New 40K Rules for Blood Angels - Strong Character Combos Incoming? Angelic Inheritors Review

[@Majere613]

I've tried Angelic Host with Suppressors and Inceptors and that works pretty well, but it does leave your melee units, even Jump ones, feeling a bit pillow-fisted. This detachment having a return to reserve strat and some shooting buffs seems like it might be an interesting alternative. Also it makes Mephiston even more of a mad lad than usual, which is fun.

[@aleksander10101]

The detachment is phenomenal. Definitely one of the best Grotmas ones. Not on the scale of the Liberator, but this is definitely the best way to run combined arms BA.

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

I feel like a psyker focused detachment would’ve been nice but I guess that would’ve a bit much after seeing that for default marines.

[@stripeybag6977]

Also no Librarian Dreadnought

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

@@stripeybag6977that too sadly… that too.

[@RhulkFunnyMoments]

The librarian detachment fills that role already

[@enricocarlini5363]

Yeah, it's so sad that one have little support for Non-leader Librarian, so isn't great for Mephiston...

[@HighlandPhoenix]

Angels Sanguine successors?

[@venlocity2]

So correct me if im wrong, but ive been told that as long as you dont take any chapter specific units (like Sanguinary Guard) in your list you can still get the benefits that codex compliant marines get with their oath buff. This leads me to think that while this might not be the best Blood Angel detatchment, it would be really good for a custom/successor codex space marines list.

[@carysage]

Yeah I guess you can. I couldn't find a rule that says you can't... But I think a lot of TOs (and the Warhammer app) won't let you do it though.

[@ToddGrindle]

You are correct

[@stripeybag6977]

I just realized it's gross that Divergent players are now incentive to not take anything that actually makes them unique.

[@frostedbutts4340]

@@stripeybag6977 Or.. 'vanilla' players are being given more options. I'm sure a lot of people will enjoy playing with homebrew chapters using different detachments.

[@william9557]

​@@stripeybag6977not really. I can run blood angels but can't take any of their really units for a +1 to wound on five different units in a game. No Dante, no Mephiston, nothing. Many of the chapter specific units are straight upgrades. Deathwing is literally 10 points for 4+FNP against mortals and ignore modifiers; disgusting. Sanguinary are literal flying terminators.

[@stripeybag6977]

I just realized there's still not a way in Blood Angels to give a Character a 3 damage Melee weapon.

[@Kryzcek78]

Chaplin on a bike leading outriders can get it. But yeah it's an issue for BA units.

[@GwainSagaFanChannel]

Wait Blood Angels cannot get 3 damage melee weapons thats weird Dark Angels have two detachments which give +1 damage

[@robainsworth2014]

DA units also hit harder than BA units based off datasheet, Sanguard hit on 3s 😂

[@lacedaimonian]

Yeah the lack of upgraded melee weapon enhancements on a melee army is annoying, same with the lack of damage 3 or 2 attack profiles on our special characters.

[@chaosheaven23]

This actually looks like a fun Hero-hammer detachment. I usually run Codex Compliant but I think I'd did trying this one!

[@Jenn-lq9yu]

Honestly, slapping that Sustained Hits strategem and a Lieutenant on a Squad of Intercessors now could deal some terrifying damage. 40 Shots with Sustained Hits and Lethal hits per turn, and with Rerolls on 1s? Mmmm

[@Kryzcek78]

I'm thinking hellblasters.

[@rickkcir2151]

It still wouldn’t outperform dedicated anti-tank units like hellblasters against high T and armor opponents. It would shred light infantry. But, intercessors don’t need a lieutenant and sustained hits to do that.

[@aleksander10101]

Why waste it on intercessors? 10 Sternguard squad all the way.

[@Jenn-lq9yu]

@@aleksander10101 Intercessors get 2 to the attacks characteristics of their weapons now if they shoot all at one target. 40 Shots, with Sustained and Lethals would be nutty. It's the funny haha of throwing 40 dice, and potentially turning it into like 60 hits.

[@benjaminrobertson2990]

So, in theory, if you attached an Inquisitor to an Adeptus Astartes battleline unit, that bodyguard unit would then be an Adeptus Astartes Character unit and get the benefits of this detachment, right? because if so, Inquisitor Draxus with a squad of bolter Intercessors just got even better for us

[@jamesygamesy5124]

yes

[@frostedbutts4340]

RAW, yes. Works for the librarian detachment too.

[@GwainSagaFanChannel]

Yes thats why Custodes love inquistor Draxus its similar how if you attached a character that is not deathwing when attached to a deathwing bodyguard unit it also gets deathwing keyword

[@stripeybag6977]

I feel like Gravis Captain and units are great here, have one on your home with Heavy Intercessors and another with Aggressors. Someone else mentioned Centurions but I still personally feel they're too slow to be reliable without Uriel's Teleport ability.

[@william9557]

Well isn't that the point of the teleport? Give them a way to get up the board quickly.

[@stripeybag6977]

​@@william9557Meant without the teleport

[@The-Grey-Queen]

instant of grace would be good on infantry units that can't be led like centurions

[@JerichoPaulhus]

And in the case of jump units: Inceptors

[@EruCoolGuy]

@@JerichoPaulhus Agreed, but their melee is shite

[@JerichoPaulhus]

@EruCoolGuy their melee does suck, but having a unit that can deep strike 6" and fire 18 assault bolter shots or 12 plasma exterminator shots, and for 1 CP give it sustained hits is very nice; and for 1 CP to put them back into reserves to do it again.

[@Lux3266]

I’m looking forward to trying Dante with this- +1 to hit and reroll hits and wounds of 1 on either 6 sanguinary guard or 10 jump packs could be really fun

[@PAJ_L2001]

Against targets where the +2 strength does not come in to play reroll 1s on the hit and wound should be a bit better. (Assuming you have not used oath on that target.)

[@StarkMaximum]

Seems pretty good! I don't think I'll regularly use it over LAG, but it fits exactly what I wanted for these free detachments; a fun alternate way to play an army I can just whip out from time to time, or that might push me to build in a slightly different way. All of the strategems seem good! All of the upgrades seem good! The detachment rule seems good! None of it blows me away like some of the stuff in LAG does, but I'm happy to use all of it.

[@Jebnert]

Maybe someone can confirm/deny something for me. I had a fellow at a GW store yesterday mention that if you played a non-codex compliant detachment but didn't use any of their unique character or units that you would still get the +1 to wound for your oath of moment. From what I can tell this seems to be correct but I feel more people would be talking about this if it was the case.

[@snorri8110]

That is accurate, just don’t use any Blood Angels units (or CHAPTER ones in general)

[@jackpidd3039]

I picked up on that immediately and I will be abusing it until it gets re-written. I had 5 terminators solo a Chaos Knight and a Helbrute without losing a single model using Liberator Assault group and oath of moment

[@stripeybag6977]

​@@jackpidd3039 I hope not that sounds hilarious, that's some Black Templars level abusing the Codex stuff right there and Gulliman would be proud. But also I hope Chaos Knights gets a lot of love after having sucked all edition.

[@oldmangames9292]

It's correct.. Not talked about much among Dark Angels because our detachments are mostly unworkable without DA units (and mostly poor with), so doesn't really add anything.

[@JerichoPaulhus]

@@Jebnert it's true, which sucks in my opinion because at that point, why even play a supplement chapter?

[@Lumovanis]

Ah I see Auspex's recharge cycle is complete already.

[@aheroforfun6401]

I really like the "no overwatch" enhancement. And the detachment rule is pretty strong too. That said, I'll probably stick with Liberator, since its detachment rule is just really good (and thematic). Inheritor's fall back+shoot+charge is extremely nice, but Liberator does have a stratagem for that.

[@RSBurgener]

I am having trouble getting a true read on this. I feel like I would need to play it in order to know if it's right for me. I can tell it has a lot of possibilities.

[@twilightwyrm]

I think Ordained Sacrifice makes the most sense on a Gravis Captain, given the build in damage reduction. Put him with Aggressors or Eradicators and your opponent will absolutely want to be killing that unit, or lose a lot of their army by ignoring them. Then you have a very durable character reviving on 3 wounds to skirmish, do actions, and otherwise be a menace.

[@stripeybag6977]

I swear Angelic Host and Unto Burning Skies really makes me wish they would in the future allow Sanguinor to do his special Deep Strikes multiple times. Also wish our unique units aside from Sanguinary Guard got some points buffs but they need to somehow sell those models and strong but ugly works.

[@william9557]

Reivers mate Their rework makes them great deepstriker melee bursters, basically getting a 3d6 charge with a lieutenant, and can chop up infantry on an objective with no issue

[@reeceking2298]

I think i am going to give it a try competitively over liberator, will take a slightly different list combo using less chainsword units but i run alot of characters anyway, will be nice to have some more shooting threat, was also going to run 2 L.T with combi weapons over 2 scouts squads for the midfield in this

[@darkflare75]

ordaned sacrifice is going to be good on a captain in gravis Infront of aggressors just take everything on him till he dies the first time and trust his 4+ invul and half damage to keep his boys up then the unit has a stronger charge after they can get closer

[@drewbg333]

Carnt put attacks on characters unless the atta is have precision

[@venlocity2]

​@@drewbg333I think without precision it is the choice of the defender. People who take Calgar with aggressors usually take the hits to the honor guard even while the bodyguarding unit is still alive after all

[@drewbg333]

@venlocity2 The honor guard are not characters, they are a bodyguard unit. You can not apply attacks to a character if it still has a bodyguard unit.

[@venlocity2]

@@drewbg333 ah

[@isaacfoley6728]

perfect birthday gift from gw

[@realwaifus5514]

While this is definitely a very solid detachment that opens up some new synergies I think the reason it falls a bit short of equaling Liberator is that it overlaps too much with what staples of BA were already doing. Like death company with Lemartes already had re-roll hits and charges, assault intercessors were already re-rolling wounds, and while these are minor overlaps I think it’s what ultimately edges Liberator ahead of Legacy because whereas re-rolling 1s and advances/ charges can benefit some units more than others +1 attack +2 strength benefits everything equally.

[@aleksander10101]

Consider the following. DC post codex only reroll melee hits so you only sent them against non oath targets due to the reroll. Now you have a unit with a BS 3+ rerolling ones with 2 IP and PP. And reroll to wound of 1's with DC is nasty work. Also, Ass Intercessors aren't really used competitively nor are they used enough that a reroll 1's to wound would be a deficit for the army.

[@scottking5555]

I was told by a GWS staffer that if I use the stuff by your sponsor, I can't play in store or competition... was told that after I ordered all the bits😢

[@furiousfilth1768]

This s detachment feels like it’s a bit more suited for balanced lists. Not to shootie, not to hitty. Basically a list to fit and use the stuff that that is not optimal in other lists

[@marshaledrek71]

It would be real nice if GW brought back the BA primaris lieutenant and the Dark Angel one!

[@livingghost7975]

Would have been nice if this detachment switched out of moment out for the old +1 version of the blood angels detachment boost not the +2 +1 just the +1

[@grapetonenatches186]

I cant even keep up with the rules update videos, brother. Can you teach me to read, brother?

[@ScilentDeath]

Usable but not going to displace Liberator.

[@liepsan]

It gives us a Detachment thats not solely focused on Melee. It does have some strong stuff in there like: rerolls Hits and Wounds of 1 / Melee Lethal hits + Lance / enemy Ranged attacks within 18 inch / back into Strategic Reserves. I doubt its better than Liberator, but its nice to have more options. It is also nice to use some more shooty units.

[@nicboi9803]

1:04 *Sons of Sanguinius

[@lucas380w]

How interacts "In the shaod of great wings" with the shooting phase? I'm not following it. If an Imperial Knight targets any unit from my army with this detachment that is at 24', use the stratagem and my unit is not able to selected as a target. But the target was already done. WHEN "your opoonent's Shooting phase, JUST AFTER an enemy unit has selected its targets" So, how it works this? I use the stratagem and force the opponent to target another unit?

[@Luke.rhaus42]

Correct, if the target is no longer valid because of the strat then they get to choose something else to shoot at

[@jmmllr]

I really feel like they're building the Grotmas detachments to be an expansion of the combat patrol

[@lewiscowface]

Nah... Divergent Chapters should get their unique Army Rule, specially Blood Angels. They should get +1S +2S as their Army rule and that would make most their detachments relevant.

[@troublemaker9899]

This is exactly the problem with this edition. Blood Angels don't feel like Blood Angels if you aren't running Liberator.

[@mahel3643]

Would be kind of OP. Having+1 Attack and +2S AND beeing able to allways Fall back and Charge AND allways reroll 1 to Hit AND 1 to Wound... I have Blood Angels myself, but they would become OP

[@SirPhatniss]

+1 A and +2 S would be funny as shit because it would make them strictly better than world eaters with +1 A and +1 S 😂

[@rickkcir2151]

The problem is that every space marine unit and detachment would then have to be reevaluated. Since they’re all balanced around at least OoM.

[@mahel3643]

​@@SirPhatniss which is such a stupid Thing considering, that blood Angels can still Take nice fire tank Support, while world eaters only have Wrumm Wrumm

[@Admiralkirk95]

I knew we'd never get a fleshtearers one simply cause Gabriel was removed from the codex. Now that was more so they could avoid the chapter hcaracter restrictions. But still, I had no faith they'd go that way just cause they removed him.

[@ms70072]

Still holding out for ratlings

[@brendanmckenna7613]

I wish instant of grace applied to any model, not just infantry models. Why cant my dreadnought be graceful, just for an instant?

[@CFT3D]

It feels really awkward. It's kinda shooting focused but wants you to use infantry which needs to be led by a character which makes everything expensive. And then everything this gives is already a rule on one of the units you might want to take. Makes it all feel kind of bad.

[@ethanwood5700]

Finally

[@John-po9vg]

The detachment is amazing, such powerful Strats and the reroll 1s really bumps up Sanguinor and Mephiston in consistancy, arm chair generals are crying it’s not as powerful as LAG… classic…. Plonkers.

[@stripeybag6977]

It's not a bad Detachment by any means, we've seen like Awakened Dynasty put in work, it's just that Space Marine Melee sucks so you need LAG to make it not be completely terrible. On top of a lot of Redundancy with buffs.

[@John-po9vg]

I agree LAG slaps in melee but this is not just a melee detachment as it has reactive lone op and uppy downy. I think this detachment is in the upper echelons of the game due to its mission potential.

[@christerprestberg3973]

Sad Flesh Tearer noices

[@neuronas1000]

Honestly. I try the new détachement rule. This is a downgrade for the blood Angel. If you like to make some joke in the game with friend. Take it but I doesn’t recommande. You can’t destroy forgefiend and chaos terminator. With this rules. Is médiocre. Thx Have a good Christmas and new years.

[@steveology_856]

As a blood angel player, if I’m not playing LAG, why bother even bringing blood angels out? Might as well be ultramarines in red armor 😉

[@doggie7602]

Its for red marine, not much Blood angels in this.

[@Damnedlegion40k]

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[@troublemaker9899]

Oh wow, these buffs aren't half bad aaaaaand they're locked behind characters. Detachment killed.

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

… what? How can you be this shortsighted?

[@rickkcir2151]

It applies to the characters units too you know? This is just a detachment that incentivizes bringing a lot of characters to lead your units. Which SM have a plethora of good characters.