New Big Picture - OUTLAW TANGENT

[@oliverordgar5166]

That closing point is so cathartic to hear as it’s one that I think so many people have forgotten or failed to learn, probably since forever but especially in the last decade. Yes, you’re free to be an arsehole. And everyone else is free to regard and treat you as such. If that upsets you, you’re not angry you’re being censored, you’re angry you’re unpopular, which is no one’s problem but your own.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

And if you're outnumbered when everybody turns on you? Well, shit, maybe you should have kept it to yourself.

[@Conner-mx5jl]

Who is the minority again? Let's be honest

[@johnathonhaney8291]

​@@Conner-mx5jl Yeah, we know you are. You don't have to keep reminding us on how little you matter.

[@Conner-mx5jl]

​@@johnathonhaney8291Oy vey! I got stumped

[@johnathonhaney8291]

​@@Conner-mx5jl Obviously, baka seru. Otherwise you'd have a snappier reply.

[@daelen.cclark]

Honestly: “let go, own up and move on” feels like a great mindset to have a lot of the time.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

Ironically, I love quoting the ONLY good line in the original Suicide Squad movie in conjunction with this: "Own that shit...OWN IT."

[@Conner-mx5jl]

For everyone

[@jadedheartsz]

@@johnathonhaney8291 I think it has other good lines.

[@SamVpresents]

That’s the true way to live

[@katherinealvarez9216]

Honestly, yes.

[@phroexx]

"And everyone else is free to tell to to fuck off about it" That's what they fear, Bob. That is what they fear.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

Indeed, which is why, like the fascist cowards they are, they band together and pray no one finds them out (spoiler alert: people always find them out).

[@Conner-mx5jl]

Bob the 100# right about the Hellboy thing though.

[@calebmarmon1310]

Yup. They’d rather attempt to rewrite the universe so their words and actions aren’t the problem.

[@1987MartinT]

Exactly. They want to say their bullshit and not get told that it's bullshit. In fact, quite a few of them want to be praised for saying it. So they think that if they phrase it in specific ways people will think that they have a point and won't realize that it's bullshit. Even though people with the intelligence to put 2 and 2 together do realize that it's bullshit.

[@uanime1]

Bob forgot that people are free to say the same to the things they don't like. Acolyte and Rings of Power are two examples of things that failed because the majority didn't like them.

[@lukepavitt4603]

Part of this reminds me of when Yahtzee Croshaw worked for the Escapist. He started doing the top 5 blandest because of how much video games had become emotionally numbing. So the movies are now noticeably following that trajectory.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

Was that way for movies for most of the 1990s, starting from, say, 1992 to 1997 or so. Then and now, the culture has shifted and Hollywood has no clue on how to tap the zeitgeist.

[@lukepavitt4603]

@johnathonhaney8291 interesting. Though I wonder, is there even the zeitgeist you speak of nowadays, besides hate and idiots? I admit I ignore the world a lot as it only depresses me, but I can't say I feel there's anything. Maybe that's also a result of the Internet just making everything current, and therefore, nothing takes centre stage, and the moment is just always present, causing everything to just become white noise.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

​@@lukepavitt4603 Oh, there's ALWAYS a zeitgeist, make no mistake. But tapping it takes the kind of work that the big corps don't do. When the next big pop culture movement breaks through, you'll see it finally get tapped. Oh and hate and idiots were also part of that stretch of the 1990s too.

[@louisduarte8763]

He still does his year-end best, wors, and blandest games lists, on his new shoe Fully Ramblomatic on the Second Wind channel.

[@lukepavitt4603]

@louisduarte8763 I know, I've followed Yahtzees work for years... I'm on about the fact that there was so much bland material occuring in the media that he had to include it as its own catagory just to acknowledge it as it had become the seemingly standard for the time, now movies seem to be following suit.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

4:05 As a longtime fan of the film Annie (one of the final films of legendary director John Huston), I heartily approve of that "fuck you" to the creator.

[@Launchpad05]

You must like paying high taxes, huh.

[@ArchOfWinter]

For some reason, people developed this personal ideology that it is morally objectionable to find fault within things they like, so when they find something they don't like, they have to justify this dislike with an outside force. This is some paranoid world view. It is not a personal fault to dislike something from some bigger things you like.

[@yonghominale8884]

I blame Donald Trump and Right wing Trolls for promoting this view.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

​@@yonghominale8884 As you should...all because time is catching up with them.

[@nerag7459]

What I find hilarious is the criticism of Star Wars and the complete lack of criticism of Andor. Andor is the wokest Star Wars ever but the worst criticism they offer is that it is boring.

[@SpoopySquid]

​​@@nerag7459oh they hated Andor too at first... until it proved to be popular, at which point they immediately pivoted to sating they'd always loved it

[@adamdavis1648]

​@@nerag7459 I find it amusing when they claim Star Wars was never political before the sequel trilogy. Because "if a government is bad enough, it should be overthrown, and risking your life to overthrow it through armed force is heroic" is apparently an apolitical message....somehow.

[@happyninja42]

Yeah I'm actually seeing that very "ugly women is a conspiracy" thing in the discussion forums on steam for Starfield like RIGHT NOW. it's hilariously pathetic.

[@nerag7459]

Seeing it quoted at me in comments on YT relating to 40K (because of course). I'm arguing that computer games are a profession and no one wants to put their hand up to making characters that look like sex dolls and also having a woman show up in makeup strains credulity in places. Look at Horizon Forbidden West where they got angry at women having cheek fuzz and outing themselves as not having been close to a woman's face. These young men are convinced its a conspiracy to normalize trans women or something.

[@happyninja42]

@@nerag7459 oh they've got all kinds of crazy theories. one i saw was "why can't they model them to look like the actresses? they can do it with the guys?" and then they'll have screenshots of the male characters and their actors (who often look almost identical to the real person), and then the female character and their actors (and there is a significant difference in appearance). and I find it disturbing and hilarious that they don't see why that might be. in a thread that boils down to "waaah! they're not hot enough to make me sexually aroused!" that maaaaybe they don't want people sexualizing the real female actresses, and using them for spank material. i mean given how many terrabytes of 3d pron is out there, modeled precisely like the various characters in video games....MAYBE they are taking steps to make sure the women (because let's be real here, nobody cares about sexualizing the guys,that's not where the market really is) aren't being turned into sex puppets in every 3d rendering software out there. In fact I think they've actually passed a few laws about that, clamping down on it.

[@AnonymousAnonposter]

Yes, playing Starfield is pretty pathetic.

[@TheBakedPotato]

You know, posting the old videos of The Big Picture, you really get a timeline of the evolution of these movements. And like, the general shift from giving them the benefit of the doubt to just being tired of their gaslighting.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

Ten years of chasing a mirage of control...what a pathetic waste of everyone's time, their own included.

[@monkeyking9863]

to add to this you dont need to like every product of an IP either.

[@johnvinals7423]

I think part of Stephen King’s frustration with “The Shining” (1980) is that, even though Kubrick came up with all the iconic visuals and setpieces of that movie, all of the actual thematic meat about toxic family dynamics and legacies of the past haunting the present and alcoholism and depression and toxic masculinity destroying people…came from his own prose and yet people act like Kubrick “elevated” the material anyway.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

You can criticise Kin's writing and there is wnough reason for that but if there is one strong point in his writing it's creating believable characters and their psychology. Even if the supernatural elements are crazy or ridiculous you always get drawn in by the relatable characters, warts and all.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

Which, speaking as a writer myself, I KNOW had to be frustrating. It's not too different from Jerry Siegel's 1970s lament on how Superman had changed into something alien after the publisher screwed him out of the rights to the superhero he and Joe Shuster had created.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

@@johnathonhaney8291 yeah, well, we all know how the good comic publishers were honoring their artists (i.e. not good at all).

[@johnathonhaney8291]

​@@sathrielsatanson666 Siegel and Shuster were Patient Zero on that treatment, though. The only guy from their era who escaped ALL that was Will Eisner...and then because he was EXTREMELY lucky in his publisher.

[@louisduarte8763]

Has he liked any adaptation of his works?

[@Berengier817]

Coworker of mine hated The Acolyte and was only talking about talking points from Star Wars theory. The show was heavily influenced by Darth Bane novels and he had no idea. When I told him this he then changed the argument to "do something original." Nothing in Star Wars is original. It literally cannot be

[@nerag7459]

They tried that with the Last Jedi, they hated it.

[@user-vg8ox3he1i]

I would have just said, that it sucked. Who cares if it's based on source material but either that material is bad or adapted poorly.

[@GitaraDad]

Acolyte. Poor ratings. No one watched. Season 2 cancelled.

[@BlueBeetle1939]

"Its fun to have fun but you have to know how"

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

"Let people have fun" is the ultimate admission that you don't know why you like the things you think you like, and that you're incapable of being critical about the things you consume.

[@BlueBeetle1939]

@@TheEvilCheesecake it's a Dr Seuss quote

[@Conner-mx5jl]

​@@BlueBeetle1939 don't explain the reference let them do the work 😊

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

@@Conner-mx5jl who's working? you should just let me have my fun.

[@dudere]

@@TheEvilCheesecake Is it wrong to not be able to explain why you like something?

[@thetribunaloftheimaginatio5247]

"Anime jailbait." Bob tells it like it is.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

All the way throughout this video, Trib. Every bit of this seemed to convey a message that none of these losers want to acknowledge.

[@thetribunaloftheimaginatio5247]

@@johnathonhaney8291 Yeah, the thesis here seems to be "There's no law against being an asshole, so why not own it instead of taking the good time and trouble to 'call the banners' or whatever the hell?"

[@johnathonhaney8291]

​@@thetribunaloftheimaginatio5247 My guess? They got a REALLY clear idea on what will happen next. And it's everything they want to avoid.

[@thetribunaloftheimaginatio5247]

@@johnathonhaney8291 Right... all of the outrage, none of the consequences. They wanna Talk Shit without Getting Hit.

[@zainmudassir2964]

Lol people with anime girl avatars are often reactionaries who fetishize Japan as 'not-woke'

[@SilortheBlade]

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from responsibility.

[@BaithNa]

Or consequences

[@johnathonhaney8291]

And yet this is what those losers want. Consequences suck that way.

[@Conner-mx5jl]

What is a women?

[@johnathonhaney8291]

​@@Conner-mx5jl You're the answer to the question of "what is a Gen X loser?"

[@Conner-mx5jl]

​@@johnathonhaney8291we can be friends though. If you're willing to try

[@MD0K]

God, if bob could just polish his aesthetics and upgrade his presentation a bit he could be more algorithm ready, cause man he is one of the few cultural critics whose takes are the right mix of blunt and nuanced that more people should hear.

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

The few times that "normal people" have noticed Bob, it's gone...not well. I'd prefer his audience stays small and his voice stays his. His current news commentary is never his best work.

[@Conner-mx5jl]

I've bin a fan of Bob for years. His problem is if politics doesn't come up he's probably one of the best nostalgic media critics on the Internet

[@anonymaton948]

@@Conner-mx5jlI discovered him when he went to screw attack, then went back and found all his other stuff, and I can safely say that I’ll watch almost anything from him

[@francesconicoletti2547]

@@Conner-mx5jlhe is one of the best critics on the internet because he doesn’t segment life into buckets and he doesn’t pretend to have an objective view. His experience including his politics will therefore color his reviews.

[@Conner-mx5jl]

​@@francesconicoletti2547Fair enough, Bob does not view his opinions as opinions he views them as common sense. If you don't agree with him you're either stupid or evil in his mind. I love Bob's videos btw

[@Kuzna22]

Sweet Baby is a small company which holds MegaCorp status to these guys. It's funny.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

Sigh...gods, don't I know it. Just another pathetic boogeyman for them to hype up.

[@Kuzna22]

@@johnathonhaney8291 I'm.amused at how many games SBI has supposedly worked on, yet somehow they fail to mention it on their site.

[@nerag7459]

I never realised they control the entire world somehow.

[@Skyhigh91100]

Genuinely thought it was a streamer’s handle or something, I’ve stopped trying to keep up with what the latest rage target is.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

​@@Skyhigh91100 Trust me, not worth it to keep up.

[@isin4b]

I thought we liked "Sigourney Weaver in the first two Alein movies" AND "Scifi tomboy chick"s, what do these nerds even want anymore? I feel like nerds are the most pandered to we have ever been in my life, and there are people complaining about it? These people clearly did not grow up not being able to talk about Anime in public.

[@propheci]

Man, preach it. I remember when getting marvel super heroes in the arcades was ground breaking, when you could only dream of seeing batman and superman together in the same film, and when you had to be lucky enough to find anime bootlegged from LASERDISK. ALL of this stuff is on demand now, which kills me when these grifters complain all the time...

[@jordansweet8054]

I agree. I heard someone explain what women actually want: They want a few specific things but don't want to feel you're doing it on purpose or are trying .I feel it's the same way with fandom.

[@Launchpad05]

We just wanted the lead to look less creepy, and more like A normal girl.

[@TheSorrel]

I think what distinguishies the AVGN from ragebaitung Grifters is that the show aknowledges that the AVGN is a childish asshole. Like, yeah, Rolfe does make a case when the game actually does something bad, but when it comes to personal taste or even the reason why the AVGN plays through a game that just aggrivates him the answer is pretty openly "Well, the Nerd is a moron!"

[@det.bullock4461]

The funny thing is that two of the few documented cases where the hijacking happened are due to anime director Yoshiyuki Tomino, with the first Gundam and Ideon he allegedly lied to the sponsors who wanted a classic robot superhero for little kids to sell toys and he did indeed sell them as such, instead he made war dramas with giant robots that half the times ended in tragedy and were considered kind of offputting at the time by the supposed target audience, with the first Gundam in particular tanking hard in terms of audience. He hijacked his projects with his ideology and we still thank him for it and for some reason people say it's an inherently bad thing.

[@DavidRichardson153]

Except that is not hijacking. That is simply deceptive marketing - or as it is better known as, marketing - or lying (why did I repeat myself?). Hijacking is when something is already underway towards its stated goal, and then someone (usually from the outside, but it can happen entirely internally) suddenly takes over and changes the current course in some (often wildly major) way. Given that Tomino was in charge of the production from the beginning, that is not hijacking. You can argue that putting his ideology to a media may or may not have been good, but because he was running the show from the start, it was not a hijacking. What it was was a scam, which may sound overly harsh, given what came out of it - i.e. an actual tangible and marketable product, even if it was different from what was pitched to the sponsors - but the outline and details of it make it a scam and not a hijacking.

[@jadedheartsz]

that also apparently happened with the original Walking Dead comics, apparently the creator pitched a story about how there was going to be a big twist where the zombies were going to have been created by aliens(which does actually sound like a cool idea)but that story turned out to be a lie and he went in a totally different direction.

[@louisduarte8763]

@@jadedheartsz AT this point, alien super-science making zombies actually sounds original within that subgenre. That or bringing zombies back to their roots in magic.

[@nerag7459]

I'd say Arcane is 'hijacking' at least Season 1. You can't actually make a series about well rounded characters based on League of Legends. Its not right. Its not true to the source material.

[@DevilSurvivor69]

I think he tried to hijack Sunrise's attempts to make sequels to his work because he really hated (at least early on) making sequels. That's why he killed off a lot of the casts of his work, hence his nickname " Kill 'em all" Tomino.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

Okay, Mr Chipman...that summed up about every thought I've got about these losers (who are definitely in our Gen X age bracket) who can't stop whining. For refusing to own their shit, they come off as cowards. Gods help them when corporations finally figure out Gen Z enough to never bother with the incels again.

[@BrotherAlpha]

Schlocktober! Just seeing that word made me giggle. I can't wait. I watch the compilations while I work.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

6:46 I concur with your conclusions on Batman V Superman, Mr Chipman. There was enough blame to go around for everybody on that one. With that said, I have never stopped finding it unbelievably disgusting that Snyder pushed the "unjustly suppressed auteur" Randian BS afterwards to get the cult to push for "the Snyder Uncut" of Justice League (which made pinning the sole blame on him for his DCEU failures that much easier).

[@jadedheartsz]

i'll defend that movie on my deathbed personally but it was cowardly of WB to act like they didn't know exactly what kind of movie Snyder was doing. Snyder isn't a hardcore Rand fanboy and given how badly the studio treated over Justice League(basically using his own daughters death to cut him out of the film)I think his actions were justified and it wasn't just "The cult" that wanted his cut plenty of normal non alt-right folks like myself wanted it too, I am sooooo goddamn sick of so-called progressive individuals acting like every single Snyder fan is pure eeeeeeeeeeeevil.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

​​@@jadedheartsz Too bad, so sad. Snyder exploited a bunch of gullible dopes for personal gain...and I feel bad for neither of them. Fact is not enough showed up for the Snyder Uncut to make it worth all the poison that was pumped out. So you get no pity from me.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

​@@jadedheartsz You're known by the company you keep.

[@kami_in_the_skye]

Pro-Tip: Whining about being painted with a broad brush while simultaneously tossing the word progressive around like it's a slur ain't exactly making you sound like one of the good ones, mate.

[@jadedheartsz]

@@kami_in_the_skye I didn't say it "like a slur" genius, you're not one of the good ones yourself if that was your takeaway from that whole thing, i'm saying it's stupid to judge people for simply liking a piece of media you don't like and frankly that does not make you look any better then those far-right outrage trolls that you claim to oppose. I'm saying there are some people that present themselves as progressive on the surface but show themselves to be quite hateful and narrow-minded in other ways. Like i've came across people that claim to be open-minded that treat anyone that writes erotic fanfiction as a demon-incarnate basically, lost the respect of several people on a forum I used to frequent and can't say that I miss behind around judgmental dickweeds like that.

[@tolchok89]

6:03 - 6:46 I think the myth about "WB was against Snyder's vision from the start" might have gotten mixed up or conflated with the behind-the-scenes of Fant4stic, like Fox realised that Josh Trank had turned in an unwatchable movie that was not helped by his erratic behaviour on set, and so desperately tried to polish a turd. Like, Fox only rushed Fant4stic into production at the last minute because they had to put out a Fantastic Four movie to keep the rights, and Trank's original vision deviated so much from the source material that it might not have met the legal requirements Fox had to follow.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

Plausible...it wouldn't be that far a leap in logic for the dumb nerds to think that's what happened to Snyder (even as it's a totally different situation).

[@IGR8691]

"deviated so much from the source material" Have you read all _sixty years_ of the source material of the Fantastic Four? While I'm not familiar with Josh's "original vision" I'm skeptical that one couldn't find something in those sixty years of FF material that was pretty close to whatever Josh had come up with.

[@tolchok89]

@@IGR8691 I doubt the origin story in the main continuity was ever retconned to be a cross between The Fly and Interstellar. And Trank allegedly forbid the cast and crew from reading any comics, so it's possible any similarities between the comics and his vision was coincidental.

[@darkmyro]

honestly "woke" has become such a nebulous thing on the right side of politics to me it sounds like " anything left leaning bad" and I feel like it says more about the creator than the work they're trying to critique. like they aren't mad because its "woke" they're mad cause they're self aware enough to see that it has more left leaning ideas in it, and they're getting all pissy about it.

[@Seadragon77]

And that's part of the scheme here. If they ever mentioned what they thought what 'woke' means to them, the mask comes off - because it's basically a cover to justify their racism/sexism/misogyny.

[@nerag7459]

I interpret woke as meaning : "I don't like this for reasons I can't or won't articulate."

[@darkmyro]

@@nerag7459 I take it more as "I recognize this has themes that I don't agree with as a right leaning content creator, but i have nebulous reasons as to why i think its bad" it mostly comes in three flavors as to why they think its bad too its either " diversity/inclusivity bad"( some kind of white eraser) or " why cant i say things I want without people calling me on it" or " I believe this conspiracy theory and your stupid for not believing it" and that usually takes the form of " I hate that they changed the race/sex of a character because they used to be a white guy" or " why are people getting mad at me cause I referred to a character as a slur?" or " I'm mad at this random person that someone told me i should be mad at cause other people told me i should be mad at them cause they said something left leaning one time.

[@yungmuney5903]

Its a floating signifier, the right has always loved floating signifiers.

[@Syurtpiutha]

It's one of the reasons when someone uses 'woke' in conversation I always ask them what they mean by that. Then explain the origin and meaning of the term in African American Vernacular English, and see where we go from there. For many people its use by the right-wing is their first encounter with the term.

[@jasonguarnieri4127]

That anime jail bait line reminded me of the time someone put Honoka for DOA into a program that determines your age from your face and it said she was twelve years old.

[@Aiddon]

No kidding, Star Wars Outlaws isn't mediocre because of wokeness. It's mediocre because it's another Ubisoft sandbox, the unseasoned mashed potatoes of gaming. It's such an Ubisoft sandbox Yahtzee had to go "You. Know. HOW IT PLAYS" when having to get around to describing gameplay. And yeah, overall, people are just cowards who don't want to admit they carry retrograde opinions. It's so dumb and boring.

[@Carabas72]

It's a perfectly fine game genre, especially if you only play one of them every couple of years instead of two every month.

[@jadedheartsz]

I think Outlaws is a perfectly fine game for what it is, I enjoy Ubisoft's sandbox games as they tickle my autism brain the right away(except for the AC games, those never grabbed me for whatever reason).

[@jadedheartsz]

@@Carabas72 yeah that's how I am and that's why many fans enjoyed a game like Days Gone more then critics did.

[@Aiddon]

@@Carabas72 It really isn't anymore, not since Breath of the Wild came out and made the genre about exploring again instead of filling the map with copy-pasted sludge

[@Carabas72]

@@Aiddon I have played only one of these that was literally just that, and it was the one that everybody seems to like: Ghost Of Tsushima. Can't speak about the Zelda game. I'll be glad to play Nintendo's games the day I don't have to buy a seperate console to play them on.

[@redinfernal_]

All those people trying to claim that Aloy is ugly when she looks exactly the fucking same as her character model Hannah Hoekstra, is completely batshit insane.

[@avianblade]

This. This feels so gross to me. There's mods for BG3 to make the characters "better" (sexier, more attractive, not talking about the ones trying to do racist shit), and every time I see them, I'm just like "...they mo-capped the actors facial expressions as they gave their lines and made them look like the actor (aside from tweaks for fantasy biology). Like, it just shows that the "beauty standard" for both men and women is literally unattainable. Dudes out here saying the frankly quite attractive set of voice actors for the game need "fixing" before they can find them attractive just makes my heart hurt.

[@mabusestestament]

@@redinfernal_ Not exactly, no.

[@gamelairtim]

Certain people: “Some evil conspiracy is making media bad!” Me: “Yeah; capitalism and investors who won’t take chances.” Them: “No, some other evil conspiracy!”

[@Launchpad05]

Hollywood hates you. That's not A conspiracy.

[@Rubberman202]

I've seen this sentiment echoed in other videos that aren't explicitly about this subject, you can, in fact, simply not like a thing and not have it be indicative of a bigger wider problem.

[@jonflora1]

I remember renting Blueberry and thinking "hmm, Vincent Cassel in western, this might be good." I was a bit...surprised by the trippy turn, good fun though.

[@SphinxOfBlackQuartz]

This may genuinely be your best video ever. Thank you for posting it!

[@Pecisk]

.....I actually like how Kay looks 🤷‍♂

[@jinpei05]

Same.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

Because she looks pretty close to what an actual pretty girl in RL does, right? That's honestly kind of a relief.

[@ByMonitorLight]

Agreed. She has that Latina/Asian blend going on, with a bit of 80s aesthetic, that makes her cute, but with an exotic allure. Then again, she's not in danger of a concussion from below every time jumps a little, so I can see why 12 year-olds in ill-fitting man-suits are upset and struggling to crack one out over their pause-screens.

[@digitaljanus]

This is the first I've heard about this game but...she looks like the kind of woman who would appear in a late 70s/early 80s movie? Like she could have easily shared the screen with Sigourney Weaver in Alien or Adrienne Barbeau in an early John Carpenter movie? If she had popped up in Mos Eisley in A New Hope no one would have batted an eye?

[@nerag7459]

Reminds me of that Terry Pratchett quote along the lines of 'she would be good looking if she had a bath, manicure, hairstyle and a pick of the leather outfits offered at one of those adult stores...'

[@philbarbato]

I mean all of their other more ridiculous ideas aside, how could any sane human not think Alien/s Ripley is extremely hot? What is wrong with these people?!

[@Alisterplayz]

Bob, been a fan and Patreon subscriber for years… And that was your best episode. Keep up the great work, sir.

[@Alverant]

YT tried to send me one of those videos. The thumbnail added like 100lbs of fat on the Outlaws protagonist and blamed everything on "woke". Worst thing is that the guy was Hispanic and his fan base would turn on him in an instant. A loud group of people are upset they're not getting the special treatment they feel entitled to and they're blaming everyone else for their awful behavior.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

You'll notice a lot of them--dare I even say the majority--are white Gen Xers who are feeling time finally pass them over. All they're doing is ensuring no one misses them when they're gone.

[@jadedheartsz]

unfortunately there's a lot of bigoted non-whites out there too(see also the vocalist for Trapt).

[@suijin25]

To quote Abe Simpson, "I used to be with ‘it’, but then they changed what ‘it’ was. Now what I’m with isn’t ‘it’ anymore and what’s ‘it’ seems weird and scary." I think the ones that drank the Flavor-aid, took this a little too much to heart. Oh-No.

[@IGR8691]

Mad props on getting "drank the Flavor-aid" contextually correct! That's been one of my pedantic pet peeves for the longest time.

[@Xecryo]

They buy into it because it is somebody telling them what they want to hear. They don’t want to hear someone else’s opinion, they want to hear their opinion come out of someone else’s mouth. It’s why I think the thing that frustrates me more is every. Single. Time. It is “Star Wars is over!” or “The MCU is dead!” And it’s just not and even if an MCU movie is just fine that’s fine with me my self worth isn’t tied to the success of Star Wars or Marvel like it is with them. It’s like they want me to witness their sadness and that’s what they get off on.

[@GreenTeaGal01]

so glad you finally put in words what i've already been thinking for some time

[@120salvo]

Speaking of movies hijacked by the director, what about Freddie Got Fingered? Supposedly the studio was keeping close tabs on Tom Green, but Tom was stringing them along saying “trust me this is what kids find funny” and released an intentional bomb with the joke being he got it made. Some of the executive notes are even incorporated into the movie’s plot word for word. Might make an interesting This Movie Exists even if it isn’t true.

[@CornishCreamtea07]

You do make a good point about making videos on KZbin mocking media. AVGN, Nostalgia Critic and ZP started that in the late 00s, and did well on it for some time. And that changed because games and films mostly achieve good enough, and also most people just bored with it. The more talented people took up video essays, though they do tend to have their issues, and the less talented resorted to modern day Yellow Journalism.

[@jinpei05]

I'm mad at you for bringing Star Wars Theory to my attention. That guy is just a human blight.

[@qazhr]

Thank you for saying I’m a tourist who only here to say the leftist message is more important then anything 😊

[@jinpei05]

@@qazhr work on your English

[@johnathonhaney8291]

Better to know who to avoid.

[@jinpei05]

​@@johnathonhaney8291i guess but ignorance is bliss

[@troyjardine5850]

​@@qazhr​ if you have a problem with "leftism", then BOY do I have some news for you about Star Wars and George Lucas

[@crossaffliction]

If you've already seen the This Movie Exists episode, this feels like MovieBob's version of a Choose Your Own Adventure story. They both begin literally exactly the same, but go one direction, and you're in another dissection of popular culture, and go in the other, and you learn about a French Western called 'Blueberry' where being a French Western called 'Blueberry' is not even the weird part.

[@IGR8691]

I just watched it last night because of Movie Bob's companion video on "Blueberry". It was an interesting experience. It's on Prime right now (Sep 24). Be warned though, the "Renegade" titled version (as it was released in the USA) is a very poor-quality transfer crudely trimmed to a 4:3 aspect ratio for some reason. The one with the original "Blueberry" title is a much better-looking widescreen version.

[@dwc1964]

Catching up on content since I've been away for a week, I just came here from the third installment of Pillar of Garbage's "Grifterverse" series, which explores this whole thing from a somewhat different angle - good companion pieces to each other, this and those, imho

[@jacobbengert5531]

Harrison Bergeron is not a reference I hear every day. That warms my heart!

[@SlightlySychotic]

I’ll give you another example. I read this is an EGM article decades ago but apparently the husband and wife duo who directed the original Super Mario wanted to hijack the film and turn it into Blade Runner with dinosaurs. The article didn’t directly draw that line (I imagine flat out writing it might have resulted in litigation) but the directors had spent years shopping a project around Hollywood that took place in a scifi world where dinosaurs evolved into people. When they were signed on to the Mario movie, they agreed on the terms that they would be able to change the genre (fantasy to science fiction) and be able to rewrite the script as needed. They then shifted pre-production to create a bunch of dinosaur creatures that did not remotely resemble Mario characters including a few that would have guaranteed the movie an R rating if they had reached the screen. It’s likely they would have made their Dinosaur Runner movie if the producers hadn’t visited the set on the first day of shooting and asked why there were dinosaur strippers in a children’s movie. From there the movie descended into chaos and the script had to be rewritten as they shot (probably because it had nothing to do with the Mario brothers). When the shooting ended, the producers took the movie away from the directors to edit it so they couldn’t possibly make last minute alterations. The directors were blacklisted immediately afterwards as I’m sure it got out that they nearly stole a movie to make their own.

[@AndrewMcColl]

This is why I've started responding to trolls and complainers by asking them straight up "so, which movies/tv shows/etc do you enjoy?" Unsurprisingly, they never have an answer to the question.

[@indianaCurtis]

Because 💰 they grift poor gullible people who have genuine criticism of pop culture and distort it to act like they're fighting some big war against "WoKe whamen DEI " whatever 🙄 but yeah that's why

[@johnathonhaney8291]

They've tried to push an alternative a few times (anyone remember the live-action version of Battle Angel Alita?) only to watch their picks crash and burn. These days, they're more likely to flip the script on a project they initially despised and make like they were with it all along.

[@junzeroni]

It's like that Rick & Morty scene where Rick's dealing with a fascist Morty and says "Hey, you know what? It would really help if you could just talk about anything other than what you DON'T want!" The simple truth is that these people are either (a.) degenerate manchildren who, like asshole children, are addicted to throwing rage tantrums for attention or (b.) grifting liars who are putting on a bullshit performance in order to get on top of the algorithm.

[@BoBnfishy]

"Ben Shapiro dry dream" lmfao

[@andrewoldham3675]

What's even worse is that these people act like they're "deeply intelligent free thinkers" and yet are constantly checking on what others in their echo chamber are thinking just to make sure they're marching in lock-step solidarity. Take Jeremy from Geeks and Grifters, for example. He actually initially loved The Last Jedi and posted a positive review of it (which he has since deleted, but you can find reuploads if you know where to look) but as soon as it became profitable to hate on The Last Jedi, he deleted those vids and pretended he was always on the Last Jedi hate bandwagon so he could get the clicks that the rest of the bandwagon did.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

That, BTW, is cult behavior. And cults rarely end well.

[@spartantell]

One of your best, Bob.

[@claytonrios1]

Well we mostly get lukewarm stuff with the occasional gem like Oppenheimer or Inside Out 2 and the occasional turd like Borderlands.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

No matter what anybody tells you otherwise, that was ALSO most of 1990s cinema right there. Not offensive but oh, so bland.

[@jadedheartsz]

Borderlands was fine but really needed an R rating to do the source material justice.

[@jadedheartsz]

@@johnathonhaney8291 yeah so many shitty Oscar bait movies like Cider House Rules and The English Patient that nobody fucking remembers now..

[@johnathonhaney8291]

​@@jadedheartsz You forget The Butcher Boy...justly so.

[@jadedheartsz]

@@johnathonhaney8291 never heard of it but it sounds neat.

[@mopnem]

So glad to find a level headed channel that actually is informed & critical/objective. Very much needed on KZbin

[@butchdeadlift10]

6:27 Suddenly screaming in my house "THEN WHY DID WE STILL GET STUCK WITH EZRA MILLER IN THE FLASH!?"

[@BeelzebozoTime69]

I'll throw my opinion in this ocean. Maybe someone will hear it. The reason these people are so mad and the reason these people need conspiracies is because of the same reason why calling them "weird" worked so well. It's because they see themselves as The Norm, normal people, white fences, apple pie, and all of that. And when a lot of things are popular that don't reflect their tastes, that shows that maybe they don't have the corner on the market of being The Baseline. And since they can't POSSIBLY be not the baseline, they have normal tastes that the vast majority of other people should also share, it must be the work of a small cabal of Politically-Correct, WOKE, DEI, whatever the scare word is today, persons who are now forcing these things down their throats. Because if it's the way things are supposed to be, all of the video game women would be damsels in distress that look like the fungible blonde FOX newreaders.

[@varmintx0]

"eating pets" What the fuck? Nevermind, I don't even want to know.

[@fredericchristie3472]

If you pay attention to politics, it's not going to go away. I am so sorry we're in this timeline together, comrade. Stay strong.

[@TheArtist808]

It's a rerun. We've heard it before

[@Seanzy121]

I see you missed the presidential debate

[@johnathonhaney8291]

No, my friend, you REALLY don't. And I say that as someone who saw it said.

[@Conner-mx5jl]

Ohio

[@nickasaro8789]

6:26 Thank you for, in addition to calling out the bs from the usual suspects, throwing some cold water on the version of auteur theory that seems to be taken as gospel around film discussion spaces online where the only worthwhile stuff can come from people with absolute control. Because that is impossible, just as a practical reality.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

Harlan Ellison never believed auteur theory, calling most directors guys who couldn't direct themselves to a toilet on a soundstage. He was onto something.

[@FullMetalLuffy]

It's really sad when the faux performative outrage over 'woke agenda' ends up being the loudest in the room. I would love it if the topic of discussion for any ubisoft game is instead how they're still making games and have any credibility left after all those abuses came to light

[@johnathonhaney8291]

It's a worthwhile topic, one that could lead to further exploration of how the entire video industry is rife with such abuse. But nooooo...all the angry nerds want to talk about is their phony culture war and how they're no longer being pandered to.

[@ChumblesMumbles]

Doesn't help that the KZbin algorithm prioritizes catchy thumbnails including provocative statements, usually negative ones. Disaster! Worst Ever! A Crime Against XYZ! or any other sub-group's catchy word of the day - Woke! DEI! LOLFail! or many I don't even know. It's a mixed bag of good and bad doesn't get the clicks. And once they promise the apocalypse in the thumbnail, they have to deliver it, no matter how disingenuous that may be.

[@AresAlpha]

On the bright side, we can now dismiss all the negative criticism of the things we like as part of a Russian op.

[@Launchpad05]

You must like paying for $100.000 dollars in groceries, don't you.

[@AresAlpha]

@@Launchpad05 Я бы не знал. Со мной такого никогда не случалось.

[@Launchpad05]

@@AresAlpha You must not live in America.

[@AresAlpha]

@@Launchpad05 sorry, I just thought you wanted me to respond in your native tongue.

[@Joshua_Shadow_Manriguez]

I'm pretty sure Conservatives hated the Beaver because Osha asked what the Beaver's pronouns were.

[@laicorissylvanwood4368]

See I would consider that a fair question. It’s a beaver; with as far as I can tell no super obvious dimorphism for me to even make an assumption. It’s literally a quick and to the point fact finding quest so we know how to address our new comrade in adventure.

[@Joshua_Shadow_Manriguez]

@laicorissylvanwood4368 agreed, but because "pronouns" it automatically has to be bad and "jilted dialog".

[@seanwilkinson7431]

Sexy video game characters and recognizable IP mascots are the superficial draw. Gameplay and story are for retention. You buy Tomb Raider because Lara Croft is a large-breasted woman in sexy Die Hard cosplay with a British accent. You keep playing after you've seen that character model do everything the game allows because she’s a self-reliant, physically and emotionally strong historian who can push multiple tons of rock with her bare hands and go toe to toe with rabid wild animals and giant alien robots.

[@lorenzodawkins7500]

Anger merchants 😂😂😂

[@jacklindsey8400]

Uh bob... I really need you to build on that Hellboy thing, cause... if true what the fudge!?

[@uraby]

8:00 *checks Bob's videos* The video is still there!

[@Wonko-bj4jx]

To Annie and Starship Trooper's you might add Altman's The Long Goodbye, where the famously gun averse Philip Marlowe shoots someone.

[@digitaljanus]

I wasn't sure I would like that movie, because Humphrey Bogart's Marlowe in The Big Sleep is so definitive, but I did like The Long Goodbye. I like to see different interpretations of similar material, we should encourage it instead of the opposite.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

You...never saw The Big Sleep with Bogie, did you?

[@johnathonhaney8291]

​@@digitaljanus My personal favorite version is the Robert Mitchum one in Farewell My Lovely, a wore-down old man who's just getting by and not that well.

[@Doewiebele]

Listening to this felt very cathartic

[@absoul112]

14:00 I won't lie, I forgot about that. Got a good laugh out of me.

[@EtruskenRaider]

I’m still mad there’s no Hellboy 3. On the other hand the version of Hellboy 3 that exists in my head is probably better than anything they’d actually make at this point. There’s a universe somewhere where it exists but at least I get to enjoy Golden Army any chance I want.

[@charleslarue792]

I'm not always into your episodes that are more culture-war-focussed. But you were cookin' in this one.

[@juanmanuelpenaloza9264]

All I know is these guys tend to shut up real fast if the thing they rail against ends up being good. Example: Concord. There's a lot that went wrong with that game. But even if "wokeness" was a factor, it seems miniscule compared to an eight year dev cycle, lack of advertisement, $40 price tag, toxic work environment, stubborn execs not realizing the hero shooter gravy train has left, etc. COD Black Ops Cold War on the other hand, that thing had a non-binary option in the character profile menu, for a game set in REAGAN'S 80s!! And all people were talking about was "Are the glitches fixed yet?"

[@johnathonhaney8291]

3:08 Given that I found the original Mike Mignola comics way more boring, badly written and just snoozefests, especially compared to the first two movies, he should be thankful Del Toro is the reason why ANYBODY outside comic circles even KNOWS Hellboy.

[@Conner-mx5jl]

Bob's right. Mignola doesn't like the original Hellboy movies but doesn't say anything about it

[@johnathonhaney8291]

​@@Conner-mx5jl Was I asking you?

[@DozyBinsh]

THE FIRST AMENDMENT GIVES ME THE RIGHT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY HOW DARE YOU

[@Starbolt-81]

God bless you Bob, your ability to eloquently summarise this shit in ways i lack the ability to do on my own is brilliant.

[@riokamichika1101]

Yeah, considering that Star Wars Outlaws was a financial flop and The Acolyte was cancelled after one season, I'd say the supposed "angry nerd" community were on to something when criticizing them. Granted, they could've worded things better, but there was a reason to why they've failed.

[@stonekidman2306]

You're not wrong but you really need to stay off twitter, man. At least for your blood pressure

[@johnathonhaney8291]

The problem is that right now, there is no real alternative to go to. Several tried and only one I know of is still going strong. So, for the foreseeable future, Mr Chipman likely feels he HAS to stick around to get the word out (though he did ask for a place to go on Twitter recently, which was bold).

[@ANewShadeOfBlue]

I was just saying the other day how people are so use to movies being just fine now, that “fine” has become the new “bad.” Truly bad movies are an event in there own right. I didn’t believe anything I heard about Madame Web until I saw it for myself, and I’m glad I did. Spent about 2 weeks breaking down every element of that movie and explaining why it was bad to anyone who’d listen. Some of the most fun I’ve ever had.

[@mabusestestament]

@@ANewShadeOfBlue Oh I just thought it was boring.

[@ANewShadeOfBlue]

@@mabusestestament I make my own fun.

[@mabusestestament]

@@ANewShadeOfBlue Yes I tried to as well, the movie was definitely very incompetently made, but after all the hoopla it turned out Web-Ma’am was just boring (imo).

[@ANewShadeOfBlue]

@@mabusestestament It’s the first movie I’ve seen where you can tell no one cared about it on any level. That fascinates me. I’m just weird in that way.

[@tonybustamante9942]

Thanks, Bob! This was great

[@JustinMohareb]

Loved this, and it does go well with the Blueberry vid.

[@DavidLewis-v4m]

How come no one ever says, "The writing is bad."? It's too woke, or it's pushing some agenda, or these strong female characters are so bad, not, "the writing is bad."

[@nerag7459]

In my experience they'll say the writing is bad and refuse to provide any example of the actual writing.

[@steampunker7]

@@nerag7459 Or if they do, it's some bad take on a plot point the show itself does indeed explain or provide context to, but they deliberately ignore or misread. And once you do point it out or demonstrate what they missed, they get all huffy and start moving the goal posts. It's one of the reasons I laugh every time I see one of them fawning over the EU or demand the franchise be "given back to Lucas." I love George dearly and think he's an amazing production designer and world builder. But he can't write characters or dialog for nothing. The Clone Wars series did more to explore the pathos and character flaws that led to Anakin's fall better than the Prequels ever did. And while it indeed had its bright spots, the EU was a tangled, bloated mess that had been jogging in place around the Skywalker/Solo family line so long it left a rut in the floor. Claiming a slavish adherence to either as a way to "fix" Star Wars means you're either arguing in bad faith or you really aren't actually into Star Wars as much as you claim you are. It's like the "long time fans" who complain about how the X-Men are suddenly "woke." You've never actually watched, read, or understood anything in this franchise at all, ever. Have you?

[@nerag7459]

What shits me is Star Wars should try new stuff but if they do anything it will be criticized for something unrelated to what makes it bad or good or just ignored.

[@steampunker7]

@@nerag7459 And that's really the root of the problem. So much of the "criticism" against the recent Star Wars stuff has...pretty much next to nothing to actually do with Star Wars. I'm as old as the franchise itself and been a fan literally my entire life. And for every entry and incarnation I can come up with some flaw, flub or mistake in it. No part of Star Wars as ever been objectively "perfect." Even the OT has its hiccups and "just roll with it" moments. Yet time and time again I see "reviewers" either crapping on things they would have to have given a pass to elsewhere in the franchise or projecting their own fears, hates, and angers on the series. They didn't understand or missed a plot point so "the writing sucks." A character didn't react to something the way they would have, so it's "bad." Something happens they don't approve of, it "breaks cannon." To be sure, something like Acolyte has its missteps. Yes, the weekly release schedule did kind of muck with the pacing and yeah, some of the line reads and effects weren't the best. But when you're breaking out the torches and pitchforks before even the first sizzle reel leaks and screeching fire in space "ruined" the series for you, then it really does start to sound more like the issue with you, not the series in question.

[@nerag7459]

@@steampunker7 Or they review bomb other shows called the acolyte...

[@Benabik]

"It's okay to not like things. It's okay, but don't be a dick about it."

[@marleyofhouseharris8720]

Thank you Bob.

[@shurik121]

What happened to not watching something you don't like? Is it not a thing anymore? The WOKE BAD grifters don't know about this fabulous concept?

[@johnathonhaney8291]

Such is the draw of power and hegemony in nerd circles. The rest of their lives may be shit (and often are) but here, they rule the roost (or so they tell themselves). It's not a new thing either. Harlan Ellison's essay "Xenogenesis" read off a roll call of these types' pre-Internet sins that will look painfully familiar.

[@awelcruiz]

There's no money in it.

[@indianaCurtis]

They literally hate watch these things so they can gripe about it and get clicks and views from gullible people who willing listen to it and aso hand their hard-earned money to them via super chats Patreon etc 😢

[@wererat42]

Apparently Sweet Baby was consulted for Final Fantasy 16 but last I checked the internet weirdos seem to be pretty quiet about that. To be fair I only checked Steam forums and saw no "is this woke" comments. I'm not giving those rage bait channels any views. Besides I don't know if clearing them from my history will be enough to prevent that shit from infecting my recommendations forever. I get enough just from watching general game related content.

[@riokamichika1101]

I think it had less to do with their involvement, if the game is fun and the writing isn’t as irritating. It’s partially why people still liked FF16 and why Forspoken was mocked and quickly forgotten about.

[@CaptainRaccoonWhitly]

I think this goes for political causes too, especially ones guised in progressive activism: the second it causes someone else harm, it's no longer acceptable. But you're allowed to feel it deep down, as awful a person you might be.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

Funny how I never hear this applied to the right wingers, who are by far the more harmful and violent right now.

[@AnonymousAnonposter]

@@johnathonhaney8291 In which dimension?

[@jasonblalock4429]

My pet theory is that the haters spinning conspiracy theories to support their opinion basically feel left out of all the progressive movements in recent years. The queer rights movement, for example, is built on recognizing our wildly homophobic culture and trying to push back - and it worked. So now the haters want a socio-political movement of their own, no matter how specious. Also, as an aside, arguably Frank Miller's "The Spirit" would fit in the first half of the show, since it came off more like a mean-spirited parody of the original work rather than any attempt at a faithful adaptation. Or just a pure ego show for Miller. And as I understand, he had very little oversight, since the studio basically thought that Frank Miller + Sin City visuals had to be a winner.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

Which is ironic, given what a great friend Miller was to The Spirit's creator Will Eisner (at least, according to Miller). Given that Eisner worked all the way from the Golden Age of Comics to the day he died (in the 2000s!), I could see why Miller liked him. The tragedy of Miller is that he failed to go as far.

[@mabusestestament]

@@jasonblalock4429 Starship Troopers also, perhaps🍻

[@1_random_commenter]

I've never been on the Kathleen Kennedy hate train, but it does seem to me that Star Wars has been mismanaged. I've avoided giving my kids a proper introduction to it because the worthwhile-content-to-merchandise ratio is way too lopsided for my liking. I was a Star Wars kid, but my kids aren't. That says something about the franchise.

[@JSRLPadre]

OMG, a fellow DOA fan?!?!? I feel so seeeen!!!

[@RileyRobertson-oi4fo]

Oh man not Chris Gore too 😮 I used to really like him on G4 as a tween (And his book about best movies never made was really big to me at that age too). Bummer

[@indianaCurtis]

😢 most of this internet drama swill is just ridiculous at this point like people please get a life already there's no such thing as WoKe whamen etc seriously if something sucks or doesn't look like fun just don't watch play listen etc! What a concept! 😮

[@nerag7459]

They don't. Why? Money. Follow the money.

[@countD8852]

What really bothers me about Star Wars Outlaws (other than the poor optimization, poor gameplay design, poor AI, etc etc etc) is how the vast, vast, vast majority of aliens in the game speak Basic (English in the Star Wars galaxy). This includes aliens that don't have teeth, lips, tongues etc which would be necessary to replicating Basic. Rodians like Greedo have never spoken basic before (to my knowledge, please hit me up with EU content that proves me wrong) Turrens, the squid-head dudes, have never spoken basic before, Sullistans...well, ok, I've seen that (technically) in the EU, but having so many aliens just talk in English really makes the aliens feel so much less alien, it's a real shame. It's one of those little hits that makes the Star Wars galaxy feel like it's the size of Delaware, whereas before Disney the Star Wars galaxy felt so much larger and more mysterious.

[@DVAted]

love your work , Bob, this video was such a joy to watch! sad part is that I could share with a bunch of bigots that I unfortunately know and it still wouldn't change anything about their behavior and outlook in life...

[@moviebobcentral]

I mean, I get it - but by all means PLEASE share anyway; we could use the traffic all the same 😁👍

[@MattValtezzy95]

I did not click on this thinking I'd get a Vonnegut reference, but (knowing MovieBob, it tracks) I'm here for it

[@DavidRichardson153]

14:14 Yeah, I'm with you, Bob. Sure, I got my copies of those games when I did - i.e. as a horny teen - and it took me years before I started truly enjoying the volleyball game it is built around, but I did start enjoying it, I find it to be one of the best volleyball games to play, and yes, I still have and still enjoy my horny teenage imagination that was around those games. I just no longer let my horny teenage imagination run my life, and I'm glad that I broke its hold over my life back in my... mid-20s (for the record, I'm in my mid-30s and only slightly younger than you, Bob). And I'm glad that you introduced me to the DOA movie. It is one of my favorite bad movies, and even though it is bad, I still enjoy watching it.

[@bemasaberwyn55]

Thank you Bob. This NEEDED to be said

[@BlueB33dle]

16:20 anyone else expecting a pic of Trump with yellow text: "We voted one of you in. It's okay!"

[@DannyDangerOz]

Another auteur hijacking a film was the director of porn flick Cafe Flesh. The director wanted to make art films, but could only find work making porn. Cafe Flesh starts by insulting the porno watching audience by comparing them to the 'sex negatives' in the film - people unable to have sex so all they can do is watch - and then goes on to have the vast majority of its scenes be surreal stage show sex. Including one with a guy in a business suit with a giant pencil for a head having sex with one secretary on his desk while the other repeatedly asks if he'd like to take a memo.

[@Dlark17]

Sorry, but... what makes you think Mignola doesn't like the Del Toro Hellboys? Every time I've seen interviews with him, he always speaks glowingly of them, his involvement, and even his hopes to finish the trilogy. Everything I've seen points the blame for the reboots at the feet of the film producers - they have the rights, they want to hold onto them, but they didn't want you she'll out for the budget Del Toro requested back in the day, but it's too late to go back and make it now.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

I know he said he prefers the Hellboy's adaptation of the last movie to Del Toro's version. I do not know if he had anything to do with Del Toro not coming back for the third movie.

[@fredericchristie3472]

Bob said it was behind the scenes. What I imagine is similar to King with The Shining: He almost certainly admits that he is super happy to have his work associated with a masterpiece, but also he would like something closer to his villain.

[@Conner-mx5jl]

After he couldn't get a Hellboy 3 off the ground del Toro wanted to make a comic of the story separate from the original comics Mignola stopped him and told him he couldn't stop the last movie but know he can. They haven't talked since then

[@snowdenwyatt6276]

Much like James Ellroy and LA Confidential, original writers often support at time of release (sometimes glowingly) adaptations that they aren't necessarily fans of. I suspect their option deals contain some small sliver of back end points or something like that. Then several years later they step away from that support sometimes quite a bit. A more cynical person than me might say part of that is so that new adaptations can move forward and get them more money. In the end I think Hanson's LA Confidential and DelToro's Hellboy films are great and really don't care what the creators think...

[@johnathonhaney8291]

​@@snowdenwyatt6276 Ellroy was actually very kind to Hansen throughout the latter's life, even gave him a good remembrance when he died.

[@darthwingnut464]

Bob, as usual, with the 100% accurate take. Appreciate you, man

[@NightmareGorilla]

I've been saying something similar to this since way back in the days of Gamergate. If you say "I don't like this because it doesn't suit my taste." that is a bulletproof argument I can't and won't try to fight you on. enjoy what you like and don't enjoy what you don't. simple as that. but they always have to justify their dislike with some kind of super offensive logic and like, guys, you're not helping yourselves, stop talking two sentences sooner and you'd be fine. It's so ok to say "meh, wasn't my thing." and then shut up. but when you say "it wasn't my thing because i'm not attracted to women who look like MEN!" and then point to a conventionally attractive woman but is just a touch outside of that window to give her some personality. then your argument is stupid and you by extension are stupid for making it. I have plenty of complaints about the acolyte and i'm sure as shit not going to play the next beige bland open world snoozefast made by ubisoft while they employ sexual predators but like none of my problems with either of those things is "woman bad."

[@keith5615]

Someone animated that DOA Beach Volleyball bounce.... Like in a cube farm.

[@robstewartstewart98]

It’s funny. This is a New Big Picture, references a movie review you could say is the sequel to Really that Good….and part of it could be said to be a GAME OVERTHINKER review! 😁👍