New Compact RED SCIENCE with BLUEPRINTS | Dyson Sphere Program Master Class

[@Nilaus]

Updated Blueprint book broken into 8 pieces of

[@quixilvr]

@Nilaus, why do you build your designs from left to right on your KZbin videos, but when placing your blueprints they go from right to left? (At least if you are facing where North is upward like I do)

[@Nilaus]

@@quixilvr , it depends on your facing north or south when placing them. They are all built the same way: Clockwise when facing north

[@atari1994]

THANKS!

[@tonyc3858]

thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou

[@Leedark3]

Am I doing something wrong? The zip file for red science blueprints is empty for me.

[@michaeldavis8549]

This build feels so much better than the filtered input one that tends to starve itself and is prone to breaking after researching sorter upgrades. Great job!

[@tricorius9653]

If anyone is trying to use this to bootstrap cracking (the recipe set for the outer oil processors), you can do the following: - drop a liquid storage in the gap to the left of the research towers - temporarily route the light oil into it - drop a storage on the top-right and add some graphite - toss an out-sorter on the graphite storage to load it onto the graphite line used by the research towers You’ll now be sinking the light oil so it doesn’t backup. And you’ll be providing graphite to make the 400 red cubes needed for cracking research. After that, reroute the light oil down the lanes in the blueprint instead of the sinking storage; and get rid of the graphite storage hack. Finally, set the outer oil processors to use the cracking recipe and it should fire everything up and run.

[@GeekNeff13]

I plan to watch all your Master Class series. Your easy to listen to and very informed & informative. Keep it up please!

[@oilylioratuto]

Thanks for the blueprint. Tested it out. It was not as streamlined as I expected. Here are my notes: 1. In order for the blueprint to work it requires red science upgrade 'X-Ray Cracking'. Not sure if it is explicitly mentioned in this video. In your playthrough you have temporary quick/dirty red science operation to research x-ray cracking and then transition to this blueprint. I plopped this blueprint and wait what?: red science is required for red science :) 2. If red science is prerequisite than why not research Mass construction with red science to allow 600 structures and have blueprint in only two chunks. Because 8 chunks with 150 structure limit is a bit confusing. I needed to rotate blueprint so needed to change placing sequence of 5 and 6 parts (refineries hugging matrix labs). 3. Maybe elevated belts are more straightforward for blueprints compared to splitters. As I remember I needed something to fine tune after placing splitters but it could be user error. 4. On higher level if temporary quick/dirty red science is needed anyways. Maybe I should stay in that phase with massive storage for refined oil and use it later for plastic production and get my hydrogen from gas giants. That was my two cents. Thank you for your great work.

[@FunnelCakeRyan]

Very clean build. This one I've always found to be messy and hard to make pretty. Thanks!

[@darkestkhan]

I personally go at 1 cube/s before 'civilizing' (with ILS) my planets - the reason is that you don't have enough time to make use of all that science early on. At 7th hour I am cranking 1/s of blue, red, yellow and purple. It is more than enough, and it is also time where you have to start switching to logistic towers and removing spaghetti. That takes a bit of time that can be used for doing the research that wasn't being done so far.

[@randomtox910]

ok wow, this design is incredible!

[@SidharthSen]

oh darn it ... I literally was awake till 4 am following your previous video to build my red science build .. time to build it again1

[@Anson_AKB]

17:25 - to merge everything, you can use sideloading (or just connect two belts) and fill those belts with the priority outputs of splitters. thus items will come from production on two belts, and in splitters with priority will be redirected to a merge via sideloading. only if one or both belts back up at the sideloading, will they backup to the splitter which then outputs the real overflow to your overflow-output. i invented this method (and probably lots of other people too :-) when i built my fractionator loops: i first had the same problem that you have here, using a splitter to merge the loop with an input and split those two inputs to two outputs, one to the loop and one to an overflow output. lots of time, items on the loop and on the input would arrive at the same time and not fill all gaps in the loop. this no longer happened when i built a real loop with no connections besides a short belt (you could call this short belt a buffer) that inserted items into all gaps of the loop via sideloading. there still was a splitter, but it only diverted some items with priority to this short belt (to do the sideloading) and thus had only a single input and never two simultaneously arriving items.

[@stoiamarius891]

Love it...so amazing...I`m wondering when you will continue with the early hub.. the second part

[@ardbug9577]

Watching you tinker with this build on stream was great, I had to go to bed before you put the cracking on the outside, but holy moly this is a sexy build, such elegant efficiency :)

[@spc-tr]

Sadly, the blueprint entity limit at blue + red science is 600 :/

[@quixilvr]

I have chopped up this blueprint into 8 pieces all at 150 facilities or less (since you need 500 Reds to get larger blueprints up to 600 facilities), and posted it on the Dyson Sphere Program site under the collection, "Nilaus New Compact RED SCIENCE" (www.dysonsphereblueprints.com/collections/nilaus-new-compact-red-science)

[@Nilaus]

Updated Blueprint book broken into 8 pieces of

[@spc-tr]

@@Nilaus you’re the best!!

[@norsey_]

Super elegant, love the design. Keep em coming Nilaus!!! Tip: If you want to have 'daylight' for the recordings, there's a mod called 'Super Night Light' that turns Mecha's light into a sun which you can toggle on/off. It would be cool if you could research an increase in Mecha's light and trade brightness for power consumption. Splitter: The lack of buffer in the splitters can be annoying but there's a mod called 'DSP Smooth Splitter' which adds a small buffer into the splitters. There's no performance impacts with these 2 mods that I've found but add a small QoL until the dev team can implement themn

[@sixtenmagnusson8437]

Love these! Hope you make more, I would like to see a mid, end-game typ of hub that can provide the stuff for your polar-HUBs

[@jgischer]

This is a good build. I especially like the 2x3 array of splitters. AND, I don't like to use X-ray cracking in the early-to-mid game. With XRC, you have only one input, Crude Oil. That's good. There are two outputs - red science and H. If you do this without XRC, you need to make Graphite somewhere, and the two outputs are red science and fuel (or light oil as you like to call it). I prefer the latter because you need fuel to make plastic for yellow science and to make sulphuric acid for both graphene and titanium alloy. Which I need to build ILS's. Meanwhile, there's a lot of coal on the home planet, it's not that hard to get your hands on graphite early. THAT WILL CHANGE! for sure. But you know, the first stuff you build isn't that permanent. It's a bit weird to not use the early stuff they give you, but it seems to work out simpler for me.

[@TheQuerantino]

Thanks for that build. I have added 4 arc smelters and some labs.the smelters producing EG to have no excess hydrogen. Input is 360 EG and 360 hydrogen according to item tracker thingy.output is 3 red cubes /s(180/min)

[@supermanprime3349]

Thanks man, i'm using your jump start base in my 2nd or 3rd play thru now, and all i will say is it is hard to find enough land, but if you do its great!....hopefully i get to planetary logistics this time, cause then i think it should get better if the game works the way i think it does...:) anyways great series of videos for this game! good job my guy

[@arjaneek1387]

That's a nice design and again a good explanation. Thank you.

[@justinkarnes3276]

This was super crisp. Thank you.

[@austerepanic9461]

unfortunately at red/blue science, blueprints are limited to 600 buildings, belts alone are over 600 items, maybe break it into 2 blueprints

[@quixilvr]

I have chopped up this blueprint into 8 pieces all at 150 facilities or less (since you need 500 Reds to get larger blueprints up to 600 facilities), and posted it on the Dyson Sphere Program site under the collection, "Nilaus New Compact RED SCIENCE" www.dysonsphereblueprints.com/collections/nilaus-new-compact-red-science

[@Nilaus]

Updated Blueprint book broken into 8 pieces of

[@austerepanic9461]

@@Nilaus awesome! thanks for doing that

[@danyraven7624]

i would've gone crazy if i had to make it from scratch... i'll use your bp for sure c.c thank you so much

[@ltjon1924]

Blue prints have got to be some kind of secret cheat code that I haven't figured out yet....

[@TheRetsehc]

Instead of the hydrogen splitter could you place a 2 stack of the liquid containers with the lower output towards the science producers and the upper output towards overflow?

[@J4MM1E2]

I really need to test if this works. Sounds solid on paper!

[@TheRetsehc]

@@J4MM1E2 Let me know. You should be able to remove the bottom right splitter that way as well since the overflow hydrogen belt is already elevated, just go over the graphite belt.

[@J4MM1E2]

@@TheRetsehc Just tested it. Sadly the upper output doesnt work, nothing comes out even when the top gets completely full. The orientation of the output also seems a bit finicky, maybe its bugged. Shame, this would be a great solution and would work in reality.

[@yuidesu5625]

@@J4MM1E2 if you allow an extra space in the center at 5:58 you get to place 4 belts instead of 3 at the research labs; 3 in and 1 out, so you can have hydrogen on both sides without ever combining them. You also get to place less filtered splitters if you don't like them. It's also a bit more symetrycal if you care about that stuff.

[@sharaal8312]

I think about if this fractioning is really useful. In the early game, I store the refined oil into some fluid storage tanks to use directly after for the yellow science. In the late game, hydrogen isn't anymore needed from the oil processing because I get more than enough from the gas giants. Together with other rare resources (mining organic crystal, pumping sulfuric acid, and using fire ice), oil processing is only needed for some plastic to produce particle broadband. The hydrogen from the oil processing I normally just burn to avoid stopping refined oil production.

[@charleswheeler9028]

Unfortunately it seems the blueprint is too big to build with blue science upgrades. You need yellow science upgrade to build it.

[@Elkatook666]

@Nilaus ... blueprint limited to 600 facilities , until you research 3000 facilities , but you need 800 yellow science to unlock this this blueprint weighs in at 855. great video, but this comment from Charles does address an issue

[@quixilvr]

I have chopped up this blueprint into 8 pieces all at 150 facilities or less (since you need 500 Reds to get larger blueprints up to 600 facilities), and posted it on the Dyson Sphere Program site under the collection, "Nilaus New Compact RED SCIENCE" (www.dysonsphereblueprints.com/collections/nilaus-new-compact-red-science)

[@broEye1]

Does a research building require both blue and red to research a blue & red item? Or can I have a blue research area and a separate red research area?

[@DiceHard]

Bookmarking these for when I delve back in to DSP. As soon as I kick my Factorio habit 😋

[@Fky12345]

I run the Blueprint Red Science 2 / sec from the blueprint collection. Each time the Hydrogen Storage tank runs full with Hydrogen the production of red cubes stops. No idea yet how to overcome this but you sayed the tanks must be cleared every now and then...

[@japaroads]

Great early game build! Only 2 red science/sec for the entire game though? That’s wild. I’m trying to get 80 white science/sec rn.

[@benjameslewis]

When will we be continuing on at Sabatron towards 60 science per second? Thanks

[@00muck]

thats kinda beautiful

[@edwardtoon]

Thank you for the videos. It would be nice to have a blueprint for a hub right when you get interplanetary stations. Mine always turn into a disorganized mess.

[@Nilaus]

It is coming soon...

[@edwardtoon]

@@Nilaus Thank you.

[@ericlala]

@@Nilaus been waiting for your bp on that next stage. Been stalling on building chemical plants by chopping all the trees and even got the gas giant research.

[@turmat01]

I don't understand, there are lines of unused refined oil. Won't this back up the system and stop it?

[@gogokowai]

If you merge the belts before putting them in the sorter it will fix your hydrogen "leak", it definitely wouldn't look as clean though

[@Tantow]

This is great. But I have a problem with my oil production. I'm trying to work along with your play through but I went around and tapped all my oil wells and connected them to logistics stations. Now the production is halved because they've been running too long.

[@valkyrieknight593]

Would running the graphite output back to the CrudeOil Interstellar Tower, using the Interstellar Tower as a Buffer. Then run a belt through that gap to the Red Science Towers make the build more compact, albeit more belts used.?

[@ryanlucasjury]

Why not use the day light toggle mod for this series? Would love to see some power build masterclass/blueprints maybe in 1 video if it makes sense... something like graphene -> hydrogen -> deuterium -> ray -> etc. And possibly some advice on if/when to transition.

[@Nilaus]

I play unmodded

[@CaptainDavidius]

It looks like that one would fit in the 5-wide tropics.

[@insnprsn]

Can you break this blueprint down into parts

[@quixilvr]

I have chopped up this blueprint into 8 pieces all at 150 facilities or less (since you need 500 Reds to get larger blueprints up to 600 facilities), and posted it on the Dyson Sphere Program site under the collection, "Nilaus New Compact RED SCIENCE" (www.dysonsphereblueprints.com/collections/nilaus-new-compact-red-science)

[@insnprsn]

@@quixilvr Much appreciated.

[@brickbatviscounting]

Great stuff as always!

[@Eriikkkkk]

Great build! But wouldn't it be possible to spread the science buildings apart to pull the red cubes out in between them to make the whole build more OCD friendly. The one space gap is killing me...

[@agudgi]

Awesome build! :) To deal with the bleeding Hydrogen could you hook the 2nd hydrogen line directly to the output from the merger, rather than to the merger itself? Not quite as pretty but should function as intended?

[@ILikeEpicurus]

Two Red per second is sufficient? How does that match with the 30 White per second? Or is this just for early to mid game science research?

[@Nilaus]

After 100 hours i still run on 2-3 science / sec on my way to build 60 science / sec

[@ILikeEpicurus]

@@Nilaus Roger, out

[@EARTH-rg7ec]

At the end of your DSP videos on your paetreon thanks scene you should put on the right (where there is nothing) your "Current upgrade data" because i am reallly intrested on where you are at

[@Nilaus]

I don't understand what you mean, but the answer is no. The end screen is monthly and used for all my videos

[@EARTH-rg7ec]

@@Nilaus you know when you go to the research tab in DSP on the right you have the summarry of all your in game stats mining speed/ mining efficiency /logistic vessel speed etc, just for you to show us your progrees on your white cubes upload for like 1 second and we just pause the video if we want to see it, i was proposing the end screen because there is space on the right but ofc if you update it monthly for the paetreons its useless for you to modify it only for DSP videos I get it

[@gentleman_muk]

i cant use the blueprints anymore for some reason

[@Scoreface]

Couldn't you just use the input interstellar logistics station as an output station? You've got the space in the middle.

[@Nilaus]

Interstellar is Yellow science so not available at the tech level this is designed for

[@Scoreface]

It's not about the kind of Logistics station, more about making it even more compact by reusing the input logistics station(crude oil) for the output(red cube/hydrogen) you could run the belt through the middle where you left space for symmetry reasons.

[@atari1994]

What is the /sec of the oil needed for this? 6? Nevermind... it was said later in the vid lol

[@quixilvr]

Per Niluas the input is 4 Crude Oil per second (2 Oil Extractors)

[@alistair9337]

think if you didn't put both lanes of hydrogen into the same splitter, you wouldn't get the excess going to the tower. It is caused by more hydrogen entering the splitter than it can handle at one time, so bypass the splitter with one lane.

[@J4MM1E2]

I think this might lead to jamming

[@alistair9337]

@@J4MM1E2 It shouldn't. only when the first line completely feeds the research centres, and then when there is a back log in the splitter, will the excess go back to the tower. It isn't as symmetrical, but is more efficient

[@J4MM1E2]

@@alistair9337 Would the line that has bypassed the splitter not jam though? That one will have no alternative direction to shunt the excess and would backup all the way to the refineries eventually. If instead of having both going into one splitter you have a second splitter that could work. Then you have only one input per splitter and each has an alternative direction once they back up. This will require changing up the layout a bit, im gonna test it.

[@alistair9337]

@@J4MM1E2 so if Nilaus says is true, if he is making 6 per second, a lvl 1 belt can take that. the issue is that 2 hydrogen are hitting the splitter at the exact same time, on a belt one just waits for space, but the splitter can't handle it, so the splitters spits it towards the tower. If you bypass the splitter on one line, the line can handle the 6 per second: occasionally you will get some waiting on the line, but should be manageable. that waiting might lead to some splitter rejection but should be way less.

[@J4MM1E2]

@@alistair9337 I get what you're saying, but I don't think the issue is whether the tier 1 belt can handle 6 H per sec. It is that the ratio for red science is 1:1 for H and graphite and more hydrogren is produced than is needed. I think with the changes you're talking about will stop the uneeded early hydrogen splitting but result in the bypass line backing up once hydrogen builds up. If this happens the flow of graphite will stall, science will stop and nothing will move. Maybe im wrong and I'm just not seeing it though. I'll give the whole thing a test both you're way and mine later on and see if either solve the issue without the belt upgrade nilaus talks about.

[@gogokowai]

I don't know why people hate raised belts so much, it's cheaper and more compact

[@argspid]

Sometimes it's harder to look at, and new belts occasionally snap to old ones when you don't want them to. A minor thing, but it can get annoying if you have a lot of them.

[@IndrekJu]

+1. Also easier to see where things are moving. Splitters are basically "black boxes" and you have to think before seeing what exactly is happening.

[@perfectinsight2384]

birst

[@Dima-iq9iq]

You are, indeed, birst.

[@marekvernarec1856]

Yes

[@Nortonius_]

Love the comparison to coal liquefaction in Factorio! 🛢