NEW Combat Patrols WORSE Value

[@EonsOfBattle]

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[@Mr-Tea343]

How do you find the ridge runners on my mini factory?

[@Kitbash.Carnage]

🔥🙌❤️

[@Marinesk-eh2hh]

Looks good

[@TheMorbidHobo]

If high-cost models cost more money regardless of them being small, can I have low-cost model that cost less money regardless on them being large?

[@redspec01]

No, cause that doesn’t make a rich person richer, nor make a poor person poorer.

[@chuy3840]

I can print both of these boxes in their entirety. You can find the files pretty easily as of right now. With a 200 dollar printer and a .2mm nozzle you can print these at .05mm layer height and you cant tell theyre printed after being painted. It does take a long time though. I have about 30% of 40k ready to print and like 95% of space marines.

[@benjaminmajor5144]

GW: NO

[@SlayerOfWorlds]

As soon as Combat Patrol became its own game, that was the end of the bundled savings. GW saw the popularity, which means money to be made. I picked up the old sets I wanted and have no intention of ever to buy any of the new ones.

[@NotSoMelancholy]

Which is a bit sad, because I feel like it kind of is a miss-understanding of why it was popular. Combat patrol as a box was popular because it was a good jumping off point for collecting. Combat patrol as a mode was popular because you just dropped 200$ on gray plastic and should atleast be able to play a game with it. I can’t imagine anyone was ever like “Yeah! I want to play combat patrol and nothing else!” It was just a good jumping off point. Like the scale and want to go bigger? Get more models for higher point games. Do you wish it was a little smaller scale? Your battleline is likely already enough for a killteam. You can buy other kits for different fire teams and options if you want.

[@duxater2331]

Man... Im new to the hobby, and everytime I try and get excited about it, Games Workshop is *really* good at killing my excitement with some good old corporate greed. I dont think there's a company that has actively pushed me away from their own products more with their own decisions... Like man, I just wanna like Warhammer... :(

[@dwhisper79]

The biggest benefit with the Genestealer Box is that it's almost a ready-made Necromunda box. I mean, every model is a necromunda model, but this thing can do so much.

[@Jan_Iedema]

As a necron player I’m just glad my combat patrol got “better”? It’s fun to play and I’d definitely buy multiples of it. Really a shame most new CP don’t get a nice centerpiece anymore

[@sleeplessknight99]

Are you new to the hobby? The Necrons combat patrol is just the previous editions starter set with the addition of a canoptek doom stalker. It was better when this set also came with a space marine army for about 30% less money

[@Oreillyd16]

NOO DON'T ABBREVIATE COMBAT PATROL

[@Kromgar1337]

Yeah heres the problem though: They can't keep making the same starter set forever.

[@Jan_Iedema]

@@sleeplessknight99 oh yeah for sure but nearly all of the models are nice to have multiple of and it still had big centerpiece with the walker. I’m not saying it couldn’t be better just that it’s okay.

[@sleeplessknight99]

@@Kromgar1337 Actually, why can't they? They totally could. But they don't want to. They could have multiple starter sets. They just have to change out the rules in them when the edition changes. Keep in mind that this is what they did for 6th and 7th edition. Same models, but different rules in each starter set. It'd be really nice to have a variety to choose from.

[@brainddeadd]

James Workshop heard people on tv talking about shrinkflation and said "hold. my. beer."

[@JasonM69]

I fed a Termagant to a Zoat, It grew a flesh borer and built a boat, Placed it into the blood angel's moat, Decided to swim so it took off its coat, Had to swim for his vessel wouldn't float, Horus read this poem I wrote, Got excited and ate a Goat, Tried to watch TV but couldn't find the remote, So he wrote the Emporer a hateful note, Nurgle's rot will cause you to bloat, All because I fed a Termagant to a Zoat.

[@euansmith3699]

There was an old lady, Who swallowed a Carnifex, Purge the mutant!

[@Zaphodox]

GW character prices are ridiculous

[@Groobis]

fr, Imotekh the Stormlord is like nearly $100 au, and he's literally just one single, *slightly* more detailed Necron Overlord

[@Mr_Waffle.]

I think their business brains think "well players are only going to buy one instead of multiples so we need to make them more expensive to get an equal amount of profit". Unfortunately it works...

[@weekendminis]

@Mr_Waffle is correct, the cost to design and to make a mold for a single character is the same cost as designing and making a mold for a squad of 10 units, so a good portion of the price comes down to how many of these are going to sell to recoup those costs.

[@InfectiousViper]

3D printer goes brrrrr

[@Cato_Sicarius_66]

I think everyone who has walked into a Warhammer store knows that

[@Boshea241]

Remember 5 of the units in the old sister box are monopose/loadout, with 3 of the units being partial sizes that are impossible to expand correctly even with multiple boxes. Two of those model counts likely getting removed in the new book.

[@Grooviebones]

Yeah I saw that video too. That doesn't mean they had to chop the new box down, they improved pose-ability and squad size (probably because we're in 10th now, not 9th) at the cost of points, unit count and cost savings

[@thefloatingcontinent9897]

The physical size of and number of sprues is a noteworthy thing to include that I haven’t heard other KZbinrs mention. The old sisters combat patrol with those unique mini-unit sprues is a key part of what allowed such variety

[@M1tZk1]

I'd be interested in the direct Gameplay comparison between the old and new Combat Patrol. The Arcos can probably take down a Rhino, but you have so much diversity and so many units to score points in the old box

[@pancakemogul]

I know the new Sisters CP is a savings box, but it just doesn't look it. Same with the Dark Angels one. We're rapidly approaching a breaking point in terms of price vs. value and it'll be fascinating to see what happens next.

[@BrandonGiordano]

I think enough people are loyal to GW that we won't see any lowering of prices, sadly. I'm guilty of it myself but I think with the direction GW is going I'm nlre likely to look at alternative options

[@pancakemogul]

Oh, no, the prices will only move one way, but I do believe that the day will come when people decide that 10 intercessors aren't worth 80 bucks. GW will have to find other ways to create growth for investors-perhaps by revising these kits yet again; otherwise shareholders will leave and the company might just end up being sold off to Amazon or Hasbro.

[@coardlowery322]

​@BrandonGiordano everyday 3d printing becomes cheaper and easier. Hell, I own a ton of 3d printed nids at as good quality. GW is gonna l ose this war, only a matter of time imo

[@AidenTulik]

Yeah, they can only bring savings so low before combat patrols become useless. The worse the cps get, the harder the hobby is to get into so this could be bad.

[@coardlowery322]

@AidenTulik well, I can get ever model in a wmranged for an 8th thebprice 3d printed. So the hobby isn't harder to get into, GW just won't be seeing any money for it. That and there are other game systems out there like GrimDark Futjure and Ravaged Syat

[@TheLordofMetroids]

I get that its worse, but as a Word Bearers player who has never been able to find the Lord of Possession, I kinda love the new CSM Combat Patrol.

[@gregoryhall4062]

Will always be asking for a hobby space tour. I need storage ideas!

[@vectorshaman338]

Local shop closing and threw an extra 25% on top of the 15% off... so got me some SoB Boarding patrol and some Cities of Sigmar at nearly half off.

[@patrickbraun5199]

lucky you :) 40% is awesome what location?

[@vectorshaman338]

@@patrickbraun5199 Ah... Denmark, so not local to the states.

[@GermanNightmare1976]

19:40 The acid blood of those first waves does melt the facility partially: That's how they get up in the ceiling, whereas before that approach was sealed off to them.

[@euansmith3699]

It hadn't occurred to before Jay mentioned it; but, given how far a single xenomoph's blood ate through the Nostomo, I think it would have been fun if the tidal wave of acid released by the Sentry Guns had destabilized Hadley's Hope.

[@evileyeball]

My wife got a 1/2 off Sisters patroll recently, she loves sisters and the old box was so great. I got 1/2 of an old GSC Box Yes I do mean 1/2 of not 1/2 off Because I was bulding a Wyrmblade Kill team and someone else here wanted the Bigger guys and the Vehicle for something he was doing in Necromunda Which was sweet as I could convert the Magus into a Locus and could use all the Neophytes then I just had to add a Kellermorph and a Sanctus (Sniper/Talon) built as Sniperr, and I could use a neophyte body to make the Sanctus Talon My Cult of the Twilight Starchildren was then complete.

[@Zenohart]

Resin printer for the win

[@Dementia55372]

The admech combat patrol should be all the evidence that you need to know that GW doesn't balance the products for that game mode. Its purely about extracting value from kits.

[@Groobis]

Arco-Flagellants seem more like an Adeptus Mechanicus style unit, like, Heretek Tech-Priests or Skitarii that aren't outright killed, get turned into suicidal servitor type guys.

[@batteredwarrior]

The whole point is they are effectively criminals serving a religious penitence...and flagellation is a religious thing. 🤷‍♂️

[@Groobis]

@@batteredwarrior as I'm sure you've noticed, the Mechanicus are quite religious, and Technology fused with religious practices is kind of their whole schtick.

[@meh1994able]

as someone who is about to start sisters soon. the new one is much better imo. the old box had weird numbers for the units besides the battle sisters, cannoness and rhino. the battle sisters were the mono pose ones too which is annoying if you would like to have a heavy weapon on there. the new one should be cheaper obviously but everything being the better kits is very nice for me. i'll be getting 2 or 3 depending if i want 30 arco for a meme list or not haha

[@erickavery1]

I would have personally preferred repentia in place of arcos but that was literally the boarding patrol if I remember right. The only positive I can think of for the new cp for sisters is that for newer players I odd size squads can be a pain. I know personally I own 2 of the old cp and I went through and bought a bunch of singles from ebay to fill out the squads. While that is very easy it is nice to not have to do it. That said I have absolutely no need to pick up the new CP.

[@gideon_drexlar]

Sisters CP is just the old boarding patrol with Flagellants in place of Repentia.

[@gamingnumptiesxd9032]

lol I was just watching ur combat patrol ranked video when this came up

[@MrBiggybit]

Look at you cranking out a video every day! Love it

[@euansmith3699]

HOW!!!! 😬

[@joshbnimble]

Slowly getting my niece into 40k. She loves Repentia. They're all primed and just waiting for time to paint them.

[@anthonywaggett9317]

The Genestealer Cults combat patrol will be a great buy if you play Necromunda Ash Wastes, especially with the GC coming to Necromunda Secundus. I bought the Jackals and Rockgrinder to kitbash Escher vehicles (then they brought out the Clippers before I got round to building them). As for Sisters, the Sanctorum Guard Christmas box has to be one of the best boxes released in recent years and I managed to get one by visiting every game site in the UK on pre-order day to find one where they still had some. At least that's how it felt. As far as the 'old' Combat Patrols keep your eyes open for the Hachette Combat Patrol magazine, 9 full Combat Patrols over 90 issues. Due in August in the UK and probably next year for the rest of the world.

[@midknight9327]

Speaking of the mole launcher, you do not lose cc weapon so it is ok. In addition that beaerk will have more wounds so it doesnt matter in that situation. The mole launcher is more of a bonus in the end

[@hypersloth8139]

As a Votann player, the beserks are fine as is. The launcher is more of a utility weapon since it can reduce all the movement of what it hits by 2" so you can more easily charge it next turn. It also gives the model +1 wound and +1 to the attack profile of its weapons. I font mind him going in on combat. It's also nice for him to more easily FNP and survive a D3 weapon since he has 3 wounds so it makes the whole squad a little tankier.

[@badrabbit9703]

You are correct about your blasting charges. It works like Reinforcements for the Imp Guard whose Sentinels get back their Hunter rkiller missles and Kasrkin get back their Frisbee of Death.

[@Nemoknowsnothing]

Jay, I would like to point out that in Necromunda there are rules that might make you lose control of you minis! Imagine this epic duel between this escher and a goliath, she kicks him in the stomach, he takes one to many steps back, the turret opens fire. Or the coward bottling out, just too panicked to remember there was a tower...

[@matthewdutrow392]

Ugh, that Battle Sister box hurt my soul a little, I just went down and got the “old” combat patrol with the Rhino yesterday so I don’t feel bad about it. Although, I do love the Sacresants!

[@raviahmad9903]

Yeah just grabbed an 'old' Sisters combat patrol I'd been dithering over. Thanks for the heads up Jay!

[@euansmith3699]

I love watching Jay's videos. He is so enthusiastic and fun; and he regularly reminds me why I do not try to get back in to 40k 😄😄😄😄

[@metagrossle]

I want to see you paint BT Aggresors!!

[@DreadnoughtMan266]

Painting and models and memories are the perfect combo

[@Geko_adz]

Speaking of aliens, would love to see jay paint the aliens and colonial marines from the Gale force 9 series

[@NewWarhammerNerd8881]

I got a dark angels combat patrol, it has a blade guard veteran squad an intercessor squad a Hellblaster squad and a Gravis Captain. along with transfers and add-ons. I really am happy with it

[@garethwevell5765]

Episode 11 of asking for black Templar aggressors

[@totalCoolerUsername]

Cringe

[@Meako92]

Step 1: buy aggressors and BT upgrade sprue Step 2: stick some shit from the upgrade sprue to said aggressors Step 3: move on with your life Hope this helps!

[@Astartesparty]

I don’t think a lot of people run BT aggressors , or atleast the ones I’ve played against

[@metagrossle]

I want BT aggresors!!!

[@captaincorundum9788]

​@@totalCoolerUsernameno u

[@brendanflynn2965]

I am not playing GW's game anymore. I still play their games but earlier iterations, and I usually use Wargames Atlantic miniatures, as equivalents. My genstealer cultists are converted from Wargames Atlantic penal troops, because they wear a utility suit which works well. A few genestealer head swaps make these fit in very well with my two actual genestealer units. The whole army fits into my warbuss, which is a Mattel retro buss that just screams genestealer cult. WA have miniatures you can use as guard, preatorian, catachan, and others. I have done gangs for old school necromunda as well.

[@buzzardb]

I just snagged the old SoB box because of FOMO. Just looks like a super fun box to paint.

[@arthurpilchard8639]

I’m painting my first space marines today! Primed first one.

[@Riddler_von]

Please look at the sprues from the Darktide board game box. Old minis on new sprues The zealot model was on a Blackstone fortress sprue and now is single but has a slotta base same for the Psyker Plus and the ogryn and kaserkin are on one sprue (sorry too many sprue words) It’s a standard ogryn but new release Therefore are we going to get obliterators and venom crawler in separate kits now.

[@dominiquelytle7262]

What was the 80 themed horror table top game with vhs cases called

[@carlostapia4523]

Don’t look back by Blacksite Studios

[@sharlockshacolmes9381]

Isn't the flavor behind the GSC coming back not that they literally come back but that some other cultist pop up from underground to take their place? in that case yhea they should have their grenades bac

[@roush243]

I would say make those turret guns part of the map. Imagine a map with a big building in the middle, but these things are on sentry duty and will shoot anyone who approaches. So you have this area that if you can get there gives you a big advantage, but you have to get past these auto guns to use that advantage. I love features like that in games.

[@lukepower117]

Another interesting note about not changing combat patrol is I believe the Drukhari combat patrol still cannot have the Archon lead Incubi, as they didn't receive the datasheet update to allow this

[@jtemby]

I've just started with Sisters. I got a canonness and 3 warsuits through the imperium magazine at a huge discount, and i got the sisters killteam to start me off, but if i get celestine and the new battleforce and im at a comfortable 1000 points at a not terrible price.

[@tatertime]

"Hey, 40k is kinda cool, I wonder if I could get an army or tw- *sees price*..... Wow! That Resin printer is an awesome deal!!!"

[@johnnyfresh5798]

just asking btw... with the changes in buisnesses having a harder time to strike down other firms that do the same... can we expect a cheaper version to original figurines and maybe even a heroforge like custom mini buisness ? (i am not that fit in american buissnes news...)

[@amiralendiku7688]

"i'm not gonna paint an other magus i already have 3" said the man who have painted every chaplain ever made in history

[@frogwithbrush]

Can you do an emperors children video

[@trevormcguire6984]

@1:37 Schemes Workshop huh? That's a new one. It kinda fits too 'eh?

[@brokenheroics8223]

The App updates the Combat Parols and GW started to keep the old CP rules in the App. So. You can still use the old GSC with CP rules and the new one.. Jay, you should do an episode to compare the old CP rules and the new CP rules.

[@notanotherpyro]

So I will say as someone who bought the old genestealer cult box, one thing that I do think they are doing that is nice for the genestealer cult box is it does complement the old one well. It's a lot of the unit the old box didn't come with much of, the kit you should be buying the most of after you got the old box, the other good vehicle the old box didn't come with, and the bikes. I'm going to look at it in the inverse of how you looked at it, I want more acolytes and a ridgerunner, so I get bikes and a jackal for free. Maybe with the codex there will be a more fun way to play the more mad max vehicle heavy genestealers and I will be happy with all of them.

[@Stanmanme]

I was planning to eventually get sisters (I started a kill team for them), The second they announced the new box I bought the old one cuz the new one sucks

[@paulausten5786]

GW let’s hike up the prices & give less models in the CP’s. I’m so disillusioned with 40k at the moment & don’t hold out much hope with the Sister codex being much good. I’m going to give AoS my time & if I feel the same way for that I will just stick to non GW games that I already play & get into Battletech.

[@Rook986]

I understand that they try to alternate the types of models in each faction that are offered in discount boxes (why start collecting tsons went from rubrics to tzaangors/terminators), but with around 3 years between boxes does that matter?

[@oligb1469]

I'm just waiting for that Vespid killteam I'm so excited for new models

[@bobafettig8899]

When I’m in a worst combat patrol contest and my opponent is the Admech Combat Patrol box (260 points worth of dudes 😭)

[@JimCrimmins]

This. The new admech CP is so few points its just silly

[@knightsljx]

All the 10th Ed CP are trash. The Custodes one just looks good be because they removed the Sisters and replaced them with actual Custodes. But in terms of discount, it was still a, reduction

[@shigjetar]

Really wanted to pick up GSC before their codex cause I knew they were going to neuter the combat patrol but it’s too late already. Guess I’m not collecting GSC lol. Anyone that wants to collect Drukhari you better get your 3 combat patrols now.

[@blkjet117]

Combat Patrol is going to go the way of Spearhead. Mostly infantry, 4 units seems what they are aiming for. They are trying to emulate AOS Spearhead. They are shooting for balanced out of the box, tournament ready, and quick play. A good gateway product, but it will be able to stand on it's own.

[@pejo3348]

Pleaseee Jay work on your gsc i love the new schemee

[@yokorose]

I am so happy i got hold of the old combat patrol before it, changed

[@sandskee342]

where do i find rules to the new combat patrols?

[@Sheisinvisible]

Do a black templar Horus Heresy Legends model

[@captndavis938]

I was lucky when i purchased my old sister's combat control box over a year ago. I only paid £60 new and sealed from my my local post office (they had a warhammer section) it was reduced for winter sales, then 15% off on top of that for spending a certain amount, then a coupon i had saved 👌

[@PearlJam2k6]

As someone that wants to make a Sister display army, the loss of the rhino is a huge let-down. The shield maidens is nice, but at this point might as well just buy them separately. Its weird, especially with the 10x Arcos in the box instead of the rocketpacks or something. Kind of hard to chose and a lot of math to do where to save money in the end.

[@paulbeattie1182]

Agree 100% with the sentry gun idea.

[@Riddler_von]

All these box sets combat patrol or army boxes were great starting points AND (big and) if you subscribed to imperial magazine you got all the new necron and new all the primaris stuff (monopose) But you got it all and Ad mech and sisters

[@Bigjoe789]

Hello Jay

[@covester]

brother man the imperium partworks magazines had 3 paragon warsuits for 20aud each which I imagine is like 3 dollars in USD

[@xxalsinusxx2038]

Wait, what's wrong with the Grey Knights box? It makes them one of the cheapest armies to collect and gives you everything you need to have a solid list. Am I missing something here?

[@stujm84]

Those sentry guns from Necromunda would look ace as part of a 'Guard army, rather than using using the heavy weapons platforms

[@scottlidstone1902]

I like the new ork patrol, I didn't have any of these models and you get a full box of beast snaggas for free.

[@planetap2745]

Arcos look so much better than sisters on sneakers though

[@robertfarrand4204]

As soon as the new Adepta Sororitas box was released I bought the old box, it is sooo much better value for money. I don't play, just for painting. I love the old box for the variety and quantity!

[@yuttorres2896]

I’m about to buy it today

[@Kromgar1337]

I think people need to be realize combat patrol isn't a start collecting box. It's meant to be a whole game mode to bring people in without needing a 1.5k point or 2k point army. That's why Games Workshop pushes combat patrol. It can work as a nice intro for the army too but thats not what it is meant to be.

[@Riddler_von]

Combat patrol was only meant as a push to get new people into 40K So new boxes are just stuff some people may want to add to your army

[@GoufinAround_]

Is there a single new Combat Patrol that's been a better value?

[@stotgunvsface5092]

Depends. Custodes might be less of a discount, but you use everything in the box. Old one gave you a bigger discount, but with units that you might use less. But for most. The discount is worse

[@NormalPersonI]

Just watched the new mad max, WHEN ARE YOU DOING MORE ORKS 🙏🙏🙏

[@Cziro_]

The sisters box was from 2018/19 not 16 :P

[@w1zz0k12]

A minute ago is crazy😅

[@FrejthKing]

My little Pony Cavalry is canon and has always been part of Kreig lore.

[@noops9220]

Best intro eva

[@shiftyvengeance]

you need to explain to my partner why I just bought the old sister's combat patrol

[@yuttorres2896]

I’m about buy one today

[@knobjob2839]

GW needs to justify 3-5% growth year after year to it's shareholders, meanwhile their market/player base stays mostly the same year after year. Don't expect things to get better.

[@AcornPlays]

Unless I'm really dumb, how is 26 models in the new box less than half of the models in the old box? There's not 53 models in it.

[@Leviathan9173]

The Genestealer box is so weird because it isn't a bad new box, it's just not as good as the old one ... weird place to be.

[@liamhier8414]

I'm getting sick of combat patrols ditching big vehicles

[@Bluewater1976]

In my opinion they change the boxes in a way to discourage customers to buy more than one box. Who would need 20 or 30 Arcos?

[@schmitzvi]

This is such a coincidence. My first game tomorrow is against 1000pt genestealers!

[@BluhdRaven0nS]

HE SAID THE THING!!!😆

[@ratbaby3107]

Ive been out of the game for a good bit, but the fact that you can spend 190 dollars on just models and not even crack 400 points is sending me into absolute conniptions. I remember getting into the game by spending 90 bucks on 500-600 points. You can buy a malifaux keyword and a half for the cost of not even a third of a warhammer army, even in discounted boxes

[@patrickneu7481]

whenever you say "it's fiiiiiiine...", we know it's not "fine" :D

[@tonydiazist]

almost missed today. here yall go 0:21

[@Riddler_von]

Also the genestealer cult box is excellent for necromunda ash wastes players

[@DeathGuard4ThePlagueGod]

Yay, new video!!!