NEW DESIGN FOR OUR CUSTOM FIREWOOD PALLETS AND CONCLUSION ON THE KILN

#firewood #firewoodpallets #firewoodkiln #maine

[@wayneberry8703]

Hi Phil and Karen. I’m sorry the kiln hasn’t worked out for you with drying your wood so far. Hopefully your newly designed pallets will work a lot more efficiently? Good luck with it. Stay warm when looking outside with that snow and ice everywhere looks bitterly cold.

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Thanks Wayne we just got another 5 inches of wet heavy snow hopefully the new pallets will make a difference

[@inthebackyardwithdel438]

Hey Phil and Mrs Karen , I really like your idea on the new pallets . I believe that will be your answer . Have a safe week !! 👍🏻🪵🔥

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Hopefully it speeds up the drying time on the pine for us . Thanks Dell

[@davidedwards3734]

Y'all will get the kiln figured out!! New pallets look good!! Stay Hydrated and Have a Safe Day

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Thanks David we think the power bill we just got for the shop figured out the kiln for us! lol

[@Mark-Marine]

Sometimes when I work outside, so many little things go wrong that I consider it more productive to just step away for awhile. Of course, I still ponder the problems that brought on my need for a break, but at least I’m not in the work environment that physically beat me down - kind of like the break between rounds in boxing. Once rested, I get back up to take another swing. Glad to see you two do this too.

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Exactly perfectly said Mark!

[@noelstractors-firewood57]

Great interesting video. Thanks. Nasty weather your gettin. Jumpins. Will be neat to see how the new system works out. Could you put a temporary thing in between the rows to keep it stable while moving them with the tractor. You need the heat source right in the room. And get the room to 130F or a little more. Hoping things come along good for ya 👋👍🏻👍🏻👋

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

I think we are getting 6 more inches of snow tonight so by morning it will probably be snowing at your place . There was a comment that we should span a 16 piece of wood between the rows to catch each pile an that would help . We also can wrap each row with that stretch wrap stuff so that should help as well . Im thinking a wood boiler with a heat exchanger right in the room but i need a boiler big enuf to run for 12 hrs on a load of wood and be able to keep up with demand that kiln will need . Probably going to take a outdoor woodboiler to do that an even a used one is not in the budget this yr . Thanks Noel

[@noelstractors-firewood57]

@@AllenFamilyFirewood ya. Was thinking that puttying wood in between. Have a great day. No snow here yet. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@iffykidmn8170]

@@AllenFamilyFirewood Does wrapping the wood with the stretch wrap prevent evaporation which then limits air flow? sounds counterproductive.🤨🤔

[@mikehughes2026]

Good that you two took the day off, need that sometimes- last video you looked wiped out, though can’t picture Phil anchoring down the sofa eating Chips Ahoy and watching “ The Price Is Right”😂Years ago, a woman was bidding on the showcase- two dirt bikes and a camping tent, bid like 120 grand- Bob Barker said to her before reading the price, “safe to say you have never shopped for a Motorcycle!! Take care, Friends 🇺🇸

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

i anchored the couch down alright just no Price is Right for me lol I do like Chips Ahoy though! take care Mike

[@ironmayhew]

You are now saving 2 stack pockets per pallet, so that is great savings as well. Great idea you to. Love your video as well.

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Thanks Josh any savings is good hoping the new pallets do the trick

[@billobermeyer660]

I like the new design for the pallets! As far as the kiln, anything worth doing doesn't have to be done perfectly the first time. Keep up the great work!

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Thanks Bill we'll revisit the kiln at some point down the road but just got the power bill from running all those fans and almost fainted

[@danshouseofsmokeandoutdoor7119]

Hope the new pallets work out. I am thinking trying a bin this year. Kind like in the wood yard used. Keep up the good work.

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Thanks Dan we hope they work too good luck with your bin

[@dono9879]

Hello Phil and Karen. There is nothing as nice as fresh white snow covering a layer of solid ice. Working outside in that weather would have been a disaster. The new pallets seem to be a great idea. Is it possible to build a spacer something like a pallet. Than shove it side ways between the two rows of wood while moving the wood. Pulling it out when you get it to its final location, to prevent the wood from moving during transport. Thanks for another good video.

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Thanks DonO we may have to do something like that with the pallets if they're not stable enough when we move them we'll try it first and hope for the best

[@susanscherer143]

Don’t give up! You’ll figure it out!! Loved seeing moisture results on outer and inner of 🪵. 7 pallets built is great! You too move so fast building them also! LOL😂. NEVER BORING!

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

lol, thanks Sue wish we moved that fast in real life the power bill we just got for the shop figured out the kiln for us real quick

[@susanscherer143]

@@AllenFamilyFirewood ahhh man 🫶🏻

[@user-sm3zn5mk8z]

Hi, Allen family you are on to something with the new pallets. Thing about the smaller wood in old video you make. Smaller wood more money . Dry faster. Mrs. Karen i didn't thing Phil could move dat fast good job on video. Have fun and i push the like button.

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Thanks! lol, I wish we could move that fast in real life!

[@cherylgagnon4429]

Better days are ahead you two. The new pallet plan looks good! You did a nice job on them. Nice video Karen and Phil. ❤

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Thanks Mom we will figure it out eventually hopefully the new pallets will help in the drying .

[@dalemarks4332]

As far as the kiln is concerned you put in a great effort and plan a really doesn't work for me very often it's usually plan b c d but I'm sure you're already thinking and you'll come up with the palace was a great idea again I love the way you two think and maybe in the future just a couple of strategically placed fans and you'll figure out a heat source that will work for you it is awesome that you can make your own pallets and create the ones designed for what you want it done I have a hard time getting pallets keep up the good work it's always a pleasure to see what you come up with next

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Thanks Dale always thinking of ways to improve our system we're gonna have to let mother nature do her thing with drying the wood just got the power bill for the shop! No room for profit there!

[@fricknjeep]

hi there like the wood racks/boxes . i have made lots over the years . i stopped putting the bottom boards on them . for several reasons . i also switched to just 3 pressure treated base boards ,got tired of the rotting , witch would render the whole useless . always looking for a better box , john

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

yup they do require maintenance after time so they don't fall apart

[@toddsoutsideagain]

New pallet design looks great. We had a day of that nasty ice. Had most everything shut down around here! Take care Phil and Karen👍🏻👍🏻

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Thanks Todd we just got another 5 inches of wet heavy crap to go along with it i'll be all day plowing out the wood yard

[@camperjack2620]

A way to stabilize the stacks is to put in some pieces that go across the air space here and there. Two or three bridges across every foot or two would probably work. Or keep a supply of 38 inch sticks

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Thanks! We are doing that now and it works great!

[@jimbo5056]

Hope you two relaxed and enjoyed the play day.🙂 Had a thought on stabilizing the new pallets/stacks. Maybe cut some 36-38 inch slabs to span using 3 across and every foot n half to two foot of height as you stack up to your 5 foot height. Maybe it will stop the tip in effect. Good luck👍

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Thanks we did relax for the most part i'll have to look at doing something like that if they're too unstable moving them

[@BW35bucket]

Great job. Kiln project just a minor set back. You will get it. Phill to pump the wood out. the kiln has to be a project to rethink. I want to try my hand at it someday. Great video.

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Eventually we will figure it out or go broke trying lol. There is definitily more to drying wood in a kiln than i had thought .

[@johnwoody4905]

good video and job i think you will have to get it much hotter and cook the water out of it like you do in a bulk tobacco barn for tobacco pallets look good, lucky we had very little snow and ice this winter so far. both of you take care, besafe and well.

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Thanks John! We’ve given up on the kiln for now. It’s been a really mild winter, let’s hope it continues…we’re too close to spring now! Take care!

[@geezerindawoods]

Everyone needs and unscheduled day off now and then! Well Dun!

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Thanks! sure do

[@bobfitch607]

Good thought process Phil. Bugs are in the run you’ll have them all out soon 👍

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Only way to learn is to do it an keep trying . Im not giving up on the kiln just gota come up with a different plan .

[@McKameyFarms]

Some really good looking pallets Phil & Karen. I hate that the kiln hasn’t provided the results you were after, but definitely an A for effort 👍🏻

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Thanks Brandon! just got the power bill for the shop and the kiln is definitely on hold!

[@toddpacheco4748]

You two guys will be able to get through this and will be moving forward 😮😊❤

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

We always figure something out . I know it will work i just need to figure out how to make it work lol .

[@danwilliams6830]

Phil if you put a couple pieces of firewood over lapping about 2/3 the way up it should keep your rows apart.😊 Keep up the good work 👍

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

We were thinking 3 ft 2 by 4s but i didnt want them getting dumped into the trailer at delivery time but ya thats a good idea we will try some 16 in pieces of just firewood that will go from stack to stack . Gota ck with the stacking machine first cause she likes to stack one row then start the next by adding pieces to span both piles you would have to stack both rows at the same time an she might not like that idea . .

[@leonardryan8723]

Phil very very cold weather is good to for drying firewood 🪵 same as the sun ☀️.

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

It sure does i always called it freeze drying it .

[@danielwalch2618]

Hi phil To hold the rose on the pallet together, use a hay bale net roll that allows air to circulate Nice greetings from austria Daniel

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

We have always used the plastic wrap on the top to hold em together but i like ya idea i will look next time i am at the farm supply store to see if they have that netting .

[@OpenAirAdventure]

One thing is for sure, if all else fails, you can get into the pallet making business. I hope the two row pallet of pine dries for ya. I feel bad, all your hard work.

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

I tend to always learn the hard way first Kenny . Right now we shut every thing down in the shop after getting our latest power bill . The power bill was way more than all 3 cord was worth so drying wood inside is not feasible for us .

[@OpenAirAdventure]

@AllenFamilyFirewood sometimes the old fashioned way and planning ahead is the best route for everyone.

[@DanielAtkinsFirewood]

I think the pallets will work better in the long run.. the kiln was a good experiment..😉👍

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

More airspace should equal faster drying outside and inside . I think we will try pine for our next run in the kiln that stuff dries really fast probably should have started with that first instead of the hardest stuff to dry . Fresh split ice cold red oak is probably the hardest wood to dry . Having that extra air space on the new pallets should make drying pine in there work alot better than the hard wood . We might also hang some plastic to force the hot dry air threw a tunnle of sorts so it has to work its way threw the wood . If that dont work then the woodstove is out an we will have to go with a wood boiler an supper insulate the room then i know we can get the temp up around 150 an just put the fan on the exhaust side an set it to come on when the humid reaches a certain level .

[@906sisu5]

I still think if you add a dehumidifier to the kiln it'll work better. You might be surprised on the economics of it. Leave the exhaust pipe going outside, add a dehumidifier with a pump to a 5 gallon bucket and go through a load. If you want you can put a "kill a watt" meter on the dehumidifier to see how much power it's drawing and figure out the cost for a load. It's where I would head anyway. Good luck

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

So no heat blowing into the room and no air exchange i think is what ya saying with just a dehue running . I agree a airtight room with just a dehu running will eventually dry the wood the bigger the dehu the faster the wood drys . I belive most of the guys doing that have some sort of electric heater in there as well . Because our building is called comercial we have to pay a comercial power rate an thats about 25% more than residential rate . I think we pay around 14 cents pr kilowat hr but dont quote me on that . We had actually talked to another firewood guy near by that has his kiln set up with propane heat an a big dehu an he said its a break even deal for him an that he only does it to keep a few of his customers happy . The added $ he gets from kiln dryed just pays the power bill an propane bill .

[@906sisu5]

@@AllenFamilyFirewood I would continue the heat into the kiln, keep the outside exhaust so your shop doesn't rain inside, but a dehumidifier will pull the moisture out much quicker. Having one that has a built in pump to a 5 gallon bucket you won't have to empty it as often and you can still monitor how much water is coming out. Here in the U.P. we have one on the highest electric rates in the country and a friend of mine drys lumber in his shop with just a fan and dehumidifier. I myself am planning on making a kiln for lumber with a dehumidifier and a natural gas boiler

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

We just got the power bill for the shop. Can’t continue the way we’ve been doing it. Outrageous!

[@mrscuba1693]

This is an Idea for you there is companys that will buy 1 way pallets we called them disposable pallets you can make the boards much thinner and can use a staple gun to put them together. I know my company spent a lot of money on pallets that could make a whole new business for you. I graduated high school with a guy and his whole life that all he did for a business is make pallets we are both retired now but I still do firewood for a side buck about 205 cords or 28 tri-axle loads of wood all for heat not much camp wood.

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

205 full cords is a full time gig . I like making firewood alot more than making pallets but there are a few places around here that make pallets . Heck we could do real well just making an selling sheds . Having free logs an a sawmill opens alot of doors to make extra cash .

[@zacharyhuberty3986]

As I've mentioned before, take your same experiment, even less heat but use a standard dehumidifier, you will see significant results. Air circulation and low humidity are the keys to drying wood, heated air speeds up the process but heated air at 50% humidity won't do a lot.

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

The air in that room is being changed out every few min . Hot air comes in one side of the kiln room threw an 8 in pipe its 120 -140 degrees an 12% humid the air goes threw and around the wood and exits on the other side out a 8 in pipe at about 50% humid . The fan blowing the heat in threw the pipe is moving alot of air . So im pumping hot 12% air in an cooler 50% air out and its changing the air in the kiln room about every 3 min . I would think that by adding a dehue in the kiln with that much air coming in an going out that fast that it would be like trying to put a lil piece of ice on a hot day in the middle of a tar parking lot but i could be wrong it just dont make any sence to me how it could work . I can see that if i sealed the room tight with no heat an no air in or out that a dehue would work but with what we pay for electric it would cost more to dry the wood than the extra we can get from having it dry compared to just selling it green .

[@michelsauve6264]

Now that you build skids with a wider gap in the middle. How about having as a one time purchase of removable plastic French Drain tubing that you slide in the middle. I think if quick-connected grid like setup, all interconnected powered by a high velocity leaf-blower style fan would turn your kiln into a constant wind tunnel.

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Might work im not sure . I think with the new pallet an a fan blowing down each row it should get lots of air for drying .

[@leonardryan8723]

Good morning Karen , it’s good evening here in the 709 lol 😆.

[@karenallen8581]

Lol Leonard. We can’t lie so when it’s morning it’s “good morning” 😂

[@leonardryan8723]

Phil the mtns dew man . PINE IS FINE make camp firewood bundles Karen 😊.

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Just hoping that with the new pallet design that the pine will be dry enuf come may when we are ready to put stands out .

[@southernadirondackoutdoors]

Interesting stuff! If you put long pieces that connect the rows they should be stable moving around, maybe three 2x4s half way up and 3 more 3/4 the way up. Just stack them in and the weight/pressure of the firewood will wedge everything together keeping the stacks from leaning in or out.

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

I was thinking the same thing but when i dump them they would get mixed in the load of firewood . We have alot of 2 cord orders so 4 pallets with 6 2 by 4s pr pallet would be alot in a load . Back when i was a kid thats how we held the rows from tipping over just throw a 3 ft stick in every now an then to tie the rows together .

[@iffykidmn8170]

@@AllenFamilyFirewood Would the load be in a tension so why the need for 2x4s? 2X2s or 🤔

[@leonardryan8723]

Put a racket strap over them to move them in the woodyard Phil .

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

We use that shrink wrap stuff to go around them but being a taller stack of wood im a lil concerned about the stack tipping over . Just gona have to go slow an easy when i have a full pallet on the tractor .

[@timstout781]

I thought I was already subscribed but I guess I was wrong. New Sub then. lol !!

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Well Thanks Tim we appreciate that an always like hearing from everyone in the comments .

[@smorefirewood]

The kiln will work it just needs a few upgrades. You have an insulated room with exhaust vents. All you need to do is figure the heat out and regular the exhaust better. You have the kiln you just need to figure out how to run it.

[@BW35bucket]

Dana I agree with you he has the room insulated well, it looks like. just needs more BTU s. If he had a wood boiler and heat exchangers in room. With fans. He could burn his cookie wood in boiler. Cutting you out though. Yikes. 😂 Be cautious when buying heat exchangers built with fans combo. Unless it’s rated for say kiln use. the fans will possibly stop working. Hint,hint, Phil’s fan wasn’t even inside room. I called a company about a part I needed. . then asked about a product they sold. They were honest and said there combo units would not work in a kiln because of the fan rating in heated areas. I learned something that day it takes special fan’s possibly. Definitely ask. Karen, phil I want to thank you, your fan failure. It made me realize a normal fan would possibly not stand up to the heat. Always learning.

[@smorefirewood]

@@BW35bucket when Phil success I succeed, when he fails I succeed because I know how to not do something. It’s a win win for me.

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

I agree the room is there but it really needs more insulation about a grands worth more. Outdoor wood boiler is the way to go its really the only thing that would burn wood that dont need to be fed every 5 or 6 hrs we need to get by 12 hrs on a load of wood because im gone that long when i go home . A grand for insulation an 10 grand for a outdoor woodboiler an yes 10 grand when ya add in a cement pad heat exchanger plumbing an instaling wiring to run the boiler . Just not sure we could ever make that $ back only making an extra 100 pr cord of wood . Not sure if a indoor wood boiler can run for 12 hrs an keep up with the demand the kiln needs but its worth looking into because there are a lot of used indoor boilers for under a grand .

[@smorefirewood]

@@AllenFamilyFirewood more insulation might help. But if a kiln can be built in an insulated shipping container or a truck body you really don’t need more insulation. You already have more. It comes down to btu’s in and moist air out.

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

@@smorefirewood The walls are r13 an the celing is r19 . I would think having 2 of the 4 walls being concreat that them 2 walls rob alot of heat .

[@davidlibby7230]

My only thought for the kiln is, if you are heating humid air from one room and pushing it into another room you may actually be increasing the moisture rather than decreasing it. A dehumidifier may be an answer, that way the moisture is removed before it passes by the wood. My thinking may be all wrong. Just some ideas.

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Thanks for the ideas David Unfortunately the power bill we just got for the shop said no more kiln trials lol outrageous

[@davidlibby7230]

I understand. My power bill went up also.@@AllenFamilyFirewood

[@outdoorsinthe608]

Great pallet making guys! Where do you get the stake pockets from?👍👍

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

There is a metal shop here in town that makes them for us but there min order is about a grand . Last time we got a bunch i think they were $3.50 ea . I can get you there number if ya want Jerimia just shoot us an email . Probably have to work out shipping as well . I would think any metal fab shop could make them for ya .

[@Mainelywork]

🤘gotta keep trying new things if you want to improve efficiency. Nice work

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

True! Thanks Jeff

[@bobcunningham3523]

A kiln must be kept at 170-+190 degrees for at least 60 to 72 hours, this also includes air circulation.

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Ive ben told that but ive also ben told that once ya hit 130 it kills all the bugs . It would take quite the set up to hit 170 -190 an im sure at them temps it wouldnt take long to dry firewood . We figured it was worth a try using the woodstove an fans knowing that it wouldnt be as fast but we didnt plan on burning 3 cord to dry 3 cord so we need to figure something else out . We will try it one more time but this next time will be with pine because that dries really easy and we will add more air space between the wood . I guess after that if it dont work we will have to upgrade to a wood boiler to heat the room an add alot more insulation .

[@SKFirewood]

What about using your off cut wood, and just use it to dry faster not get kiln dry 2-3 weeks is a lot quicker than 6 months for sure??

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Not sure what ya saying . Burn the off cuts to heat the kiln or dry the off cuts in the kiln . All of our off cuts are green an wont burn and it would cost more in wood to dry the off cuts than we could sell them for .

[@thomasmalloy900]

For your kiln I’m seeing these Chinese diesel heaters cheap on Amazon? I think it might work.

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Thanks Thomas I'll have to check those out

[@richardbrowne1679]

Hi Phil: Have considering piling it cones outside?

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

We havent mostly because we dont want to handle it a bunch of times . By stacking it on movable and dumpable pallets after we stack it we dont touch it again . We do over 50 full cord of just pine an almost twice that of hardwood .

[@tommyrichmond1293]

Seal have you thought about putting a bowler on the room to dry your wood?

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

I think an outdoor wood boiler would be the way to go mostly because I can get a 12 hr burn time and them rigs put out a lot of heat .

[@jameschandler2776]

I absolutely hate freezing rain. It is horrible and I am too old to deal with it. It usually nocks our power out for a few days. It is even worse when all that frozen rain is covered with snow. It helps when you can make your own pallets because you can get what you want, when you want it. Last night we had bad thunder storms all night and it is about 40 degrees today. It is gray and sloppy wet. Great day to be in a wood heated house. I think you have your heat source too far from the wood and you need more air flow across the wood. Just like drying outside mut on steroids

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Ya the freezing rain is no good i think tonight we are supposed to get 6 inches of snow so that ought to add to the fun tomorrow lol. The pallets are nice but very time consuming gota saw the logs get the lumber inside cut it all into pieces an parts then i can build the pallets but everyone we build this yr is one less we need to build next yr . This summer i think we will swap over to a wood boiler an really seal that kiln up good , hopefully that does the trick but im still going to try drying some pine in there in a few weeks to see how that will do .

[@iffykidmn8170]

@@AllenFamilyFirewood 100-200 cords to break even $ not to mention the time spend stoking fires, building pallets moving wood in and out of the kiln.🤔 sounds like more wood handling not less.

[@iceroad416]

can you just put a wood stove in the drying room and shut the door? would it get too hot in there?

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

That would work great but the chimney would be 50 ft away . If i had it to do over i would have put the chimney at that end of the building . Im thinking a outdoor wood boiler is the answer .

[@iceroad416]

@AllenFamilyFirewood I would try an electric construction heater in the room first maybe 2 of them to get the.temps up to 30 degrees Celsius for a week or so if that works then I would be more confident to invest in a chimney or outdoor wood boiler

[@ClellWise]

I think your wood stove is too far away from your kiln. Hope the new pallets work better for you guys

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

It sure would work better if it was in the kiln but even being that far away we insulated the pipe an its bringing 120 140 degree dry air into the kiln room . Hopefully with alot more airflow on the pallets that helps speed the drying time .

[@mikehughes2026]

No reason to be alarmed Karen- saw a post from let’s just say a “Prolific Commenter” saying he wanted to send a pair- now that’s low-hanging fruit couldn’t let that go! Laughing to myself, thinking poor Karen, that’s the last thing she’d like to receive! Enjoy the weekend!

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Haha! I know who you're talking about! Nonetheless, I think I'll avoid picking up the mail for a bit! lol

[@leonardryan8723]

Organic 2x more them regular in price $$$ 😢

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

That would be nice

[@leonardryan8723]

Phil check out u tube channel trees into firewood 🪵 kiln dry firewood 🪵 in a 4 days check . PHIL 😊

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

Thanks I do watch that channel Leonard

[@leonardryan8723]

It’s sound like buying organic food , who would know ? 😊 try saling organic firewood 🪵 lol. 😮

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

I will try that in a add next fall if we need to advertise .

[@leonardryan8723]

Phil and Karen probably just use work shop went the fire 🔥 is going work help to remove moisture down in firewood 🪵. 😊

[@AllenFamilyFirewood]

I think we would have had about the same luck if we had done that . In a few weeks im going to put some pine in the shop for a week or so before putting it in the kiln . Pine drys really fast so i think we will have better luck with the pine .