NEW Codex Adeptus Mechanicus Datasheet Tier List! Which Units Are Most Competitive?

[@Speeds_Gaming_Corner]

0:00 Sponsors 1:14 Intro 7:52 Belisarius Cawl 12:09 Tech-Priest Dominus 15:23 Tech-Priest Enginseer 19:59 Tech-Priest Manipulus 23:19 Technoarcheologist 26:02 Sidonian Scatros 32:07 Skitarii Marshal 36:40 Skitarii Ranger 40:55 Skitarii Vanguard 43:14 Kataphron Breachers 48:02 Kataphron Destroyers 52:01 Corpuscarii Electro-Priests 55:52 Fulgurite Electro-Priests 58:56 Sicarian Infiltrators 1:01:29 Sicarian Ruststalkers 1:03:47 Pteraxii Skystalkers 1:05:46 Pteraxii Sterylizors 1:07:28 Serberys Raiders 1:09:24 Serberys Sulphurhounds 1:10:30 Cybernetica Datasmith & Kastelan Robots 1:17:01 Ironstrider Ballistarii 1:19:53 Sydonian Dragoons 1:21:54 Radium Jezzail 1:24:20 Skorpius Disintegrator 1:26:43 Skorpius Dunerider 1:29:53 Onager Dunecrawler 1:32:29 Archeopter Fusilave 1:34:45 Arechopter Strataraptor 1:37:18 Archeopter Transvector 1:38:13 Sieg's Tears 1:38:29 Thoughts

[@dittmar104]

The fact rhinos have firing deck because they have doors but the dune rider doesn’t is peak gw

[@scheikundeiscool4086]

It does make sense. in a wierd way. If a marine stands up in a rhino he pops out. If a ranger stands up in a dunerider he doesn't Why it doesn't have assault ramps whit the massive ramp on front is verry wierd tough.

[@Awesomotron2k]

"If you don't run Breachers, AdMech is an army that just *can* do nothing." Is a great synopsis of why Skitarii need a big damage boost, even though overall the army is fine. If you run Breachers, that is."

[@dragonofdragons1720]

what they need is to 20 man units agene and most units need better shooting and melee buffs to the army rule

[@theWolfnMiniatures]

I hate when rules leave a centerpiece model in 'D' tier. They should all fall in A tier. Build around it and your army will be strong but if you like a different playstyle you don't have to take it.

[@DaveDevourerOfPineapple]

thoroughly enjoyed this, very reasonable and logical takes from both. the doom and gloom around admech has gotten a bit tiring so it's very nice to see some steps in a good direction from GW and for you guys to be vocal about the good stuff. Can't wait for more admech content ❤️⚙️

[@ArtofWar40k]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@achtungtube]

They really should have added myrmidons and other 30k mechanicum units to the army. I cant imagine them remaining resin forever and they can always massage the lore to retain the legio reductor and cybernetica stuff in 40k

[@marcuskarlsson8535]

Admech suffer from having both low volume of fire on everything that is not S3/4 and/or AP-, and also having bad WS/BS. Either needs to change if Admech is going to have any other playstyle than "hide and score".

[@DarrinSK]

I hate how everything seems to be built to attack other light infantry and not even that well. Why they removed the rangers -1ap? Why take the mortal wound on crits off the dogs? These fuys used to be my most prozed unit in 9th and now they have a fraction of thebutility. Why couldnt they make sulphurhounds more of a close range meq counter or something?

[@Awesomotron2k]

Belisarius Cawl is in fact NOT the Fabricator General. Some other bloke is.

[@TheOnlyRealIRONicMAN]

His name is Oud Oudia Raskian

[@U_C_G]

In fairness it is followed up by 'or at least he should be'

[@americonabroad]

Corpascarii won me the game! 1 survived got 1 hit on the unit of deepstrike terminators and slowed them down enough to stop them from taking the objective! Epic!

[@stevencarmody1755]

In my experience kastelans are a really good unit being T9 with a 2+5++ theyre not easy to bring down i lost 2 out of 8 against chaos and they punched oblitorators to death they have more use than you think as they make your opponent dedicate their heavy guns away from your kataphrons

[@joehill6916]

Only here for Stilts McGee

[@EvilGranny420]

Don’t forget, WCW says you can’t disembark after you arrive from reserves, so the Transvector is even worse should that become part of the final FAQ

[@ryannolan3746]

I feel like the tier list should've waited until we know the points for everything. This is all speculative, but good video anyways

[@DarrinSK]

Why does this army which is supposed to have the most advanced tech in all of the imperium have the worst vehicles and shit damage?

[@U_C_G]

Because we don't sell as well as Space Marines or Guard, that's why. So we aren't allowed the nice things

[@socalastarte6727]

I miss wrath of Mars (sigh). Kastelan Robots are my favorite unit (I have 6 with all the guns). I also have 6 Kataphron…..Destroyers (sigh). I miss 8th edition

[@gribblethemunchkin]

I hate the idea that I have to take a certain epic hero to get some kind of consistency in damage dealing, even if he was cheap.

[@Naxthural]

Cawl has 2 extra attacks weapons for melee and because of Monster keyword he can shoot while in engagement range. Extra attacks weapon raw is that the bearer can attack with this weapon in addition to any other weapons it can make attacks with (from the app on extra attacks) This is in addition to the one it chooses to fight with. As written he is a melee fucking powerhouse.

[@Maffar123]

Quick question about the new skratos and battleshock in general. If you really want to kill, let’s say a 10 men terminator squad, the enemy can just pop armor of contempt in reaction of the skratos shot, and still have the effect during the rest of the phase, even if they fail their battleshock test?

[@Awesomotron2k]

Yes, tthey would still be affected. Battleshock does NOT clear already applied strategems, only prevents targetingnthem with strats after the fact.

[@FluffNCrunch]

This was my thought too - so your opponent knowing this *could* be baited into popping AoC into the Terminators at the risk of being battle-shocked, but still…

[@stevencarmody1755]

You can bait it out then wallop the terminators it's about tactics

[@stevencarmody1755]

Vanguard plus archaeologist equals "cawl said THATS MY OBJECTIVE!" (+1 OC -1 ENEMY OC)

[@MermDaddy]

Can someone explain, whats the point of battleshocking a unit with the sicarian infiltrators in the fight phase when it goes away in the command phases anyway? Siegs and quinton were all about it but it seems like super niche where that would actually come up…

[@MercenaryQ]

Remove the ability for strats I assume

[@Retribution83]

No interrupts?

[@McStworca]

Stealing objectives?

[@MermDaddy]

@@McStworca it doesnt steal objectives since it resets in their command phase. And i dont think it matters too often for the strats because infiltrator melee sucks so no need for defensive strats. Maybe interrupt, but if youre spending 2CP to kill my 70 point unit i think im fine with that trade. Its not terrible i just think its super niche

[@smoothcriminalpvp2872]

Do you win anything at the pro meet?

[@iVardensphere]

What imperial agent synergieses the best with Admech?

[@ArtofWar40k]

Kyria Draxus for sure

[@nikolaistocks5100]

most hated unit, at least on wtc, still breachers. It took them all of 9e to finally get them right now this. Too slow and short range to reliably first strike efficiently, too squishy and waay to expensive to actually take a hit from real armies when moving up, too fat to hide. (my 10e breacher hatred knows no limits)

[@Quole1234]

how come there hasn't been a single tier list for necrons so far in 10th edition?

[@ArtofWar40k]

Next week!

[@scadian]

Fancy Garbage - New Army List Name found

[@bronsonmartin4580]

Firing deck!!! Yes! I've been it since 7th ed!!

[@duelisticnature6901]

Where as competitively Admech has a lot of tools to do well because it's internal balance is well done. Multiple units covering similar rolls giving double redundancy. Meaning you'll not be over reliant on 1 particular unit type that could get sniped and therefor not allowing you to score points. You'll just have to keep the opponent busy while you gather up points. Casually Admech isn't great to so called 'shoot the shit' with or Beerhammer it with friends. You'll have a thematically STUNNING army, but when you just want to shoot stuff off the board for kicks... it's either stupidly costly in points (lookin at you Kastellan punch bots, Cawl and Desintegrator) or swings quite heavily which can either feel very great, or incredibly bad. At least I look cool going down, you might win the game, but you'll never take my drip!

[@HUMANHUNTER911]

With marshall you mentioned that the 2nd datasheet ability doesnt work for the detachment with only strategic ploys, but since it doesnt reduce the cost I don't think the Battle tactic clause applies?

[@riconade4431]

The Marshal doesn't affect the cost of stratagems, so he should be able to use stratagems of any kind twice

[@ArtofWar40k]

STRATAGEMS THAT CAN BE USED MORE THAN ONCE PER PHASE/TURN Rules that allow you to use a Stratagem even if another unit has been targeted by that Stratagem this phase or turn, but that do not specify the name of the Stratagem, can only be used to use Battle Tactic Stratagems.

[@ArtofWar40k]

From the dataslate

[@riconade4431]

@@ArtofWar40k oh shoot, my bad

[@stevencarmody1755]

You cant use overwatch and the shoot back strat on the same breacher team they both state you cannot shoot with them for the rest of the turn

[@ArtofWar40k]

The shoot back strat doesnt exist anymore, but when it did, Overwatch only prevents you from using overwatch again (once per turn). So you would overwatch in the movement phase, then use vengeful fallout in your opponent's shooting phase.

[@stevencarmody1755]

Well I misread overwatch which is understandable as to why they removed that strat however they could have just errata it to read cannot be used in conjunction with overwatch we lost so much and got absolutely nothing back

[@TheKOHunterTri]

I’ve had fairly good results with the destroyers. Although I’m still fairly new and haven’t played many 2k point games. The grav cannon works pretty well for me, but I for sure wouldn’t run them without a leader or a breacher squad as well.

[@kinginyellow1490]

I have to disagree with there Fusilave assessment. You take 2 or 3, your doing 3-5 mortals per Fusilave on any unit on the field. I just had a game where i bombed a hammerhead out of exsistance, i got lucky and rolled 12 wounds with my bombers(2), then finished it off with the stubber array that gets 18 shots with Sustained and twin linked, i shot it 14 times with the first volley wounded it 5 times with the first gunship, it failed 2 out of the 5 times, and i had a second one waiting to shoot it to death with another 18 shots. you dont have them Hover...ever..you fly them around the table they go unlimited range..with one 90 degree turn, and if they do fly off the board they come back the next turn..if you want with Rapid ingress...anywhere. I get you guys crunch the numbers but i think a lot of players just sleep on alot of stuff. And your wondering.. yeah they just get shot off the table..sure, if i didnt have a Knight sitting in my zone soaking up all the anti tank. I dont know, not poo pooing your play styles, but when i heard you say the Planes get moved blocked, i was like...huh? You cant move block a plane..its flying. Maybe i am missing something. "Aircraft can only make a Normal move, and can do so even when within Engagement Range of enemy models."when used in flight mode. "If a model can Fly, then when it makes a Normal, Advance or Fall Back move, it can be moved over enemy models as if they were not there." when used in Hover mode

[@Infections95]

You're really paying 460 points to do 9-15 mortals a sometimes. Funny

[@djinnJuice-x-]

The way the fusilave moveblocks is it's gigantic knight base. Just taking up that much space means coherency is hard to keep even if one or two dudes could cross it.

[@kinginyellow1490]

@@djinnJuice-x- i understand that, but the fly rules prevent move blocking by flying models,, can can not be blocked or block movement, cuz there in the air. And he was saying the Fusilave GETS moved blocked off the table.

[@kinginyellow1490]

@@Infections95 not sometimes, 80% or the time you get mortal wounds. Vs. some armys..not a huge deal, 4+feel no pains is good, but +3 mortals kinda busted. I dont know why you think tis funny. a flying unite IE. Flying, not hover, is a VERY good unit, it can move ANYWHERE on the table, Pesky Wayleaper hanging out behind some building and can't be seen, Just fly the bomber over him...drop bombs..dead. dont kill him with the first run, use the second, he uses the phoenix stone, bomb him next turn..make your opponent, shoot at the toughness 9 10 wound model that can pop smoke and get -1 to hit and have a 2 up save instead. Odds are looking kinda Ok. All the while your knight is blasting things out of existence with his Rapid Fire battle cannons. thats just one example of the versatility of the bombers. If you find it funny. We could do a mathematical equation to the best shooting unit for the AdMech, the Breacher, can they inflict as many guaranteed wounds as the bombers? I think it would be pretty close.

[@Infections95]

@@kinginyellow1490 I appreciate the massive paragraph back but sadly it's still useless. If you enjoy it keep using 25% of your army to maybe kill something a turn. I'd say 9 ironstriders do 5x the damage a turn, work for prim and second and just generally better in every way for 460 points.

[@SenseiLlama]

love the lore of admech but i hate its game play. Thematically i think i would be happy if all of our weapons had crazy variability but with the potential to do crazy high damage. make skitarii have d3 dmg but have hazardous or add a 0-damage weapon but with the option to set off a nuke in the middle of the map idk. Glass canon stuff. Right now we are just a shooty hoard and I don't like it. Its the same as guard.

[@31Rexer1]

No idea if this could work but could you just run a knight and have the enginseer near by to make it Uber tanky

[@fowlersrs]

Not sure u can heal it as Allies don't have the admech key word

[@kinginyellow1490]

@@fowlersrs Your right, the enginseer only heals and confers his buffs to friendly Admech vehicals/models near him. Allies get no benefits from there codex or the army they are helpings codex. They just kinda sit there and be a giant shooting platform/bait for anti tank shots.

[@U_C_G]

​@@fowlersrsWhich, is ridiculous considering the Mechanics are the ones who literally build these bloody things. Hell, Metallica literally has an in-built Knight factory.

[@anamenelvalentain1609]

Extreem stupidity of this rank had make all us dummer.

[@ArtofWar40k]

The best Admech player in the world led this discussion. What do you disagree with? Its also from November and the meta is a bit different now

[@anamenelvalentain1609]

@@ArtofWar40k The best Admech player didn't make discussion. He looks like some one who play Mechs from 9th addition only on ETC terrain ONLY in Hanter cohort. He don't say how use units to make them pleable. Where is discussion? Rangers bad. Why? Set them on 2nd flore with Marshal. Plasma with -5 rend ignoring cover in enemy deployment is bad? Try in Exploration for reroling 1 to wound. Hound knights will be impressed. Destroyers. They hold points. Use with Manipulus. Overwach on 5+ with manipulus under Conclave send to enemy average 10 ''saves'' in 9+T -5(-4) 2 + flamers with -1 ignore cover. Crab ''C'' tier. Ignor toughness of half units in game 48'' with full reroll by BL in Rad-zone for free by Marshal, 7 shots twin linked, smoke. You can take 120 skitarii in 4++ and just hold all table for 4 turns and win with 80+ p. But chikens is good... OMG. Yes, before someone look at them 7t 3sv. Dragoons give 6 saves to knight before die. Jezz dragoons is ok solo coner flag. S tier corpuskarii... for what? They die after ANY sort of 8+ shots look at them. And they MUST be 12" close to unit. Robats. Doesn't this guy know, that robats according to formation can obtain: fight first, +3WS/BS, 4++ and my favorite - change hit/wound/save dice to 6 after roll. 235p for 12A 12 -2 3 expencive? Or for 20 shots 6 -1 1/2 ignore cover? Reroll 1 to wound and 3BS/WS in exploration, sustained in rad, FF in conclave. Take engenseer for 5+++ and heal. This guy don't play Warhammer 40k Admech. He play ETC META where you see noting, ruins don't have windows but have footprint, and high in to space, where real visibility means nothing. He don't whant to think because experiment = loose = not best enymore.

[@ArtofWar40k]

Feel free to post your results with Admech in the tournament scene, we'd love to hear about your success!

[@VarnakTheDestroyer]

Y'all gonna re-do this in 2 months when GW *fixes* a ton of datasheets?

[@ArtofWar40k]

If datasheets change, definitely!

[@YouveGotRyan]

How many datasheet changes were in the last dataslate? What makes you think anything would change now? GW meta data has most armies in the ideal win rate.

[@VarnakTheDestroyer]

I mean, the admech codex was likely printed before the last dataslate, so why put in the effort if it's gonna be re-nerfed at codex launch? @@YouveGotRyan

[@kylenewnam8231]

Keep huffing that copium. There won’t be data slate changes, we’re stuck with these crappy data sheets for the entire edition.

[@Pathetic-Cards]

Nah, the specifically called out Admech as needing help in the last metwatch a few days ago. Iirc, they specifically called out how they were aware that Admech was one of several armies being carried by one datasheet. @@YouveGotRyan