NEW 2024 KTM SX-F Upgrade and CUO Install

[@mxgryan]

aomc tape I see...hell yeah dude we appreciate you!

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

Yessir! Appreciate the fast shipping on this one. Been meaning to get in touch with you. Send me a message on Instagram or facebook if you see this. Cheers.

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

or email me at [e-mail]

[@RobertBoley]

For sure keep us updated on this. I’ve been thinking about adding it to map my 23 250sxf.

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

Absolutely will. I think it's a great product for the price. You're not getting customized maps for the ECU or anything crazy, but it's a lot of data, which I like. I personally like the ability to decrease the amount of engine braking. Next video is coming soon. Unfortunately, a bit delayed if you saw my previous video with the crash. Thanks for watching!

[@platin2148]

You mean you are not yet getting fully customizable maps. 😊

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

Right. Hopefully it’ll be a future update.

[@platin2148]

@@ShiftGearsMoto Q3\Q4 probably.

[@stevoppl]

I have the CUO installed on my 24 MY 250 SX-F. Well worth it for the weekend warrior! Word of caution - if you are worried about the accuracy of your hour meter, which I suspect you would be for resale value in future - when the CUO is on, ie any time it is lit up, the hour meter will be counting up on your bike! (Even if the engine is not running). That is true when you are sending new maps to the bike and downloading rider data (which can take a few minutes). After install, I gained about 2 hours on my hour meter of time when the bike was not even running! I contacted KTM, and their advice - The CUO acts as a diagnostic device and as such will add hours onto your bike. The recommendation from KTM when any diagnostic device is plugged in, is that the hour meter be disconnected before and reconnected after. So worth pulling the number plate off and unplugging the hour meter while you download or upload your data.

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

Thanks for watching and the comment. I actually didn't realize the hours meter was still on when the CUO is on (it takes about 2-3 minutes to shutoff even after the bike shuts off, which is kind of annoying). All those extra minutes add up I suppose. I'll have to check today, but I thought the hours meter screen timed out when the bike off, even if the CUO is still on. Can you confirm it's actually still on?

[@stevoppl]

@@ShiftGearsMoto no worries, I enjoyed the video 👌 I’ll send you what the KTM Technical Team sent me: “With regards to the hour counter. Loading maps falls under diagnostic classification, therefore please follow the guidance under section 6.9 Combination instrument: The combination instrument (1) is attached in front of the handlebar. The combination instrument shows the total number of operating hours of the engine. The operating hour counter begins counting when the engine is started and stops when the engine is switched off. Info Nothing can be cleared or adjusted on the combination instrument. As soon as the diagnostics tool is connected, the service hour counter starts running. Before longer diagnostic sessions, unplug the service hour counter behind the start number plate.” I noticed the hours had jumped up significantly after installing the CUO but before riding with it. It was quite obvious to me though as the bike was still basically new and had only 7 hours total.

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

Great - thanks for sharing the info. I'll definitely keep an eye on it and if I plan on keeping the CUO on for awhile, I'll unplug the hours meter. Do you know which plug is the hours meter?

[@stevoppl]

On my bike there are 2 of the fully blue plugs, like the one at 3:28 (If I were to hazard a guess I’d say that blue plug is your hour meter as well). If you follow the wire down from the hour meter it will lead you to the correct plug. Then test it - quick flick of start button and if you hear the fuel pump prime but the hour meter doesn’t come on you’ve got the right one 😎

[@platin2148]

Uhh that is a nice thing. Well the CUO isn't acting as diag device but, you know what this can be something I'll add to the feature list. So that we remove the amount of time the CUO was on for that what we report in the TDT inside the app. There is also the issue that the hour meter of the app and the tacho will not match up as there is a different way to how they measure.

[@TrentMeimann]

Have you ever tried a woods/ trail loop recording? Wondering if it would record the first loop?

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

I think you need to run a loop 3 times for it to be recorded as a track. I'm not sure if there's a max distance or if dense trees would mess with the GPS. I've been meaning to try it, but I always just take my 250 XC-W for woods days.

[@platin2148]

You can find the total drive time of your bike also inside the app by pressing underneath the picture of the bike. It will extend and show you the hours.

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

Under operating conditions? Hours meter is blank for me. Do you have to manually sync it?

[@platin2148]

@@ShiftGearsMoto You might have to be once connected i think it’s not displaying per default for some stupid reasons.

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

After I took my bike to the dealer to get the ECU updated to load maps, it no longer calculates air time or longest jump. Any idea why?

[@platin2148]

@@ShiftGearsMoto You mean in the app? On guess you are currently at 2.5.12? It will comeback with the new OTA for the unit as there where some accuracy issues on the CUO which where fixed in software. So yeah currently disabled. Till the update which will come in the next days.

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

@@platin2148 yes I don’t see the data in the app. Longest jump is 0.0 ft. Are you asking what version app or ECU? How do I get the update when it’s released?

[@JimG1964]

I'm contemplating switching from yamaha to ktm. I've seen a lot of videos on the CUO but none of them really demonstrate how much the programming can change to bike. I would like to see video on how much the engine braking can be reduced and throttle response actually change as a result of the app. I'm hoping someone throws on a go pro and demonstrates how much the engine braking and throttle response change. Sort of a before and after programming change demo. You could be the first! It's quite an investment so don't really want to spend the money if the app doesn't really change the bike that much. Nice channel and content!

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

Thank you! I actually just rode a 2024 YZ250F (video will be live in a few minutes from this comment). The biggest change the CUO makes, in my opinion, is to the engine braking and throttle response. You can feel a significant distance. If you watch this video, you can see my settings and I talk about them: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKHHq3WId82UrJo I'll make a video showing the differences between 1 and 5 in those two settings and try to get up soon. Thanks for watching - more on the way!

[@JimG1964]

@@ShiftGearsMoto Thanks so much! I like my 2017 yz250f but find it hyper torquey in corners and quite a bit of engine braking so I find it hard to roll into corners. Nice bike but looking for something that rolls a little more freely with longer gears. I will check out the vids and subscribe!

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

@@JimG1964 I was riding a 2015 YZ250F prior to this KTM and felt the same. I turned my engine braking down in the CUO and it's much more comfortable for me. I noticed a big difference. The KTMs shine in mid-top end. Thanks for the support!

[@platin2148]

Did you find out that you don't have to even press the button the CUO does automatically start tracking if you are fast enough. But only if you set it up like that in the app.

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

I turned off auto. It would annoyingly pick up random segments and log them separately, like the ride from the pit to the track.

[@platin2148]

@@ShiftGearsMoto That i don’t fully get because it starts the logging and does end only if you stalled the engine or turned it off. Yes that would include the time to the pit but should not be captured by the smart phone as a track layout. I suspected already that the starting condition is definitely a thing that is more individual. And obviously it can’t know where the track is as that data isn’t on the unit (for now). If i would say to you we could turn it off and don’t start again if it’s not one the track you previously selected do you think that would make more sense for automatically start/stop?

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

I think if it recorded everything but only logged segments it picked up as laps would be better. I realize it only brings the track layouts in but you have to sort all those random segment logs. Either for me to just manually start it when I’m about to go and turn it off when I finish my moto.

[@platin2148]

@@ShiftGearsMoto Ok thx for the feedback. Will take sometime till we can make it happen. Might with this unit a bit of a thing that you‘d need to upload the track layouts prior. But there is plenty of storage for hundred of different ones.

[@platin2148]

@@ShiftGearsMoto I still don‘t get how it randomly stops may you be able to file a issue with this?

[@Nick169x]

Nice mods bro i got the same bike question can you do the same update and have a vortex ecu. I got the vortex ecu in my bike and instantly noticed it put harder and rev faster

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

I’m not sure if it would change the engine characteristics but the gps features should all work.

[@platin2148]

I highly doubt it will work as Vortex doesn’t have the same Signals and Protocol than the Original KTM ECU it’s also not supported at all as such i suspect it to not work. But if you find out that it in fact does let me know.

[@johnkosmatka9961]

Is the “engine tuning” adjustability worth it or is it pretty limited in its changes? How noticeable are the changes in engine braking and power delivery?

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

there are some really cool features, like reducing or increasing engine braking that I like, but it doesn't replace an ECU tune if you're a competitive racer. For a weekend warrior like myself, it's perfect. Fair cost and simple customization. Full test video coming soon. A bit delayed with my crash and injury.

[@platin2148]

Well it will soonish replace them but with the risk that you can brick your engine.

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

@@platin2148 what will brick your engine?

[@platin2148]

@@ShiftGearsMoto The new mode that will come allows for it..

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

Are you talking about the engine maps?

[@Greerboyz556]

Thats pretty cool

[@JOEMAMA.95]

W what I'm gonna do with the 2023 250 sxf too. 2024 graphics

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

Both are essential upgrades.

[@RobertBoley]

Also are you running the stock 51 sprocket or did you go to a 52?

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

I'm running stock gearing still. Did you go to a 52?

[@RobertBoley]

@@ShiftGearsMoto Im considering it but can find much data to show how much it changes it.

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

@@RobertBoley I'm working on a follow up video. What are you looking for specifically and I'll try to include it for you.

[@RobertBoley]

Just how much further the gears pull. I hear 2nd and 3rd pull lore

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

@@RobertBoley give it a shot if you feel like you need it.

[@brandongambrell]

Did you not have to get the ECU upgrade unlocked by a dealer? Everywhere I’ve seen this you have to to take it to a KTM certified dealer.

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

To load the engine maps yes you do. Pretty annoying step.

[@platin2148]

Well that step would have not been needed if production would simply have used the maps they said they did but they didn’t so now it sucks.

[@matload444]

@@ShiftGearsMotohaha i didnt have to do that 😂

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

Depends on your ecu version.

[@matload444]

@@ShiftGearsMoto one question i dont see the rider feature in the app to look at my track data do you know what to do ?

[@lcinotti13]

I have a question: you change parameters in map 1 or in map 2?

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

The CUO does not change the mapping, just engine characteristics.

[@lcinotti13]

@@ShiftGearsMoto yes but it doesn't matter if you are in map 1 or 2? It's the same? I rode in some topics that the engine parameters works in map 1

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

@@lcinotti13 it works in either the white or green map. For example, reducing the engine braking will have same effect in both maps. With that being said, I only use the green, aggressive map.

[@lcinotti13]

@@ShiftGearsMoto thank you so much from italy my friend

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

you're welcome! I've got a few more videos on the CUO coming soon.

[@ktmracing3135]

I do have a question. I just got a new 24 Ktm 350xcf. I only ride trail so not sure if it's worth it. My question is is ktm app free? Or do you still need to pay the $250. If I do get it does it show overall mileage? Or is it just let ride

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

$250 is for the GPS and unit. The KTM app is free, but you have to pay $70 per year for the LITPro integration for all the statistics like lap times, segments, etc. There is no additional fee to adjust the engine characteristics. It does not show overall mileage, just what was recorded.

[@tvelaify]

Did you have to update the ECU to accept the CUO??

[@tvelaify]

After reading through all of the comments I see that has been answered. I guess my next question would be where do we get the new maps?

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

To update the engine characteristics yes. There’s no maps, just tuning.

[@Jesssop-]

Is this just plug and play???

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

Pretty much. Just make sure your ecu is updated by your KTM dealer.

[@platin2148]

Well you actually didn’t need to start the bike for it just press the button even if your bike is off. It simply turns it sort of on.

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

I did learn that. Just need to tap the power button and it will stay on for a few minutes.

[@platin2148]

@@ShiftGearsMoto Actually it's almost exactly 120 seconds. Would you like to extend that time? Same for the automatic turn off when you stop the engine? Just asking out of interest..

[@ShiftGearsMoto]

No, thats fine because all those minutes add up on the hours meter.

[@platin2148]

@@ShiftGearsMoto Well that value is something to tale with a grain of salt. But you know what i‘ll see what we can do for future.