when opinions and facts are mixed up all the time. Even the things most of us agree is fact can always change just like his science example. With this none of us where alive to know. Not a single person not even modern Egyptians so not even they would KNOW what the facts are. They just have to assume what is true based off what they know and if you get your information from different places different people will have different "facts" as soon as you start punishing people on a governmental level for false "facts" you give power to people to decide what is a fact and not and that's a slippery slope that leads to these fact givers having even more of a reason to give false facts because they will be believed more.

[@SilverFoxy207]

Yep spot on

[@randomgreyalien4835]

​@@razerscale3590 You're kind of lost. Nothing in this universe is a fact just because someone called it a fact. There's always a scientific process behind it. A scientific theory becomes a fact once it undergoes repetitive, extensive, and thorough research and peer review. The objective truth doesn't care about what the majority thinks. If 1+1=2, and let's say 90% of Earth's population believes that 1+1=3, once science (math) is applied to the process, it won't change the fact that the objective truth is 1+1=2. That means that if all the experts in Archeology have found that Cleopatra VII was of Greek Macedonian descent, then she is of Greek Macedonian descent regardless of what other non-expert individuals think. Just remember that you don't see faith healers working in hospitals for the same exact reason that you don't see Netflix producers/writers working in archeological sites. Knowledge, Experience, and Expertise matter. Q: That being said, can facts be faked? A: Yes, if it did not undergo peer review. Q: Can facts change over time? A: Yes, depending on the subject that we are talking about. The race and ethnicity of a dead person won't change over time, but the estimated birthdate, death date, and age might change as technology and innovation advance because archeological dating is not pinpoint accurate.

[@3amworm]

Yes, thankyou. You worded it better than I could.

[@danielseaburg9763]

@@razerscale3590 Cleopatra's skeleton and extensive DNA testing literally proved it without a shadow of a doubt. You utter melt. ''WHO SAYS ITS FACTS THOUGH?'' - biology does mate.

[@damunzta]

As many others have pointed out, the problem isn't the casting. The problem is, that when the casting isn't in line with historical fact, it shouldn't be labelled and marketed as a Documentary. It is an interpretated retelling of events, sure, but not a product of efforts being made to illustrate events as close to accurately as possible.

[@jcaique]

It's historical revisionism.

[@Doormau5719]

No the casting is stupid

[@TheJinjo75]

​@@N4chtigall Maybe...just maybe you shouldn't take Disney, Netflix, WB, etc...projects as historically accurate documents. Perhaps it would be good for you to read a history book once in a while.

[@DontTakeThisTwoSeriously]

I mean, no, the casting is still definitely a problem.

[@TheJinjo75]

​@@jcaique and? There's nothing wrong with that. The Inglorious Basterds from Quintin Tarantino, the Wolfenstein franchise, etc...all do the same. There's no inherent problem with it.

[@manowars3728]

Theres been a worrying amount of companies lately thinking they can get away with false advertisement. A subscription service creating a historical fan fiction and labelling it as a documentary is false advertisement and therefore a crime. At a bare minimum they should legally be required to stop advertising it as a documentary.

[@e-wall199]

Problem is, whenever those large companies face any kind of backlash they just use their PR and marketing departments to direct a large portion of their consumers into defending them, meaning it's not advantageous in any way for lawmakers to threaten them

[@e-wall199]

@Trump Is The Messiah silly me, of course they’re hopeless when something isn’t contemplated in the current law, if only lawmakers could make laws or something (Btw, false advertising IS illegal)

[@MAGAMAN]

Their crime is supported by their corrupt government. This has been going on since the first Dictator; Abe Lincoln.

[@SophieRocks]

The big corporations and msm are all onboard the destroy Western society movement. They are rewarded for it. Several banking families control all the central banks in almost all countries in the world. The corporations answer to them. They want a One World Government and are well on their way to achieving it. They don't want anyone having allegiance to their own country, customs or people.

[@tzaphkielconficturus7136]

I don't think accuracy is a qualifier for documentary. I'm not sure letting the government decide what is accurate enough to be a documentary is a good idea, either.

[@TheBayzent]

Egyptians nowadays aren't black, I don't think it is much of a leap to understand they never were... I mean, Europeans aren't Asians despite living on the same landmass, why is this so hard to get for Americans?

[@laars2233]

Not to mention that she was literally Greek. She was greek! She wasnt black, she wasnt Egyptian, SHE WAS GREEK! GREEKS ARENT BLACK!

[@digiorno1142]

The problem is people live under this false narrative believing that the Arabs totally invaded Egypt and North Africa, “colonizing” it and effectively replacing the native “black” population. When we have actual historical and modern evidence that shows the Arabs had a very minimal influence on the Egyptian’s genetics. They didn’t really colonize Egypt, they just replaced the rulers and converted the people to Islam. So based on evidence it is very accurate to say that the modern Egyptians are the same, or at least very close to the ancient Egyptians in terms of appearance.

[@Mattheww321]

Jada Pinkett Smith sees herself as cleopatra. That's the only reason this exists.

[@Baram1950]

Underrated comment.

[@Montgummery]

But it was an entanglement though😅

[@kennymichaelalanya7134]

​@Fruit-Punch Samurai it matters because Cleopatra infatuated the Roman Emperor and plus she knew how to speak the Egyptian language . She's the first to manipulate a man in power. ( as far as I know)

[@jvdach4652]

​@@kennymichaelalanya7134 you know the saying, behind every powerful man is a woman. Doubt cleo was the first manipulating woman.

[@ghosttemplar6989]

Thing is she reallt could be according to the history of cleopatra who contributed nothing to Egypt

[@AM-ko4pi]

10:16 The problem with the, “just don’t watch it” standpoint is there’s going to be a bunch of equally stupid teachers showing this documentary to their 8th grade class and it’s just going to perpetuate the lie.

[@manleyfgc7981]

so the problem is a super specific scenario you made up that probably won't happen? lmao, the horror!

[@havocxmosquito2839]

@@manleyfgc7981 the idea that you think teachers dont show docs to kids is r worded

[@DaxterL]

bruh, definitely, one of our substitute teacher was showing crop rings and claimed that a katana can cut through a tank.

[@namelessking8905]

Sit back and do nothing is Asmond's recommendation it seems.

[@milkymilk53]

Has it happened? Is it specifically 8th grade? How did these equally stupid teachers get jobs, c'mon man you can't just give us bits and pieces if you know the future or have some knowledge nobody else has you gotta give it to us

[@ThisIsAUsername69]

"Just don't watch." doesn't work. Ignoring the problem isn't a solution. All it does is let it happen more.

[@potato6785]

“Just don’t watch” is like saying “just don’t go to the appointment” when the doctor calls you in after a biopsy. Ignoring it doesn’t cure the cancer.

[@ronaldwalker5741]

its simple it means just dont give your energy to it and be smart because im sure this netflix documentary is why people are so ignorant

[@skunkynuggets6881]

It's like when someone shits in the middle of the room and someone says "just don't step in it". Well it still makes the whole room smell like shit

[@Fearoq]

It does solve the problem if they lose money. Dont watch, dont subscribe and if you are, unsubscribe.

[@boyanpenev9822]

It can indeed be a good solution for media. Infamy is preferable to anonymity for some.

[@MrAntiKnowledge]

I'd wager if the "(expert) opinion" can't even get the ethnicity of a historical figure as well documented as Cleopatra right, they're not really an expert.

[@unusuallycloudy]

Can't wait for an American documentary with Will Smith as George Washington.

[@DougDimmaDingus]

Keep my country’s name out yo f**king mouth -George Washington probably

[@Karsazilla]

Wow I was thinking the same and just saw your post, lol.

[@Slponk]

@@Imbalanxd Ben Kingsley was born Krishna Bhanji on December 31, 1943 in Scarborough, Yorkshire, England. His father, Rahimtulla Harji Bhanji, was a Kenyan-born medical doctor, of Gujarati Indian descent, and his mother, Anna Lyna Mary (Goodman), was an English actress. 2 seconds on google lol

[@kurtobidelnoire2910]

That's a 50/50

[@coldchillin8382]

Well there is George Washington Carver who invented hundreds of products out of peanuts.

[@kylevernon]

“Somebody over there isn’t going to be angry, they don’t care” 5 seconds Later “She’s being sued by the Egyptians for changing their history”.

[@OdnaropX]

"The piramid is the same color" No it's not, it lost the finish cover that was in white stone.

[@opiumthoughts1142]

@Druid of Scosglen Must of been a sight to see when the sun hit it.

[@ForexArbycom]

limestone

[@JanitorScruffy]

Ironically pretty fitting considering the video is about black washing.

[@someguycalledcerberus9805]

Tfw even the pyramids used to be white.

[@Wullabab]

@@someguycalledcerberus9805 hahhahaa

[@K1181-r4o]

"I don't care what they tell you grandson, MLK was white"

[@alanacos6947]

😂😂😂😂

[@kevinbell5674]

It's hilarious watching Asmon trying to downplay this as much as possible when all of Egypt is having a stroke over this.

[@erikalulea3608]

He do not get that this is a Documentary , NOT a fictional movie.

[@sicksixgamer2694]

What did he downplay?

[@googlename3859]

@@sicksixgamer2694 He spent 30+ minutes basically saying "this is dumb but its not a big deal, get over it"

[@sicksixgamer2694]

@Google Name he said you can't throw people in jail over this and he's 100% right. How do people not get that?

[@jerodfarmer165]

@@sicksixgamer2694 sadly. Anyone spreading lies should be silenced permanently

[@RealityBackHand]

0:58 Turns out Egyptians give a damn about that. Wow who would think that people of a Nation would give a damn about their history and culture.

[@Rathial]

Thinking Egyptians were all black because that is the first thing that comes to some peoples minds when they thing of Africa is like thinking all Russians look the same as Chinese because Asia.

[@Maatkare]

@@lancevance6346 i remember a debate back in the AOL chatrooms about a news story and whether or not ancient Egyptians were black. it's been around forever lol

[@spagetti5309]

I thought cleopatra was egyptian or something. Thanks to this controversy, i learned she was actually greek/macedonian. Thanks netflix for teaching me.

[@greyjedi1272]

While not all Egyptians were black many were. Egypt was a metropolitan state off and on for thousands of years.

[@keffbarn]

Problem with Cleopatra was that it was presented as a documentary, so I assumed the things mentioned in it was established history. I had no idea it was fringe stuff in it, and I only found out about it after I watched it. I didn't even have a chance of boycotting it!

[@yugoxgc]

I love that Jada claims there have been so many black queens... but want to build her documentary on the one who wasn't 😂

[@erinmalinoski9479]

Excellent point.If there truly were “many” black queens like she claims then go make a documentary on one of them.But no,…this pathetic thief chose Cleopatra because of how well known intelligent and powerful she was and Jada desperately wants to steal her identity and claim it for her own race.It’s truly sad and downright embarrassing when you have to completely lie about the race of a historical character all because you very selfishly want to appropriate the cultures of others.The BBC pulled this same bs by making a series of Anne Boleyn and used a black actress to portray her.

[@dannybonsai7102]

yeah I think Nefertiti was black, from Kenya or that area maybe.

[@yugoxgc]

@@dannybonsai7102 Yeah & she is also VERY popular as far as I know

[@hikaz8704]

Yea that is true. I find it funny she picks a queen that was white/Mediterranean who was NOT liked.

[@inlovehusband]

Because then they would have to show who actually sold their people to other countries...

[@SuperTyrannical1]

It's one thing to change a fantasy character like Nick Furry. Who cares that much? But when you change Anne Boleyn and Cleopatra, now you're rewriting history. It's especially offensive when it comes from the same kinds of people, who were probably the same people who got mad at Scarlet Johansen playing a fictional anime character in Ghost in The Shell, even though she looked like the character. 😂

[@darthmorbous]

They shouöd make a documentary of the actreess life, and a Norwegian bl8nde should play it.

[@undertakernumberone1]

Well, Nick Fury in the MCU is also based on ULTIMATE Nick Fury (the Ultimate universe had been a secondary comic series that would be a fresh start to allow newcomers to get more easily into Marvel)... and Ultimate Fury had been based on Samuel L. Jackson. And now, Jackson Fury has basically also taken over hte mainline comic.

[@SmurfKenny]

@@undertakernumberone1 Still a cheap shot no matter how they try to justify it. Personally, I like Samuel and I think he did a great job. But no matter how you wrap this is is still an insult to the original established character. They should be more into making new characters than rewriting older ones. And the logic behind the multiverse is not that you can change a particular character that much. Making it into race swapping is just dumb! Peter Parker is still Peter parker.. same with DR Strange etc...

[@schobaxt.8781]

I think asmon completely missed the point at ~ 35 minutes. The issue was about the producers claiming the "documentary" to be factually correct. Not that they "reinterpretate" a story. Sure they can produce a show about cleopatra and make it interesting and entertaining. Thats their freedom. But claiming: "According to experts" is just wrong.

[@astralguardian5930]

Yeah, she could've easily went to Egyptologists or Archeologists, Egyptians themselves, Museums with Egyptian artifacts, and probably many more fine examples, but yet the Pinkett didn't do that at all to collect evidence. Entirely because she was dead set on the *political act* that it would be to make Cleopatra black, and she is reaping what she is sowing.

[@Cuorion]

My great-grandma also told me stories about WWI, the Balkan Wars, and the population exchange between Greece and Turkey, which you don't find in history books. Then again, she was actually there.

[@damuffin91]

This is 100% in history books lmao. Just because some crappy school textbooks fail to mention something doesn't mean historians don't write about it.

[@Cuorion]

@@damuffin91 You didn't get me. She told me stories happening during those times that are not in the history books.

[@lostpanda1598]

They manage to do the impossible, unite Both Egyptian archeologists and Greek archeologists, A feat thought to have been impossible.

[@LordBovyn]

People tend to unite against a greater threat, remember madara?

[@TheDragiix3]

They managed to do what the Roman empire didn't manage, to unite Europeans and Egyptians 💀

[@Stigmezz]

@@LordBovyn can you dumb webs stop using anime references for one second ? Nobody cares

[@ghosttemplar6989]

Still is Im not sure where you are looking

[@themouthofsauron6926]

​@@TheDragiix3 but Rome did do that when they annexed Egypt

[@TheScience69]

I genuinely hate the argument "what makes you think people give a shit". People DEFINATELY give a shit. Jada has spent years at this point insisting cleopatra was black. Its a VERY big deal to a lot of people thst she HAS to be black. Then when they get their own way and the other side are like wait, wtf its "omg why do you care its not a big deal". How come its been such a big deal up to now? Straight up just gaslighting people into not speaking their mind.

[@danpriest1020]

'Who cares' is a spineless way to argue for one side. Unfortunately it is Asmon's go-to defense for woke shit ppl overwhelmingly dislike

[@eafesaf6934]

Who is Jada?

[@iBloodxHunter]

​@@eafesaf6934 The bald woman in this video married to an American celebrity named "Will Smith."

[@MrCrippsPink]

@@eafesaf6934 Darth Jada

[@MrCrippsPink]

On a more serious note: The argument is also stupid. Just because nobody cares doesn't mean it's not important. Things often are very important when they impact our lives, whether we care or not.

[@xDemimondex]

Race swapping fictional characters is one thing, but these were real people. The only reason they would do this is a political one. These companies are trying to re-write history.

[@robertaleman5732]

What political ploy was there when John Wayne played Ghangis Khan.

[@GratDuForloradeArgumentet]

No it's not one thing. Stop stealing our characters, mythology and history. Paras1tes.

[@a-sseater553]

​@@GratDuForloradeArgumentet ????

[@haydencantthink]

I can't wait for the day they make a documentary on Otto von Bismarck and have him portrayed by an indigenous Australian or Martin Luther King jr. portrayed by Aaron Paul

[@ksfallenangel5770]

Ding ding ding! History should be told truthfully and honestly.

[@arturbabajev7936]

5:59 imagine a documentary from Egypt “Barack Obama the first white president of the UK”

[@alanacos6947]

George Washington was southeast Asian, Lincoln was from India, Barack Obama was Mexican, Thomas Jefferson was from Ethiopia

[@McChickenIsNotReal]

You know it’s bad when Egyptians are suing Netflix about a big figure in there history because it’s shown inaccurately Edit: I’m black and I feel ashamed at my own community in how entitled we feel to the point where some of us rewrite a different culture’s history to fit our own standards even when it’s completely wrong..…

[@DavidLyles]

Do not feel ashamed. You did nothing wrong.

[@bulldowozer5858]

"The pyramids are still the same colour" Who's gonna tell him, that the pyramids were white?

[@tarantinopipp7455]

So true😂😂

[@prophetscott]

Were they? Sun bleaching usually doesn't make colors darker in materials.

[@criticalmeme1096]

@@prophetscott The pyramids you see today are ruins. They used to have white slabs of limestone covering the now visible inner structure. They've been subject to violent sandstorms, occasional rainstorms and just vandalism for thousands of years.

[@wraith313]

@@prophetscott they had a layer of limestone on the outside making them white. That layer eroded away for the most part. It's the really light part you can still see on the top of some of the pyramid images you see still.

[@plebkac]

My grandmother told me they were black though.

[@sulam0166]

Imagine being a massively important person that was so important that your memory has been preserved for 2,000 years and then some random weirdo tries to corrupt your image to push their own agenda. Crazy.

[@AntiTheBird]

Cleopatra wasn’t significant, the only significant thing she did was get railed by Julias Ceasar

[@fartnloud7411]

​@@AntiTheBirdHistorians say otherwise.

[@DillonRice-vd1dv]

@@fartnloud7411 no they don’t 😂

[@schneemilch908]

@@AntiTheBirdThe alliance with Marc Anthony is also not to be forgotten. And there is the fact, that she was more or less the last ruler of ancient egypt.

[@zerobolt9506]

​@@schneemilch908 correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't most (and still are) Egyptians bronze color 🤔

[@OpenMawProductions]

(Cleopatra wasn't egyptian, she was from Greece. With very distinct Greek features. All you have to do is look at the likenesses of her to see the very Greek facial features she had. )

[@whonikkikki]

From all the info I could find, this is still being debated. Scholars observe greek features for sure, but saying that she was purely greek is, especially for the time, highly unlikely - which seems to be the general consensus. It's very easy to spin a narrative, regardless of which side you're on.

[@OpenMawProductions]

@@whonikkikki And for all the historical research I have done in my entire life, she was not only Greek, she was most likey from Sparta. She fits the bill almost entirely, from facial features, to her physical appearance, her education. Spartan women were some of the highest educated, most physically fit, and considered some of the most beautiful women in all of Greece. That's Cleopatra. Not this revisionist nonsense trying to pass itself off as a documentary.

[@whonikkikki]

@@OpenMawProductions I'm not talking about the Netflix thing. I trust "the general consensus of historians" much more than I trust whatever independent research you've done. Write a piece, submit it, get it vetted and peer reviewed, prove that she was 100% Greek and Spartan, and *then* I'll believe you. Academia doesn't work because someone at some point says "x is true".

[@Staggerd1337]

You are wrong and right, nationality she was Egyptian, she was Born in Alexandria Egypt in 69 B.C. But her family is believed to have been Greek/Iranian.

[@micayahc.wilson8061]

Greatest irony of all is that Cleopatra almost certainly had her own slaves.

[@jakehr3]

I was waiting till the end of this video to see if asmon said something that made this make sense and it still doesn't How is that ironic?

[@acutelilmint8035]

Egypt was built on slavery literally

[@ghosttemplar6989]

Yep and some where not even Egyptian

[@HappyAspid]

Probably "ironic" because in this show Cleopatra is black, so if all locals were black this means she had black slaves. And this is a big no no in current media.

[@ghosttemplar6989]

@@HappyAspid Do not forget about the Moors just saying dig deeper

[@TheTeleworker]

Netflix makes a lot of questionable decisions with their original content

[@spagetti5309]

@Jay Nah not everything. Outer banks, kleo, the spy, extraction, the gray man, sweet tooth, ragnarok, lockwood & co, the platform, sea beast, red notice, murder mystery and many more are all nextlix content and are 0.0 woke feminist nazi shit. Just sometimes they do put out shit like this.

[@patriklundvall3296]

Can say forsure the people who lived at north africa for thousands of years, havent been black since like the migration period. They got more of a mediterranean look. You had to go more south then that, the closest contact ancient egypt had with black people was the kingdom kush that ancient egypt later invaded & seized power. Hence why we got black figures in the ancient art from egypt. This is just the general population not even to mention the Greek dynasty Ptolemaic that ruled ancient egypt after Alexanders libaration of egypt from the Persians. So by netflix "facts" Alexander the Great was black aswell. Atleast tag this disaster as a comedy not an documentary.

[@michaelpettersson4919]

Leading to subscribers to look for films without the Netflix "N" on them.

[@theyliedtoyouaboutworldwar1944]

I think white countrys should take even more inmigration since all ppls were doing cool things right? Xd learning from netflix

[@malthus986]

If they just want to tell a fantasy story, all power to them, but then they should not dare call it a documentary. Also I laughed so hard at Asmon's commentary "People know about Cleopatra". Obviously they don't, if people making a documentary about her did not even get her cultural heritage right xD

[@syndrathedarksovereign1609]

People know about cleopatra as in people know she existed and she was an important historical figure, nothing more, not that people know what cleopatra's favorite food to eat at lunch was

[@The_Clever_Cat]

@@syndrathedarksovereign1609 Not knowing what race she actually was isn't like knowing her favorite food. You're just as bad as the people who made this shit lmao

[@Skateordie193]

This show probably would slide if it was more of a fantasy or based of a real event instead of documentary

[@Gecko....]

You're so naive if you think they just want to tell a story, this is about politics and ideology.

[@theelusiveman5940]

​@@waynemorgan6153 i wish my brain had as many ripples as yours. Im jelly bruh. Smooth, gelatinous brain activities taking place over here. I had to actually look up "promulgated". Only then did I realize that Im actually too dumb to read and understand your comment, let alone this word that im curious where you even learned it from.

[@TheHolladiewaldfeee]

" if its in ancient africa, its probably black. Thats how ppl brains work". Nah, thats how americans brains work. Here in europe pretty much everyone knows the difference between north africa and middle/south africa.

[@_girlinspace_9736]

How can you say "Who decides what the right opinion is?" Cleopatra was Greek, that is not an opinion. It is a fact. I am also for free speech, but this is a next level of consciously changing facts. You know Elon Musk is white, right? But imagine there being a series called "documentary" about Elon being black, because he was born in South Africa.... That would be a fantasy, not documentary based on facts.

[@Visitormassacre]

There is a difference between an opinion and a fact. Opinions aren’t facts. You are completely free to have the opinion of “X was Y race.”

[@GreebleClown]

@@Visitormassacre No, her ancestors were Greek, literally from Macedonia. Antipater, the first of the Ptolemaic line of Pharaohs, was a general under Alexander the Great when he conquered Egypt. The only other races she could have mixed in was Persian and Iranian. We know this from the well documented family lines.

[@Visitormassacre]

@@GreebleClown r/whoosh. Again opinions aren't facts, you learn this is school, you can have a "wrong opinion".

[@Just2Epic4U]

@@VisitormassacreYou are right, you can totally have the wrong opinion. But don’t be surprised when an entire pissed off country that you shamelessly belittle dunks on you as a result.

[@Visitormassacre]

@@Just2Epic4U Finally someone who partly gets it. Governments/countries can do that, however that doesn't mean they should have power to dictate what people think

[@Kynber]

I think it’s a difference of calling it a “documentary” which focuses on factual evidence of the story/character. Instead of calling it a story adaptation or something where you can get away with race swapping and differences.

[@haydencantthink]

I agree, but I still think 'story adaptations' that have creative freedom should still try being as historically accurate as possible because if you don't, you're pretty much lying to your audience whether it was through your own biases towards history or your own ignorance. Braveheart for example is notorious for being so historically inaccurate that it becomes propaganda. Having creative freedom with history is fine in my opinion as long as a disclaimer is present stating that creative liberties have been taken and this film or whatever is not an entirely accurate depiction of history

[@erxanerxan9769]

i mean her being black is as logical as black panther being white or some nordic god being black(already happened). It has to be logical before anything else

[@tylerlane2159]

I get your point, however documentaries don't need to be factual. Often times they are constructed to promote a certain viewpoint.

[@haydencantthink]

@@tylerlane2159 Okay but this cannot be the case with historical documentaries, ever. Accuracy with History is important and denying that for the sake of promoting a certain viewpoint is just disrespectful and misleading. Edit: All documentaries should be as close to being factual as possible. You can provide a certain perspective while still keeping things truthful. "however documentaries don't need to be factual" implies that documentaries can get away with lying or misrepresenting/manipulating the truth in some way which is immoral

[@coryyoung7544]

@@erxanerxan9769 dead pool as red panther and heimdall are both great characters though because they've got good writing, (even if dead pool accidentally kills the guy he's trying to save)

[@Alert556]

Asmon has started doing this thing more and more where he gets called out he starts widening the scope until the generalization is so massive you could fit any argument in that box.

[@markup6394]

He may have a good head on his shoulders but we already know he's a hypocrite, too... at the very least since his reaction to that girl attacking streamers about their uniform opinions about pretty much everything...

[@m4nt1c0r3s]

@@yt_nh9347 Well he has this very american stance of "Who cares about this thing, that i dont care about" when clearly a lot of people do care about it its just not HIM or anything that HE cares about. Clearly ignoring all repercussions of such a mindset and what its already doing to western society.

[@MrFlejon]

The "other parts of the world don't care about racism like we do, it isn't the dominant part of their culture" is right. Because Americans don't understand their culture is like 300yo. When the rest of the world has an actual culture that goes back 2000 years. He is right that the rest of the world isn't obsessed about slavery, because that' the only history America has. He just doesn't understand why.

[@eyesfullofsky9776]

@@yt_nh9347 he goes from "Who gives a shit" to "Well, I guess _some_ people might get upset" to "Well, I guess if I was Egyptian, I might get upset, sure" None of this matters. 1. We know who gives a shit because those people swarm articles with comments and complaints, make videos talking about such matters and reply to this very fucking video explaining "I give a shit." 2. Yeah, _some_ people are upset. But that doesn't matter if they all got upset or if none of them did, because it isn't history, it is not _fact_ -you could even go as far as to call it lying. 3. Good thing it ultimately doesn't matter whether or not you give a shit or are Egyptian. We _know_ that tons of Egyptians do care. Egyptian scholars and historians are going out of their way to speak up about this being false.

[@athras8822]

​@@m4nt1c0r3s I think partly because he doesn't want to really get into the weeds about these racially charged debates, as he can easily get cancelled by it, especially because he's white. Unfortunately, that's the price you pay for being more and more mainstream, and running a company.

[@Ajbajnificent]

Where it comes to millions of people think Egyptians were black......millions of americans. Here in Europe, we study history in primary school. I don't know how it is over there but Jesus.

[@Elderester]

millions of americans also think they're cats, so..

[@Kodiursa]

I'm surprised Netflix allowed them to advertise their fanfiction as a documentary.

[@CaptainAdmiralMango]

This is sadly become normal, and they're so high on themselves that they don't realise they are the very thing they claim to fight against 😂

[@bigmike836]

Dont put anything pass netflix. They had little girls twerking in an adult manner in cuties.

[@senanur1983]

That means no one will watch the show..this is all just another marketing hype to make people watch or comment to spread the show.

[@iBloodxHunter]

You shouldn't be surprised, Netflix is owned by Disney and who has been pushing this stuff the most in the last 8 years?

[@BitmapFrogs]

the head of relaity programming at netflix is the son of an atlantis conspiracy theorist/writer... have fun

[@Brandalar]

The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history - George Orwell

[@byurBUDdy]

They done that with the black Native Americans, and convinced them that they were African.

[@boyanpenev9822]

This was never going to persuade Egyptians. It was a vanity piece by someone who wanted someone else's history.

[@tarantinopipp7455]

Orwell never said that phrase,it is a lie

[@dizzybee4176]

Apparently, one of the actresses of it took to twitter and called everyone who disagreed with their version of history a "white devil". I don't think it had the impact, at least on me, that she might have wanted. All I could think about was Ace Ventura when nature calls.

[@Wally_stad]

It was actually a random women’s comment saying ‘the white devils are already out’ Etc. the actress playing cleopatra only replied with a ‘thanks so much ❤’ which is just as bad lol.

[@danielledaniel1900]

She calling Egyptian white devils. This so funny

[@spagetti5309]

So people who are anti racism are actually being racist when people tell them they are historically incorrect and race swapping. What a surprise

[@Doomweapon66]

"White devil" huh? I'm certain they wouldn't be happy if it wasn't "white" in that phrase towards people so I question why they say it in the first place. Then again, the type of people making this documentary in the first place probably aren't "morally good" either so I guess it isn't surprising.

[@boneyardghoul6192]

Asmon they are literally wrong, it's not about challenging things they are objectively wrong and peddling it as truth.

[@stevendorsey4850]

16:12 -- The thing is, if they wanted to tell a fictional story about a black woman who is kidnapped, enslaved, and manages to rise to the position of a female emperess by her own strength alone. They could easily do that. All they'd have to do is invent a world, a setting, and write a story where that happens, and people would pay to see it. They could have a whole franchise built out from this other world they created, with other kingdoms. And they could have the protagonist of the first character, who rose to power, becoming a major staple character in later installments when they introduce new protagonists later on. But they don't want to do that because it takes too much effort, and probably costs more money than just stealing glory from other people's cultures.

[@ravensblade]

Problem is they can't do that. That would require same sort of actual creative talent.

[@ingold1470]

Their target demographic spends hundreds on brand name clothes, they'll only watch something if it already has name recognition.

[@midwestpotato]

@@ingold1470 no

[@grzegorzflorek5623]

Heh. The gall director has to "educate" Egypt on it's own history...

[@tristambre632]

You mean G.I Jane? lol

[@sammylong3704]

Cleopatra was Greek, she wasn't an Egyptian Arab. I think someone needs to inform Egyptians that Cleopatra wasn't from from Egypt or Arabia.

[@killerexe007]

​@@sammylong3704 they know, even the lawyer suing them says that she was Greek. Everyone knows she was Greek except for the black supremacists

[@whenyoupulloutyourdickands4023]

@@n30n66 Egyptian by nationality, not by blood.

[@ConkerVonZap]

I can't believe there is even a discussion now if she was white or not. Just have a look at Cleopatra family tree, she was married to her brother. And her father was married to his sister. This was the norm since from the beginning of the Ptolemaic dynasty. The only thing in common she had with Egypt is that she was born there and spoke the language.

[@kalasmournrex1470]

Just keep in mind this is in a context where the same people pushing this documentary with a race swapped real person are upset that the literal Hawaiian person playing Moana is 2 shades too light in their opinion.

[@tylerwellman8252]

That's because these idiots confuse complexion with ethnicity.

[@cidlufaine9044]

You’re thinking of Lilo and Stitch

[@ag9953]

Cleopatra was a member of the Ptolemaic dinasty, GREEKS, so she was actually whiter than the average egyptian, who btw where not black, they were descended from mediterraneans and arabs, black people did not inhabit Africa above the Sahara.

[@RealPendragon]

The issue isn't that they are making this, they can absolutely do that. The issue is that they call it a documentary.

[@TheHolladiewaldfeee]

lets be real: both is the problem. Its hella annoying that they have to black wash everything. that they to it in an so called "documentary" is the icing on the cake.

[@Dragaur17]

Asmongold has a lot of garbage takes here. It matters because they are pushing something not true as truth and that is the problem with our society right now. Feelings and ideas aren't more important than the truth.

[@viperdemonz-jenkins]

he rides the fence to scared of getting cannceled.

[@JejuIju]

@@viperdemonz-jenkinsBingo.

[@paulie-g]

That depends on a lot of things. The facts are that the US was founded by religious extremists who were pretty much the equivalent of a Christian Taliban, complete with barbaric and cruel religious courts. This is a historical fact. However, what is being taught as the US creation myth is the opposite - that the country was founded on the principle of religious tolerance. This has resulted in a society that is, to a significant degree, religiously tolerant. It's not as visible now when a lot of Europe is religiously tolerant as well via another means (secularisation), but was a significant (and one can cogently argue positive) difference for a long time. So social engineering via the propagation of untruths is not only effective, but can, depending on the goal, have a positive effect. The problem in this case is that they're trying to social engineer the US by distorting the history of other civilisations, which is not within their gift, and given how dominant US media is in the world is going to have a strong negative effect across the world. I'm also not sure it is helpful to the cause of black emancipation to lie in this way, as the lie is easily debunked. There were plenty of African-led civilisations in Africa that one could make a documentary about. People of Nubian descent likely played a big part in Egypt's society as well, so depicting that truthfully would also advance that goal without rewriting history.

[@Dragaur17]

​@@paulie-g The US wasn't founded by religious extremists though. At best you could say that was who originally settled here. The actual country was founded during/after the revolution and later the bill of rights guaranteed religious freedom as well as the freedom of speech/the press/right to bear arms and so on. Now there have been some things we have stumbled on along the way, but unless you are talking about 50 years ago I don't think anyone has been taught that for some time. Everyone knows about things like the Salem witch trials. I was taught about that and other negative things and I went to a very Christian school. Now you could argue enough isn't taught about those days in detail and I would agree. You can say the same thing about things like WW1 though for example. Anyway not looking for a debate just giving a different perspective. As for manipulating the history of other countries to match an agenda I couldn't agree more. Anyone with half a brain and the ability to seek out information can confirm that Cleopatra wasn't black. She was Macedonian and maybe some Syrian. Basically she looked like many other Mediterranean. Not to mention she was insanely inbred as were a lot of rulers back then going up to even the early 1900s but their family took it to an extreme. I do agree that places/times like the Ethiopian empire would have been more interesting and make more sense. But they wanted to pick a well known name that everyone would recognize and twist it into something else to match an agenda rather than educate on something in history that few people know about.

[@paulie-g]

@@Dragaur17 Those are fair points, I just didn't want to write a wall of text going into details (that said, religious tolerance according to the founders was, shall we say, limited if we're being generous, but that's a detail that gets elided over time). However, I guarantee you that if you ran a survey in the US asking about the pilgrims, what you would get back is "people fleeing to the New World to escape religious persecution in England" when, in fact, it was English religious zealots looking for a place where *they* could religiously persecute. This very much gets conflated with the founding. My point though was that historical myths perpetuated for the purpose of social engineering can, in theory, have positive outcomes. I still detest that, but it's not absolutely unacceptable to me if a country does that to their own history, but it's beyond despicable to distort another's history to clean up a mess in your own country. I used the pilgrims/US example because it's pretty much the only example I can think of where rewriting history has had a positive effect - religious zealots settled the country, but somehow current inhabitants seem to think religious tolerance is a core value? That's got to be a win. Everywhere else you look recently, like Ukraine (and other post-Soviet, or post-Yugoslavian states) rewriting its history post-1991, has resulted mostly in genocidal civil wars, forced displacement, ethnic cleansing and other fun things.

[@HuShen34]

How can they not be held accountable when they are literally changing history because they labeled it as a ducumentary and facts of their whole culture

[@danielseaburg9763]

'1:11 ''how many of y'all think anyone gives a shit if she was greek?'' Probably....the entire history of human civilisation?.....just a hunch.... smoothbrained within 71 seconds, thats a recod for you lad

[@BaxterGT3]

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard him say.

[@Yoshioka124]

Writers: "We are making a documentary because we want to present facts." Also Writers: "I think, maybe, perhaps, possibly, if I have to guess, my grandma told me, don't quote me on this but, someone somewhere probably did this at least once in the entire history of mankind."

[@RogerDeelaw]

It's not like, there wasn't a real egyptian queen (by real i mean her ethnicity), who is well known and played an important role in history. Nefertiti. There is also a lot known about her and her family, because she and her husband Akhenaten, changed the whole egyptian culture in a significant way, altough it wasn't to last very long. And they also were kinda the first egyptian rulers, that were celebrities, so a lot of their private life is also depicted in historic/archeological sources. But she didn't knew about the character she made a "documentary" of. How could i expect her to know about a character she COULD have made a proper documentary of.

[@shelbyspeaks3287]

Ah the "first monotheist" guy...

[@TheDragiix3]

Also, Hatshepsut, who literally made herself Pharao lol. I doubt Americans have much idea about history, let alone the details. If she can't get Cleopatra's ethnicity right, which is a 3 second google search away, she won't come across women such as Nefertiti or Hatshepsut.

[@ghosttemplar6989]

You can pick king tut and his father and grandfather as well or king tut mother. There is research that they were darker skin Egyptians which were way before some who we realize today.

[@avenderiel]

Nefertiti wasn´t sub-saharan black either. Ancient Egypt was a multitethnic society for millenia. Jada Smith is just an idiot that wants to erase the real history of egypt with her Hotep nonsense.

[@narudayo5053]

Let's not forget Kandake, a real black Nubian-Egyptian queen.

[@massey81]

problem with narratives like this is that if a person doesnt know any better they will believe this representation as being historically accurate.

[@africanlipplateandbonenose3223]

blackwashing history

[@DominikKapraun]

Imagine making Martin luther King white.

[@Phanorder1]

the problem with this is, if you say just don't watch it if you don't like it. Some people don't know that its not the way it's shown in the documentary and are watching it learning a wrong history since it is framed as fact. Thats the major difference to something thats fiction and you swap a character there.

[@MrZergMan]

They will also pull the race card if no one watches it.

[@the_Acaman]

People are laughing about that like to dislike ratio on the trailer but what worries me is that 25k people liked it in the first place. That's what these shows do, they make those lunatics grow in numbers little by little. If even a small amount of people believe the things they produce, it's a win for them.

[@MuhammadSharifulAlamSaad]

Exactly my point

[@michaellepine7981]

Some people are just contrarians

[@versecontro4898]

Well that’s what the ratio shows and why KZbin hides them. If the ratio is close to even it’s an absolute loss. It shows enough people have heard about it and blew the positivity of it out of the water

[@bumble-bee189]

Hundreds of years of archaeological excavations , tons of artifacts , millions of people who have given their whole lives to this topic , billions of printed publications and books of inceclopedias , museums BUT YES ! , I have to ignore it all because grandma told her granddaughter that Cleopatra is BLACK

[@bryantjames6038]

Cleopatra was not black. Its not a documentary, its a mockumentary.

[@tennooperator8182]

It's like having Christian Bale be casted as Bruce Lee in a documentary about his life, saying "who gives a flip" makes it worse cause it lets people get away with it and shows history or anything can be re written.

[@JewTube001]

they use to do that all the time though. did you know that John Wayne was cast as Genghis Khan?

[@AzazelDrag]

​@@JewTube001we don't do many things we did in 1950s now do we? And that movie was a flop, and almost killer half it's people

[@0potion]

​@@JewTube001Yeah, and did you know that to this day people make mad fun of the people who made that decision? And did you know that that movie did really badly? probably not you just know that it happened and so that's enough for you.

[@Jauhl1]

@@JewTube001 Except that the conqueror was made in a time by white people for white people. It was trying to tell the story of Genghis Khan, it never pretended that Mongolians looked like John Wayne.

[@mariosathens1]

Cleopatra can't be a black African because she was Greek. Her family the Ptolemies who ruled Egypt for 300+ years originated in the Greek Kingdom of Macedonia (Alexander the Great). It is known that the Greek royal families were obsessed with inbreeding, they used to marry their close relatives in order to keep pure the royal bloodline. In simple words, Cleopatra was just the last member of a Greek Dynasty who happened to rule Egypt [Greek/Hellenistic period of Asia and North Africa]

[@stonedecatur6602]

Giannas is Greek

[@desolation1821]

I think it should be illegal to race swap historical figures in documentaries. If you have a feature film, a show or any type of fiction, sure go ahead. It's still stupid, people will hate it, you'll shoot yourself in the foot, but you should have the liberty to do so. But documentaries are a different thing. Because then you're not only changing the color of a person for modern cultural reasons but you're also trying to rewright history and the Origins of a person. So I think the people behind this race swap should be accountable by law.

[@Youkai_graphics]

Lol “just don’t watch it” It’s not a like a movie which is fictional, it’s history, you cant just ignore it

[@badunius_code]

37:20 this argument is not about forbidding people to voice an alternative opinion this is about shunning the people who are spreading the false information you can't allow Netflix deliver their "opinion" in a form of TV series because you won't be able to argue with them you won't be able to tell them, "here's the facts. you are wrong. stop it" this is like allowing them to release a series about math, where they state, "2 times 2 equals 5" and let them do this "because we should let them voice their opinion"

[@TheYoTaG]

If they are calling this a documentary, im gonna call Asterix and Obelix movie a documentary too

[@vanmoosel]

Would be slightly more accurate as a documentry 😅😂

[@HamaNimue]

fun fact: Cleopatra was born closer to the invention of the iPad than the construction of the pyramids

[@hydrafussionzz7020]

that is mental mate.

[@barnaby4232]

@@vyktorzhuravlev8304 that is not true.

[@OP-lk4tw]

@@barnaby4232 yes it is, also, egyptians caused 9/11

[@Arkantos117]

@@barnaby4232 You can't really know that either way.

[@barnaby4232]

@@Arkantos117 of course we do lol

[@titaniumfalcon9815]

Saying Egyptians were black because they shared land with the rest of Africa is like saying Mexicans are white because it shares land with the rest of North America

[@samol-]

Thank you in my opinion I relate it to the Saudi Arabia and Iraq

[@citygirl2808]

I can understand how Egyptians would be bothered by being incorrectly represented.

[@amrth807]

​@@Deses from an egyptians ur full of BS surely something that lasted thousands of years won't be the same as it was and there would be times bad actors for sure in the thousands of years i don't know how a person can be this stupid to not realise such a simple fact and realising that egypt is one of the only civs that is still preserved to this point which makes your claim but only fault but stupid I agree that some muslims tried to destroy the egyptians antiquites before specially after the 2011 protest but were they successful? If you have seen the amount of backlash they recieved you would have realised how full of bullshit you are Basically you are saying that the 1% of egyptian radicals that believe that having anitquites is bad for the religion is the majority of egyptians its like saying ever american is a school shooter so they don't like their kids and most egyptians visit their anitiquietes regulary to see their great ancestry but at the same Egypt have had lot and lots of religions not only one and most of them were destroyed after the invasions them egypt became a christian state then at last a muslims state like literaly the majority o the fken world is mostly either bindu christian and muslim does it mean all their old civs don't matter cus they dont worship the same religion Lastly egypt is 85% muslims and 15% christian so other religions is accepted normally

[@citygirl2808]

@@symphonixblades ur right.

[@ghosttemplar6989]

​@@DoomBurger. Correct again it would be insane for Egyptians to even defend her of all people but here we are.

[@jcvader1404]

@@Deses Modern Egypt differs from Ancient Egypt in so many aspects that they could just as well be two different countries with distinct cultures.

[@zura17]

@@Deses the pryamids is almost 5000 years old, hard to protect the largest structure in history from thieves stealing marble and gold

[@Straff_Dis]

Yea, if it’s a documentary it has to be legitimate to its source. It’s written who she was and what ethnicity she is. So you have to 100% represent its source.

[@jamesfoss1627]

The biggest problem is that its unironically part of crafting a narrative that is a just straight up lie.

[@Rodanoar86]

they have a source that grandma lady said Cleopatra was black so you better believe... LOL

[@ostkaka8397]

I don't understand how you can say it's false advertising and it shouldn't be fought in a court in the same sentence.

[@boinghot]

Asmon takes, they're pretty much all like that

[@hydrafussionzz7020]

Asmongold is a reactionist farming views he doesn't actually care if he is factually correct.

[@ostkaka8397]

@@The.Nasty. he literally says "can you say it's false advertising? Yes. But I wouldn't say this is illegal." I can't recall the timestamp but if you watch the full thing, it's what he says at one point. So maybe you're saying that he's too dumb to know that false advertising is illegal, or you somehow read my comment as saying the movie shouldn't be allowed. That is not the case, I think what most people have issue with is how they market it.

[@Adrian-o2q7h]

This was done to make African Americans think the whole of Africa is just black people. North Africa is predominately a Muslim area and most of them have a tanned skin and not black.

[@Tuesoctloth]

I have a very close Egyptian friend that lives in Cairo and she is very fair skinned with dark black hair. People either assume all Egpytians are full darker-skinned arabs or black, and it's absolutely not the case, Egyptians and Levantine peoples are very fair skinned compared to the rest of the Middle East. Cleopatra is Greek.

[@-amel-9896]

Generally, our skin is very diverse, mostly more tanned than white people and our hair is very dark and curly as well. It depends tbh, my family all look like they are from different countries entirely and not related but somehow, they all look very Egyptian. Like most of the time, i can tell by first hand when someone is Egyptian whether their skin is fair skinned, tanned, black, if their eyes of hair is light or dark.

[@JewTube001]

@@-amel-9896 that would make sense because egpyt is more or less in between africa, the middle east and europe.

[@TheRenegadeStarr]

Keep in mind Egypt was colonized like 3 times. The Arabs who live there now are not the original people

[@jayslungsbloodclot2733]

​@@TheRenegadeStarr das right mayne, they wuz black

[@TheRenegadeStarr]

@@jayslungsbloodclot2733 you ok there bucko?

[@warhammer40k19]

I am Greek and I'm offended by this

[@scplunchbox]

As you should be.

[@115DELDE]

bro, as a fellow homie of the greek empire (spaniard) Im also offended. Im offended because every time Americans make everything about race I lose neurons. Netflix is a genuinely a fcking joke

[@VerGiLL1]

Oh don't worry your feelings or opinions don't matter since you weren't born on murica.

[@mithossol5255]

to put it in a better way for you, imagine if netflix made a WoW documentary and thrall was represented by a gnome

[@Razsac]

they can make it and we can all agree that it's stupid. the only thing that is wrong about it is calling it a documentary. other than that, not ilegal, just dumb

[@dani4ever]

That's not the same thing at all. I bet you're the kind of person that thinks the difrences between human races are like dog breeds.

[@crustybomb115]

@@Razsac methinks you dont exactly understand the severity of letting historical revisionism go unabated...

[@Razsac]

@@crustybomb115 it is very severe and the egyptians have every right to sue because they are calling it a documentary. If they just called it "series" or "show" no one would be complaining

[@crustybomb115]

@@Razsac exactly my point... making fanfics based on real life is one thing, calling it history is another...

[@PsiChoCybia]

They have so many Nubian queens to pick from, this specific Cleopatra, her lineage was appointed after Alexander the Great and was a clear Macedonian Greek. There may have been some African blood along the line, but the Macedonian Greeks tended to marry amongst each other, even much more so once they became a Pharaoic Dynasty. This is such important history and calls for upmost integrity, just as the Nubian royalty also calls for upmost integrity.

[@scottishRG]

I really dont think there was any africa in the ptolemic line. They were well known to inbreed to keep the line of leaders greek and cleopatra was the first to even bother to learn the Egyptian language. On top of that, one of Alexanders the Greats main issues in life was his Macedonia soldiers not bein pleased with his takin on and liking the cultures they fought. I think that shows a certain level of racism among the vast majority of his men. Most of them even divorced the persian wives he had had them marry as soon as he died

[@tjbr50]

Imagine if the Egyptians made a documentary about MLK and just made him a trans man. And told everybody they don't care what he actually was, and nobody should make a big deal out of it.

[@115DELDE]

Bro, MLK was a white asian from Mexico, the hell you talking about. My neighbour's grandmaother said so, and its the truth.

[@Uryendel]

pretty sure they would applaud a documentary saying MLK is trans

[@Doomweapon66]

@@115DELDE My momma taught me that MLK was from the Philippines and my momma is always right about everything. /s

[@115DELDE]

@@Doomweapon66 so MLK is from Spain! we did after all never lostbthe Philipines as it is still a spanish colony /s

[@pilotmanpaul]

They need to rebrand this from Documentary to Mockumentary.

[@HemisphereCinema]

if it was fictional i wouldn't care but this is pure stupidity 😅

[@DjDmt]

Cleopatra was black... source? Grandma: trust me bro

[@PhilPic01]

Cast Samuel L Jackson as Hitler in the next WWII documentary and we'll call it even.

[@FNA4E]

We are literally at a point where people are changing history.

[@Cerockman]

It has been happening all of human civilization. Don't you find it funny the good guys always end up winning?

[@MichaSennin]

@@Cerockman it happened in a time where nobody was connected like we are today. Rewriting history in real time in 2023 shouldnt even be possible. we are constantly conncected with each other and see what happens around the world in real time. its not possible to do this in our day and age because we know its not true. we already have the facts. people back then didnt have that. if you make somewhat white that was black and wise versa, history books will not change what has been written down for a thousand years just because of some Netflix documentary.

[@RobotReg]

​@@Cerockman LOL The good guys most definitely did not always win. What are you talking about??

[@Cerockman]

@@RobotReg You are missing the point, what I mean is story is always written in a way as to spin it that the good guys always won. Look at all types of incursions America had in Latin America just as an example.

[@TheHollowBlade]

@@Cerockman aka the winner is the one who writes the history because the loser is dead and cant verify the truth.

[@christhompson8003]

The main issue i have is that netflix (an American company) is producing a documentory about another countries history - then calling that country racist because they dont like the documentory.

[@williamminnaar6311]

Has anyone played Assassins Creed Origins - They used 40 historians to make that world - It's the most AUTHENTIC depiction of Ancient Egypt ever - HELLO, Cleopatra was in the GAME... and accurate!

[@strugglesnuggledslime7040]

Which is impressive,how did we go from that to Kassandra participating in the Olympic games?

[@dreamystone]

Imagine giving less of a shit than Ubisoft about literally anything, now THAT is actually shameful.

[@DandyBlobber]

The Greeks and Romans had slaves, but it was not race based based. The Greeks would turn the enemies from places they conquered to slaves: it was the norm for the time.