Sony Bravia Theater: Bar 9 vs Quad

[@awesomehli]

Get this man to 100k subs so compounding can do it's job and take him to a 1 million+ channel, deservedly! Nobody comes close in effort as he does. So many KZbinrs say it's "hard work" and that's some top tier Oscar Meyer! This is what hard work looks like. He's needs to be doing this full time!

[@neverenoughtech]

I’m feeling hyped!

[@michael-4k4000]

He should have 250k easily.......

[@Mr21scott]

I enjoy this channel and watch it frequently. But reality check: this is NOT 'hard work'. Being in the armed services is hard work. Fighting fires is hard work. Working as an ER nurse is hard work. Making videos for KZbin about electronics isn't hard work. P.S. the possessive form is spelled "its", with no apostrophe.

[@FaithFallRepentGraceRepeat]

@@Mr21scott There are different classes of “hard work”. Babysitting a rambunctious child is hard work. Taking leaves can be hard work. Let’s not diminish someone’s hard work because it’s not manual labor.

[@neverenoughtech]

@@Mr21scott I think there is an interesting discussion that may help delineate physical work, important work, life saving work which might contribute to meeting the requirement of "hard" work. I'm not a natural at this YT thing, I actually started this to get over a fear of being on camera. This channel takes up pretty much all the time I have after career and family. Each of these comparison videos take well over 100 hours to complete as I do it all myself (which is probably foolish) - more talented people could do it in much less time and is probably less challenging for them. Is this the most labor intensive work? No. Is it the most important work? No. Does it take quite a bit of physical effort, cognitive effort, creative effort, willful effort? Absolutely - I'm not unfamiliar with work - this feels hard to me.

[@zootopiashow]

Watched your previous one and got the Quad + SW5 ... OMG this is a game changer. I love it

[@neverenoughtech]

Nice to know I’m not imagining things

[@zootopiashow]

@@neverenoughtech Never :) I was a bit skeptical due to the flat speaker design, but once you listen to it in action you get the same experience (or even better) you get in a real cinema theater. Not only loud but super immersive. BTW, I'm pairing the Quad with Sony A95L 77 and using the TV as a center channel, and I can hear the voice coming from actor's mouth

[@neverenoughtech]

I’m gonna have to get a proper Sony tv at some point

[@eliomarnahr201]

@@neverenoughtechBravia 9, 85“…

[@scotsmanmike]

@@neverenoughtechI can confirm that the sound on the a95l is so good you’d swear you were listening to a receiver & decent speakers I can only speak for my experience (apparently the Bravia 9 is great too) As part of the theatre quad system as a centre channel I fail to see how it could possibly miss, that’s how confident I am & why I’m aiming for (.I think probably) the theatre quad unless I get an offer on the hta9 I can’t refuse

[@rickm409]

Love your content Dan. Could you compare the HT-7000 against the Bar 9?? thanks!

[@mohamedalkaboom]

Ya one is beautiful and expensive looking and the other one is a pitiful looking cloth wrapped shit💩

[@neverenoughtech]

I like honesty, almost definitely not as I think A7000 interest is limited and I found the bar underwhelming. I'd argue there are underwhelming aspects of the Bar 9 too (mostly in build) though I do find it an overall better product. I think the viewership (along with myself) are more interested in reviewing new products and comparisons between latest gen products. Though its not totally lost on me that your post is one of the more liked ones ... if it can get up to 50 I'll correct my thinking 🙂

[@ryanvalentine7793]

@@neverenoughtechdid you review the A7000 after updates? I started with the Arc system, then moved to the Q990C and ended up worth the A7000 with RS5 and SW5 (then hooked up a basic klipsch sub as my final build). It wins out hands down for my setup.

[@ClaudioAguileraMunoz]

I love the sarcastic Adam Driver vibes, you have a new subscriber.

[@neverenoughtech]

That comparison has gotten more flattering over time

[@maxtheflyingdutchman23]

You raised the bar yet again!

[@matyas.hunyadi]

you deserved my "I have a lot of space behind my couch" comment :D

[@neverenoughtech]

No humility

[@cuttyone70]

Thanks! Keep up good work

[@neverenoughtech]

Many thanks! The support means a lot 🙂

[@cuttyone70]

Thanks!

[@neverenoughtech]

Appreciated!

[@BorisYeh_]

What can I say? Daniel you just crushed it again! I do feel to ask SONY to apologize for the HDMI space for too short 😂

[@neverenoughtech]

I'm still waiting ... radio silence on their end

[@andrewdubose9968]

I started with the A7000, SW-3, and a 75 inch X95J. The sub was on backorder, so I had 2 or 3 weeks with just the soundbar. After several months, the TV went kaput. Fortunately, they replaced it with the X90K, so now I have S-Center. A few months later, I came across a heavily discounted (sub $250) SW-5 in the NFM clearance section. Brand new, never opened, full warranty, packaging undamaged. Purchased and listed the SW-3 on eBay later that night. Waited for one of the periodic RS-5 sales and picked up the final infinity stones. Bar: I haven’t heard the A9000, but the A7000 is still _really_ good. Sub: SW-5, but only if it’s at or below $499. Otherwise, go for the SW-3. Rears: the sound bar sounds great on its own, but the RS-5s really take it to that next level. Don’t even think about the RS-3. Haven’t heard them, but I stand by that statement. S-Center: enough brownie points to tip the scales in favor of a Sony TV for your Sony soundbar or a Sony soundbar to go with your Sony TV.

[@ChristopherX30]

Fantastic video! I just bought the Sony Quad Theater system.....SUBSCRIBED!!!!

[@neverenoughtech]

I think you’ll dig it!

[@mikkirurk1]

Great content, man, you're gonna be big! Keep it up!

[@neverenoughtech]

Many thanks!

[@michael-4k4000]

Excellent review! your video's are the best! thank you for making them....

[@neverenoughtech]

Much appreciated!

[@Saitama07]

Deezer and nuts have been my goto music service for a while now, great to see them being supported

[@gamerguildhd3529]

thats.... hilarious

[@darrencheng5595]

Just grab my Quad and SW5 sub today to replace Ambeo Max and Ambeo sub, placement strictly follow Sony guide and done calibration. After few hours listen to them, my current rating is sound quality Ambeo Max 100 Quad 85, immersive Ambeo Max 90 Quad 100. With good placement and wall to bounce the Ambeo will really shine and will understand why Sennheiser think that it’s good enough with the bar alone. Btw Ambeo sub gets much deeper than SW5 sub, but lighter weight, don’t know how to describe it by words. Sony’s sound field does make some changes but it’s kinda mix, really depends on what you are playing, Sennheiser’s Ambeo effect does really great job for up mixing, it’s another level comparing to Sony, this is the biggest gap I can tell between both of them.

[@johnrambo6990]

I had the quad and loved it, separation is 2nd to none, but should be for what they are. I was able to score the Sonos with 300s for $500 cheaper so I figured I’d give it a try, WOW! In my living space I was able to get a louder system and the Atmos is, in my opinion better. The front separation is obviously not as good with a bar vs separate speakers, but it’s close. Both systems are phenomenal, but like I said, it will depend on the room you’re using the system in. Sorry for the long post. Also, thanks again for reviewing systems that most won’t due to needing to be paid or get a freebie (AR)😂

[@neverenoughtech]

I’ll just say I own 40 Sonos components - ignoring the current software situation - Sonos has traditionally been on a tier of its own from a total experience standpoint. So not surprised people would like Sonos - I think the sound profile is quite different which will appeal to many. If I had to live by the AR creed, I wouldn’t have many videos unfortunately

[@johnrambo6990]

@@neverenoughtech 😂😂

[@MattyDaddy14]

Excellent review as always!! Hoping you get to 100k soon! Btw. I finally heard the bar 9 in an electronics store scenario paired to my phones Apple Music.. the sound stage was really good and clean considering the environment!! Seemed to have a higher quality cleaner sound than the A7000! 🎉 just imo 🎉

[@9blunted]

Absolutely love your reviews. Keep it up!

[@neverenoughtech]

Helps to hear!

[@kevkeisha]

How does the Don't Quad compare to the Sonos Arc system. Which one has better theater/atmost performance? Thanks for your work!!

[@koruki]

I’m juggling between q990D or the Quads. Not the same price but happy to spend more.

[@S1mmz]

If you can have the speakers at least 2.5m-3.5 wide then get the quads, if you can't then go for the 990D.

[@bryanrivera1528]

Are we getting a Quad vs Dragon comparison video down the line?

[@neverenoughtech]

Yes but probably amongst a bigger comparison

[@adamtindal3057]

@@neverenoughtech will the Ambeo be included in that as well?

[@stephenlowes2161]

do you think the quad set up is as good as the sony STR1000 AVR with decent speakers (2 ceiling). Im looking for one or the other and curious if the AVR is still alot better or is the difference minimal and not worth the extra work. Thanks

[@n0validusername]

If you have a compatible Sony Tv (I have an 85X95J), there is a 7 band equalizer on the tv itself you can use to tailor the sound. Settings>sound>sound customization> equalizer.

[@karthikr177]

Wow!!! another amazing video.❤ Awaiting the A9 vs Quad vs Arc vs D vs dragon comparison Somehow i always feel sony charges us atleast 200% for a 25% increase in quality😅. And somehow i also feel samsung is the better value for money product in the soundbar space😊. May be my prejudice. Thanks a lot again, Love from India ❤.

[@LaMont4theW]

Went with the Bravia 7 75 inch and the bar 9 /w sub. Perfect setup with use of the zoom 3 that sounds great compared to just going with the quads without a sony tv. Was surprised how much the zoom 3 helped with vocals in movies (not a gimmick)which was a big deal for me! 👍

[@michael-4k4000]

wow, nice set up. just out of curiosity, could u just hook up the sub to the Bravia 7/9 without the sound bar?

[@LaMont4theW]

@@michael-4k4000 Need the soundbar

[@gewoonjasper_]

Voicezoom 3.0 is actually real good. You can also lower the voices if you want to!

[@neverenoughtech]

I suspect it’s good particularly with bigger high end TVs. Thanks for sharing

[@chibbyylol]

On the quads, did you experiment with the ‘height of sound field’ setting? Which one did you end up on that sounded best? I feel as though I like ‘lower’ more than the other two despite the speakers even left and right of the tv

[@ethansaunders5631]

Is the theatre quads better than the Sonos ultimate immersive system?

[@milesprebble3820]

I spent hours trying to dig up any proper reviews on the Bar 9 before pulling the trigger on one but that was 3 weeks ago and at the time there was next to no info online aside from headline specs. So I ended up going for the 990D which was decidedly cheaper and has, as well all know, a pretty stellar reputation. What I’m really interested to hear from you though is what do you think about the Bar 9 with the SW5 and RS5s in comparison to the 990D??? Do tell…. Did I make the right choice with the 990D or should I have waited for more reviews from the Sony?

[@dazzaw4681]

Should have waited, it's all over now.... 🥲

[@milesprebble3820]

@@dazzaw4681how do you mean?

[@skmadam-h2m]

How would these systems be comparable with dedicated 5.1.2 setup utilizing Klipsch Reference speakers and any of the entry level AVRs like Onkyo TX-NR6100/Sony STR-AN1000/Denon AVR-X1800H?

[@NatsFan18]

Where will you mix in the bar eight? I just recently got it and am very excited.

[@ben1099]

hello out of curiosity does the quads sound good when the speaker placements are not optimal? Since most people probably who buy quads are after the “place it anywhere” feature. 1. small rooms: front under wall mounted tv , rears directly beside sofa 2. Bigger rooms: fronts well placed, rears maybe 1 slightly further than the other and not equidistance from left and right, imagine like the walls are 6-9feet from the back of the sofa

[@Icipher4]

Your review formats are among my favorite. I need a new setup and am considering quad with sw-5 sub vs Sonos ultimate immersive. Not concerned with music, just want to be blown away with impact when watching movies. Which option am i better off with?

[@snaplash]

Thinking of replacing my non-4k AVR and it's huge speakers with the quad a d new TV. However, I'd lose FM radio, which I still use occasionally.

[@technation7769]

what is best stand for Quad?

[@Kung_Fu_Kenny]

Could you review the Bar 8? I got one to pair with a 55” A95L in a small bedroom set up. Debating if I should add SW3 or SW5 sub.

[@timepassartist]

I came looking and glad I landed on your page. Seriously considering the Q990D. Question is would it pair well with a LG C2? I realise the hand-off feature may not work seamlessly. Or should I consider future proofing my selection with the new Sony Quad?

[@MRSTEEL15]

Is the best setup to get the Quads and 1 SW5 ? and no need for the Bar 9 ?

[@wellyboot]

Wild that you’ve had largely positive experience with the Bar 9 and optional rears and sub vs Andrew Robinson who seemed to absolutely hate it to the point where he purchased two to check his first wasn’t a dud. My experience has been great so far. I think room calibration makes a huge difference to the spatial mapping, I’ve noticed even a slight change in calibration position makes a large impact on the sound.

[@neverenoughtech]

The quad is better I think we agree on that … I suspect he was more sensitive by some of the weaknesses than me. But I rarely watch other reviews before publishing (and rarely after) so I can keep my independence. I agree that the bar 9 takes some tuning to get it to sound right

[@teodormiciol6503]

I truly enjoy your stuff, I’ve never laughed/chuckled so much during a tech video, and super informative as well. Question: I live in an apartment, the walls are not super thin, but still, I can get a bit paranoid with the sub from my current Q990C. I’m considering buying the Quad, but without the sub, only quad. Do you think that the sound would be satisfactory enough? Like, enough bass without any risk of feeling paranoid when watching blurays? Thanks!

[@neverenoughtech]

If you are moving from the C and haven’t been arrested you should be good. No sub with this system makes me sad but less sad than with the A9

[@teodormiciol6503]

@@neverenoughtech thanks!

[@S1mmz]

Yeah, next on the list should be to definitely add a A95L or a Bravia 9 into the mix. Definitely helps take the quads to an even greater level, especially now that the tv gets included in the calibration and the speakers play in unison unlike the original model where they played independently. While it makes things even more expensive it's worth it if going 3m wide, really does feel like having a dedicated center and allows the fronts speakers to perform even greater.

[@_kiryl]

I recently bought bar 9 with SW5 subwoofer (there was some discount, so managed to buy both of them new for ~1590 USD in Europe, thought it's nice deal). But the price for SA-RS5 seems a bit high just for 2 years old rears (around 741 USD in Europe). Do you know if Sony has any plans to release new lineup for rear speakers? Maybe it is worth to wait to see what they offer there

[@madebyut]

How is the dialogue performance of the phantom center channel? Like I have A9 and as long as I am sitting in the center, I can perceive the sound to be coming from the center of the screen. But if I move off-center (a little left or right), I can feel voice coming from the front speaker nearest to my position. Do the quads have the same problem?

[@MickeyBadBad]

I just bought Dragon, and it is still in shipment. what is your opinion of which one is better ~ I think Dragon beats all All-in-one soundbar system

[@S1mmz]

Dragon can go much louder and be more aggressive but it will be more direct sounding down the middle and front heavy. Some people prefer that though. Remember the bar is 147cm wide and the sound will expand beyond that but the quads you can place like double the size of that to 300cm and it will still extend beyond so the sound stage just won't compete with the quads. You also don't have any calibration tools on the Dragon so to perfect it you have to measure things and input the measurements manually and updated also require a usb drive. Don't get me wrong it is still a great device and the clarity will be more dynamic but again a lot more front heavy. Quads as all 4 speakers are the same size, you get the same dynamics and acoustics everywhere. It's more natural and raw sounding which again some people will like, otherwise will hate. It's personal preference though as to what you want. I always state that if you can have the front speakers at least 3m apart then you'll get a better sound stage and movie experience with better balanced rears. If you want sheer grunt slap you in the face, chest pounding bass, then the Dragon will be better.

[@MickeyBadBad]

@@S1mmz thank you for detailed answer, i look for dragon since 2023 CES, I know the part you mention and I'm a senior software developer so I like to deal with those things and tweak things around. 3m is also fine so I think I will enjoy it very much. Quad seems like sounds will very light ~

[@tamogami.R]

great reviews! congrats. I have two doubts: 1) In the Quad is there any chance to have a center channel besides using a compatible Sony TV? 2) Is the Quad accept two subs?

[@neverenoughtech]

No to both unless you are a really savvy hacker probably willing to disassemble hardware

[@tamogami.R]

@@neverenoughtech 😂I am not at this level. Thank you!

[@KennyPerry-t6w]

Thank you! My wife problem with the quad is the look and colour. We blacked out the ps5 as soon as we could. So the quad is not an option. I watch all you bar reviews. Looking for the best bar. But I have a 65 oled Sony A8 . Does that matter on the bar I buy? I’m leaning toward the Sony bar 9 with the s-5 and sub! Your thoughts would be appreciated.

[@S1mmz]

They blend in really seamlessly when wall mounted and look really nice. Black would be too intrusive, although it wouldn't be hard to find a cover to make them black.

[@neverenoughtech]

I can’t really get a handle on the aesthetics issue … bar 9 would be a strong possibility -- you might also consider the Ambeo plus with sub - that would be a stronger choice I think with just two components … In terms of finding the right system I suggest that you buy a system almost expecting to return it … it makes sense to get some exposure to various bars to get a sense of what works best with your particular ear. Beyond the plus you might consider arc and sub/sub mini / Bose and sub module as well. I think Bose makes the best looking bars

[@CADAVREFILMS]

Tidal just stopped its 360 service fyi.

[@neverenoughtech]

I’m learning this good and hard

[@CADAVREFILMS]

@@neverenoughtechNever ends....

[@JT-mc3ek]

Can you please please please do a comparison between the Bravia Quad (w/sub) vs the Sonos Ultimate Immersive Set w/ Arc Ultra

[@neverenoughtech]

End of year mega review

[@riccoocuban1169]

Great review...but Sony is ridiculously expensive i would choose Samsung q990c all times

[@neverenoughtech]

Samsung is there for you!

[@tgamirov]

Wonder if the center sync hiss is still an issue with the new gen bars. Sony had to replace tv motherboards to make the hiss go away.

[@Teku175]

They replaced the board on my X90K and it still hisses, but now with added coil whine/high pitched noise with the feature turned on! Off it goes.

[@tgamirov]

@@Teku175 thank you for the info. I want my A80j to work with one of these standalone Sony bars. I really like the sound coming out of the Oled and just want to add to it. I’ll probably pick up a used A5000 from Amazon and see what happens.

[@tgamirov]

@@Teku175 what is the bar you are using?

[@chucksimon2771]

Loved the review - wish you had a Bravia TV so I could have your thoughts on the center channel/TV thing. (I have a SONY A80L) Moving to a house with an 18x25 greatroom (9 ft ceilings) open in the rear. What do you think of the Bar 9 there? Thanks again!

[@RubenEASalas]

Great review! I have the HT-A9 and I will upgrade my tv to the Bravia 9. Was thinking about buying the soundbar 9 for a central speaker. Do you think that it would work together with the HT-A9? Thanks for the support.

[@neverenoughtech]

Nope don’t do that … not even an input in the bar to support … just meant for Sony TVs …

[@RubenEASalas]

@@neverenoughtech thanks!

[@haphzrd]

Great video! Very informative. Do you know if the base station be placed in the rear of the room, instead of the front? (my AV sources are in the rear of the room) Also, do the speakers need line-of-sight to the base station?

[@neverenoughtech]

The only issue there may be using the remote as it requires line of sight . But the speaker connectivity will be fine

[@S1mmz]

​@@neverenoughtech Who uses the remote 🤣 app all the way 😘

[@Steve30x]

I like the idea of the A9 and quad but for the price I could build a decent atmosphere system. I couldn't justify buying that for what they're asking price wise. I agree with what you said about the soundbar too. I heard the Samsung q990B in my brother in law's house and I could tell that front sound was coming from the soundbar without proper front left - right separation. It sounded like the sound is coming from three areas. You just can't beat having two front speakers for left and right sound. Soundbar manufacturers should make it possible to add two front speakers like the rear surround speakers that you can buy separately for their soundbars.

[@FaithFallRepentGraceRepeat]

When you build one; make a video and show us what you come up with that properly competes.

[@kusakabe3264]

i lurk reddit and the like, and everything people bring up building their own system, they link some equipment that have horrible markup prices in Australia which quickly overtakes the A9 in price. what's with the price of audio equipment here...

[@S1mmz]

The quads can hold their own on entry and some mid level wired systems these days. Might not have the level of clarity but then it's not bad and the immersiveness actually bests them.

[@paulcox2447]

Sony always adds their own tax to their products. You can get some full range nice towers for the money they charge, I'll say that. 🤷‍♂️

[@Steve30x]

@@kusakabe3264 you're comparing Australian prices. Everything in Australia is about 50% more expensive.

[@BaezLife]

I have the 7k, i love it with the flagship sub and rears. Would you recommend upgrading to the 9k? Thanks!

[@neverenoughtech]

Probably not if you are digging the 7k

[@BaezLife]

@@neverenoughtech I know but more is more...I'm disappointed by the lack of screen and smaller remote but it does sound better?

[@SD71232]

Voice zoom doesn’t work at all. Have you noticed that on your BTB9?

[@weakpig]

What if I don't have enough space to place the Quads for wide separation? Or if there are obstacles near my TV that prevent optimal placement of the Quads? Example, the TV in my room is directly under stairs so I probably only have space to mount the TV but may not have space at one side of the TV to wall mount the Quads as there's stairs in the way. I probably can try to place them in irregular positions but besides affecting the overall look, will it affect the surround bubble that I'm aiming for?

[@neverenoughtech]

The optimization tool will help bit of you need to hack your way to making it work you should probably skip … they’re expensive and you would want to access the majority of the value … it sounds like maybe the room does not allow for that

[@WanderingSolipsist]

I got the a7000 on clearance for half the price of the bar 9, would you place it double the price above ? :) (mulling it over in return window)

[@shaq6772]

I wonder how does the noise ultra compare this 🤔

[@pieflies]

I was looking forward to the bar 9, but disappointed in what it ended up being. I’ll go with the Q990D for now.

[@michael-4k4000]

The thing with putting the Quad on the wall is you need an electrician to i stall 4 outlets for the wall mounting. Personally I think the Quad is kinda weird looking, keep thinking it's a Lacie hard drive. I had no issue with the A9 design, and u just needed one screw to mount. I think Sonys third attempt at this product will fix all the issues, mainly with the look, setup for wall mounting, and the way the power cord connects. It's like Sony didn't put a lot of time in the end design and the power cord, well it's almost impossible to hide completely. For a wireless system, not seeing any wires is important.

[@S1mmz]

The power chords are really long, or you can just buy even longer ones if needed. Isn't that difficult to wall mount them and hide the cables in the wall or in trunking etc. The flat design works really well and the mount system is very secure this time round. Quite a few people knocked the originals off the wall with 1 screw. You'll always have a power issue unless they make the next version like their RS5 speakers but then you'll have to constantly be taking them off the wall to recharge which is even more hassle. They were also designed this way as the spatial mapping works differently to the originals. The originals relied heavily on the walls to bounce sound around, whereas the quads actually create the sound within the 4 speakers, hence they can be used in open spaces this time round.

[@OzzyMandias]

My Rears are a good 3 inches behind my ears, thought about pushing the wall back but the house would fall down so I'm still undecided...

[@neverenoughtech]

I don’t like all your hesitancy - are you committed or not?

[@alexsaraceno6144]

Great video my man. I'm going to go for the Quad in 2025 with the next gen Sony QD-Oled 77". The follow-up to the A95L (A95M ?). That will be my first Oled Tv with my first surround sound system. A match made in Heaven. Haha

[@6rban100k]

Same! But I was struggling to choose between the Quad and soundbar 9 because I don’t have a space behind the sofa it stuck on wall

[@Ragnarok20854]

Those both system is too expensive to me so i will go with samsung.

[@HassanGillani-el9xf]

What would you pick between this and nakamichi dragon?

[@neverenoughtech]

Normal consumer - the Quad - crazy yacht person - the dragon and four 12” subs

[@darksparda4]

Love the videos as always. I know you’ve probably gotten this question a lot but in terms of spatial effects and overall sound quality do you think the arc or the bar 9 is better?

[@neverenoughtech]

Bar 9 is more precise … I think the bar 9 sound quality is more modern and neat but the Sonos sound is fuller

[@darksparda4]

@@neverenoughtech appreciate you taking the time to get back to me. Can’t wait for the next video!

[@ravimitra148]

Can you use the Quad and Soundbar together? Lovely video 👋🏽

[@neverenoughtech]

No and thanks

[@ravimitra148]

@@neverenoughtech ah, the guy at Sony said you could use the soundbar as the centre channel

[@tarakaram9395]

Do a comparison of sony quad vs nakamichi dragon

[@giacintorenta7579]

Please review the Sonos Ace TV audio swap - we need an audio expert like you to properly review that feature and weather it really feels like 7.1.4 or just glorified stereo

[@Joe-sm2wz]

hi there , i’ve a really tricky situation, i own a 83inch a90j , would love to purchase the quad but here in the uk it’s £2400 plus the cost of the sub £600 , but i can get the samsung 990c new for £860 , what are your thoughts captain wit 🤭

[@MrWesWeston]

I have 20 ft vaulted ceiling with approx 12 ft of room behind the couch which is centered in the room. Cant wait to hear the Bravia

[@neverenoughtech]

🛥️ 🏝️

[@weakpig]

So for such a high ceiling, are you expected to set the height settings to High? I have a high ceiling too

[@ryanvalentine7793]

How is the Quad system off-angle, seating-wise?

[@neverenoughtech]

Pretty durable to various angles … I haven’t really tried a 90 degree but 45 seemed fine

[@ryanvalentine7793]

@@neverenoughtech so I have an L-shaped sectional in my basement with the Sony 85x95L (been messing around with the center channel assist), and a recliner off to the side about 30 degrees off center. Around 11 feet from where the right front speaker would be, and the right rear would be directly behind me. I understand that it wouldn't feel like I'm dead center - just want it to be tolerable and not a huge drop off from my A7000 (with rears), which is really solid since their recent updates.

[@Lovethelifeyoulive007]

I am still hesitating between the quad and the Sonos immersive set (Arc, Sub, 2x Era300), as you heard both any comment that can help me choose please?

[@neverenoughtech]

I think both are quite good choices … Sonos has a less modern profile - maybe a little thicker but I’d say less precise - the 300s add fireworks - Sony the front back symmetry is very satisfying along with the front separation - Sonos has the ecosystem advantage where you can use the 300s and arc separately. By all accounts the arc soundbar is probably less than a year away from being updated. I can’t make this a cut and dry choice for you and be honest

[@Slocko]

I would say Sonos has a slight edge if you factor in music listening and the ease of use. If you don't have an iPhone you can still use the Sonos app to stream Music from services like KZbin Music without using Airplay. At the end of the day you might be hard pressed to hear a difference between them unless you have golden ears and are comparing them side by side.

[@Lovethelifeyoulive007]

Thank you for your reply, really taught choice in one hand i think the quad is perfect right now but if Sonos bring a new arc and the ability to add 2 more Era300 to the set-up it will be difficult to compete with. Adding the Sonos mess with the application right now i am lost 😅

[@pravinkumbhar1006]

Can I use both quad and Soundboard together

[@neverenoughtech]

No. They haven’t prepared for that. Guess they hate money

[@skmadam-h2m]

Taking out one of the HDMI In port was a deal breaker for me.

[@electechchannel3739]

Is the quad better than the dragon?

[@neverenoughtech]

This is not a simple question - it really hinges on how you value front separation vs raw power and high end tweeters.

[@chucksimon2771]

By the way - I have a Klipsch Core 200 soundbar in a smaller room 12x14 and it sounds tremendous - for a $500 soundbar, have you heard or will you review?

[@neverenoughtech]

Yeah want to get my hands on that full system … heard good things

[@venkatesh760]

Sony subwoofer sw5 is lacking in low frequency bass response. It does not hit low. That excitement during action scenes when the bass hits low will be missing in sony sw5.

[@supervegeta1427]

Can add a second sw5 subwoofer to the bar 9?

[@neverenoughtech]

Nope

[@AntonBorodulin]

Great review, thank you

[@neverenoughtech]

Appreciated!

[@stephenlowes2161]

Has anyone put the 2 rear quads on side walls. so at 90 degrees to front speakers and pointing to the listeners. Does it work. Thanks

[@S1mmz]

Yes, works fine. Preferred method if the sofa is against the wall.

[@vengayam-w2z]

Thanks for the video. Just subb'd. May I know if you might put a comparison video b/w Bose 600 and Sonos Beam Gen2? If someone considers dialogue and sound quality ( movie experience) as top priority for a smaller space , which one would you recommend.

[@blackmac1970]

Great comparison with the correct amount of funny.

[@theglovelock1752]

Here’s a head scratcher for you. Love all your stuff. Long time follower, first time question asker:). Say I’m up to my eye balls in Sonos around the house. Love the “speakers in every room”, but wanted to flirt with the Quads as the home cinema stuff and keep the Sonos as the speakers spread out for music. Is there a way to use the Sonos Port on the Quad to incorporate it into the Sonos system? Obviously not smart money wise, but I think you understand that part of the sound obsession/disease 😂

[@neverenoughtech]

I’d say there probably is some hacky way to do it (a line in port would be quite helpful on the quad) … I’d wait for a Sonos stream box/ port thing with an hdmi port before trying what you described

[@FamilyAvila-ix6pf]

I have to tell you, I tried the bar 9 with the sw5… with a Bravia 8. Unfortunately, I preferred the Sonos arc with sub mini instead. Oh well.

[@neverenoughtech]

That’s what I have in my (big open space) living room so not that offended

[@Stannihunny]

Hello my Friends I got a A95L and a Sonos Beam Gen2 with 2 Sonos One Sl no Sub live in an Apartment! do you Think the Bar 9 and the Rs5 are a good upgrade ? only for Ps5 Gaming

[@neverenoughtech]

My experience is that people are often dissatisfied when leaving Sonos so hesitant to say switch unless dealing with high levels of disatisfaction

[@Stannihunny]

@@neverenoughtechyeah thats true i Switch to Samsung and Return it 😬✌️ But After the Last Sonos Update and True Play Calibration Sounds my Beam Like a small „to Go“ Speaker and my A95L Sound much brighter and more clear very Strange! The Sonos App Sucks !

[@rafars2246]

Well, I trust your opinions so I'll keep waiting for something else. Would love to hear the quad but I wouldn't like not having a center channel, and Sony subwoofers are very weak too.

[@Darkk_Sage]

Killing it as always. Have you considered reviewing the Sonos Ace solely for the TV swap integration?

[@neverenoughtech]

I totally will if your post gets 50 likes

[@5324TuiG]

Wait … so if I bought the m2 then it would be an issue with my A90j?

[@neverenoughtech]

What do you say that?

[@R3X3R]

Bar 9 vs 990d please

[@doctorwilly]

Probably gonna wait a few years until til competitors offer a cheaper quad-like offerings..

[@ryanvalentine7793]

How is off angle listening?

[@neverenoughtech]

Degraded. Probably still acceptable

[@rafars2246]

To me music died in the 90's. Since then just a few random songs are worth it.

[@neverenoughtech]

90s is still widely celebrated 30 years on … I liked indie music in the 2000 - 2010 range as a contrast to main stream at the same time. Though I sense timeless songs after 2000 is few and far between

[@rafars2246]

@@neverenoughtech you know what, I actually love the indie music too, not sure why I forgot about that. Then I am weird too, I love movie soundtracks, a lot, it is my main source of music listening.

[@RQuinton79]

I do believe that in most cases, soundbars are becoming better than standalones. This is taking into consideration the convenience and likelihood that a consumer will be much more inclined to use a soundbar over piecing together and wiring a system in a room, not that they outperform a dedicated system. Though, even then, they are getting damn good. That said, two areas soundbars desperately need to step up their game. 1) HDMI ports. While eArc does help, 6+ HDMI inputs found on most receivers is a quality-of-life issue that can be addressed on soundbars. Nakamichi has 3 on their sub $1000 soundbars, that should be the minimum standard. Worse, it seems soundbars are actually reducing HDMI ports. Positioning in cramped spaces is another common problem, and the Bravia Theater Bar 9 is another example of hoping the consumer can cram a cable in the port and hoping for the best. 2) Cloth. Get rid of the damn cloth. Animals tear that stuff up, and soundbars and speakers are more commonly exposed to animals and kids. Cloth also attracts lint like no other. There are definitely more differences, but overall, I recommend soundbars to my friends and family, despite having a dedicated theater room with separates and receiver. Before getting my theater room, I used quite a lot of different soundbars, and a few were very impressive, while the much more affordable 3.1 systems greatly improved TV sound without breaking the bank or requiring rear speaker placement.

[@MohsinWadee]

You seriously suggest setting the front Quad speakers 10ft apart? BTW Tidal are dropping support for Sony's 360 Audio, sticking to Atmos only.

[@neverenoughtech]

Yes,social distance those squares

[@S1mmz]

Yeah, 8-10 feet apart is the sweet spot. It's how you create a big bubble that soundbars can't achieve. Any smaller and you may as well just go for a soundbar.

[@MohsinWadee]

@@S1mmz I'm not disputing at all what neverenoughtech says, but you do realise that 10 feet is near the limit for mid to high-end stereo hifi speakers? It's 3 meters. Most stereo hifi speakers have a sweet spot of 2, 2.5m. So I was just taken aback, that's all.

[@S1mmz]

@@MohsinWadee It's their 360 mapping software, it just works. You can go larger even but then you ideally do want a Sony TV as the center. Without a Sony TV 3m seems to give the best bubble while also a strong phantom center, once you go above without the TV the center starts to fall off.

[@MohsinWadee]

@@S1mmz I have no idea what you're talking about, or you've misunderstood me, but anyway.

[@MyFatherLoves]

Don't waste your money on either one. Just buy an inexpensive DAC that supports HDMI CEC and a pair of decent powered speakers. You'll get a FAR better experience. MiniDSP Flex HT and a pair of JBL 104-BT's, pair of JBL 305P (or bigger), pair of Rokits from KRK, pair of Adam Audio T-series, etc... I get that the price can vary widly and that I'm talking about just a pair of speakers but come on y'all... have a little more self-respect. If your buying an incredible tv, buy some decent audio to go with. That MiniDSP is so incredibly versatile. Granted, it cannot decode any bitstreamed formats from Dolby or DTS. But it can decode lossless multi-channel which is what most content can be delivered with. You also get incredibly powerful DSP. It's very difficult to do better until you spend about 3-4x the cost of the MiniDSP.

[@S1mmz]

Great vid as always. As I've stated like you... If you can't place the quads at least 2.5m apart minimum then go for a soundbar. Seen some dumb setups of the original A9 and quads where they have them so close together that they may as well have stacked them on top of each other 😅

[@Steve30x]

Linus tech tips has the a 9 with the two front speakers inside a shelving unit above his TV and they're about 3 or 4 foot apart. Way too close together to do front sesperation and in a shelving unit blocking the top atmos speakers Then the rears are directly beside the sides of his sofa 😂

[@neverenoughtech]

Oh dear 😟😬

[@RajeshSharma-zx7gb]

Nvidia shield connected with quad. Shield connected with a USB hub connected with 5 TB of content. Shield itself with all the streaming services. And TV having eARC. I don't need another HDMI input. But if I had to connect my Xbox, i would buy an HDMI splitter/switcher or whatever they are called. This problem won't make me buy some other product.

[@jackbusiness7879]

There is no replacement to just having more speakers. Having to blast sound to create “phantom” speakers just amps the annoying background music and damages your ears. I feel like the cheapest wired system with a dedicated receiver will beat any phantom speaker effect in terms of crispness and effect any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Simply put, having a speaker on your roof is 10x better then having something trying to blast sound off the roof, etc. as in a $50 speaker on the roof is better than a $500 one, etc..

[@neverenoughtech]

Yet the phantom products exist and people are genuinely interested. That can’t just be dismissed.

[@jackbusiness7879]

@@neverenoughtech you are right, I guess I was just frustrated. I appreciate how much info and work you put into sound systems. I had no idea how complex sound is and my frustration is more in my own failures on setting up my own system. I think I figured it out though, had to raise the treble, height, and surround sound (Sonos bundle). My apologies.

[@BalaramakrishnaPamidi]

The beam tweeters are belongs to side firing channels, not for left and right channels bro..

[@neverenoughtech]

That makes sense