New Astra Militarum Rules! How Strong is the Bridgehead Strike Detachment?

[@auspextactics]

CORRECTION - sorry the Bombast Vox Array does the SAME order to three different units, so more for a coordinated formation than focused orders on the same squad!

[@MrDefender1234]

So what happens if you have a Command Rod? Can you give out the 1st Order 3 Times and then the 2nd Order 3 Times as well?

[@Faiythe]

@@MrDefender1234 Command Rod doesn't give a second order, it allows the unit to be "be affected by up to two different Orders at the same time." So at best the person with Bombast Vox will give say Take Aim to himself and 2 other units. Then those other units will give themselves 1st/2nd Rank Fire, using their own Command Rods.

[@AndrewNarog]

"Fire and Relocate" feels like such a weird name for an advance and shoot stratagem rather than a move-shoot-move stratagem.

[@dominicl5862]

Real

[@pixywings7715]

Would have been better to even just flip it to Relocate and Fire.

[@st4r658]

A close real phrase is "Fire and Maneuver", not sure why they didn't use that...

[@Wind-Whistler]

Reminds me of, “ready, fire, aim.” 😂

[@Bluecho4]

I thought this as well. if it was called "Relocate and Fire", it might have worked.

[@owenwilliams9746]

For the "On my position", in my experience if your guard units is in melee with another unit, they're dead anyway, if that last guy takes 3d3 mortal wounds but kills a few dudes? Price well paid.

[@Bluecho4]

No matter what happens, you'll at least break even on wounds caused, if you're down to one guy. More likely, 3 to 4 mortals on the enemy, on average. If he's locked in combat with two enemy units, even better.

[@StarkMaximum]

"I was gonna take those 3d3 mortals anyway!"

[@thefloatingcontinent9897]

“On my position” seems fun as hell

[@ChamberedMoto]

Agreed! Seems like a fun stratagem to use if you start loosing an OBJ.

[@BuddyWithTheSideburns]

I feel like one has to say "For the record, it's my call!" every time this stratagem is used.

[@Bluecho4]

Khorne Beserkers: * Charge Scions * Scion, holding vox: "Oh, you'd better just KILL me!"

[@Swarzyc]

Broken arrow 😂

[@benjaminrobertson2990]

Seems like a fun way to run an 'inquisitorial stormtroopers' list

[@otakuon]

Yes, maybe my old school IG Storm Troopers will find a new life of use after all.

[@shae98sc2]

Literally how I was going to run it

[@ChrisPrice12]

As someone who refuses to use Lord Solar for reasons, this detachment is perfect for me.

[@karlnygren]

I like using Lord Solar but I dislike being forced to use him. I was very happy to see the enhancements to replace two of his things(sort of). I don't think I'll play this detachment much but it gives me more hope for the codex and alternatives to using him.

[@Wind-Whistler]

@@karlnygren In all honesty he’s been optional since Tank Commanders got squadron. Still very strong, but not absolutely required.

[@torgranael]

​@@karlnygren Why was he considered an auto-include? Fairly new to Imperial Guard (Tyranid player who needed an excuse to field the Shadowsword I built as a display piece), so forgive my ignorance. Before the most recent dataslate, his big draw was granting orders to baneblades and aircraft, but with casual players being obsessed with tournament balance more than setpieces (or so I've heard. I don't play strangers myself.), there's little reason to take either. Post dataslate, the free command point is his only draw. It's nice, but is it really mandatory? His three orders can easily be replicated by three standard officers for about the same price, and with more flexibility in terms of where those orders are going.

[@karlnygren]

@torgranael he is the only model that can easily order vehicles. If we have him with a squad and Command Squad he can hold the home objective (even if I tend to run him forward if possible) and order three tanks within 24". Getting a CP and the redeploy is just bonuses but good. I've tried to leave him home but miss the versatility of the orders. If we run a Tank Commander with just one order the cost of giving that order to a Chimera to get it up the board instead of giving Take Aim to it self is much higher than having a bigger area to give out the orders. Ordering everything also meant that the odd bullgryns could go faster or get +1 OC in the opponent's command phase to deny an objective.

[@karlnygren]

@Wind-Whistler yeah, that changed the balance. Still he adds versatility but I'm very tempted to try a two TC build supporting one Rogal Dorn and occasionally some other vehicle if appropriate. The CP is also very good, so we give up a lot by not taking him. Going to try it again but my play style like what he adds.

[@SoulCrusherEx]

I've been waiting for this Detatchement and it's glorious! It's so fluffy so lore rich can't wait to go mechanised infantry. Militarum Tempestus is my third army next to Dark Angels and Chaos Marines

[@thefloatingcontinent9897]

Since Orks got orders guard needed the WAAAAAAGH seriously though this detachment doesn’t seen bad, just that it uses models that no guard player I know actually has. Better than a cavalry detachment, at least

[@DocWhat]

You can always proxy regular guardsmen as scions, but this detachment seems to reward guard players that have like more than 45 scions

[@Obellisk228]

I'm drooling. Been alowly building my full scion list for ages. Pro tip. Aolar auxilia with kitbashed weapons make FANTASTIC scions

[@DocWhat]

@@Obellisk228 solar auxilia are just fantastic in general! I’ve been proxying them as cadians

[@NinjatoBlade]

My only wish is that they gave a little more love to Valkyries

[@OneEyed_Jack]

18:04 Bombast Vox Array only lets you give the _same_ order to up to 3 units. It doesn't give the ability to give 3 seperate orders.

[@MultiUSRanger]

The way how I am reading the Bombast-Class Vox Array, it reads that you have to issue that SAME order to all 3 units, you can't give out separate orders. Correct me if I am wrong tho!

[@michaeljj5321]

You are correct!

[@auspextactics]

Ah no you're right, thanks for spotting - I'll post a correction above!

[@MattTrussell]

Not sure how good or bad it will be running Solar in this detachment, but it would be hilarious to take him + Augury and redeploy 6 units. "You said their tank detachments were approaching from the LEFT flank!" "They were!" It makes me want to kitbash up a bunch of those cardboard decoy tanks from real life, made out of like old GW boxes and sprue bits and use those to deploy before the switch up.

[@nimric3348]

This is the BEST! Guard nerfs habe ruined to classic guard playstyles and these brings them back! Pure infantry and mechanized guard look so promising with this.

[@tariq5498]

At the moment born soldiers still offers more flexibility and lethality, even for a full scions list. Might be worth revisiting when the codex drops.

[@frostedbutts4340]

The detachment rule is worse, but the strats and enhancements carry this over the index one for Scions imo

[@macroglossumstellatarum5932]

Would've been hilarious if the video about new guard rules had actually been about the Orc detachment. It is, after all, both new and has guard rules.

[@M0r7r3d0r]

Was there a video for the orc detachment? I can't find it

[@auspextactics]

It's coming next :)

[@WARGORELORD]

@@auspextactics Thanks. LOVE the work you are doing

[@nighttrain1236]

An Ork detachment in Imperial Guard? What diabolical alliance is this?!

[@Kingofdragons117]

Watch the video lol.

[@menderbug1]

@@Kingofdragons117 I clicked on this to ask the same thing, I have no interest in watching a video about IG but am highly interested in watching a video about orks :)

[@HankumStankums-ox9nn]

Feels like the Brit paras in Bridge too Far. I dig it.

[@desitri2956]

i guess this means the scion command squad will get a new rule

[@tariq5498]

And regular scions!

[@firestarr5812]

Super fun! Especially the ‘On my position’ strategem.

[@StarkMaximum]

This detachment looks like a lot of fun! I've been more interested in the Tempustus and the elites of the Guard lately, and this seems like a detachment that lets me really lean into them, along with a bit of "mechanized guard" vibe with the strat that boosts you if you just disembarked. I looooove lists focused on infantry sweeping objectives and claiming them so this seems like a real delight to play. God damn, now I want to build Guard.

[@shae98sc2]

The only thing I would have liked more from this detachment was more support for the Valkyries. I’m not a huge fan of the Tauroxes, but either way, looks fun!

[@Bormannator]

So based on this and the aeldari detachment, it's clear which codex most likely has the b team writing it.

[@Agent_doofus34]

I only have a few Scion units and I’m a bit sad about it only being tempestus scions/kasrkin as a main sub faction but honestly I like this a lot, can’t wait for my friend to charge my 5 man squad of scions with a tank and then CAS smoke it

[@brasssnacks8413]

cries in Tau as yet another faction gets a 1CP 6" deep strike that's better than our 2CP 6" deep strike

[@dominicl5862]

Montka is oppressive. Forces you to just sit back and not engage for 3 turns.

[@dozencatfish1667]

Nooby question, are battlesuits better than scions or rough equivalents?

[@polopo212]

@@dominicl5862 Montka is oppressive, Kadre got heavy nerfs... Guess i really need to print som kroot soon...

[@patrickordos425]

This is exactly the detachment i wanted

[@Green_Phos]

As a Krieg player, unfortunately this detachment doesn't do much for me but I've been waiting for ages for a strat that lets me drop artillery on units in engagement range... because what good Krieg commander _wouldn't_ think twice about doing that? Praying the "On My Position" strat makes its way to general use in the codex.

[@Wind-Whistler]

@@Green_Phos On My Position is hilarious for Krieg because it has potential to unlock the full power of Grim Demeanor with all their special weapons!

[@aaronstevens82]

So thankful for this, I love Tempestus, outside of a mostly vehicle-centric list my troops are always Tempestus. The ability to have 5 squads in deepstrike to put anywhere needed is so incredibly useful.

[@docterfantazmo]

Was worried you'd skipped the Orc detachment, let's go for the next vid!

[@badrabbit9703]

10:22 Don't forget the Crassus. It also has the Fire Support ability and can carry two full Scion units with Command Squads and Psykers attached.

[@DominatorLegend]

That one is 100% getting Legends'd

[@badrabbit9703]

@DominatorLegend wait. Was it removed from the store? Dammit.

[@ZaZi-Zeta01]

Not as of yet​@@badrabbit9703

[@mhbones475]

Hear me out: Bombast Vox-Array, 3x10 Scions, 1 command squad, inside a Crassus. Re-roll 1s/all hits, +1 to wounds, reroll wounds against 1 target after firing 4 heavy Bolters.

[@maxaslagolis]

I think its a fun detachment, not for me, but fun!

[@Backstabmacro]

I like Scions a lot, so this is a cool option to have.

[@TheBoggeln]

Love this, I was running 2 kasrkin with castellans to screen for 2 dorns supported by an enginseer each, and a singular tank commander. 2 basilisks sitting in the back, then 3 scions command squads each leading a unit of 10. This Detachment is amazing

[@supersarge24]

That sounds like an awesome setup lol

[@TheBoggeln]

@supersarge24 It works pretty well and leaves me with 45 points to use on enhancements

[@slyoldowl]

This looks fun and cool. If used right its a competitve detachment

[@craigkenny37]

I don’t think this detachment competes with the index detachment. But I think when the codex drops and we see a changed version of both the Combined Arms detachment and some of the datasheets, specifically the Scions, then it might be more competitive.

[@JankTank]

2:51 I have a very strong feeling that, behind the scenes, these detachments were made well after all of 10th's codices were completed.

[@357Dejavu]

3:17 isn’t that already a thing?

[@quincykunz3481]

the battleline bit is, but the +1 oc is new.

[@friendlyneighbourhoodsunwheel]

While it does support infantry and my favourite types of guard infantry, I still am a bit disappointed that there isn't a infantry regiment detachment coming. This is cool though.

[@ysbrann3059]

codex is comming

[@friendlyneighbourhoodsunwheel]

@ysbrann3059 but it wasn't listed in the types of detachment, we have mixed arms so everything detachment, mech infantry, tank heavy, light recon(scout sentinel light vehicle apparently) and artillery detachment.

[@EruCoolGuy]

"Bombast-Class vox-array". Because of what word this sounds like in my language, I am now picturing a voice caster on rails the size of an artillery cannon, with a crew to aim its deafening orders towards the good direction. Thank you, GW.

[@patrickordos425]

To be fair I feel like that's what it sounds like in English too lol

[@IW-44]

Actually might make Field Ord decent since they're technically infantry

[@KurisuFenrisWolf]

.... Did you miss the Ork one or am I just blind?

[@boredmagala5701]

Maybe there was an upload mistake

[@boredmagala5701]

He might also cover it later today

[@gordonfreeman2023]

It's up, he accidentally made the thumbnail purple.

[@frostypineapple]

He said it’s coming next. Could be a little more work to put together🤷‍♂️

[@boredmagala5701]

@@gordonfreeman2023 oh thanks

[@thatoneguynobodylikes8553]

My time has come. That said, I'm fairly sure you're incorrect about the bombast vox. It can't let you issue two orders to a single unit and then another order to a third. It lets you issue the same order to up to three total units.

[@frostedbutts4340]

Yeah it just clones one order to three units, seen a lot of people misreading it

[@benbaxter1047]

Great video AT. Im not a big fan of this detachment as I only have a fw old storm trooper models 😢. But it could be fun for a campaign game where guard units are dropped by gunship etc.

[@brunocamilliparisi9497]

SCIONS!!

[@PitFriend1]

It is really odd that the Taurox Prime doesn’t have the Militarum Tempestus keyword. They’re the only ones that can use the thing.

[@dustinhaus1165]

Anyone remember 4th edition doctrines. The drop troops one. Wave after wave of squads coming down, deviating

[@Troph2]

2 taurox primes, 2 command squads (command rods, medic packs), 2 five man scions, Ursula(deployed out back) NUKE. 4 orders, free strat, free CP on 4+ from strat. +1 to wound rolls, full rerolls, sustained 1.

[@dustinhaus1165]

Alien drone invasion...auspex tactics... alien drone invasion... auspex tactics....and here i am.

[@Punkstar911]

4:36 typo (unts)

[@WeOnlyEatSoup]

Called it

[@baval5]

Aww, I was hoping Guard would get their own version of Rad Bombardment

[@seleckcka7104]

Love this. A lot of fluffy stuff and they also paid attention to smaller things. Like adding an overal infantry buff or giving a nod to Kasarkin. Biggest take away for me is that wound roll buff. It always felt bad to me how there wasn´t really a viable infantry option to challenge vehicles. The buff equates to a 50% dmg buff against high thoughness targets with plasma/melta. In fact a full scion squad for 190 points has a good chance to take out a leman russ in one volley. Kind of expect a nerve coming since they can do this out of deep strike but I guess it could balance out with how easy they are to clear in return. I already see some potentially wild combos where you drop three full scion squads all with double orders. Also the redoply strategem combined with the vox array means that you can easily give out orders to scions from deep strike every turn you want. So many fun ideas arleady. :D

[@CatharsisChaser]

Super meh imho... most of the strats are mediocre at best (especially with the lack of reinforcements) , +1 to wound on one turn only is not as good as always getting lethal hits in the vast majority of cases, and nearly zero synergy with anything but tempestus the enhancements are quite nice but I don't think it's nearly enough As of now the combined arms detachment is better in almost every way... even when running a full scions skew

[@Lumovanis]

With Scions and Aquilons specifically, the +1 to wound is going to be stronger than lethals vs infantry/mounted. If your are running heavy on them and make use of the up/down strat, it will basically always be in effect when you need it. The strats in this detachment make the ones in combined arms look like a joke. This detachment is very strong... long as you are running lots of scions as intended. If you aren't... this isn't your detachment anyways.

[@jonathandurr2063]

I remember the good old day... My kaskrin army cout as scion with 6 valkyrie...

[@swheen]

Orks do sneaky their detach did not get covered

[@TimRobson30]

Wooo scions.

[@DaGitman]

He never reviewed the Orky detachment!

[@SnakeHistorian]

Also sentinals are not infantry they have regiment which is different so they don't get the boost

[@respawn939]

But, but what about the ork one ??😢😢

[@frostedbutts4340]

It was so sneaky Auspex missed it

[@_Morph1ne_]

Well all I need is 12 more boxes of scions and then I can use this detachment.

[@B__C__]

I'd just proxy in all of my spare Primaris lieutenants. 😊

[@dras-pv8qv]

So what exactly is the counter to this? Is it just running 3 units of infiltrator squads and screen the whole board out?

[@jimmydesouza4375]

That bombast vox array alone makes the detachment worthwhile. No more needing to set up a command blob.

[@wilshned]

Pretty disappointed. I only play guard. Don't have a massive interest in scions. I don't own any or any proxies. They don't fit my army. I was hoping for a more general abhumans and infantry detachment. Definitely feel left out of the party. I think I'll stick to born soldiers. I hope Scion enjoyers play the hek out of this. After the data slate feels a bit like being kicked while we're down.

[@damnationdan5253]

all 3 scions players must be happy

[@Swampert919]

You are getting your codex next month that'll have a ton of detachments that'll fit your army... these detachments are just to fill in gaps that the codex has/will leave, which for guard is a detachment for scions

[@rufusWoo]

Same. Afaik the preview didn’t suggest much love for infantry builds in the codex. I hope I’m wrong. In my world scions are their own army. They even had their own codex back in the day.

[@ahh9441]

Is Lord Solar mandatory?

[@thelegendsmith3063]

You skipped orks the audacity

[@Majere613]

I'm more than a little disappointed that we got this rather than a Renegade Guard detachment. It's daft that there's still no good way to play a Traitor Guard force when they're such a big factor in the lore.

[@B__C__]

Yet. There's still a codex to come.

[@Majere613]

@B__C__ IIRC they've already revealed the names of the detachments for the Codex, or at least what each one is about has been revealed, and none of them is Traitors.

[@Swampert919]

Why would they have a detachment for a completely different faction... thats like asking for a chaos space marine detachment to be added to the regular space marine codex. If theres gonna ever be one (outside of them getting their own codex) it'll be in one of the chaos codexes not astra militarum (and you can make a pretty good aproximation with the chaos cult detachment in CSM)

[@Majere613]

@@Swampert919 A Renegade Marine detachment is, coincidentally, exactly something else we should have. At the moment the instant a Marine Chapter turns Renegade their entire arsenal completely changes. Both a Renegade Guard and Marine detachment would involve their core Codex units but with keyword changes, and different ally options (i.e Chaos Knights and Daemons). As such, it's far easier to do as a variant detachment than as a Codex which would mostly just be reprints of loyalist stuff.

[@Swampert919]

@@Majere613 theres already a codex for renegade marines its the CSM codex... why would they print a detachment that's already being done. And again it makes a lot more sense for them to add a traitor guard detachment to chaos space marines than to astra militarum... theyve already got traitor guardsmen just give them access to some allied guard vehicles and youve got the detachement.

[@Booker8991]

It feels very one-dimensional, unfortunately. Scion blob just comes down, kills anything, then goes back into reserve to do it again next turn. Great fun. /s Great against armies who lack deepstrike denial, like Custodes and other elite factions, but will have difficult matchups against horde armies. I don't think the re-roll 1s will matter much for abhuman troops, since we can already get access to it via Scout Sentinels.

[@jimmydesouza4375]

It goes back into return after your fight phase. If you can't wipe it out in a turn then that's more of a you issue.

[@AlexDenton0451]

Mildly disappointed, I was hoping for a more generalized detachment than a specific type of infantry being focused on.

[@dimagoloborodko6106_va]

i think that a generalised detachment is going to be in the codex

[@RepublicOfUs]

"Pretty specialized" seems to be the theme of Grotmas.

[@DocWhat]

There’s gonna be a bunch of generalists in the codex. This is the only flavor we were missing in the codex

[@DumAzzFairy]

That is fair, I was hoping for a silly aircraft detatchment, but I'm not too surprised I saw a TON of people expecting this kind of thing

[@dras-pv8qv]

Isn't the index one generalized?

[@FirstNameLastName-ly5ty]

third

[@SteelStorm33]

i saw reroll 1s and knew it is complete garbage, everyone and their mother has reroll 1s.

[@Dannyboiii000]

Somebody doesn't like Orks

[@B__C__]

"WHO?! I'll krump 'em!" ~Gobstoppa da Evalastin'

[@nephelian8766]

first

[@jamesmorris8691]

Honestly this is just guard downgraded

[@ysbrann3059]

???

[@jamesmorris8691]

@ysbrann3059 no lethals, no vehicle support, reroll 1s on a detachment built for units that largely already get that or something better