Neutrality in the Dominon War...

[@Relav1364]

Very neat lore exploration. I like the general attitude most of the nations have, "The Federation might bother us, but at least they leave us alone."

[@HMSVanguard46]

Just realised your pfp is nelson lmao

[@CosmicFearUkulele]

Aside from whoever is winning(landslide victory especially) it’s better to side with the one who is going to leave you alone with no strings attached. Or at the very least don’t join the other side, which in this case means not joking the Dominion.

[@Relav1364]

@@HMSVanguard46 excellently done

[@thijsjong]

If you dont resist you might be the next victim.

[@wedgeantillies66]

A case of better the devil you know than the devil you don’t know

[@joeg1915]

I like you didn’t even pretend to call Bajor neutral.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

I mean it's not like it has much choice

[@HeadlessChickenTO]

Is being neutral different or the same as having an agreement of non-agression? Neutral is defined by not taking sides of the conflict, where the non-agression pact seem to have slightly more favor to one side. The Romulans clearly allowed Dominion ships to pass through their space to attack the Federation via their borders, under their treaty of non-agression. The same consideration wasn't granted to the Federation. And the space around Bajor came under the Dominion flag, so they couldn't deny the Dominion even if they wanted to. A non-aggression pact seems to be the first step towards being brought into the fold as an ally, a protectorate, or assimilated. Neutrality allows for the retention of one's society.

[@OllamhDrab]

The chief thing their declared non-aggression did was to try to hold the Dominion and notably the Cardassians to their pose of being trustworthy and benificent: this actually severely constrained how much the Dominion could do to try and fortify the Bajor system as a beachhead, or maybe bridgehead is more appropriate, but... System With Wormhole. :)

[@supernautacus]

@@HeadlessChickenTO ...Well-said!

[@DIEGhostfish]

​@@OllamhDrab If they betray the bajorans, other neutrala might get very cagey

[@hmsverdun]

The Dominion threatened the Tholians for not allwoing them through their teritory at the end of the war. The THolians responded that we have 500 ships we will defeat you with one shot from the webs. Upon being told that the Dominion would send a thousand ships. The Tholians simply replied that they would shoot twice.

[@stahlwerk812]

that's such a Tholian thing to do

[@hmsverdun]

@@stahlwerk812 Its the probably apocryphal Swiss reported response to the German Kaiser in 1912 to a threat to engage with 250k men and being told the swiss armty would fire one well armed shot. On being told theyd have twice that its we'd shoot twice. Its also supposodly been said to the toothbrush mustached one but I dont know if it actually happened. Its very Swiss though.

[@captainsensiblejr.]

Ancient Tholian Assembly Proverb: " Tholians ... assemble !!!"

[@volbound1700]

Tholians are the mysterious race of Star Trek. No one knows how powerful they are and they keep to themselves. It also appears, per Star Trek: Enterprise, that the Tholians are interdimensional.

[@nosorab3]

08:40 Keevan-2: "...As you can see, based on our most up-to-date projections, the ongoing conflict will, unfortunately, push close to Sheliak space within the next three months. Now, while the Dominion would not dream to jeopardize its relationship with its esteemed neighbors, but can the same be said for the Federation?" Sheliak Diplomat: "Yes." Keevan-2: "Indeed! But what of the Romulans? The Klingons? Should the battlelines expand to such an extent, who's to say they would not exploit their cloaking devices to, hypothetically, violate your borders to perform a sneak attack? Or forage needed supplies from unguarded outposts?" Sheliak Diplomat: "We are well-equipped to handle their cloaking devices." Keevan-2: "But of course. Therefore, would it not be logical to officially enter into allegiance with the Dominion to offset this potential threat? Share with us your technology that we may end this destructive, wasteful conflict much more efficiently?" Sheliak Diplomat: "...Pursuant-2, paragraph 1090. I hereby formally request third party arbitration of our negotiations." Keevan-2: "You have the right." Sheliak Diplomat: "Furthermore. Pursuant-2, subsection-D3, I name the Grizellas to arbitrate." Keevan-2: "The... Grizellas?" Sheliak Diplomat: "Inconveniently, they are currently in their hibernation cycle. However, they will awaken in six months, at which time we can settle this matter." Keevan-2: "B-but-!" Sheliak Diplomat: "This exchange is over."

[@D_U_N_C_L_E]

What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

[@turkur4738]

I have no strong feelings one way or the other.

[@davidvanvranken1595]

@@turkur4738tell my wife…I left the oven on

[@stephenconroy5908]

All I know is my gut says 'maybe'.

[@TheRezro]

Only strength. You can't be neutral from position of weakness.

[@afoolandhismoneychannel]

OK, Zapp.

[@jpaulc441]

Near the end of DS9 when the Dominion forces started getting encircled I wondered if other smaller Alpha Quadrant powers would join the Federation alliance against them. Such a thing happened in the later stages of World War 2 when you had formerly neutral countries, like many in South America declaring war on the Axis. It would also be nice to see some one-off aliens we saw throughout TNG again - some had quite powerful ships.

[@farshnuke]

That's the strength of the Federation. It has all these contacts. I can imagine ships stopping by to be like "Just so you're aware there's a war going on and we are doing our best to see it doesn't affect you but if you can spare some supplies or volunteers I'm sure they'd be appreciated.

[@volbound1700]

I think it did happen and I just posted something about this a few minutes ago about the Ferengi who were thought to have openly joined the war in the very late stage.

[@TimothyChapman]

The Dominion are very good at turning the local powers against them.

[@micketm3]

I mean, they did orchestrate the Hurq aggression against the Klingons... thus the klingons became very warlike... The Dominion should had been wiped from the starmap 😅 They're rly evil !!

[@ZontarDow]

The Federation's greatest strength is its sheer unparalleled industrial might and this naturally pulls anyone willing to trade into its orbit.

[@pimptom8704]

Yeah me and my buddy Gala were short selling Dominion stocks round the end.

[@markmccall3813]

I’ve heard cardassian real estate can be had cheap

[@pimptom8704]

Yeah, I knew a couple of guys who bought some empty lots on septimus. ​@@markmccall3813

[@Adelina-293]

Not to mention all the Dominion surplus one can sell for a quick profit.

[@vortega472]

The more I get into the Star Trek universe - the more I really like the Ferengi - they were probably the most pragmatic. Once they showed their true selves, they proved very flexible. The episode: The Magnificent Ferengi - when the Vorta tells Quark that one day they will take their place in the Dominion, Quark responds: Anything is possible. And he meant it, if it's good for the Ferengi Alliance to join they will. in the Rules of Aquisition remember: War is good for Business. Also, Peace is good for Business. My favorite is of course Rule of Acquisition number 76: Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies.

[@comentedonakeyboard]

Deep down everyone is a Ferengi.

[@death13a]

It's important to have Neutral powers when there is conflict. Neutrality ground allows to conduct prisoners exchanges and have possibly of ceasefire.

[@vallettapetracyneran8587]

As diplomats I have always admired the Tholians. They always seem to come down on the right side of history.

[@Wilahelm2]

As a wise man once said “I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me.” -Captain Zapp Brannigan.

[@NitpickingNerd]

I have no feelings one way or the other. tell my wife I said... Hello

[@hanshawks5088]

He was better than Picard and Janeway

[@JinnWorld]

In fairness he didn't say that until after the year 3000, more then 620 years after the dominion war and after the federation had been replaced with the democratic order of planets.

[@dabluflcn]

"What makes a man turn neutral..." - Zapp Brannigan, Brannigan's Law

[@BoisegangGaming]

9:07 "The Sheliac will not be told to do anything." Ah so they're huskies, got it.

[@sodadrinker89]

Huskies made out of black trash bags.

[@KingOfMadCows]

This is why they should have done a show set after the Dominion War. The aftermath of the war set the stage for so many interesting stories. The chaos and power vacuum created by the war allows them to being back a lot of aliens we haven't seen much of, and introduce brand new aliens. They could have factions like the Orions or Nausicaans taking advantage of the situation to raid more and expand their criminal networks. Isolationist factions like the Tholians may decide that they need to get more involved in interstellar politics so they don't find themselves surrounded by a hostile power. There could be a proliferation of dangerous technology, with minor powers suddenly being able scavenge Dominion weapons or cloning technology. They can have a new major power exploiting the post-war weakness of the Klingons and Cardassians to fill the power vacuum.

[@Meritania]

It’s a period I like to call ‘Pax Alpha’, where there is a post-dominion war carthasis between the main powers, yeah the Pakleds kick off but this fizzles out quickly when they make their homeworld uninhabitable. The Borg are reeling from the damage done by Janeway. A brief respite of peace for a few decades before the Hobrus supernova goes off and shit the hits the fan.

[@MetalheadAndNerd]

Now I'm missing good Star Trek again. 😢

[@farshnuke]

I recommend the Star Trek books but that would have been so cool. It's almost like they did not want to answer those questions though.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

_"When surrounded by war, one must eventually choose a side."_ Now whether that side is an existing faction or a new faction is more up in the air. An intriguing look at the lesser powers adjacent to the Dominion War, they often don't get enough screen time. A lot of neat compare & contrast between them and their preeminent formats in diplomacy.

[@philly83]

Being neutral is just to build up your forces before you

[@jprice6419]

Loved this one. Neutrality by a individual or Nation/Empire is never easy. True strength is knowing when to act and when not to join your friends.

[@Aleiza_49]

This is what I love about this channel, the attention to detail is just impeccable ❤

[@volbound1700]

So there are a lot of lore items out there that state the Ferengi did join the Alliance fully in the last year or so. This kind of aligns to nations like Turkey in WW2 that declared on the Axis towards the end to join the UN. It was part of the charter of the UN for nations to declare war on the Axis. I think the Ferengi were really pushed due to the kidnapping of Mogi (I hope I got her name right) and the actions of Quark and Rom to help Sisco retake DS9. The Dominion then saw the Ferengi as enemies. Some lore states that in the battle at the end of DS9, Ferengi ships were in that Alliance fleet.

[@speciesto3065]

The Talarians are in an interesting position there and I imagine they leveraged a lot of gain from it. TNG implied their tech was about a century behind the Federation's, so I would expect if they were smart they negotiated a major industrial and tech upgrade from the Dominion in exchange to take on the renewed antagonist role you mention, and probably let Dominion ships freely transit their space as the return. They probably came out of the war quite a bit ahead of where they were at the start, like an equivalent of a North Korea suddenly getting an infusion of tech from China.

[@OllamhDrab]

They'd be an interesting case to speculate on, they're warlike, somewhat xenophobic, blatantly sexist, seemingly pretty proudly-independent, (And they'd be dealing with a power mostly represented by formless Founders, sexless-if-butch Jem Hadar and cloned Vorta) ...also apparently pretty conservative *about* new tech or anything that might change their way of life too much. I wonder if the Dominion would have really offered them much more than hollow promises of leaving them alone, individual flattery and I dunno, maybe bigger guns.

[@antwan1357]

Dude I never get tired of your content , thanks for making this.

[@peterlandry4058]

Excellent as always! How about the Orion Syndicate?

[@chrisbeauvais7499]

They had bilsby try to kill a klingon for the dominion remember

[@volbound1700]

I think the Orion people are in the Federation at this point. The Syndicate is just a mofia-type organization and they will support anyone that advances them.

[@Sargonarhes]

The Orion Syndicate were pretty much a group of pirates, they'd most likely sell services just like mercenaries as well. But would probably lean Federation because of less strict punishments. This plays off the Ferengi rule of "Punishable by a fine means legal for a price." Where as the Dominion punishment could be anything from long confinement to execution, who wants to play by those rules.

[@followerofjulian1652]

Excellent political & diplomatic analysis. "We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow." Lord Palmerston - speech, House of Commons, 1 March 1848

[@miriam4235]

Is 'fluidic lifeform' a term used in cannon? I like it. Don't remember hearing it before.

[@SiXiam]

After running into Picard the Sheliak began the third party arbitration crackdown. To remove third party arbitration of unavailable parties from all contracts their legal scholars debated and enacted laws, which wasn't finished until the Dominion war was over. At least that's what I imagine them doing.

[@poil8351]

honestly the Dominion proabbly gave up when trying to negotiate with the sheilak and finding that the list of legal stipulations would take several years to finalize.

[@TerrenceChilds-xz3xu]

Another great episode about the Dominion war as always

[@toriasdax2166]

I would like to see a video involving the Mercenaries of the Dominion war. Specifically space battles and how the Allies or Dominion used them in their fleet doctrine. But if there aren’t a lot of those examples or space battles that happened during the War it still would be interesting to know what impact they had or how they were used during the war.

[@weldonwin]

I Hate those damned Neutrals Kif! With enemies you know where you stand, but with Neutrals, who knows? - *Zap Brannigan*

[@Renwoxing13]

Awesome video ! One of the best trek videos on KZbin, and i watch alot of trek channels !

[@markshaw431]

I love the Star Trek lore on this channel simply amazing

[@frankowalker4662]

"Are you part of the Dominion ?" "No." "Will you join the Dominion ?" "No." "You will join the Dominion !"

[@davelamphier2709]

There are a couple that were left out, the Orions who obviously leaned towards the Dominion in DS9, & The K'zinti Patriarchy, not to mention smaller powers like the Skorr, Mirak, etc.

[@yaang9258]

Love your videos, but one slight change. The Dominion did use negotiations in the Gamma Quadrant, however any system that didn't join them would be dealt with using bioweapons or Jem'hadar soldiers. But the Vorta were used to start diplomatic talks before any drastic steps were taken.

[@VkmSpouge]

Ah an episode dedicated to the Space Swiss of the 24th Century.

[@poil8351]

the tholians had a bit of reputation for being less than completely honest at times. they clearly a major player in the temporals wars.

[@cross3052]

War doesn't decide who is right, only who is left.

[@CristySFM1234]

2:15 thousands of years and one genocide if you count the starfleet battles lore

[@johnn9977]

Great work as always!!

[@jeffhallam2004]

He’s amazing

[@JohnyTran-w9o]

I wonder how independent human factions (like the Hysperians) dealt with the war. Did they rally behind the human giant or just provided support or in some cases even act against the federation?

[@rex290]

Lots of room for interesting stories. I imagine a bunch did nothing and waited to see what was going to happen. Through after Dominion bruality became more apparent I expect there was a steady shift to supporting the Federation out of fear of becoming victims of a galactic human genocide after a dominion victory.

[@epsilontic]

3:18 This is like China's "Belt & Road" deception.

[@Ilovenoodlesrip]

Yay! more thollian content.

[@Gymbro_069]

lets go i've been waiting for this

[@joonaa2751]

What about the Miradorn? They’re specifically mentioned in the show as one of the ”major powers” that have signed a non-aggression pact with the Dominion.

[@joshuawalsh8688]

Love your videos, dont usally comment. I was curious on your take of the Orion Syndicate in the sense of a neutral power, it's more complicated then these factions you've listed as from most sources I've seen the organization is largely an NGO in nature, despite this it's presence in the lore is significant and persistent. Given that while the Dominion War is not entirely analogous to the second world war but does share a certain basic framework, I was thinking the Syndicate could have played a role in the liberation of certain worlds much like the Sicilian Mafia played a role in the liberating of Sicily. Just curious on your thoughts.

[@farshnuke]

The thing is that DS9 never really focused on the neutral powers. The closest we get is the Romulans and they do not stay Neutral and their neutrality in the first place seemed to stem from an anti federation Bias. It is interesting however that Both Federation and Dominion try to make out like they are the goodies by respecting neutral powers so the neutrals do make sense as political obstacles to deal with lest you flip them to the other side. I genuinely hadn't considered what the Tholians might think about the Dominion War. I guess I quietly assumed that by the TNG era they were part of the Federation.

[@gnatinator]

Really cool episode.

[@bellvnv2000]

I think Tholian's are cute ! ❤ "YOUR JUDGMENT OF ME MEANS NOTHING I'VE HAVE SEEN WHAT GIVES YOU JOY !" 😂

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

Dominion: The power of NOne Federation: The PoWeR of MOOONEEEYYYY

[@revolcane]

Did the Talarians ever progress past X-Ray lasers? Even if they got hostile all they gonna do is blow themselves up.

[@Vandelberger]

I was wondering how the Ferengi markets worked in the Dominion war.

[@hanshawks5088]

I would love a episode with all of them coming together 😮😮😮

[@UniversalChallenge4454]

Ferengi were pro federation as the federation was their best customer

[@maxwellpauric00]

fresh star fleet ofiicers make for the best scams

[@farshnuke]

An entire galactic power bristling with technology and industry where the average person has grown up without awareness or need of currency. The Ferengi must love them.

[@joshuahadams]

@@farshnuke How many new officers and enlisted folk did Quark fleece in his bar, I wonder?

[@wedgeantillies66]

A very interesting video and loved how the concept of being true to ones word and the dominions failure to keep its given word. Undermined its diplomacy wholesale with neutrals eventually driven to support the federation in one way or another, because you could trust the federations word. Though in subject of Ferengi, not only did it make good business to side with the federation, but the dominion blotted itself copybook with the grand negus as well by holding his consort to ransom and trying to have his eventual successor executed.

[@thestanleys3657]

If the Dominion had won the war the "neutral" powers that rendered aid(no matter how marginal) may have received preferential treatment in the future make up of the alpha/beta quadrant however ultimately you could never really trust the Dominion to not muscle in on you whenever they see fit

[@poil8351]

the tholians no doubt had their own agenda and probably were more than happy for the dominion and the federation and klingons to bloody themselves as it gather them the ability to get up to whatever temporal shenanigans they were upto. the tholians were rather secretive and paranoid. as for the ferengi they were officially neutral they were the basically running a bsckdoor intelligence service for the federation. the most legalistic bunch were the sheliack. they were totally committed to legalise. i think the sheilak were extremely unlike to get involved.

[@bidet1515]

great explanation of the lore !

[@poil8351]

the sona were fully allied to the dominion and were even protecting certian dominion planets and suppling them with ketracel white.

[@warwolf88]

sometimes not taking a side in a conflict is the best choice when u consider how it affects you and your people's survival and prosperity

[@OllamhDrab]

This was an outstanding idea for a video, VG, I bet you could do more breaking down each one in detail. :)

[@Psych1_-]

love your videos!

[@Marcus51090]

TIMBER his arms wide……..I’d point out the SONA tech was far more advanced than federation they achieved warp drive in the mid 20th century…… I don’t think the dominion enhanced there fleet much…… Damar did say a line to wayon “ the sona can protect there own facilities”

[@TK199999]

It also didn't hurt that all the reports from the Gamma Quadrant were powers there were either enslaved by the Dominion or afraid they were going to be enslaved by the Dominion. No one had a positive view of Founders, even members like the Karama (the Docii were minor members) who were seen as premiant members of the Dominion still lived in fear of it. In fact it calling races like the Karama and Docii as members of the Dominion was just a polite turn for vassal states again enslaved to the Founders.

[@stevealexander5344]

This is why Sisko was right to bait the Romulans into the war. They were already on the menu once the Klingons and federation were defeated.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Indeed I wounder if its worth doing a video on what the romulan warplan was before they joined

[@matthewbardos4424]

Great episode!

[@robinburt5735]

Where do you get your sources from btw? i have doubts on the canon on a lot of what you're saying. It seems like heresay and conjecture.

[@SpaceCase1214]

So the Tholians are just the Swiss in space?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

yeah basically

[@mellosunflower]

The Dominion holding Ishka as a hostage never made any sense. The Ferengi were neutral and Ishka was Zek's mate.

[@jeffhallam2004]

Great video as usual!!!!

[@FrakkinGaiusBaltar]

Ohhh I really like that remade/reimagined Gorn saucer ship from early FASA, is that new art?

[@Kyoummi]

nuetrality is hard as some one from the republic of ireland there was tremendous pressure during ww2 by the british and usa to take part the irish government resisted how you see that is upto you but i will say the republic kept northern ireland fed arrested any and all german spies and were definately a biased nuetral during ww2

[@krim7]

I was always a little intrigued by the idea that the Sheliak Corporate did not get involved in the war.

[@merafirewing6591]

Would've been interesting if neither neutral nation couod stay neutral for very long.

[@andrewbutton2039]

It just occurred to me, would the federation have tried to buy out the ferengi supplies of ketracel white, either to make it rare and/or expensive, or to poison it and leave it as spoils of war to kill off a bunch of Jem'Hadar, or perhaps to just wipe out production capacity by depleting the resources to make it?

[@farshnuke]

I want to be aghast and say "The Federation would never do that." but I think numerous episodes mention or show raids on Ketracel white production facilities. Although it would be a difficult tightrope to walk as you don't want to end up making it financially worth increasing the supply.

[@andrewbutton2039]

@@farshnuke the Dominion don't really have a financial base in the alpha quadrant, the Cardassians are fairly resource poor nationalists, the breen are an unknown quantity but i suspect they would be reluctant to finance the entire war. I think the federation could potentially buy every drop of ketracel (or it's constituent ingredients) the ferengi produce at double the going rate and try to bankrupt the dominion. The dominion get to choose between a large fleet they can't crew or a large army of jemmies they can't take anywhere. That's probably an overly simplistic take on it though.

[@andrewbutton2039]

@@farshnuke the Dominion don't really have a financial base in the alpha quadrant, the Cardassians are fairly resource poor nationalists, the breen are an unknown quantity but i suspect they would be reluctant to finance the entire war. I think the federation could potentially buy every drop of ketracel (or it's constituent ingredients) the ferengi produce at double the going rate and try to bankrupt the dominion. The dominion get to choose between a large fleet they can't crew or a large army of jemmies they can't take anywhere. That's probably an overly simplistic take on it though.

[@farshnuke]

@@andrewbutton2039 except there are a lot of powers with wealth within the alpha quadrant that would be willing to keep the war going just to screw over the federation a bit. There's also the strong humanitarian incentive to provide an essential medicine to those that need it. If the Federation finances a boom in Ketracel white production just so they can deny it to the enemy then that opens the door for small actors within the alpha quadrant to skim off supplies. It's not like Ferengi are known for their principles

[@ArturiusMaxwell]

The audio at 08:40 made me think I had a spooky story playing somewhere

[@Wolfen443]

Interesting background to the war in the series. Too bad the background of these stories was not covered so much. I

[@Virtue2721]

This is an odd one but. What about the first federation? They are clearly there and have at least historical amiability to the federation but we hear nothing of them in the dominion war.

[@EmonWBKstudios]

"If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything"

[@MarK-x9y]

Cool 👍

[@robertmcneil1295]

Gorn and Klingons

[@Malbeefance]

Neutrals disgust me! With an enemy, you know where you stand. With a neutral you can never be sure.

[@nitehawk86]

War. What is it good for?

[@comentedonakeyboard]

After being presented with the "you're either with us, or against us" choice, the Q decided to troll everyon and stay neutral.

[@Interns-Eternal-Empire]

do a video on sonar battleship ?

[@mikewaterfield3599]

We’re the Ferengi really neutral though? Especially when they screwed with the Nagus’s girl friend?

[@Twitchguy]

The miradorn? They signed non aggression pack to. What about the nibaright alliance?

[@michaelgreiner-qp4iz]

Im curious an off topic did the dominion ever have dealings with the Borg?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Not that we know of

[@DonDiesel885]

DARMOK AND JALAD AT TANAGRA ‼️

[@KJAkk]

What about the Hydran, Lyran, and Mirak?

[@nanoreaper5002]

I do have a question about Star Trek in general and this because i have never seen a video from anyone on this, what where the Ground combat vehicles used by the Romulans, Star Fleet , the Klingons, and the other powers?

[@farshnuke]

There's a star trek book set after the Dominion War that shows the Enterprise-E effectively acting as the army sent in to enact martial law after things go south and they make heavy use of shuttles and runabouts etc... I think one of the things implied is that in war the ground tends to get churned up a lot from weapon's fire, debris and stuff so flying over it is just better.

[@AndersonNeo12]

Like in Star Wars, the neutral banking clan cause only a sith deals in absolutes 😊

[@maxwallace2123]

Wasn't Bajor being neutral a huge plot point?

[@hanshawks5088]

Were were the Sheliak and Children of Tamar dar mock and tener at tenoga

[@patrickbasin9389]

I believe that the Miradorn were also neutral

[@hanshawks5088]

What happened to those sake people ???

[@bartlester591]

And the problem with being neutral is at some point if one side wins and the other doesn’t, let’s say the dominion won I guarantee you they wouldn’t have let the tholens remain neutral. They would’ve come in and come in and forced, and would have either wiped them out or subjugated them. Who knows they might put them on their wall wall decorations

[@seansteinbacher6449]

Would the First Federation be neutral during the Dominion war or where they already a member of the Federation by the 24th century?

[@volbound1700]

I think they are in the Federation but I could be wrong. They are pretty far from the front as well.

[@fien111]

What makes a man turn neutral?