New E Cells Dual Star E Bike! Part 2

[@rayduke7433]

“Wasn’t walk mode but more like trot mode”, you made me laugh out loud. Thanks for a great review!

[@daveyJ213]

You are most welcome! Glad you enjoyed the video.

[@SirWrecksy]

Hey guy, just bumped into your channel I got this bike coming in September. The exact one you're riding every detail. I love your accessories. I'm going to order some of them After about a year of research and comparing this bike against the other one, I'm glad I chose this one Also to whiny moms out there saying this goes too fast. It's called personal responsibility, being safe, courteous and conservative when people are around when they're not go balls to the wall I haven't got in one accident. I ride in traffic and on the bike path Seven Juiced bikes and over 40,000 miles since 2018 I know a thing or two about ebikes

[@daveyJ213]

You will love this bike. It is totally fun to ride. 40,000 miles? Yeah, I'd say you know a thing or two. Keep us posted. Thanks.

[@johnnyutah7080]

Good job wrecksy- I've done around 5800 mi a year since '21. Year round riding in desert. Getting a step star soon

[@SirWrecksy]

@@johnnyutah7080 Excellent! Yeah I rode my first e-bike in Japan where they actually ride on the sidewalks. That was 2018. Coming home I researched the best bikes and Juiced was ahead of everyone at the time I wound up buying seven over time I'm 62 now and ride 50 to 60 miles per day. Never throttle pedaling lost 68 lb. My legs are like rocks. Cracks me up when people on the bike path call me cheater I would never go back to a regular bike. So boring, and my doctor says my cardio is off the charts. Keep riding my friend and stay safe

[@1DumbSquirrel]

Hey friend have you received your ECells ebike yet? I ordered the 5 star with torque sensor and upgraded rear suspension. I hope to get it soon

[@SirWrecksy]

@@1DumbSquirrel No, unfortunately it hasn't come yet. I called them about 10 days ago. They got a shipment in but mine wasn't on it. They said I could have one they have in stock but it didn't have a torque sensor and torque sensors are everything for actual riding Getting kinda itchy. Can't wait! Safe travels!

[@snowking55]

Great video Dave! I think we're all learning how our bikes preform, so it's nice to hear your settings and how they work for you. Beautiful area you live in.

[@daveyJ213]

Thank you.

[@ZX10R203]

Just got my 5 star today. Thank you for the C3 setting recommendation. Had a couple sketchy take offs.

[@daveyJ213]

Wow! You are most welcome. So glad the information of useful. Since I've been practicing I've come up with an entire "system" for making sure my take-offs are smooth and uneventful. You'll come up with your own I'm sure. Just go slow. Good luck and have fun. Happy riding.

[@onenikkione]

That was fun. I can tell you really enjoy it, I learned a lot.

[@arch572006]

Great video, thanks for sharing.👍

[@daveyJ213]

You are most welcome. Glad it proved useful.

[@stevesteve9719]

Hey , thanks for the video. I'll check out part 1 to. I'm waiting on my 5 star dual with a torque sensor. I really appreciate seeing your success with the torque sensor and appreciate your explanation of technique. Beautiful area!

[@daveyJ213]

Hey. Thanks for chiming in. Glad you found the video useful.

[@damonjenkins3798]

Nice Job! I love your style! Thanks for the update!

[@daveyJ213]

Thank you very much.

[@vikki92411]

Wow it’s beautiful there!

[@daveyJ213]

Pacific Northwest! When we moved up here 9 years ago I couldn't believe so many trees existed together in one place. Amazing!

[@vikki92411]

@@daveyJ213 I absolutely agree. It’s so beautiful

[@darinsmith2458]

Great video... I love the rims and the rest of the bike..

[@NicksGarage]

Thanks for taking us along with you, David. It would be interesting to hear how many watts the bike was using along the various points of your ride. ⚡

[@daveyJ213]

Dang. Yes that would be have been good to mention. I did look down a various points on the ride. The wattage output for the most part was somewhere between 400 and 500 watts. In PAS level 2, maybe around 600 to 700. PAS lever 3, close to 1000 on the hills.

[@jeffmorris2731]

Great job, Dave! I should be getting my dual star soon, and this was really helpful for me!

[@daveyJ213]

I'm glad the video was useful.

[@briandineen7857]

Good stuff Dave. Always love your videos

[@jefforado2185]

Well done, informative video!

[@daveyJ213]

Thank you, Jeff. Much appreciated.

[@TrumpWinsChristmas]

Good video I learned some things from it never throttle into a turn on gravel👍 I want to pretty much get the same bike only step through, I’ve got bad knees, bad foot bad back and it would just be a lot easier for me, my last bike it was just too hard to throw my leg over it. One of the reasons I sold it, and because I want a bike with more power like e-cells has.

[@daveyJ213]

It's a great bike. However, it takes some getting use to. My wife and I have been riding recumbent tricycles for years; they are totally comfortable. So after riding the E-Cells monster, I've noticed some soreness in my back and knees. Having the power is fantastic, but still have to be aware of the grade I'm on and the gear I'm in, etc. Not to mention the weight of 110 lbs. I try to be careful, I don't want to crash or fall with all of that weight on top of me. If you're not 100% sold you might want to look into a recumbent. There is no stress on any body parts. We have AZUB machines; they're incredible. Anyway, take care brother. Let me know what you decide to do. Thanks for reaching out.

[@matthewmorin4926]

I think you did a fantastic job. Great video! Thank you.

[@pnoon43]

Hey Guy i like your bag - if i didn`t have one from wally mart i would buy the one you have. I like my Himiway but after 3.5 years and 1000 miles i had to replace the battery but the new one is sweet. I lile your bike setup and your very knowledgable about your bike and equipment thanks !

[@daveyJ213]

You are most welcome; glad the video was helpful. You say you had to replace your battery? Can you guess the number of recharging cycles you went through with that battery? 1000 miles seems a bit soon for battery replacement, but I'm not sure. I do have 950 miles on the battery of my first recumbent, but it's still going strong, holding a charge well, etc. Thank you for your comment. Take care.

[@Harsesis1]

Nice, upgrades. I got the same chainstay for when my bike arrives. I think im gonna set the C5 to 2 to be safe. You did a good job with the video.

[@daveyJ213]

Good choice; it fits perfectly.

[@Merceralex77]

Great bike, hope you enjoy it

[@vikki92411]

Nice informative video. Thanks 😊

[@daveyJ213]

Thanks! You thinking about acquiring the 5 Star?

[@Tempest4Teapot]

⁠Hello Dave, I watched your video several times because it’s helping me to note what I may need to consider should I decide to place an order for the powerful 5-Star. 🚴 💨 So thanks for making the video and for sharing your thoughts…it’s very helpful information.

[@daveyJ213]

I am very happy you found the video useful. Thanks for reaching out.

[@sw0951]

Hey David, great video, I've been considering buying my first E bike, thank you for all the information.

[@daveyJ213]

You are very welcome. I'm happy the video proved useful.

[@davidanderson6222]

As a fellow Dave myself and a avid e-bike enthusiast, wassup! Good vid

[@daveyJ213]

Big D! Wassup? The price of bread and milk. Otherwise, doing fine. Great to meet you; what machine do you ride?

[@davidanderson6222]

@@daveyJ213 lol. I started with a bafang mid drive kit then graduated to my own build. 72v 40ah 3000w hub on a 29” frame that I welded a rear shock too. I built it fast to hang but added a 60t crank to avoid ghost peddling My dream build, and having a blast. Hope I see you on the road. btw, love my tv too! Lol

[@daveyJ213]

@@davidanderson6222 40ah and 3000w? Is there a vid we can watch about your 72V monster? I'd be interested in seeing that. Dang! Sounds as if you need an actual motorcycle helmet.

[@josephking7021]

Great job David. I’m in the Market this year for an e-bike and right now with your help and tips I’m pretty sure I’m going to get the eCell 5 star. Everyone seems to love it and it has the power for you to get your jollies once in awhile. Thanks for taking the time to record it all. You live in a beautiful area. May I ask where in the USA you reside? Thanks Joe. PS Be safe in your rides.

[@daveyJ213]

Glad you enjoyed the video, Joe. We are up in Port Angeles, WA, right across the strait from Canada. Very nice up here; summers are awesome, and the winters are very doable. Take care.

[@freightdawg6762]

great vid

[@WaltPrimer]

Great video, Dave, hope you’re mending so you can go riding again.

[@fabianfailla9121]

Great job! Thank you!

[@daveyJ213]

You are very welcome.

[@WilliamBennerJr]

I purchased the ECells Step Star, but it was not delivered as ordered, and after numerous emails and phone calls, things are still not resolved. Their website claims "unparalleled customer service", but it hasn't been unparalleled in a good way...

[@daveyJ213]

Hmm... thanks for the information. Actually, I'm very surprised the Ecells team hasn't made things correct. David Cleveland, the owner, makes such a stink about his customer service and quality of his product, that he literally kicked me off of the Ecells Facebook page for asking a question about the bike which he took the wrong way. God forbid it inadvertently gets implied that his customer service and product quality is not up to snuff. I'd stay on their case until they make it right. Are you within driving distance to Pahrump, NV? I'd be pulling into the headquarters driveway and stay until the problem gets resolved. Good luck; thanks for letting us know what's going on.

[@WilliamBennerJr]

@@daveyJ213 So far nothing. I also discovered they have an F rating on Better Business Bureau.

[@BiKEnBiTES]

My bike did get away from me while walking without walk assist! It crash I almost got hit. Had someone been on the Path It could have hurt them badly. I'm glad you pointed this out!!!🎉

[@daveyJ213]

Yikes! I'm glad you are okay. I know I've heard somewhere that you can dial down the walk-assist speed. I'll see if I can find that information and post it. Take care.

[@Winkster-]

Ordered the 5 Star with a torque sensor. This will be my first e-bike. I opted for the torque sensor because everything I’ve read says it gives you a more “natural feel“. David seems to be doing OK with his torque sensor, so hoping that Ecells and KT have worked out the bugs

[@daveyJ213]

I really like it. Just keep in mind you MUST apply pedal pressure to get any assistance from the motor. That's why some people prefer cadence sensors. Even with the powerful motor, after a 25-mile ride you will feel some burn in your legs. Feels great to me; I love it.

[@richh650]

Excellent discussion before riding as most reviewers don't break things down like this. That bike is a tall rascal though... lol Well done!

[@daveyJ213]

Yeah, it's tall. Weird being up that high after riding a recumbent where your butt is 15" off the ground.

[@Tempest4Teapot]

Dave, I recall you saying that your height is 5’11” with a 32” inseam and you 26” tires…but I don’t recall what frame size your 5-Star is. Is that a 17” or 19” frame? Thanks for making the video and for sharing your thoughts as a new owner of the E-Cells 5-Star e-bike. 🚴💨

[@daveyJ213]

@@Tempest4Teapot Sorry! The frame size on my bike is 17". I thought about getting the 19" frame, but happy I did not.

[@jeffreyneltner1]

Nice job

[@daveyJ213]

Thank you, Sir.

[@WestgankProductions]

YOU will feel 100 percent better with a dropper post and safer!!

[@LarrysViews]

Good video David 👍

[@daveyJ213]

Thank you. It was fun to make.

[@informedcitizen8687]

Awesome review, I like all the extras on your bike too. You helped me make my decision on what bike to order. Ive been on the fence between this and the Wired Freedom.

[@daveyJ213]

WIRED FREEDOM is a great bike also, especially now that they have a fully suspended step-through version. Make sure you study thoroughly however, I've heard that their bikes have some issues with a "death wobble" in the frames at higher speeds. I think the suspension components might be less robust than the ones found on the E-Cells machines. I cannot be sure of this, because I have never owned or ridden a WIRED bicycle. I did find one KZbinr who had bolted on a small shock absorber/stabilier onto the frame of his WIRED FREEDOM, then attached the other end to his handle bars. Problem with that guy is that he had electronically altered the components on his bike and was now blasting down the highway at 55 mph! That is something I would never do. Good luck! Keep me posted on what you decide.

[@informedcitizen8687]

@daveyJ213 I actually ordered the same model as you, only I went with the black frame. You are close to my height, but I'm heavier than you, so I think build quality will handle my size better than the Wired Freedom. The frame wobble was a concern of mine, so that was the determining factor along with the two year warranty on the motor and battery that steered me toward the E Cell . Thanks again for the review and stay safe on the road.

[@daveyJ213]

@@informedcitizen8687 Will do. Thanks.

[@TrumpWinsChristmas]

Another cool video i’m hoping to get the dual step Star with my last e-bike. It was too hard for me to get on and off, got bad knees, plus I had surgery on my back and I’m almost 70😮

[@rickeyalexander6719]

Going up a hill on paddle and fifth, what is the best paddle to be going up a hill?

[@daveyJ213]

You got me.

[@rickeyalexander6719]

OK, maybe I didn’t say it correctly if I’m writing up a 45° hill what straddle should I have it in from one to seven and will that help me get up the hill?

[@daveyJ213]

@@rickeyalexander6719 I'm sorry; must be my poor command of the language. If I am on a hill that steep, then I am in 2nd gear (maybe even 1st) on PAS 4.

[@harrymiram6621]

Might I suggest, when nixing water bottle, have tried 72oz hydration pack? Personally, prefer 120db horn/alarm instead of bell. For night rides, I use Noxgear Tracer2 LED light vest

[@daveyJ213]

Thank you for the suggestions. You might be right about the horn over the bell; especially when riding with city traffic. Might not be a bad idea to have the bell for the trails and the horn for traffic situations. I don't usually ride at night in my area, but the idea has crossed my mind, and so far water bottles are carried in my trunk bag. I'm going to research your suggestions. Much appreciated.

[@bellyacres7846]

great video tutorial! yeah I see it is a Powerful & well built ebike and as such a person needs to be cautious & learn to use it right [safely] I do like the 5 star and wanted one, But I remind myself the step thru [for me] is best my 1st ebike is a step over & I ride it just fine [for the first few hours] then I notice I get a bit stiff & the dismounts not so ez as it was when I was younger. And the same for the remount, But I did it, just slower :) later I won a step thru & my thought is my wife will like this! she got on it and said its too big for her [it looked good to me, but she is used to smaller rigs] Illl get her a leetle 20" clown car looking ebike - lol I tried the ST & Wow I like it(?) me on a "gurls" bike. its an ez on n off & a fine comfy ride. So it has become my #1 ebike. My plan is to get a step star after I see a few. the step star continues to impress me& ID like 1, But I keep reminding myself that Im 63 & not as young as I once was. the power of those ebikes wont be much of an issue as I live in North Idaho. [not likely to be regulation this far North] I live in the woods, So shouldnt be any legal issues. thanks to your instruction I know Ill be fine as I like to go low n slow as I see your going. Thanks for your sharing! Ive a channel too and do a little vid sharing, my vid skills arent the best either. [yours are Much better] I tried the phone holder as you did & lol shaky it is. ;)

[@daveyJ213]

I don't think I will let my wife any where near this bike. She is sticking to her recumbent trike. The Step Star would be much easier to mount and dismount, and you the same quality and power.

[@jacobortwine7063]

How's the bike still treating you??

[@ADadSupreme]

You could just lean and lower the bike towards you while holding the handlebars, and then swing your right leg over the back wheel/basket as well. I remember as a kid I used to mount bikes that way for my older cousin's 10 speed. That would be if there's 0 curbs like where you're riding your bike in this video (dirt roads).

[@BiKEnBiTES]

No because he turned on electric he could accidentally throttle and get thrown. It's not a regular bike. That's the problem with people they can't treat Ebike like a regular bike

[@ADadSupreme]

@@BiKEnBiTES Oh noes.. not 2024 'safety' advice. All we are missing now is the legislation to make sure he NEVER does this lol. He could just NOT 'accidentally' throttle too. He's a grown up, extremely knowledgable experienced rider as his videos attest, lol.. He' knows which are the dangerous bits on a bike and which ones he can generally ignore. Most adults do so this advice is more for small children I'd imagine. Leaning an ebike to get on easier is fine.

[@BiKEnBiTES]

@@ADadSupreme no it happens if you stumble or almost fall. Alot of people riding Ebike have mobility issues

[@ADadSupreme]

@@BiKEnBiTES I just presented an alternative mounting option. This shouldn't be this reply-worthy. Adults are/should be wise enough in 2024, or anyone riding any bike/vehicle, should examine whether it's right for them rather than just a blanket "no, don't do this" unless it's inherently dangerous. I added it since the gentleman obviously settled on what works for him as do we all, so perhaps didn't consider leaning. Others may not be able to use anything at all in a perfectly-flat terrain and leaning could work.

[@anthonydanna4786]

Great review, In any pedal assist, how hard do have to pedal to reach max output with torque sensor?

[@daveyJ213]

Still working that out. I do remember standing and stomping on the pedals during one ride just to see if there was a response from the torque sensor. I do not remember there being one. Maybe its response is limited to the PAS level you are in. I'll have to do more experimenting and get back to you.

[@jameslesterphillipsi]

Love you too, man

[@CeboAquatics]

hey David. how do you like that torque censor vs the cadence?

[@daveyJ213]

I love it. It gives me complete control over power output. Once I set the PAS level, then I simply control power output by how hard I press on the pedals. I can easily get over 100 miles on a single charge. It is awesome.

[@Winkster-]

I second that. However, this is my first E bike, and I don’t have any experience with a cadence sensor. But I feel like I have good control with the torque sensor.

[@mikebordeaux8218]

Try a Bluewind seat, all day comfort. Can you clamp the basket to the forks?

[@daveyJ213]

No, basket will not clamp onto the forks. At least not in any fashion that I can see.

[@donolinger6904]

​@@daveyJ213 - Did they even send you a basket? I heard that they were free for awhile.

[@daveyJ213]

@@donolinger6904 Yes, they sent a basket, because it was included free with my original order. It's just that I can't use it because of the dual-crown forks and big headlight.

[@hrhkenneth428]

nice video, thank you

[@petetoemmes6673]

Nice review - Parts 1 and 2. A little late discovering then. Can you adjust the magnitude of the assist for each PAS level with the torque sensor? And, if so, comment or show your PAS level settings? On a cadence sensor the magnitude adjustment is usually speed based - or more advanced percent of standard rated motor power (often called power or current based as opposed to speed based.

[@daveyJ213]

Hey! I have not seen anywhere inside the set up screens where you can set the actual percentage of assist for each level. That is true for some systems, but I'm not aware of it on the Dual Star. I believe it's just 20% per level, up to 100% on level 5. THowever, the C4 and C5 settings most directly control power output. C4 controls how much power is delivered from the throttle. 0 = full power; you have options of 1, 2, or 3. I keep my C4 setting on 2. Thus I will never get 100% of available power from each level when I twist the throttle. It's safer for me, as this prevents inadvertent wheelies off the line. C5 controls the rate of power "ramped up" (power over time) the motor receives when you turn the cranks. You have values of 1 through 10. I keep mine at 6. Again, I don't want my bike shooting out from under me when I'm not ready. Even at these settings I can get my front wheel off the ground if I crank the throttle and stomp the pedals from a dead stop. Amazing for a bike that weighs 108 pounds with a 190 pound rider on board. On level ground I can easily attain speeds of 35 mph. My bike is not fully "unlocked". However, in any scenario, the amount of assist you get on each level setting is directly controlled by how much pressure you apply to the pedals. That's what I love about a torque sensor. So even though you might be in level 1 for instance, you will not get all of the potential power from that level if you are not applying enough pressure to the pedals. When going down hill in level 5 at 30 mph, you will get very little or no assist by turning the pedals. Gravity is doing the work. You would have to crank the pedals very rapidly and with power to get any assist in that scenario. The large 52-tooth crank up front helps. Also, I've noticed also when using the throttle on the handle bar, the pedals are taken out of the equation. That knowledge came by riding and experimenting. When you twist the throttle the pedals are electronically disabled from delivering power. When the throttle is released, the pedals kick back in. Interesting! So, the throttle will deliver 100% of what ever power level you are in, while you get only mechanical assistance from your leg muscles on the pedals. Hope I answered your question. Thanks for chiming in.

[@petetoemmes6673]

@@daveyJ213 Thank you. I am not all that sure there even is - in anybody's torque sensor setup - where the assist level can be changed by the owner. Cadence sensor - yes - as mentioned either power or speed based per PAS level. Torque base assist is based on a potentially changing pedal (torque) rider input regardless of the PAS level you may be in, but also very dependent on the bike gear you may be in which affects your pedal input. Generally bike controllers have no idea which bike gear you are in though some of the bleeding edge combo mid-drive motor/gear units do. I guess my thinking is that torque sensor pedal assist per PAS level based on a constant changing signal (essentially real-time measurement) of the rider's pedal (torque) input is implemented as an algorithm set in the controller firmware which does no lend itself to a "simple" change to a single metric (e.g. percent) by the rider.

[@daveyJ213]

@@petetoemmes6673 Yeah, I agree - what gear you are in affects out power output. I've noticed I can increase my speed just by switching to a higher gear while maintaining the same cadence and wattage output on the cranks. Your comment about "potentially changing pedal input" rings true. That has presented itself as a bit of perceived jerkiness and constant little speed changes. The bike may speed up and as a result I am putting on less pedal pressure, which the system instantly adjusts for by limiting power. I've learned to master it over time. Thanks for the information. Do you have this same bicycle? What are you riding? Torque sensor?

[@petetoemmes6673]

Oddly I only have a broken analog bike. Just doing research. Like the ECells Step Star, Wired Cruiser, and Magicycle Deer 2.0 which has both sensors and can be switched on the fly - plus a local dealer.

[@Mojo-Risin-Risin]

If you had to do it over again, would you get 24 inch tires,/wheels?

[@daveyJ213]

No, I would keep the 26" wheels. I could lower the seat to mount the bike easier. I just don't like my seat too low. 24" wheels would give you more torque for hill climbing. 26" wheels have less rolling resistance when coasting.

[@1DumbSquirrel]

where did you get the seat post

[@daveyJ213]

I ordered it on Amazon. Search for "Safort Suspension Seatpost".

[@Jovansam]

Useful information and great video! What are the dimensions of the rack? I am considering getting the 19" frame. I am 6ft1 with an inseam of 34, would you have any guidance on how the 17" or 19" would fit?

[@daveyJ213]

19" frame might give you more room in the cockpit, so to speak. However, because you can raise or lower the seat to a comfortable riding position, I think you would be a perfect fit for the 17" frame. At your height, with your longer inseam, you get onto the bike more easily than I can. 17" might be lighter in weight, which is good. Dimensions of the back rack are 18" long by 8" wide. It's very sturdy. Let me know what you end up getting.

[@Winkster-]

I actually talked to ECells yesterday about this exact thing. I'm 6'1" 33.5 inseam 180lb. They said either the 17" or 19" would work for me. I'm thinking of waiting for the step thru which is coming very soon. And to David, GREAT demo of this bike. I love the way you narrate your gears, power assist and the grade of the road. Gives a nice feel for how it's performing. And the safety tips couldn't be overstated for a bike like this. One of the reviewers of this bike had it take off on him when he threw a chain and was putting it back on with the bike still turned on. I'm thinking hard about getting the Step Star with the torque sensor and was wondering how you like the torque sensor on your 5 Star. I've seen some complaints about the torque sensor programming, but I think I'd prefer it over a cadence sensor

[@daveyJ213]

@@Winkster- Yeah, sounds as if your are a few inches bigger than myself; I think the 17" frame would fit you just fine - less weight too. Remember, you don't have to run your seat as high as I like mine. The Step Star frame would be much easier to get into. I'm biased toward the torque sensor. I just think it's a more natural way to actually "ride" your bike, instead of having the cadence sensor take you for a ride, if you know what I mean. A cadence sensor will slam on all available power (PAS level) as soon as it detects the cranks moving. Doesn't matter if you are on a downhill grade. If you get caught in too low a gear with too a PAS level, the pedals could leave the bottom of your foot and come around to bite you the Achilles tendon. E-Cells is having some issue with the torque sensor however, when your turn on the motor temperature display in settings (C8=1), the motor temp appears on the screen as 59° and never changes. More than one customer has complained about this. I might call E-Cells and talk to someone to see if there is a fix in the mix. Hope all this helps.

[@Winkster-]

@@daveyJ213 Yes, very helpful, Thanks David!

[@MrBalas3]

@@daveyJ213I’ve read about people stating issues with the torque sensor as well, but not enough to sway me from not getting a torque sensor if I pull the trigger on purchasing it. Going to and Electric Expo in Alameda, CA at end of this month and Ecells will be there so I’m more than willing to wait till than. Also at 6’5” step through might be more in my wheelhouse. Which it was offered for same price.

[@kazeo1953]

Where did you get that seat post?

[@daveyJ213]

Found it and ordered from Amazon. Type in "Safort Seat Post"; you'll find it easily. If you re ordering for the same bike as I have, make sure you order the 31.6mm size. This size fits the E-Cells bikes perfectly. Otherwise, measure the inside diameter of your seat post opening and order the correct size. There are seven tube sizes available.

[@moises1330]

What’s the MM size suspension seat post you used ? I want to Order the same one. Great video !

[@daveyJ213]

Get the 31.6 mm seat post. It fits perfectly into the seat post tube.

[@moises1330]

@@daveyJ213 thank u sir

[@tombrienza4534]

Walk mode is the same no matter how i set it , like you say its trot mode or jog mode i'm 5'4" lol , what do you use those handle bar extensions for? and does that seat post add more height

[@daveyJ213]

Since riding for a while I've realized that holding down the "down arrow" for walk mode is the same gesture used for initiating "cruise control". The only difference being that usually one would being going 0 mph when starting walk-mode. Side note: I've only been able to engage cruise control one time. Since then, I can't get it to operate normally. Still exploring. The handle bar extensions were originally for mounting a phone holder. I was hoping the original phone holder would be suitable for photography/filming - not so. I have since now removed the handle bar extension and changed to a new phone holder. Honestly, the particular handle bar extension I was using was way to fussy to install and use. It's gone now. I'm away now to SoCal to visit my grand-daughter, thus will not be able to ride for three weeks! However, I plan on doing a 500+ mile review of everything I am learning. I'll share that with you guys at that time. Take care, Tom. Thanks for the question.

[@waxeyone]

great job! Thanks!

[@jeffmorris2731]

Dave, if the key does not turn on the bike, how do you secure it/keep someone from just riding off with it- like it you stop at a store, or to take a bit of a view hike?

[@daveyJ213]

Do you mean the keys to the batteries? Sorry not sure what key you are referring to. However, I plan to treat this bike like I did my new-born son during his first 3 years of life. It's NEVER going to be out of eye-shot. If that's not possible, I'll have it locked securely. I saw one clown on KZbin actually take a large pipe cutter and cut a section out of a bike rack in order to steal the bike. Not sure if it was staged for clicks or an actual theft. I have a large cable and lock I can use to secure the bike, but even then I will keep an eye out while I'm grabbing a taco at the local stand.

[@jeffmorris2731]

@daveyJ213 yup. My other ebike needs the key to turn it on, so there is a certain amount of security in just removing the key. My dual star arrived today, your video 1 was so helpful in my assembly. Now I'm just waiting for batteries to charge so I can try it out! It is a big bike!

[@daveyJ213]

@@jeffmorris2731 Oh man, congratulations. I'm very happy the video helped. Yeah, it's a large bicycle; be careful managing the weight and speed. It's very powerful. I was on a ride yesterday and literally had to turn the PAS level all the way down to 0 just so I could pass a group of old folks safely. They were riding at 5 mph and blocking the entire path, so I had to gingerly pick my way around and through them. I lowered the gearing to 2nd gear and just rode through under my own power. Whew!

[@CharlesJones-bu5hk]

Can I rotate handlebars back towards me if preferred?

[@daveyJ213]

Yes. Position handle bars where ever they are comfortable and make sense for you. Then claim down.

[@TheWinger1008]

Did you get the 17" or 19" frame?

[@daveyJ213]

I purchased the 17" frame. I was contemplating the 19", but glad I decided against it. I'd say one should be 6'4" tall in order to use the 19" frame comfortably.

[@TheWinger1008]

@@daveyJ213 Oh good I'm 5'9" and got the 17" frame. It just arrived today! Can't wait.

[@UncleJam5624]

Hey David it looks like you mostly ride is PAS 1 or 2 do you ride that far that you will need the dual battery set-up?

[@daveyJ213]

I dream about taking a long distance bike/camping trip. Did it once on my recumbent tricycle for 285 miles. I purchased the dual battery set up, because I figured I could go at least 75 miles on a single charge. When I did a long distance trip on my recumbent, we averaged 60 miles per day - that was hard work, and at that time we had NO motor assistance. I remember one time it took us over three hours to climb a 6-mile, 5% grade carrying 60 lbs. of camping gear. That's when I thought to myself, "This is dumb to do without some e-assist." I ride mostly in PAS 1 and 2, saving PAS level 3 for hill climbing. I literally have never had this bike on PAS 4 or 5. I plan on attaching a trailer onto this bike to see how it performs. Maybe I'll do another video on that. Thanks for reaching out.

[@DHW-HD]

Will this fit if the the person is 5’2”

[@daveyJ213]

I'd say not very easily. I think I would discourage person of small stature (5'2"). There are other bikes that are equally as powerful, but easier to ride for a smaller person. That's not to say it's impossible. Grandma use to say, "Where there's a will, there's a way."

[@DHW-HD]

@@daveyJ213 I agree. Thank you for your fast response.

[@coreyalexander4766]

Can someone explain how a torq sensor feels when pedaling uphill? I ordered mine with one. I’m a mountain biker so I have no idea what it’s going to be like. It just seemed like the best option for me.

[@daveyJ213]

Torque sensor feels more like riding a non powered bike. Remember, with a torque sensor, you get NO assistance unless you are pressing onto the pedals. Your legs will always be under a bit of stress with a torque sensor just like riding a regular bike, which is why some people don't like it. If you are going downhill on a cadence sensor equipped bike and you rotate the pedals even slightly, the motor will kick in and add to your downhill speed. Not so with a torque sensor. Downhill with a torque sensor will give you no assistance unless you gear up to 6th or 7th gear and press the pedals. I hate ghost pedaling; it feels weird and can be dangerous if your pedals get away from you. With a torque sensor, you ride more like what you are use to on a regular bike. Just gear down to go up hill and add a bit of power to keep your legs and knees from being over stressed. Basically when you have a cadence-sensor equipped bike, you have a bike with two throttles - one foot operated and one operated at the handle bars. In either case, be aware of the grade you are on and gear you are in. Don't forget even with a torque sensor, you always have the throttle on the handle bars if you really need it. As you saw in the video, these bikes will accelerate going uphill with throttle assistance. Hope this helps. Let me know what you decide.

[@coreyalexander4766]

@@daveyJ213 oh I’ve been waiting for mine since April. Should be coming soon with a torq sensor. Thanks for the lengthy reply 🫡

[@chammack1]

Nice video.. enjoyed it .thx

[@spaceagejim8482]

I just bought one, they seem to be out of everything. Going on vacation soon so a bit worried I will get it in time.

[@daveyJ213]

They are selling quickly out of the store in NV. Don't forget they come from China. I went back over my calendar; I ordered on April 5th and received my bike 118 days later, on July 23rd. Now, granted I updated to the Dual Star on May 21, but still - that was a long wait. Be patient, E-Cells is a good crew; they will get you your machine.

[@donolinger6904]

​@@daveyJ213 - That's an insanely long time to wait when you're anxious for a ride on your new bike.

[@daveyJ213]

@@donolinger6904 I felt like I was going crazy - like a kid on Christmas Eve.

[@louzam1297]

You cannot use a basket at all with that front fork, even with removing the light

[@daveyJ213]

Yeah. They sent the basket, as it was part of the original order. But when I upgraded to the Dual Star package the basket became unusable because of the front forks. It's sitting in a box in the garage.

[@phillips278]

Tilt bike down towards your body approx 30- 35 degrees while holding handle bars and lift leg to simply step thru without a hop. You will thank me later as it pertains to hip flexion , less strain on your knees and the risk of falling or dropping the bike (especially on gravel). GOD Bless brother.😊😊

[@daveyJ213]

Thank you, sir for the advice. Believe me I've trying all kinds of ways to mount and dismount gracefully and efficiently. I'm working in out. Stay tuned for an upcoming video where I document my latest official e-bike crash (yesterday). I'm okay; concussion and bruised ego, but no broken bones.

[@phillips278]

You’re welcome Mr. Massey, we are so blessed to get out and enjoy our lives. Ride safe brother.💪🏾👍🏽

[@Winkster-]

@@daveyJ213 Sorry to hear you had an accident. Hope all is OK. The more I ride my dual star, the more careful I’ve become! The bike is just over 100 pounds so you have to be aware and prepared. I didn’t get the step star, so mounting and dismounting is taking some practice.

[@phillips278]

I hope and pray you recover soon, take your time and be careful. When I researched the e-bikes, I looked at the E Cells e-bikes as well as some others. The E Cells seller is here in Nevada in Pahrump as I reside in Las Vegas and I had repeatedly contacted them to drive over to look at some demo E Cell bikes. They said I had to make an appointment and someone would call me back to set up a time. No one ever called and I then contacted them repeatedly, asking why no one reached out. They made many lame excuses in reference to me seeing the bikes as we know it’s important and necessary to have a proper fit for height, weight etc. (I’m 6”5’ tall)When I had the opportunity to drive to the area to buy ammo, I navigated to the address and it’s not even a business, the E Cells people are drop shipping the e-bikes from a China distributor. I chose to purchase the Aniioki A8 Pro Max 52V Dual Motor Ebike and it’s an awesome e-bike and I’m very pleased with the ergonomics, build, quality, performance, appeal and range (up to 200 miles with pedal-assist). The E Cells sellers are not a good so-called retailer to do business with. I know of a few people that have waited over 2 months for their orders as well and had to threaten with legal action to receive a refund as the seller was trying to apply restocking fees..

[@tonytowhitch]

Ohhh can we get the rear bag info and that seat post???

[@daveyJ213]

The rear bag is by Arkel. They make awesome panniers. It's called the Tailrider Trunk Bag. Come in four delicious colors. Go To arkel.ca. The seat post is by Safort. Type in Safort Seat Post into your browser; you'll see it.

[@tonytowhitch]

@@daveyJ213 thank you so much my friend!

[@daveyJ213]

@@tonytowhitch You are most welcome!

[@jacobortwine7063]

Can this bike do 20 miles both ways on a full charge??

[@daveyJ213]

Oh heck yes! If you have the dual battery setup such as I have and you don't get at least 75 miles on a charge, it's because you are not even trying. I'd describe the area in which I live as "hilly". Within a 5 mile radius of my home there are quarter-mile to half-miles grades of 3%, 4% and more. I did a quick experiment and achieved 80 miles on a single charge, and still had plenty of battery juice left. I believe I could have achieved 100 miles at least. Of course, if you insist on riding around at 30+ mph by cranking the throttle you are never going to achieve that type of milage. It's nearly impossible to keep this bike under 12 mph even in PAS level 1. You can cruise around in PAS level 2 to 3 all day at 20 mph and have a blast. I only use PAS 3 for going up steep long grades and seldom use the throttle. I always have a nice leg burn going at the end of a 20 mile ride, but no stress on the knees at all. Big fun!

[@jacobortwine7063]

I just bought the 5 star, I'm planning on upgrading it to a duel star in the future. Customer service has been great. Im glad to be a member of the ecells family. Thanks for the cool review

[@nalc4722]

What is best tire pressure? I have 20 and it says 30 on tire. Seems kind of a lot for how the tire feels at 20 psi

[@daveyJ213]

I recently lowered mine down to 18 psi to soften the ride a bit more. I would not go over 20 psi.

[@TheSouthernTriker]

So you gave up on on the Recumbent world, the Ti-fly X wow 😮

[@daveyJ213]

Gave up!? No, the recumbent is still my number one! Two wheels are fun for a change, but are inherently dangerous. I'll still be spending the lion's share of my riding time on the AZUB. How have you been?

[@misterlasvegas777]

I’ve got the same bike in Orange if you don’t have a dropper seat post you are going to hurt yourself, one day you will not find a curb or you’re going to be on a hill or a decline and you will fall definitely buy a dropper seat post I have one fromAmazon for about $60 it’s a hydraulic post ,kinda like a office chair hydraulic seat

[@daveyJ213]

I've never heard of a dropper seat post. It operates just like an office chair? I will check it out. Thanks for the tip.

[@Beltfedshooters]

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[@terranceraynierfielder4604]

Hello David, I'm very interested in that suspension seat. Pease send me the details. You have a great day.

[@daveyJ213]

It's a great post. It's by a company called Safort. Here is an Amazon link where you can find it: www.amazon.com/dp/B0CF4JBDQW?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1 Make sure you order the 31.6mm post. It will fit perfectly into the post hole on the E-Cells bicycles.

[@randalgoat]

@@daveyJ213 Thanks for the info. I have a hard tail ebike so having some sort of rear suspension has been really helpful, don't like being jiggled so much! And of course, with the stock rear shock you now have 2 rear suspensions. Did you try the 5 Star before you bought the seat post suspension? Of course it's always helpful to have a before and after so the seat post suspension can be evaluated on its own merits. In fact i wonder if you can have too of a good thing! I sure like that price! I bought the Redshift, which was $230, the one you bought was only $87! I justified spending that much because my ebike had no rear suspension to begin with.

[@daveyJ213]

@@randalgoat Actually I purchase the suspension seat post while waiting for the 5 Star to arrive. Same for the pedals and chain stay guard. Currently considering alternative seat options also. I'll update at the 500 mile marker.

[@romulosumalnap-mw9vx]

How much for one and where can I get it?

[@daveyJ213]

Go to the E-Cells web site. You can customize your machine just the way you like it. The 5 Star is selling for $2,295.00.

[@antoniiocaluso1071]

does it seem that the STEP STAR would be a "better" bike, considering how "awkward" it seems to get started. I'm a road cyclist, and would wish to actually cycle, like this fine fellow. BUT...is the STEP STAR geometry less-stiff than the DUAL STAR frame??? tanx! 🙂

[@daveyJ213]

I haven't seen any data or information comparing the frames of the STEP-STAR to the DUAL-STAR. Going by intuition, I'd say there's a good chance you are correct. Road biker? Man, I did that for many years. I had a GIANT carbon-framed road bike that only weighed 17 lbs. Sold it about 6 years ago. The ride was just too rough on these old bones. Mostly I ride my recumbent tricycle - an exchange for comfort and stability over speed. What make/brand of road bike do you ride?

[@antoniiocaluso1071]

@@daveyJ213 2010 Sp Roubaix 3x in Punta Gorda, FL on VERY-smooth safe roads 🙂Old N. Italiano cyclist here, from where cycling is like romance!! Never get's old (73 here ))) An ebike as these would be my 2nd vehicle, which if one lives alone in a semi-rural area, is a smart thing to do!

[@daveyJ213]

@@antoniiocaluso1071 "Cycling is like romance". Very true. I missed the Tour de France this year.

[@VLC1959]

Can anyone comment on the ecell toque censer on this bike, pros, cons anything would be helpful.

[@daveyJ213]

Feels a bit "lurchy" until to get use to it. Just remember, you MUST apply pressure to the pedals in order to get any power back from the motor. As soon as you stop pedal pressure, the motor cuts off. With that said, even in PAS 1 and 1st gear, it's nearly impossible to go less than 10 mph. Sometimes I've had to go down to PAS 0 in order to navigate around pedestrians, or pets on the trail, or slow moving traffic. However, in a nut shell: It's been great.

[@Veganarchy-Zetetic]

A suspension seat post on a dual suspension bike? I was told that was not a good idea.

[@daveyJ213]

Did they say why? I've had no problems so far.

[@Veganarchy-Zetetic]

​@@daveyJ213 I guess the extra weight and money for a suspension seat post that is designed for hard tails when you already have full suspension seems a bit overkill. The extra loss of pedal energy. The rear suspension and the seat post being out of sync and not bouncing in conjuction. Some seat posts make you a bit more wobbly. Some change the distance from the pedals when in use. I was going to add one to my bike but after reading up on it I think I would rather save the cash just in case I suffer from any of the above reasons. My full suspension bike is aready WAY more comfy than my hard tail with seat post suspension so maybe it is unecessary for me. Glad it works for you tho!

[@caligreen2606]

75 days later no Bike refund requested November 3. No refund new refund request November 8 partially issued -$314. The customer service in the company sucks get a wired less headaches.

[@daveyJ213]

You haven't been able to talk with anyone at Ecells? What's going on? Why do you need a refund? Let us know.

[@johnnyutah7080]

There's gonna be a price to pay for having ur seat that height. Its gonna b bad news when u have to stop quickly

[@daveyJ213]

I've thought about that, and even did some carefully staged sudden-stop practice scenarios. I lowered the seat about an inch today and took a 11-mile ride just to see how it felt. It was doable, but I like the seat higher so I can stretch out my legs. Otherwise, too much stress on my knees. Say a prayer for me.

[@evan3025]

​@daveyJ213 great video sir! Just took my Ecell 5 star on its first ride and MAN! WHAT A BIKE. LOVE IT

[@18andlikeit]

I have the 5 ⭐ and also like good leg extension. I'm 6' and had the seat high up. On my tippy toes at a stop. But when I had to come to a stop real quick, I damn near lost my balance and almost fell over. That was enough for me to lower the seat about 2 full inches. Don't have quite the leg extension I had before but I feel it's a good compromise between that and being safer. Having said that, lowering the seat made it more comfortable in another way by making the handlebars a bit higher for a more comfortable upright riding position, so all in all it was a good move for me.

[@daveyJ213]

@@evan3025 Very cool. Congratulations. I know what you mean about the fun factor. I ride almost every day.

[@daveyJ213]

@@18andlikeit I lowered my seat and did some test rides. I just don't like my seat too low. After 300+ miles of riding I have perfected mounting and dismounting techniques. I had some balance issues when trying to go slow enough to get around some obstacles, but luckily have not fallen yet. I even learned to ride with my drink holder in place. Big fun; I ride almost every day. I love my Dual Star. Definitely not as comfortable as my recumbent trike, but fun none-the-less.

[@mogeking56]

Dude man I told you the first time get a trained squirrel 🐿️ to hold your camera 📸 they have springs in their legs 🦵

[@daveyJ213]

Squirrel are few and far between. I'll see what I can come up with.

[@BiKEnBiTES]

Always turn off electric power at the bars before getting off bike!

[@daveyJ213]

Indeed! That is good advice; and that is exactly what I do. Thanks.

[@BiKEnBiTES]

You need to lower your seat

[@daveyJ213]

I did. I took a ride with the seat about 1.5 inches lower. I was able to get onto the bike, but as imagined the ride was just not as comfortable. Don't get me wrong, it's doable, but because I could not extend for full leg power as easily, I had to rely on motor power. I'll try it again to see if I can get use to it. Thanks!

[@BiKEnBiTES]

@@daveyJ213 👍

[@mogeking56]

Dude man your seat post is to high it’s not safe drop it down be a man your a small short dude man stop being silly 🤪

[@daveyJ213]

Alright! Now that I've been out on a couple of test rides since healing up, I have lowered my seat post a bit. It feels weird; don't like it. I have to rely on the motor more. Thanks for chiming in. Take care.

[@KarinGonzalez-y5h]

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[@BiKEnBiTES]

Ebikes are turning into motorcycles. I don't want a fast Ebike..they are dangerous to self and people. Accidentally throttling when unexpected or at the wrong time could hurt someone. People need Proper training to be honest

[@daveyJ213]

I cannot disagree with you. I've seen a cringe-worthy video where the rider was going in access of 50 mph while his bike, while the bike nearly shook apart in a death-wobble. My thought was, "Why?" I am ecstatic to cruise at 20 mph with little or no effort. Besides, on the trails on which I ride, excess speed would take out old folks, pedestrians, or dogs. Or I would be taken out my a deer crossing the path. People should purchase the bike that fits them and is of good quality; then ride it responsibly. I like to go fast occasionally, but it should not be the end goal.

[@BiKEnBiTES]

@@daveyJ213 it's not even speed that can cause crashing into someone. People have to realize this and I hope they do 👍

[@daveyJ213]

@@BiKEnBiTES You get no argument from me on that point.

[@TheyCallMeRed]

Just because your bike has the power doesn't mean you have to ride it full on with your hair on fire... If I have to go up a long hill, outrun a charging dog, or maneuver around traffic, I'm grateful the power is there. Normally I'll ride 17 to 23 mph.

[@BiKEnBiTES]

@@TheyCallMeRed same

[@georose33]

I recently set my c5 to 10, but I hardly ever us the throttle. I may scale it back a bit anyway.

[@daveyJ213]

Torque sensor? Have you noticed the difference? More power on the pedals? I'd scale it back some, especially if you have your settings to deliver full power at the throttle. Could be dangerous from a dead stop. Keep me posted.

[@zeljkozerjavic7008]

Very Good video do not wory to be perfect just be normal human much more important.

[@daveyJ213]

Thank you! Yeah, my normal is imperfection. Thank you, Lord that it won't beheld against me. Appreciate you; all the best to you and yours.

[@Pidgeys]

If i wanted a subaru id just buy a wrx

[@daveyJ213]

WRX?

[@Pidgeys]

@daveyJ213 I was just making a dumb joke cuz their cars are often blue with gold rims

[@daveyJ213]

@@Pidgeys Apologies. Slower than I use to be.

[@willardwilliams4341]

Does anyone have contact info for E Cells? email or tel no.... I've been checking e cells website for about 3 weeks... for some reason contact info is not available...

[@daveyJ213]

You can contact Rachel directly via. email at: [e-mail]. Corporate phone is: 702-960-2015 Corporate offices, and Corporate Mobile phone is: 775-764-9414. You should be able to get someone to talk to at E-Cells.

[@IRail-u7n]

Is there a weight limit on the suspended seat post?

[@daveyJ213]

I don't know specifically. I suppose if too much weight was put onto the seat post, it would stop functioning properly. Let me try to find out.