New Edition Info Drop! Emergency Podcast 8 | Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game | MESBG

[@joshcoles1255]

Expected the fight value change and it’s a welcomed one! I actually would’ve liked to see the same thing happen to Strength tbh, no way things elite eleven warriors are needing the same 6 to wound as a low man lake-town peasant. I think it’s a shame the arnor book will effectively be out of date when the new addition drops pretty soon after it comes out but fair play to them for letting us know. I’m still on the fence about all of this until see everything infront of me profiles etc but I’m sure the MESBG team will make the right changes

[@GollumGamers]

I guess it's the fight value (the ability to win the fight) that the skilled elven troops have over the lake-town scrubs! Yeah definitely sucks that the supplement won't have even six months in the limelight before becoming obsolete - would have been nice to see how it effected the current state of the game!

[@ReganSmash83]

I am really excited for these changes. I’m hoping with this my Minas Tirith won’t just be bring Boromir every time. Sucks that Rise of Angmar is going defunct quickly but at least they are telling us this before we all went out and bought it

[@GollumGamers]

Yeah there's a world where list building could become quite static, but we'll have to see how it plays out! And yes it's defo upsetting that we won't get a good amount of time with the new supplement before it becomes obsolete - would have been interesting to see how it effected the current state of the game!

[@JamesBingham-rp9ue]

Nice to hear a more positive review

[@michaelhaskell2155]

The WarCom article did say that it was only a taster (end of first paragraph) so presumably much more to share ahead or for us to read for ourselves when the book lands. I'm excited.

[@GollumGamers]

Yep hopefully lots more changes in the pipeline!

[@grimgrauman7650]

I will miss the 3+ in the way a bit. There are just situations were there is the question if this justifice a in the way roll and then you can agree on a 3+ roll.

[@GollumGamers]

In the 50+ tournaments I've attended in the last couple years it's literally come up once or twice - so I doubt it'll be missed much! 😁

[@grimgrauman7650]

@@GollumGamers it does not come up often, but it was a nice way for a compromise. Reducing the chance to hit by 50% just because a model is behind a railing is a bit dumb

[@rklammer]

If intelligence played a part in heroic action timings that would be pretty awesome! It would be really nice to know what order they will go off in instead of waiting for the roll off which feels very arbitary. Obviosuly this has a balancing issue as intelligence is likely weighted heavily to good factions and within good factions is heavily weight to Elves then liekly Dwarves before men, but I'm sure the points can handle this.

[@GollumGamers]

A very interesting idea - that I like a lot! I wonder whether they'll be changing any rules around these 50/50 roll off's that can be so game deciding!

[@nilssaugen2303]

Hopefully they have remembered why SS were introduced, and changed the strength characteristics or the damage table accordingly. There are 2 things I fear. This game was kept pretty well balanced until they started introducing LL's. Then we got hit with powercreeps, and some very unbalanced power lists/profiles like Vanquishers, Black Riders and the DE. Now we are gonna believe they will be able to write 100 odd army lists/Legions and still keep things balanced??? It has potential nightmare written all over it. Secondly - as someone who enjoys creative list writing and holds that to be my favourite part of the hobby. I fear that in addition to unbalancing special rules - there will be to many restrictions on how we are allowed to build armies - to just suck the light out of that part of the hobby for me and many others. So I won't be in any hurry to acquire the new rulebooks myself, probably wait until all the supplements are out and we have functioning army builders around before seriously considering to pick up the new books. If at all. Which will have consequences for the local tournament scene as Im also one of very few TO's.

[@GollumGamers]

Yeah seriously hoping that list building wont become too structured, in an effort to make things more themed in some areas!

[@xerospacious4024]

Getting my hopes up with an all troll legion then immediately retconning it is incredibly frustrating

[@GollumGamers]

I guess we'll still get the legion, just for an incredibly short amount of time - which is even more frustrating! 😂

[@xerospacious4024]

@@GollumGamers I don't think il have time to play it ahah. At least the new model confirms buhrdur will be staying 🤣

[@grimgrauman7650]

I don't think the legacy pdf will have more than 4-6 profiles. I am pritty certain that Helm Hammerhand will be one of them as he will get a new model and profile with the new Movie. Also a lot of people confuse the Armys of Middle-earth with the legacy Pdf. Not all non Movie models will be gone😂

[@GollumGamers]

Oooo personally I think there'll be a fair amount more than 4-6 profiles getting retired, if they're announcing it in this official kind of a way!

[@smeg3519]

Just painted Gulavhar!!! Sad times

[@GollumGamers]

Gully is going nowhere 😁😎

[@Flubberfett]

I know your hating on bolg/azog but I hope they don't bring lots of normal hero's up to them in fight value as in the movies both are absolute units! (This might come from the fact I have just spent my life's savings collecting Azog and friends)

[@GollumGamers]

As I own almost everything in the army list - I'm a big big fan of Azog's Legion! Just meant if they're going to make Azog and Bolg worse, they'll have to make up for that somewhere - as those two are a huge part of what makes the list semi decent!

[@Flubberfett]

@@GollumGamers Yeah okay I could accept that! Give them some magic in the army somehow haha nah Im not sure how they would do it. Making some of the orcs fight 4 could be a play. Ideally they stay fight 7 and its only giga hero's like Aragorn that go up to fight 7! And like you said its not like they dominate at the moment. Its just a fun army.

[@gandalf4751]

😍😍😍✅✅✅

[@lukesenyshyn4886]

I hope they keep piecing strike for troops that have axes aka my wildman😂 and I’m praying they don’t her ride of gully😅

[@GollumGamers]

Yeah some of the buffs that armies get from being able to pierce, feint etc surely have to be baked into some of their troop profiles!

[@BrickWann]

I'm scared

[@GollumGamers]

Don't be - I'm sure things will work out just fine!

[@Chickenchicken46]

Goodbye alliance matrix special strikes and probably khand woses and far harad

[@GollumGamers]

Not the Woses!!

[@DJM21-y2f]

Gulavhar , Shade , buhrdur in the bin ? Oh dear angmar

[@xerospacious4024]

Surely not buhrdur since they put him in the new book. Made him a new model and released hill trolls. The others however I don't have much hope for

[@GollumGamers]

These new profiles better be pretty insane then to make up for the Gully sized hole 😂

[@Four_Farthings_Gaming]

I’m actually disappointed after this release. I think it’s going to eliminate a lot of the more creative armies :(

[@neylina8384]

From the wording u might me right.. and it will most likely hit Evil a lot harder, then good.. but there are also some interesting parts in the texts and in the end we will have to wait and see :D Im honestly still hoping on the Transforming Galadiel LoL version for Loth 🙈🤔

[@GollumGamers]

Yeah list building wise it could restrict things a little too much - but will have to see how it plays out!