New CNC Spindle: Installation & First Chips with Spinogy X22

Configure your Spinogy spindle here shop.spinogy.de/
Integrated Servos & more www.welectron.com/Robotics
Behind the scenes videos sometimes / marcoreps
Unsafe warnings www.etsy.com/shop/UnsafeWarnings
00:00 Intro
00:25 ATC sensors
01:03 °C sensors
02:40 Encoder
04:40 VFD control
07:11 Runout
08:15 Installation
10:02 Tramming
12:23 Cooling
13:01 Cabinets
14:45 Rambling
16:47 First chip
17:49 First parts
18:54 Results
#cnc #engineering #machining

[@Rulerofwax24]

I found your channel through the DIY CNC series, so I'm excited to see more CNC content

[@stvnsnyder]

I have two suggestions. First add a button for clamping and unclamping the tool next to the spindle. As a quality of life improvement. Second a small diameter long travel pneumatic cylinder and quality air pressure regulator makes an easy counter balance for the Z axis. But it’s definitely looking awesome! 👍 love your videos.

[@Phiz787]

Holy crap! I don't think I've seen signal polution like that before! I know it exists, but WOW! To see it fuzz out the osciliscope like that...

[@frikkied2638]

I think this is actually common, and why different signals are often used. Like in the CAN bus systems used in cars.

[@Phiz787]

@@frikkied2638 true, I suppose what I meant was that I haven't seen it graphically displayed like this before!

[@frikkied2638]

@@Phiz787 sure, and I also made a typo, I meant to say “that is why differential signals are used”

[@yaghiyahbrenner8902]

uhmm - Its a high bandwidth scope set to its maximum bandwidth (with poor probing techniques and probe). the intent of the measurement was achieved!

[@aserta]

The bandwidth on that scope is pretty bit and so that's why it looks like that.

[@ratherrelatablemantisshrim2409]

Speaking as someone who also has experience being covered by tiny aluminum chips, i think the only way to mitigate this is to 1) make bigger chips, and 2) use flood coolant so the tiny chips that inevitably get created get washed away before making it into onto/into you.

[@Bobbias]

Until that moment when the chip makes it into you while covered in flood and now you've got a metal sliver that burns because of the flood. (I worked in a steel stamping plant that used flood, and god damn that stuff stung when it got in a cut).

[@FranklyPeetoons]

Your sense of humor is comparable to that of THIS OLD TONY. The rhythm is similar. The essence is similar. The humor is equally specific & incisive. The likelihood of my wife "getting" the humor is zero. This is a compliment.

[@dustybahLs]

😂

[@AndrewMerts]

That joke with the Haimer probe got me for a second there.

[@tanaes]

I have been waiting for this with baited breath

[@frankvn4746]

Your clean way of working is truly satisfying to watch, thanks a lot Marco

[@MCsCreations]

Pretty impressive machine indeed, Marco! Looking forward to see how you upgrade it! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@BaconbuttywithCheese]

High quality engineering as usual.

[@reedreamer9518]

I just started my home build milling machine project a month ago. No fancy Spinogy X22 yet - just pulleys and belts to change speeds. And no CNC stepper motor servos yet, but I'm making chips and parts using HNC ("Human Numerical Control"). I work out a program on a spreadsheet that calculates now many handwheel turns and degrees each tool path requires, and then turn it by hand. Got to start somewhere - ; )

[@imperatordavus]

Servus from München. I've been waiting to see the CNC again! Great content as always.

[@cylosgarage]

Marco uploading = excellent day

[@aserta]

IT HAPPENED! First chips. I toasted the screen with some ginger beer, cause that's all i had at hand. Nice!

[@RoboCNCnl]

Amazing video, and that spindle is pure CNCporn 😍

[@mykyar9142]

Holy crap! This oscilloscope! 0:55

[@max_eley]

Very happy to see more on the CNC side!, I also have had a spinogy x22 sat in the box new for like almost 2 years now lol, I am soon going to put that into a project myself when the time comes.

[@noatreiman]

“Rest assured I am duly embarrassed about these.” Its so important the machining stalwarts out there understand your sheer embarrassment so they don’t hanker you with criticism to be more careful. Been there!

[@milk-it]

Du bist genau so aufmerksam wie ein Schweizer. Ganz gut gemacht 👍.

[@xDevscom_EE]

Sweet new chips, yay. 🎉

[@machine2747]

Awesome video! More CNC content please!

[@FesixGermany]

I also would like to have a good no cloud no subscription alternative to Fusion 360, I got somewhat used to FreeCAD but this is still a great pain in the butt using it and the CAM part is still lacking so many important things for it to be really usable.

[@seancollins9745]

yeah, that's why I'm still with autodesk, solidworks and mastercam, next big purchase

[@happykillerkeks]

Maybe Siemens SolidEdge

[@ferviron97]

I know Creo from PTC (another industrial-level SolidWorks, SolidEdge, etc) has a CNC module, but I do not know how much it costs... In the libre software (open source) space I know that the creator of Kiri:Moto is working hard on the CNC module, but it is not that advanced... It runs on the browser, but it can be selfhosted, so I do not consider it "cloud software" :)

[@littleshopofrandom685]

they seem to have no interest in this, but as someone who is usually in a shop with no hard wired internet, it would be nice. you can of course go some months offline mode, but that still is annoying.

[@hippie-io7225]

@@ferviron97 I found Creo to be a huge pain in the butt to learn. The interface was horrible. Fusion 360 was a dream come true! The person in my work group using Solidworks was always having file sharing problems. Solidworks certainly was easier that Creo.

[@fallingwater]

When you open a video and immediately go "there's no way in seven hells I'll ever be able to afford this" :D marvelous engineering though, it has to be so satisfying to even have that thing in your hand

[@DominikKomzik]

I am using FreeCAD and its Path workbench, works quite well for 3 axis milling

[@DarthBlazer.]

Selectively dropping the volume on those high frequencies would be a nice touch for the future

[@JRo250]

Congrats on the new spindle, it looks very nice. I have been away from DIY CNC for several years so things might have changed. Back then, I really liked VisualMill in my setup. It uses Rhinoceros 3D CAD underneath which is very intuitive and easy to use, especially compared to the "backward" approach of 360 and others. You can import DFX/DWG, plus a long list of industry standard drawing formats. Once the paths have been generated, Mach 3/4 ran my machine well.

[@gregorymccoy6797]

Zero experience, knowledge, aptitude with CNC.... but I still enjoyed this .

[@DarkArtGuitars]

What great timing, was just looking at their website yesterday to maybe upgrade my cheapo Chinese spindle. I wouldn't go for quite as much of a luxury model as you have, but their air cooled quick change one looks quite attractively priced.

[@azurehydra]

That is soo cool!

[@RemarkXer]

Estlcam costs 50€ for life and with a bit of practice you can do almost everything you need with it. There are some limitations to it's adaptive toolpaths that make them slower, but for prototyping and short production runs it's perfect. As for Fusion 360 I think the free version now supports export to dwg and dxf, so that leaves it as a viable CAD option, because the free options I have tried so far aren't great. To be fair I also tried a lot of paid versions and most of them aren't great either.

[@Alexelectricalengineering]

Beautiful 👍👍👍

[@mckidney1]

Chips, man I missed those!

[@fredinit]

Marco... hurm looks like a nice upgrade to the CNC to make an oven cabinet for another LTZ1000 project. Way cool.

[@Karebear9001]

Hurray! 🎉

[@mcstarcoin]

Great video! Did you use a Mastercam tool path? Love the work you put in to all of your projects :D

[@randynovick7972]

I'm enjoying this. Your narrow workshop is both interesting and somewhat frightening, though. Looking forward to more chip-making excitement. Thank you, as always.

[@OldePhart]

C.N.Season... thats a keeper

[@zxspectum]

Nice!

[@Asdayasman]

There's a guy here on youtube who's built his own robot prosthetic hand (which is MEGA cool), and he recently made a video about which CAD software he was going to be using from now on, which has a single one-time fee, no cloud nonsense, no forced upgrades, and so forth. I'd recommend checking it out.

[@josefbjornberg7174]

This is German accent and British humor with Swiss precision.

[@PhG1961]

Unbelievable awesome video. Very interesting and useful spindle/CNC machine. Especially the bottle opener at the end is an example of high level engineering and great craftsmanship!

[@testi2025]

The Datron single flute end mill is meant to be ran at high rpm. I use 4mm ones with my pocketNC running 50000rpm and about 1200mm/min feed. Select more flutes if you want to have less rpm.

[@metricstormtrooper]

Running a VX ingraver, a Gerber Cnc router, and a couple of Esab large format cnc routers cutting and engraving Aluminium sheet, i found that Methylated Spirits, (denatured alcohol) was just the best coolant and lubricant for the job. The chips and swarf were so fine that it left you looking a bit like the tin man from the wizard of OZ though.

[@wilsonmura5930]

Yes please! I think we all need a proper F360 replacement

[@raindeergames6104]

My chinese BT30 Soindle also has 3 temp sensors and 2 internal limit switches. Excellent quality so far.

[@jacobbrown1690]

Love this guys accent lol. I watch it just for that

[@maxthehuman004]

Like the command and conquer series

[@Narwaro]

Yes the WJ200 component assumes 2 pole Motors. Noticed that when getting our X22 running. Maybe I’ll release my patches that read the pole setting and that can also read torque one day.

[@adthelad1]

Nice video, thanks for the CNC updates! Do you have any plans to retrofit the leadshine EL7 drives and motors you tested onto the machine?

[@DoubleD132]

8:56 i think you may have had an eldritch pidgeon problem :D

[@OpaqueWindow]

I love your stuff always wanted to make my own CNC but then I got a job and now I have 16 to babysit 😭

[@joansparky4439]

clearly a case of wrong priorities.. 😛

[@MazeFrame]

For my pesant hobbyist needs Siemens SolidEdge has been treating me well. No clue about CAM aspects of it though.

[@magran17]

Bravo

[@Rob_65]

I used to use Filou NC years ago (like in 2010 or so) and at that time it was the only affordable and reliable solution. Since then it seems to have evolved from a pure 2D CAM tool with some basic depth support (2.5D). The current versions looks much nicer but I have not used it in a long time and it is not the cheapest tool. If you want to be able to create or adjust your own post processor (I find this a must) it's 1185 (incl. tax). Unfortunately my current work involves some 3D tool paths (curved and sloped paths) but for 2 and 2.5D work this was my tool to go. It is easy to import a DXF or even draw some basic 2D stuff and then create 2 / 2.5D tool paths from there.

[@sguttag]

"Spinny Thing Goes Fast." Words to live by.

[@4DModding]

CAM. Either Bobcad for solidworks or Fusion 360. Also beware Cosine error on your DTI as the lever really needs to be parallel to the table or as close as is possible.

[@whiteyready5862]

you could add a pneumatic zylinder to balance out the weigth

[@OmarMekkawy]

Don't worry Marco, you got the like before watching your video :D

[@ericlotze7724]

8:35 There’s an Open Source Single Point Diamond Turning Lathe if you need a project! (I’ll grab the link, granted lathe, not cnc mill, but the precision is wild)

[@ced3098]

a lot of accurate machine have a counterweight to compensate the vertical axis and also balance the offset weight front / rear , that easy to built with bicycle chain and chain sprocket , compact weight can be with epoxy resin and rejected / broken carbide inserts .

[@edumerc1]

Awesome Spindle, looks so well made, and love that you were transparent that it had a momentary malfunction, hopefully is an easy fix. BTW could you share your ini and hal files of your linuxcnc configuration when you had the Mechatron spindle? I am trying to setup the MX2 inverter and seems really difficult, looks like you used the wj200 driver but I can not figure it out.. Thanks!!

[@nastygamer7929]

FreeCAD has built-in CAM support, no idea how good it is though

[@nyanlauncher7350]

freecad has a path workbench you could use for CAM

[@frosty129]

Any updates on the osmu four quadrant smu? That project seemed to have faded into obscurity.

[@PatrickHoodDaniel]

I love alibre CAD CAM, but the CAM is still lacking somewhat. I find the alibre is very similar to Inventor. They pride themselves on the non-suibscription buy to own the software model. You can always use another CAM software CAD views output. I personally like Cambam, but I'm not sure if the toolpaths are as advanced as you are seeking. Always love to see your videos. I am about to make a few Spinogy videos myself.

[@masoncnc]

Kerosene for aluminum MQL, works and is clean.

[@flikflak24]

Seems like you haven seen the video where steffan shows how to actually tram a spindle correctly ( finished my education as a machinest 7 year ago and when I saw that video and thought about it the method made sense)

[@douro20]

The absolute encoder sounds almost like a resolver.

[@jimsvideos7201]

Tight.

[@frikkied2638]

Have a look at the Click PLC for a lot of the control aspects of systems like this, like for triggering solenoids and stuff. It’s a very affordable plc that I feel is very well suited for projects like this although I never see plc’s being used by hobbyists, perhaps because of a perception of them being very expensive, which is not the case for the Clicks. They also speak Modbus fluently so can easily interface with other systems.

[@NitroTrinker]

PLCs are not that expensive anymore. If you use a proper ServoDrive for the Motor you can also use its IO to control the solenoids and other stuff.

[@frikkied2638]

@@NitroTrinker that’s exactly what I said but thanks for your insight.

[@mosfet354]

Ahhh no way! Please tell us what beer you're drinking!

[@fischX]

Freecad path workbench kinda fits the bill but fusion is more advanced

[@DanielM111]

12:50 *Bagpipes start playing*

[@windward2818]

My dear Marco, I too am interested in machining for electronics packaging. Your path of discovery for CNC machining, where you have started with a CNC mill, is very familiar to many electrical engineers who specialize in mechanical structures for electronics (enclosures, wave guides, sheet metal soldered shields, and many other small dedicated structures and custom fasteners). I can save you a lot of time. With one word Micromachining, I will explain why in just a moment. I believe you are in Northern Germany, so my friend you must go south to KERN Micro Technology GmbH south of Munich, and look at their basic EVO model which is a three axis mill. It is very handy to actually see a machine with some of the panels off to see the insides and then ask some questions, of which I think you have a good idea of the challenges in high accuracy machines, and as such can ask some very key questions. You will discover the basic design challenges very quickly, because common CNC machine errors are well known, it is in addressing the errors which is the more IP related. As it turns out, micromachining is the use of CNC machines to make micromachines for the use in micromechanics (small mechanical gizmos, like watches). You are rather fortunate to live in Germany, because micromachining CNCs from Germany and Switzerland are probably the best in the world (of course it depends on what part you are trying to make). In looking to make your electronic products you will use many different types of CNCs. Primarily, CNC Mills (3 and 5 axis), CNC Lathes, and perhaps a newer Mill-Turn. To make large enclosures you will use CNC sheet metal bending machines, but this is not usually considered part of a micromachine, although some of the positional accuracy is not trivial at times. Some Swiss made CNCs are very interesting because they have and are doing exactly what you are doing. Sorting out the drives, amps, cooling, rigidity, understanding the errors, and solving problems, both accuracy and precision. To control their machines they have the common option of a Fanuc CNC drives and control (which is considered a retrofit with HMI, which is even used for new designs), but other might supply the spindle and servo motors and amplifiers. In Germany, I am sure you are well aware, that the overall accuracy and repeatability (precision) is in units of microns. So a micromachine three axis CNC accuracy may be to 3 microns, perhaps 5 when speeds and feeds are increased. So, it seems in CNC machine speak we talk about microns a lot. One example of a micromachine part that you may be familiar with for electronic packaging is the Pentalope screw used on Apple iPhones. The screw is made on a Swiss CNC screw machine with a 0.8mm diameter 0.2mm pitch ISO Metric which follows the basic Progress screw metric diameter to pitch design (originally designed for watch making) but with a newer ISO Metric symmetric V shaped 60 degree flank angle. With your German accent you should do a CNC video called micromachines (small stuff precision) and microns (CNC errors), much as you did for hunting down voltage reference ppms.

[@herzogsbuick]

differential signals turned into one high quality signal -- yes, yes you mean the incredible ppms of a humbucker

[@floodo1]

rad

[@Thorhian]

So awesome to see more CNC content again!!!

[@timeltdme4355]

could you count your time that went to research of cnc, building one and programming it plus all the materials and tools involved? curious how it compares to buying comparative performance cnc from a reputable manufacturer? thanks for cool educational videos

[@TheLophius]

Hi good cad with perpetual license is ProgeCAD and did you mute sound when cutting because it is quiet while cutting?

[@andreasbrunnhofer]

Cool, you choose 4 pole version. Is it because of more torque compared to 2 pole? Wich rpm range did you choose? Greetz!

[@malteser0212]

What did move you away from the mechatron spindle? I assumed mechatron would be higher up the foodchain of spindles than spinogy. Am I wrong to assume this?

[@AlJay0032]

You need a pretty precise CNC for such a spindle to make sense.

[@jonjon3829]

rigid tapping is a ghost of the past you mill threads these days, cleaner threads, tiny load on the tool and most of all no limit to thread size, if you need speed, you use multi-tooth thread endmills instead.

[@EquinoxTheGryph]

12:49 🥳🥳

[@rigaudio]

How about Rhino for CAD?

[@Convolutedtubules]

First chips?!?!?! 😮😮

[@aksting]

That Omron VFD looks very similar to the Hitachi WJ series VFD.

[@douro20]

Some Omron VFDs are actually made by them.

[@chriswescott2193]

OneCNC!

[@kennarnett8220]

Hi Marco, what kind of battery powered screwdriver do you use? Does the screwdriver have a variable speed? I am using a Milwaukee electric screwdriver and it has two speeds. On and off. But it reverses 😂

[@danma6745]

What model is that wireless handheld controller ?

[@giuseppe3904]

so what cad/cam are you using?

[@kennymac58]

Madcam is a plugin for Rhinoceros.

[@juanmanuelgarciaortega2591]

Hola tuviste problemas con el otro spindle??

[@vincei4252]

I feel your pain, Marco. Just say no to Cloud and Subscriptions.

[@powerwall]

Do you review 5.12Kwh, and 11.8Kwh battery?

[@Trancelebration]

Whats the model of IR camera?

[@FusselCNC]

Falls du ne kostenlose CAM alternative zu F360 findest, mach bitte nen Video drüber :) ich mag F360 aber in der kostenlosen Version, isses echt nervig mitm Werkzeugwechsel.

[@ml.2770]

Sines of life. Hehe.

[@LetsPlayKeldeo]

I love me some Pommes ! A weird Fritöse

[@qwer.ty.]

Can you use this motor as an ebike motor ?