NEW DONPHAN FORMS? DISCUSSING PARADOX POKEMON LEAKS IN POKEMON SCARLET & VIOLET ft.

[@gwizzle8094]

MrJamvad first started playing Pokémon when Donphan was Great Tusk

[@souleymanediawara7714]

the real 🐐

[@kwall25]

Old Man Jam

[@S1xEyes]

Seems like this was recorded before all the leaks dropped When Joey said "Delibird, Jigglypuff and Misdreavus might be good" and CTC didn't think it'd be possible.... They're complete monsters

[@e-duh3529]

135spa, spdef and speed Misdreavus Insane bulk Jigglypuff putting clefable to shame

[@toooydoeur]

Dont think those are real

[@valentinafuffa535]

@@e-duh3529 statswise jigglypuff looks strong but as a defensive fairy type losing the ability to eat dark fighting and bug type moves is pretty bad, also doesn't have one of the best defensive abilities in the game in magic guard. we'll have to judge by movepool and by what protosynthesis does, i feel like he's going to be nice but i don't see king clefable getting dethroned just yet

[@e-duh3529]

@@valentinafuffa535 oh I wholeheartedly agree. I just said its bulk is monstrous. The one I'm hyped about is Misdreavus for sure. Crazy how ghost types keep getting good shit

[@mattpet7913]

The mence is wild

[@TomorrowNobody]

All the paradox mons have 570 or 590 BST according to a leak I saw. Future delibird has something like 124 SpA and 136 Spe. Not confirmed but looked very legit.

[@alexjung9724]

Shits fake

[@TomorrowNobody]

@@alexjung9724 I wouldn't be so sure

[@Stefan-ih9kd]

It’s basically the Glass Cannon all Ice types dream to be

[@toooydoeur]

Nah I wouldnt trust it

[@jayplay8869]

Flying fake out into banded eq… let’s hope it doesn’t get helping hand.

[@eeveetheeverything6652]

because of Virizion's past as a protector pokemon what if it's like the remain of its past body after dying or something with the rest of the swords of justice and now lives on as an AI or Hologram and is instead grass/ghost

[@johnsober]

I thought of geaa/ghost too but because all tress and whatnot died. I do love the idea of a protective AI paying homage to virizion. But that could because I love horizon zero Dawn

[@jamesh7469]

All I want for christmas is a primal Luxray. Turn my man into a true sabertooth tiger, give him some real stats and set him loose to go hunt great tusk Donphan. Ice/dark/fighting/electric, some combination of those. Strong jaw or sheer force or something useful, with enough speed to actually be a threat 🙏🏼

[@oppositeofitself8444]

Electric/Dark with Strong Jaw Crunch would be hype

[@xlazydogx3123]

The stats on The paradox Pokémon are crazy lol. I’m so hyped for this gen.

[@Last_Respecter]

Hope they have heat abilities. The data mine shows them all having the same ability, hopefully it’s of that bland

[@geezluis3756]

The leaks are real

[@arijit3110]

Bisharp evolves with black sludge. Goes straight to AG.

[@keeratsingh8590]

LMAO Black suldge from the video. .

[@Howl_3DN]

That fairy/fight gallade is gonna be crazy. I hope they add steel spikes as another hazard. It was exclusive to gmax raj, which means it was never gonna be relevant but fairies have had it too good

[@Nicole-wt3wr]

Btw paradox jiggly has 99 def ,115 hp,100 spe.def ,111 speed, fairy psychic that is a new wall pokemon if i ever saw one

[@johnsober]

I really hope keldeo, terrakion, and cobalion all get future forms, and entei and raikou get past forms too. That or have them mixed between the two. Tarrakion already looks oonga bunga as hell and cobalion already looks futuristic, so having them swap aesthetics would be pretty cool.

[@redwarrior118]

Future Keldeo finally figures out how to beat Toxapex

[@zach8280]

THE DON IS REAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLL

[@abhishekverma8303]

many people are saying this

[@rohanshankar6083]

They're the most insane unseen incredible offensive typings in the history of pokemon. Fairy/fighting gallade? Ground/Fighting donphan? Fighting/electric hariyama? Wild

[@MrOofio64]

I like how fighting is just the goated offensive typing.

[@GoldGuard]

Polterheist would be a dope name for a Gimmighoul evolution

[@countdeku646]

Poltersheist

[@iamcinna]

rip...

[@999lijpo999]

As someone who's favorite hazzard control mon was donphan, I am so exited about this reveal. especially because he was gone in gen 8.

[@son_of_dusk]

Y'all gotta check the leaked stat/type chart for the paradox Pokemon and the starters. Misdreavous is an insane special revenge killer and if it gets nasty plot, it's actually a wrap since ghost/fairy is busted neutral coverage. Hariyama under TR looks crazy too, fight/elec is nuts and it has bulk for days. For some reason Hydreigon, Mence, and Ttar (which look kinda ass ngl) are all lower BST than their normal counterparts but if Mence gets DDance it's over with the stat distribution it has. Other than that the designs all look pretty damn cool.

[@son_of_dusk]

@Giwrgos Petrou Paradox mence is actually stronger and faster than it's normal form and it's bst is only 10 less. It has way less spatk but has like 119 speed and 139 atk. Higher BST doesn't mean everything, Naganadel has been considered broken forever despite being the lowest bst ultra beast. Garchomp + all the sinnoh legendary dragons STILL don't have DD lmao. It's definitely not set in stone for any dragon to automatically get it. At the end of the day we don't know anything about the movesets. Don't get me wrong, it most likely will have DD, but there's always that chance it won't too and that will massively affect its viability

[@son_of_dusk]

It's all good. In terms of base stats, regular mence has 135 atk (405 when maxed) and 100 speed (328 maxed) vs paradox mence having 139 atk (414 maxed) and 119 speed (370 maxed). Not a huge difference in atk but the speed is a huge increase. Keep in mind the "maxed out" stats include a positive nature for that stat, so in practice if you're maxed out speed with a positive speed nature, attack will be lower than what I put as "maxed". That's why people usually compare base stats vs maxed out stats.

[@Phoenix-sh8vg]

The Hariyama troll is confirmed, shit is lowkey nice with the stats and elec/fighting

[@glacierwolf2155]

Damn, Wolfe Glick was onto something with the Hariyama-Paldea joke.

[@MatthesKy]

154 hp with 108 def is nasty, if this mon can hold an AV watchout

[@twobadour]

PLEASE give Hariyama (and the paradox Hariyama) Drain Punch, would be so nasty

[@mr.sandman7339]

My takeaways: 25:49 "Triple Volc, Triple Spinner" is about to be a great Heatah Fajita type team I'm imagining Hydreigon having one main head and 2 or more floating heads like Probopass' mini noses or G-max Corv's feather drones Oongaboongus sounds fire All these fighting types. Whether its in the past or the future, we're throwing hands

[@ichi6734]

We need a follow-up vid, too many leaks released yesterday that adds up to this vid.

[@Thunderblunder777]

Follow up coming soon

[@Crankulite]

SPOILERS According to leaks ciculating 4chan The types are. Amogus: grass/dark Jiggly: fairy/psy Hariyama: fight/elec Magneton: ground/elec T-Tar: rock/elec Suicune: unconfirmed/fake Verizon: unconfirmed/fake All of these mons have the same ability. Scarlet mons get: Protosynthesis Violet mons get: Quark Drive Both abilities have unkown effects at the moment. The leak you have might be wrong but iron tusk don was leaked as ground/steel. All bst average at slightly less then 600 and the pseudo legend bst actually decreased. All of the violet mons are robots and all of the scalet mons are primal looking Starters. Sprigatito line: Floragato-->Meowscarada (Humanoid cat design furries will love it) Grass/Dark HA Protean 530 bst 76/110/70/81/70/123 Fuecoco line: Crocalor-->Skeledirge (Lizard/croc bone design) Ghost/Fire HA Unaware 530 bst 104/75/100/110/75/65 Quaxly line: Quaxwell-->Quaqaval (Humanoid pirate design) Water/Fight HA Moxie 530 bst 85/120/80/85/75/85 Take all this will a grain of salt. Some if not all info could be wrong. Also Misdreivus finna be broken 55/55/55/135/135/135 If violet volc gets quiver dance it finna be banned 80/70/60/140/110/110 Even if scarlet volc gets victory dance it finna still be ass 85/135/79/85/105/81

[@Crankulite]

@Giwrgos Petrou 405

[@Crankulite]

@Giwrgos Petrou its speed is also 405

[@delta5287]

Suicune and Virizion are supposedly going to be in the dlc not the base game.

[@hardworkingslacker7233]

Honestly, I don't think they will ban terastalizing. It's gonna be strong, sure, but not like a Dynamax-Gyarados sweeping everything with Max Airstream + Moxie. But who knows, after all, Protean gets banned more rather than less.

[@acc3209]

They really gave us mega donphan

[@ogabrielsabadin]

2 of them

[@Slaking_]

Excited to see Agent Elon Tusk live feature

[@Silver19897]

Little did they know when they talked about Hariyama, we were getting an Electric/Fighting and it’s getting an insane move. It’d be funny to see a Fighting/Electric Hariyama get it too, and it gets defibrillator hands to use it with.

[@coolcebolla]

They hit Great Tusk with the Mafuba and sealed him away in Iron Treads

[@OlGibby]

I've been looking at some of the paradox mons and while we aren't sure yet of what the abilities "Quark Drive" or "Protosynthesis" do some of them seem very good if there leaked stats hold up. Assuming they can use items Future Hariyama is an Elec/Fighting mon who has more hp, speed and attack than Melmetal and has barely lower defenses. He'll be an Assault Vest demon especially since Hariyama also has access to knock off. Ground/Fighting Donphan is also very good. It has the same speed as hitmonlee meaning after one rapid spin and max speed jolly it hits 450 speed with over 370 attack (I think it was 379 attack with 252 invest and jolly). He honestly reminds me of a bulkier, harder hitting Excadrill with stab fighting moves. It also appears the Future Gallade/Gardevoir thing and the Dark Mence have the highest BST of all these mons with a respectable 590. From what i've checked on them and did the math for it seems like the majority of them while cool are kinda lacking. Hopefully they get exclusive moves for each of them, can use items and there new abilities are similar to beast boost or useful in general.

[@ovojdabanks210]

right after the stats leaked damn

[@cursezero1125]

18:30, Lol they just jinxed it

[@NigerianSeafood]

My boy Gallade with the typing buff AND the alleged stat buff for the paradox forms?? You love to see it, I sense the rise of a powerful new agent.

[@Nicole-wt3wr]

Hariyama is electric fighthing whit stats that look like ursaluna a little big more spe.def and speed lets hp i think its like 115 hp

[@Ragnell123]

Oh no. Hariyama forms? I owe Wolfey an apology…

[@Kidusrox]

we're gonna need that part 2 with the new stats n stuff...

[@spcrashworks]

Great vid to watch in the morning.

[@troyeason8238]

Elon Tusks going to be crazy

[@JordanGoretology]

My prediction for Tyrannitar and Hydrogen ae they re gonna be steel type, because of Mecha Godzilla and Mecha King Ghidorah.

[@Mrdonjuliothewicked]

I was gonna say it makes sense the ancient forms have unevolved Pokémon since their evolutions were in later generations, Misdreavus and Magneton, but still not sure as to why it’s a Jigglypuff and what made it not be able to be it’s final form.

[@Joey_Emcee.Hughey]

I saw someone say, that like the way they name these paradox forms, is similar to Big Foot. Almost describing it as a legend and describing them. Idk made sense to me. Can't explain it well😅

[@richietruong786]

Oonga Booga Great Tusk is a crazy sentence I never thought I'd hear CTC say

[@Zaderos]

Appearently those are the actual name of the mons. All paradox mons have these wacky names. I'm thinking people will just start calling them like ancient-donphan, future-donphan, ancient-haryama, future-haryama, etc...

[@eli5168]

Ctc said we rolling up to future donphan in a Tesla I’m so fucking weak

[@mr.lucien2876]

Looks like the Psuedos lost BST. The highest BST of any paradox Mon seems to be 590.

[@stardust9329]

The legends are also bst... Just 670...

[@ICanDivideByZer0]

They lost a little BST but the distribution is still really good (e.g. Ttar just lost special attack that it doesn’t necessarily need and a little special defense, but it actually got faster), so they’re not necessarily worse

[@thefinalskarm1754]

@@stardust9329 no item zamazenta and zacian are 670

[@Jayster2340]

These need a episode special with jamvad the two donphans and the paradox forms ladder to the top with jamvad

[@ashwinnair3645]

I'm thinking Tyranitar is more likely going to be Dark/Steel since Dark is considered the "Evil" type and Mecha Godzilla is the evil version of Godzilla. EDIT: If the choice is between Rock/Steel and Dark/Steel, that is. I'm not saying Dark/Steel is the most likely out of the 324 type combinations out there.

[@Androomeda]

Rock/Electric

[@mattpet7913]

Nah

[@psychokineticism]

"there's no grass in the future" is funnier to me than it should be

[@jamescartland2544]

It’s gonna be a fucking mecha Godzilla for tyranitar

[@Jayster2340]

Look up chompy that is where I saw the images stats and new abilities screen shot. Blunder you and the boys can find the images for past few days find the paradox forms images, the new evolution for wooper, the new mons, starter evolution, the stats of the starters and paradox forms, and new abilities.

[@dumpling1960]

Rare Agency upload hours Gen 9 is truly blessing us 🙏🙏🙏

[@NxLevelMapler]

I think not having a paradox feraligator or krookidile & paradox sharpedo is a missed opportunity because cuz those types if animals have been around for forever irl

[@selearth3123]

every guy on the ladder is gonna run that demonic eviolite bisharp and i'm not looking forward to that shit

[@jtizzle124]

I’ll still be running black sludge

[@cqnrad]

one of the volcs is a physical attacker, i'm willing to bet that shit is getting victory dance and getting banned to ubers

[@jtizzle124]

Quadruple ubers

[@delein1696]

Stats for the Paradox Mons seem to be out on Reddit

[@alexjung9724]

Shits fake

[@delein1696]

If those are legit, delibird and co are going to see much more viability even in OU

[@toooydoeur]

They're fake

[@toooydoeur]

@i cant think of a name been confirmed apparently, also they're been 3 different stat leaks so best not to take it as fact until we 100% know

[@laterferaligatr2947]

Rick and Morty was the show Joey was thinking of

[@Mario-gy4jy]

they already leaked the stats abilities and typing of the paradox mons and starters

[@alexjung9724]

Nah shits fake

[@toooydoeur]

Its fake

[@spekloop4952]

Only confirmed fake was the OG starter stats and abilities where Fuecoco final evo had 150 HP. The others are supposed to be real until proven otherwise

[@Junkchan362]

I can't believe they didn't talk about the biggest leak yet, Clodsire

[@donlyphans7801]

Donly Phans stock just went up

[@michaelroberts5191]

Joe was talking about Rick and Morty

[@irra8994]

Iron Treads video should be called “Elon Tusk Runs Over OU”

[@austinrobinson8130]

1:35 that’s literally what kleavor is

[@shungitesalesman3436]

rick and morty mr pokeaim 5:40

[@jonk9407]

Snake Mence with Coil and it looks like a basilisk

[@MaahirMomtaz12]

Well now we got the datamined typings, stats and abilities

[@alexjung9724]

Shits fake

[@wophful]

it’s wild that everyone’s bst goes up except for Ttar, Mence, and Hydreigon. Everyone went up to 570 they dropped from 600 to 570.

[@spekloop4952]

True but they also wayyy more minmaxed generally, save for Hydreigon who still has crazy stats, just traded some SpA for fantastic Speed

[@Mrdonjuliothewicked]

Mostly cause there’s two psuedos for the future forms, it makes it even, everyone is 570 apparently except for one on each side is 590, according to leaks at least but it wasn’t confirmed as far as I know.

[@itsukizy]

mence is 590 and it has 119 speed 139 atk

[@itzskyfallgaming7543]

The future of OU is Paradox and Ultra Beast mons + Clefable lmaoo

[@utopia999]

I stayed up all night for this video

[@danielwynn9736]

Wouldn't mind t-tar dark steel. But changing dark to a future form... Rock poison?

[@TonyPizza69]

Pretty sure they are all base 570 at least meaning base 570 jigglypuff. There’s a video on BLAINES channel going over all the types and stats

[@Nicole-wt3wr]

The dark salamance is going to cook some people xD

[@Nicole-wt3wr]

@Giwrgos Petrou already been leaked sick af ,amazing stats salamance whit 139 attack 119 speed it is goood

[@Nicole-wt3wr]

@Giwrgos Petrou i think it has chances stats are pretty good 4× weak to fairy is bad but doesnt make a mon instantly bad

[@Nicole-wt3wr]

@Giwrgos Petrou have no idea but its almost the same speed of greninja and its stronger than garchomp

[@UmbyWumby]

Imagine future volc gets levitate

[@MeatOfJustice]

Well... . . . . . . . . . . . . All paradox Pokémon only get an exclusive ability, depending on the game they're on.

[@thekingbradable]

SPOILERS All past and future mons get the same ability, respectively.

[@liamdalysmith3407]

Fire poison volc is looking demonic

[@maxichristl3187]

If the future Volcarona is getting Quiver Dance despite not being a bug type it is all over

[@yoyovvitch]

This is super behind on the leaks we actually have stats for paradox and starters now

[@lancenaquin8911]

Some primal ass water ground suicune would go insane

[@boscole19]

These leaks go crazy

[@mister_chewy]

bro the Mence. I won when i backed Scarlet back in the early stages

[@icxcarnie]

The stat list was dropped u gotta make a new video

[@ChaplainSophie]

Tar feels like its gonna get a dragon typing. Idk if it'll be rock dragon or dark dragon but it just feels dragon-y to me, especially if they lean into the godzilla/kaiju vibe

[@Last_Respecter]

Ttar typing and all these other paradox Mons’ typing and bst already leaked

[@jamesllyod944]

I figured it would be steel because of Mecha Godzilla.

[@ChaplainSophie]

@@Last_Respecter yea lol i had seen the following video like 20 minutes after i left this comment

[@Jayster2340]

By the way blunder joey ctc and emvee or anyone have you seen the leaked images for the evolution of the starters, the paradox forms, the other mons, Stats and abilities. It is wild lol.

[@Jayster2340]

@Giwrgos Petrou the ability and stats are great but tbh I really wish that starter stayed as a quadraped instead of bipedal.

[@XXRetrogamesXX]

double hydreigon core

[@overkia5958]

In case you want to see them the leaks are on Twitter

[@dominiclombardi]

Bummer you dropped this after the stats for all the paradox mons leaked

[@bamikaasinjeneus]

We need a primal copperajah called dangerous nose

[@jtizzle124]

👃👃👃

[@ragingstorm_]

no stats vid ?

[@terrorgrTHEREAL1]

it feels bad the gang not talking about stats yet and realize how strong is delibird

[@michaelkhan2168]

Boys stats for starters legends and paradox on pokeleak unaware 66 speed 110 spa on fuecoco what you think?

[@LeykRoss]

Sad this vid was recorded before we got real typings and stats

[@SantosOverlord]

that mence is CRAZY!!!!! if it gets DD its an Uber

[@LuisTheSaint]

it doesn’t make since for there to be a pre suicune since the lore it’s it being revived by ho oh

[@delta5287]

Yes ho-oh transformed it when it revived suicune but remember past and future species of animals can be completely different from the current form.

[@brett1908]

McMegneton going to be fire

[@glacierwolf2155]

Elon Tusk showing off his company, Tuskla.

[@lankyaf2868]

this vid was entertaining asf

[@troyeason8238]

Can't they do a complex ban for terralstilazation if it ends up being broken? Like you have to tell your opponent what your tera type is for each mon?

[@howlhades0001]

I am not experienced in Smogon politics but I don't think that would be a smart move. I'm pretty sure many people hate complex bans and telling them your terra type kind of feels a little off

[@troyeason8238]

@@howlhades0001 makes sense but I just don't want to go another gen without using the new gimmick

[@newjumpcityjosh9333]

@@troyeason8238 you wanted to use gigantamax??

[@troyeason8238]

@@newjumpcityjosh9333 in some capacity yes

[@doc_1203]

agency upload for gen 9 is sick but u gotta check up ur shows bruh elon tusk is rick and morty

[@_Rhatsody]

blunder guessing hariyamas typing correctly is funny

[@gigalodon14]

If the leaked stats are true, Delibird and Misdreavous are quickbanned after 2 hours

[@MrOofio64]

Bro jigglypuff is insane. A wall that has SPEED is terrifying.

[@gigalodon14]

@@MrOofio64 depends on whether it gets recovery For those two even the STABs alone will be terrifying

[@shadowsenpai2395]

Having played temtem recently all I can see is digital and crystal types

[@honjon666]

Who needs great tusk or iron treads when you got Dangerous Nose 👃

[@pabloarammasmanian5391]

Th3Agency Provide

[@HaraldHD]

CTC is so funny in this vid🤣🤣🤣 gotta get that man a rase😤👌

[@chromethug]

if only yall waited a few hours

[@Thunderblunder777]

Nah it was recorded yday unfortunately, but I’ll post a follow up later this week when more info is revealed

[@chromethug]

@@Thunderblunder777 thank you 🙏🏿 i could listen to leak discussions all day

[@lasagnapig630]

THE DON IS BACK BABY

[@MoveSmooveEvo]

Can’t wait to sweep with delibird, it’s a monster