New Elac Debut 3 Embarrasses Speakers 5X the Price

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Back to what made the first ones great, the Elac Debut 3 Speakers crush high end audio... again
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@ziggy8757
@ziggy8757 19 күн бұрын
video comparing it to the elacs unifi 2.0, to the unifi reference and debut reference is a must....
@garyganser2451
@garyganser2451 19 күн бұрын
@@ziggy8757 I bought the unifi ub52 off of his recommendation 3.5 years ago and still love them. It would be great to see a comparison or even break some news of a new version of the ub52. At $700 they are at the top of my price range and I require bookshelf speakers.
@seanbeckwith607
@seanbeckwith607 13 күн бұрын
does he say name of speakers 5X the price that get embarrassed? If so I will watch
@ziggy8757
@ziggy8757 13 күн бұрын
@@seanbeckwith607 no
@lynsnyder9165
@lynsnyder9165 19 күн бұрын
I'm just getting into good audio. I never worried too much about it and suddenly the bug bit me and I went into the rabbit hole of speaker and amp reviews. I love your reviews! I just got a pair of ELAC Debut B6 gen1 for $100 on FB Marketplace and a Cambridge Audio AXR100 to power them. I can't wait to set it all up and jam!
@Jayboulders
@Jayboulders 18 күн бұрын
Solid setup! Enjoy. Don't forget about speaker placement and the room. You'll likely wanna get a sub next too.
@lynsnyder9165
@lynsnyder9165 18 күн бұрын
@@Jayboulders Yes, at this point I don't have it set up yet, but I LOVE bass and have been shopping around for a sub. So far, I'm interested in the ELAC sub1010, 1225.
@haydendoan7691
@haydendoan7691 19 күн бұрын
What's with the rude comments? Randy knows what he likes/dislikes and shares his experience in his personal/passionate style. I don't always agree with everything in his reviews but it's completely OK to not agree on everything. Courtesy will make this hobby much more fun for everyone. Cheers to Randy for making these fun videos and I really enjoy/appreciate them!
@cheapaudioman
@cheapaudioman 19 күн бұрын
Thanks, brother. As a rule of thumb, the more negative comments on a video in the first day the better the video will perform. It’s actually a great indicator. I think most of the negativity comes from my hyperbolic titles because a lot of them clearly haven’t watched the video in totality
@anonimushbosh
@anonimushbosh 18 күн бұрын
@@cheapaudiomanYou mean when you say “better than 5x the price” what you really mean is “pretty good VFM”? Lol 👍
@htprimeaux8570
@htprimeaux8570 14 күн бұрын
Please make up your mind about the Elac debut 2.0 B62. The last review you did of it you were raving how wonderful it is after giving it a second chance. I’ve got a pair. I believe everything you said about in the raving review was right on the button. I believe the imaging is the most impressive aspect of the 6.2 I can’t keep upgrading. There will always be another better Elac coming. Please don’t diss a speaker that you previously loved. A fair comparison is fine.
@CADClicker
@CADClicker 11 күн бұрын
​@@htprimeaux8570If you own them, and like them, then who cares
@user540000
@user540000 8 күн бұрын
you got a problem chief?
@themancoat
@themancoat 19 күн бұрын
FYI, your recommend price ranges need an update. A lot of the links are dead or the speaker has been discontinued.
@Steve-no2hh
@Steve-no2hh 19 күн бұрын
That's because all he cares about is pitching the latest product for which he is getting paid
@astroporpoise7802
@astroporpoise7802 19 күн бұрын
@@Steve-no2hh Whoa, what a slanted viewpoint. But nah, by that logic he would've blindly hyped the Debut 2.0 when it came out instead of being unsure about it. As he said, the Debut 3 harkens back to the original Debut, therefore he's more excited about these. Hope you have a good weekend.
@TheNLHAZE
@TheNLHAZE 19 күн бұрын
​@Steve-no2hh yes he has changed alot since when he first started this channel 😢
@gilpena9591
@gilpena9591 18 күн бұрын
No leave them Randy! Don't listen to him
@CADClicker
@CADClicker 11 күн бұрын
​@@Steve-no2hhAnd yet here you are. Funny that
@bilguana11
@bilguana11 17 күн бұрын
The Debut 3.0 acoustical designer was Skarff Keibach from their Germany office. The Debut 3.0 project was combination of folks from their R&D Facility in Toronto and Germany.
@robertpollak6572
@robertpollak6572 19 күн бұрын
Generally speaking, if the tweeters crossover costs more than $3, an aluminum dome tweeter can sound smooth enough for most of us.
@user540000
@user540000 8 күн бұрын
They put the port back on the rear.... the whole reason the moved the port to the front in the 2nd revision was to make it easier for speaker placement so you could put it close up to the wall, being its a lower priced speaker the idea is that people buying it probably dont have a dedicated room with speakers 3 feet out from the wall.... so why go back to the design from the original?
@impuls60
@impuls60 19 күн бұрын
A lot to like about the front drivers. Small center to center distance. Deepish waveguide for lower XO and headroom for the tweeter. Flared port!! I wonder how they measure?? Possible to remove the tweeter guard? Maybe even better treble??. Huge rubber surround so they might have decent X-max? I'm liking what I see here :)
@SuperMcgenius
@SuperMcgenius 18 күн бұрын
Little know fact, adding a Hot Wheel to speakers improves bass response. 😂
@sysense
@sysense 19 күн бұрын
Is the Cheapaudioman playing a little D&B in his vid? Respekt.
@BLCKPRTY
@BLCKPRTY 18 күн бұрын
came here to say this!
@Audiodreamer192-24
@Audiodreamer192-24 19 күн бұрын
Elac isn’t the same without AJ but they built on his original design so they can’t be bad that’s for sure. I’ve had and have several of his designed speakers and I have yet to listen to anything he made and say anything bad about it.His crossover’s are awesome for imaging and his tonal balance is always spot on. I still use a pair of his UF 52’s on one of my current set ups and they are great . If I have one complaint is the woofer cones discoloured a bit which is weird but it’s no biggie. AJ is at mofi now a days and I have yet to audition a pair of source points but it’s in my plans . Elac still remains relevant without him if a little less. ☕️
@sherwood5103
@sherwood5103 19 күн бұрын
How are they vs DBR62? 🤔
@twissted1277
@twissted1277 19 күн бұрын
Yes that's a great question
@helloitsjustmenow
@helloitsjustmenow 19 күн бұрын
@@sherwood5103 that’s what I want to know
@itreat2016
@itreat2016 19 күн бұрын
How do these compare to their more expensive elac uni-fi 2.0 ub52?
@robertwoodward9231
@robertwoodward9231 19 күн бұрын
I bought the unifi ub52 2.0s 3 years ago when Randy said they were the best he'd heard. Over 700.00 and specs say 85db but I read an article that a guy measured them down to like 83.5db. These things really crave power! I still don't have a setup that will get all the efficiency from them, but I'm not gonna give up on them.
@garyganser2451
@garyganser2451 19 күн бұрын
I love mine on a 70w Yamaha. Things get a little uncomfortable when my amp is out of its class, but I don't really get to play it super loud very often.
@Pok-001
@Pok-001 17 күн бұрын
@@robertwoodward9231they need a good amp for sure. Recommend looking at used gear. Got my amp sells for 3500$ for 1400$ on audio mart. Would recommend an amp in the 1500 to 2000$ with 100 watts or better. Usually start seeing amps with much bigger power supplies in that range.
@CaptainXanax
@CaptainXanax 19 күн бұрын
I'm excited to try out these speakers, even if the tweeters look like they're wearing pasties. I actually like the debut 2 front firing port cause my living room is pretty small and my speakers are at best 6" off the wall.
@user540000
@user540000 8 күн бұрын
yeah that is the whole reason the moved the port to the front in the 2nd revision so no idea why they moved it again for the 3rd... most people with budget speakers will not be putting them 3 feet in the middle of the room
@FrightfulMess
@FrightfulMess 19 күн бұрын
You know, I bit the bullet on the 5.2's based on your recommendation (it blew away its bigger brother, you said) and yea, this little sucker punches our small living room hard. So.........are you gonna come back in six months with a disappointment video?
@thomasetesta5641
@thomasetesta5641 18 күн бұрын
Agree; he raved about the 5.2s
@kierand9410
@kierand9410 18 күн бұрын
the question is did you agree with his 6 month negative review?
@nerwin
@nerwin 17 күн бұрын
I mean I think for the money, the 5.2 are good value. I love mine.
@jonuiuc
@jonuiuc 17 күн бұрын
Where is the 6 mo neg review? Did he do one for the 5.2?
@davidbono9359
@davidbono9359 17 күн бұрын
I think Randy was disappointed with the 6.2's. From what I remember, he gave the 5.2's a good review (better than the 6.2), and has given them pretty favorable mentions since then.
@iainmuir2601
@iainmuir2601 19 күн бұрын
I watch almost every video on this channel. I tried your recommednateions for Sony, ELAC, POLK, and JBL but always felt wanting. None ever seemed to give a significant improvement to the Andrew Jone's Pioneers or my old PSB's. But I found a local Hi-Fi shop who sold Fyne Audio speakers. This is a Scottish company who have former engineers from Tannoy. I purchased their bottom of line bookshelfs (around $400 CND on clearance) and IMO are way better than the major brands. Would love to see you do a review of their bottom of the range speakers (most of their speakers are high end and in the thousands of dollars). I'm in Canada so not sure if Fyne Audio are sold in the US? I'm also Scottish but remain completely unbiased (Aye right!!! If it's not Scottish, it's Crap)
@a.j9645
@a.j9645 19 күн бұрын
What!!? I have to replace my Wharf diamond 225 again!😬 (they usually come back from the basement). Thanks for the review as usual Randy, and I think I will buy the 3s and check them out. You convinced me😀👍🇸🇪
@sanonmars
@sanonmars 19 күн бұрын
Have you checked Diamond 12.2, since you have wharfedale?
@Norman-bone13
@Norman-bone13 19 күн бұрын
Love my Diamond 225’s! 🎶
@a.j9645
@a.j9645 19 күн бұрын
@@sanonmars They are soo good imo. The treble maybe should sparkle a bit more, but..I Just cant stop living them. Atm I have a svs sb 1000 for the low notes and yes . Its good🙂🇸🇪
@a.j9645
@a.j9645 19 күн бұрын
@@sanonmars No I havn't! But I bet they are nice. 🙂
@MrWslindsay
@MrWslindsay 18 күн бұрын
The 225's have become a classic go back to for sure. I definitely would like to try these as well
@PascalNuman
@PascalNuman 19 күн бұрын
Thanks for the review Randy. I only miss the comparison with the Lintons as mentioned in the intro.
@chrisveltman1795
@chrisveltman1795 19 күн бұрын
Looks like a Neumi Silk with a paperclip glued to the tweeter. Randy states below that the embarrassed 5x as expensive speaker is the Buchardt S400 ii. I'd love to know about an actual comparison between the Buchardt, Neumi and this ELAC. That would be a great review that aligns well with this video's title. And, did I miss the comparison to the Linton?
@ungarlinski7965
@ungarlinski7965 19 күн бұрын
He doesn't have the technical knowledge.
@Uuur10
@Uuur10 18 күн бұрын
You're able to hear a grainy midrange in an amplifier? Wow.
@amouellette81
@amouellette81 19 күн бұрын
I love your channel. It’s great because your taste in music is the same as me so when you make a recommendation I already know it’s the same type of music I would listen to. Keep up the great video.
@Simon_Hawkshaw
@Simon_Hawkshaw 19 күн бұрын
Perhaps these will/should replace my gifted Emotiva B1+ speakers bought on your recommendation that I loved but were replaced with my beloved SVS Ultras. Will be saving up. Thank you for your perspectives and for sharing them with us all. Have a great weekend.
@sanonmars
@sanonmars 19 күн бұрын
Interesting. How better were Ultras than Emotiva?
@Simon_Hawkshaw
@Simon_Hawkshaw 19 күн бұрын
@@sanonmars For my compromised hearing the Ultras presented more bass and I found the B1+ tweeters a little shrill. I seemed to be enveloped more by the sound from the Ultras and the music was more, in my opinion, visceral. Thanks for your question and time to ask. All the best.
@Acoustic_Theory
@Acoustic_Theory 19 күн бұрын
Andrew Jones has moved on to other ventures, but it seems like the ethos has remained intact - and the engineering contributions have also remained in place, along with some incremental improvements. Elac has managed their value-priced Debut series most shrewdly of all the product ranges they have done.
@johan5660
@johan5660 19 күн бұрын
Seems like the one replaced andrew jones is doing a better job than andrew jones, since he/she managed to make the debut 3 sound on par with buchart s400mk2 at 1/5th of the price. Kudos to this new designer.
@Audiodreamer192-24
@Audiodreamer192-24 18 күн бұрын
They worked around designs Andrew already did…….
@adamcfada5071
@adamcfada5071 19 күн бұрын
How do they compare to the Reference model?
@Dave-rz9vz
@Dave-rz9vz 19 күн бұрын
Would love to hear more about the comparison to the Linton.
@gerald9442
@gerald9442 19 күн бұрын
Yeah I watched the whole vid for that
@Cinoism
@Cinoism 18 күн бұрын
@@gerald9442 There is no comparison. Linton will destroy Debut 3. It's a 3 way semi-tower, so it takes away the only advantage Elac have over most speakers, sound stage.
@peterbaugh51
@peterbaugh51 19 күн бұрын
Guess Elac took notes when AJ was there😉. Wonder if these equal DBR62 Reference? Or close? Big difference in price I know, but the Reference are still much better than my 3x priced B&W's. Thanks for the video CAM.
@peterbaugh51
@peterbaugh51 19 күн бұрын
Also, I like this speaker's style. BLACK 😉.
@generationbehindhifi
@generationbehindhifi 9 күн бұрын
I would be really surprised if they made Debut 3 are almost as good as the DBR62 because that would cannibalize sales from their more expensive line. I'm a bit excited to receive my pair of Debut 3 so I can tear them down and see what makes them tick.
@HiFiTurtle
@HiFiTurtle 19 күн бұрын
One of my favorite speakers from T.H.E show. Got to here these and the floorstander and was just super impressed, I thought they were 2-3x the price.
@Rocker6969
@Rocker6969 18 күн бұрын
does this sound better than the CSS Torii Kit ? let us know :)
@fhaquuu
@fhaquuu 19 күн бұрын
Awesome review Randy. I might have to get the 3 way 6.5” tower. We’ll see
@krzysztofs3t532
@krzysztofs3t532 19 күн бұрын
I don't get this aluminum dome tweeter phobia. My KEF R3 has aluminum tweeter and it souds great, smooth, perfect.
@sirpentor9611
@sirpentor9611 19 күн бұрын
Same with my Revel m106
@onionknight9431
@onionknight9431 18 сағат бұрын
Most of the people drive them with receivers
@BFArch0n
@BFArch0n 8 күн бұрын
Fugly. The reference is peak beautiful
@PhillioDoede
@PhillioDoede 18 күн бұрын
Excellent review, would be nice to have a budget amp sanity check though. SMSL AL200 or Fosi ZA3 just to see how they do. ELAC knocked it out of the park in the design department, good to know the sound measures up.
@scruffy8861
@scruffy8861 17 күн бұрын
Looks like the trivet diffuser that came with my tea kettle is being used for the tweeters too.
@BrianHall-Oklahoma
@BrianHall-Oklahoma 19 күн бұрын
Are they as great as the Sony SSCS5 speakers? I have those and they sound great with a Wiim Ultra powered by Fosi v3 monoblocks.
@ReeWebster
@ReeWebster 19 күн бұрын
Love the Debut 2's, great budget audiophile speaker. Thought they were better than my B&W dm602 S2's, which sound more like monitors... I want a bit of life to my main listeners.
@buttonman1831
@buttonman1831 19 күн бұрын
I'm with you, I think they are great as well and I have owned an embarrassing amount of speakers over my 30 years in this hobby. I personally believe they require an extraordinary amount of time to break in to the point they actually start sounding amazing.
@andrrru9
@andrrru9 18 күн бұрын
For a guy who reviews a crap ton of class d $100 chinese amps, he didnt try driving them with a class d chinese $100 amp.
@d.s.6268
@d.s.6268 19 күн бұрын
Great video. Thank you. Debating these vs. the Q acoustics 5020 for my bedroom - also based on your recommendation... Mainly for 2 channel TV viewing and acoustic/jazz music. Any advice on which to choose ? And would a Wiim Amp suffice ?... Thanks again :)
@s.daniel9224
@s.daniel9224 19 күн бұрын
I have the exact question. About to pull the trigger on the 5020’s. Q acoustic has been killing it lately.
@scofab
@scofab 19 күн бұрын
Randy... I'm with ya. If you've never heard a pair of Dali Zensor 3 see if you can. From what you're saying I think they'd be right up your ear canals and man can they hit hard. Similar price and... I hated 'em for the first hundred hours then, magic happened. See if you can find a pair that's been around the block a few times. Thanks as always Brother and regards.
@kenwilson3066
@kenwilson3066 2 күн бұрын
I have 36 pairs of bookshelf speakers. And I rotate them every couple of days. I'am playing my Dali Zensor 3 for 4 days now and I love them. So glad I bought them 6 yrs ago. Glad you mentioned them. They are great speakers.
@scofab
@scofab Күн бұрын
@@kenwilson3066 Right on, and thanks.
@nerwin
@nerwin 17 күн бұрын
I seen speakers that are ported in the front and back. What really is better? Does it depend on your placement? I hear mixed thoughts about it all the time. Man these Debut 3 look awesome.
@recklesstoboggan
@recklesstoboggan 19 күн бұрын
I've had my eye on the Wharfedale Linton for a while as my dream speaker. I've never really been an Elac fan, so I'm super interested in your Elac Debut 3 comparison to the Linton. Watching...
@donpettit7107
@donpettit7107 19 күн бұрын
Get on that, Randy…inquiring minds want to know!
@misterzero8667
@misterzero8667 19 күн бұрын
It does not compare Linton far better
@recklesstoboggan
@recklesstoboggan 19 күн бұрын
@@misterzero8667 Lets eat Grandpa
@s.daniel9224
@s.daniel9224 19 күн бұрын
Love my Lintons. Never get tired of them and always surprising me…✌️
@CADClicker
@CADClicker 11 күн бұрын
I hate it for you, but these don't actually compare to the Lintons
@cap873
@cap873 19 күн бұрын
I'm about to buy my first TT (leaning towards the Fluance RT 85) and would like to know your thoughts on a setup (no equipment purchases yet) using these speakers with a 10" sub along with the Yamaha A-S301. Would that make for a great sound for a newbie to the hobby or do you have a better recommendation in the same ballpark $$$ wise? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated!
@nolanwadr
@nolanwadr 16 күн бұрын
I got a speaker ad at about 2:10 that almost perfectly matched up shot wise with the close ups of the elacs it was wild.
@bengleason508
@bengleason508 19 күн бұрын
Thank you Randy
@buttonman1831
@buttonman1831 19 күн бұрын
I own the Elac debut 6.2's. I found these speaker literally took years to break in so they sounded good to me. I tried for 2 years in various setups to like them and just hated them. I put them in my garage for 2 years living a hard life of garage duty before I tried them inside again. They didn't even sound like the same speaker when I took them in. I can't make them sound bad anymore, they sound excellent with every amp I own which is Nad, Yamaha, and Luxman. I don't find they lack bass either for their size. The soundstage is not the widest but it is deep. The mids are warm and the high are pretty decent overall. I also find them very transparent and revealing but still maintain musicality because of the warm, laid back nature. I have owned only high end speakers for years but I can listen to these and get as much enjoyment out of them as I can out of my 8k speakers.
@producerevan88
@producerevan88 19 күн бұрын
💀🤣 I don't think anyone should take anything that you say seriously. Speakers don't break in, nor do headphones. They aren't shoes, mate 🤣
@buttonman1831
@buttonman1831 19 күн бұрын
@@producerevan88 According to a poll conducted last year on the largest audiophile group on FB with hundreds of thousands of members, 80% of audiophiles disagree with you, but you are entitled to your snarky opinion.
@buttonman1831
@buttonman1831 19 күн бұрын
@@producerevan88 According to the largest audiophile group on FB of over 100K, 80% disagree with you.
@buttonman1831
@buttonman1831 19 күн бұрын
@@producerevan88 A poll conducted a few years ago on the largest audiophile group on FB with over 100k members suggest 80% of participants disagree with you.
@inspector4133
@inspector4133 8 күн бұрын
Okay Randy, you win. I watched this video twice (although it might have haunted me in my dreams a couple of nights). I pulled the trigger today and bought a pair. Now which of the Elac center channel speakers should I put with it????
@marcfavell
@marcfavell 19 күн бұрын
Sorry, but your personal preference is just that-a preference, and that's cool! 😂 Personally, I think front-facing ports sound better in most cases. ♥️ A speaker you really need to get your hands on is the Mirage 290is. I found a pair on Kijiji around 2009-2010, and I swear they're better than some tower speakers. They're large bookshelf speakers with incredible bass, transient response, and speed, making them one of the most hidden gems in loudspeakers, in my opinion. 😊 I just regret selling them. I had two matching Mirage LF150 subs with a Rotel 972 surround sound receiver that supported Dolby Digital, DTS, and HDCD. It was my favorite surround sound system ever! I had 290is speakers all around (found the rest on eBay) and even had a 300-350 watt 2-channel Rotel amp for the fronts at one point, along with a projector from 2010-2014. I seriously miss that system and would buy it again if I could! Cheers like your videos/channel keep up amazing work 🍀♥️💙🇨🇦🇺🇲
@beach4me2007
@beach4me2007 19 күн бұрын
I heard these at THE show in Orange County last spring. I kept looking around the room for a subwoofer but there was none. These were impressive. Granted they had very high end cables and mono block amps but wow, they sounded good
@kamina90901
@kamina90901 19 күн бұрын
I'm curious show they would compare to SVS Ultra Evolution Bookshelf. Yes i know they ware not in same price bracket, but still very curious.
@ginom407
@ginom407 19 күн бұрын
GREAT Review Randy!!! 👍👍👍 So do I keep my Uni-Fi UB52's??? Looking forward to a Saturday Speaker Shootout! (Pew pew pew) 😄
@ETM-md7cu
@ETM-md7cu 19 күн бұрын
Never heard a great 2 way speaker. 3 way cost more for a reason. I like my Elac 51's more than my 52's. Maybe the 52's need more break in!!!!
@peterbaugh51
@peterbaugh51 19 күн бұрын
​@@ETM-md7cu 2 way over 3 way most of the time. A better 3 way should cost 9x more to sound any better. And be bigger... In a bigger room... With a bigger amp...
@AdityaSingh-kr6sx
@AdityaSingh-kr6sx 3 күн бұрын
@cheapaudioman I have seen a few of your videos and love the cost effective solution you share. Now I have some investment plans ongoing so cannot invest in a new audio setup. So, I was thinking about building one from whatever is available with me. 1. An old LED FHD TV (not smart TV) for Display 2. Old Dell Studio laptop, with 5.1 channel support & Realtek HD Audio ALC888 onboard. 3. Creative 2.1 speakers with decent bass for front speakers. 4. BPL Double cassette player with line--in option, stereo support with surround sound setup (2 speakers per channel). Very crisp & clear sound. Planning to use these as back surround speakers. Problem: As soon as I set the sound card to 5.1 the base is very much reduced in the 2.1 speaker and I don't have any center speaker & separate subwoofer. I do have a few bluetooth speakers with aux-in but that woofer is the major missing part. Is there any other way to configure the above setup? If not, can you recommend a product for missing speakers (only subwoofer or may be both subwoofer & center speaker) that I can also use with any other home theater setup that I may purchase in future.
@dilbyjones
@dilbyjones 17 күн бұрын
Did the same thing bro. Yea the 6.2s just didn’t have the uumph😊 so happy with the new tweeter…perfect just perfect
@anneconnors
@anneconnors 19 күн бұрын
I don’t know why but i hate the look of these tweeters
@boomboxmachine
@boomboxmachine 18 күн бұрын
same here
@worfrozhenko4032
@worfrozhenko4032 18 күн бұрын
agree
@lonster6865
@lonster6865 18 күн бұрын
Me too
@jamesschneider3828
@jamesschneider3828 18 күн бұрын
They look to be taken off a 1970’s Soundesign all in one system.
@xaviermontalban717
@xaviermontalban717 18 күн бұрын
That's because they hang a paperclip in front of it
@rekxar6314
@rekxar6314 19 күн бұрын
Will you review the Triangle BR02BT one day? BR03 seems to be controversial so if the cheaper one is better that would be a delight
@RanTausi
@RanTausi 19 күн бұрын
I am happy with my silver 100 6g. Don't see Any reason to replace them.
@buttonman1831
@buttonman1831 19 күн бұрын
Silvers are great speakers
@rianredfield5252
@rianredfield5252 19 күн бұрын
​@buttonman1831 I run a set of silver 300 towers with great satisfaction and Mission Lx2/3s (plus sub) in another rig with similar performance.
@lextr3110
@lextr3110 19 күн бұрын
they actually totally suck..
@braborgbraborg9112
@braborgbraborg9112 18 күн бұрын
@@lextr3110 Why? The Silver 100 6G?
@onibon1990
@onibon1990 19 күн бұрын
Please please compare them with Mission qx2!
@rianredfield5252
@rianredfield5252 19 күн бұрын
I've asked repeatedly for comparisons to Mission Lx series, to no avail, so I doubt that you'll get one from the upper end models.
@JR-ho5qm
@JR-ho5qm 19 күн бұрын
The new CerwinVega! LA165 is only $265 and I bet it would hold its own against these. The Elac definitely looks better though. Very nice!
@Deke1
@Deke1 19 күн бұрын
CerwinVega hasn't been good since their D series
@JR-ho5qm
@JR-ho5qm 19 күн бұрын
@@Deke1 that’s not true pal, there is definitely stigma towards Vega! But they have definitely made good speakers since the “D” series.
@Deke1
@Deke1 19 күн бұрын
@@JR-ho5qm yeah it is true....
@JR-ho5qm
@JR-ho5qm 19 күн бұрын
@@Deke1 I like the VS Series as well as the CLS215 or even the XLS215. The new LA Series is good and so are the new Vega series studio monitors. But each to their own eh!
@shannondavis4380
@shannondavis4380 18 күн бұрын
I'm using my ELAC Debut B6 speakers right now.
@Mikeymikemike
@Mikeymikemike 19 күн бұрын
Heck yeah! Been waiting for this and going to get them for just a cheap alternative to my speakers with soft dome tweeters, they look great too. Just wish they came in white!
@tpop3723
@tpop3723 13 сағат бұрын
I wonder how similar these would perform to some KEF speakers since they also have aluminum domed tweeters.
@jukingeo
@jukingeo 18 күн бұрын
Wow! This speaker definitely looks like a serious contender. In fact the whole Debut 3 line looks good. I actually like that they switched to an aluminum dome tweeter as I heard that with the soft dome tweeter, the Elac's can sound dull. So that was the reason why I was holding off on them. I ended up buying PSB Alpha 3 speakers which use...an aluminum dome tweeter and they sound fantastic and image well. I am using them for my desktop speakers. Also, I JUST bought myself a pair of KEF Q350s and really like the way they sound, so sadly, no more speakers in the market for me! I need a good DAC now. @Randy. I am VERY curious how these Elac's compare to your beloved (and overpriced) Sonus Faber speakers. Last I looked those speakers moved from your living room, to your desktop and (on last check) they were on the shelf behind you. Seems like they have fallen out of favor, hmmmm? I will agree with the claim that certain speakers can sound much better than speakers costing much more. Speakers are one area where you don't always get what you pay for. In fact a great many are overpriced. There are some such as those new Italian made that seem to be putting too much into the looks and the cabinet, similar to Sonus Faber, and you definitely pay more for that. With me, I don't care if the speaker is just a simple box, as long as it sounds good. What I don't like is any obtuse looking speaker and many high end speakers seem to follow along those lines, such as the high end KEFs and the B&W speakers. Naw, the manufacturers can keep those. I like my speakers to look like speakers, thank you. Anyway, this was another great review and it is reviews like this that do have me sticking around. Oh, and I would love to pit those Advance Paris amps against a Bryston, which I KNOW is built way better. I just picked up a B2 for a song and dance and the stereo separation and imaging on that thing is out of this world! I do have to work on it, which is why I got it for a good price, but it seems to be a promising higher end amplifier. I know it beat the pants off my Denon receiver, and that isn't an easy task to do.
@FoxGhost7
@FoxGhost7 12 күн бұрын
How would you compare the impulse rendering compared to something like the Klipsch RP600m? Or the Elac Unifi Reefrence/Debut Reference?
@donpettit7107
@donpettit7107 19 күн бұрын
Have loved the original 6.1s for so long…might have to try these. I would pay extra for some kind of non-blackout styling though! These in a walnut wrap and I could use them somewhere that is not the basement stereo lair.
@TheSixsixsick
@TheSixsixsick 9 күн бұрын
Think two Fosi ZA3’s in Mono would be a good pairing power wise? Source will be a wiim mini and j2 preamp
@DarenLee
@DarenLee 12 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video. Does this work well with Fosi V3? Would it be considered an upgrade from Sony SSCS5
@nathanaelcole8466
@nathanaelcole8466 17 күн бұрын
Maybe I missed it, but how do they compare to the new Emotiva bookshelf speakers? $50 difference and eventually I see myself upgrading my B1+ in the office/man cave. These will be on a short list.
@twissted1277
@twissted1277 19 күн бұрын
I got the speakers at 350.00 from Audio Advisor. Today. I have a Marantz MM9000 pushing the UB5 at the moment with the Klipsch RSW-12 dual fire subwoofer. I'm looking forward to getting the gen 3's a go.
@s.daniel9224
@s.daniel9224 19 күн бұрын
You get the 6.2 or 6.3?
@bryancollins4114
@bryancollins4114 Күн бұрын
Would you recommend these over the Polk r200s?
@marcfavell
@marcfavell 19 күн бұрын
@ 6:11 when you talk about Metallica in the song "One" by Metallica, how you could hear bass drums different nuances that's because the drummer, Lars Ulrich, used two bass drums. The song is well-known for its complex and powerful drumming, especially during the double bass section in the middle and towards the end of the track. This double bass drumming technique adds intensity and speed to the song, making it one of Metallica's most iconic tracks. Cheers 🍀🇨🇦🇺🇲
@carlbrown3634
@carlbrown3634 19 күн бұрын
Nice review! Thanks for sharing.
@jukingeo
@jukingeo 16 күн бұрын
@Randy. Given what you said about the Buchardt speakers. Can these wipe the floor with the Sonus Fabers you have? I would like to know how the 3's compare to PSB speakers. They have a similar aluminum done tweeter with the cover piece as well.
@The_blindpizzaguy1300
@The_blindpizzaguy1300 11 күн бұрын
I’ve noticed that six versus eight Oms for the Denon S540 BT anyway it seems to actually have a harder time driving the 6 Oms then it does the eight. I had the Sony CS fives for about seven years and they only reason why I got rid of them was because I use them so much that the main tweeter got dented but I literally used those for everything. But for some reason, I noticed the heat difference from the receiver. It would often overheat when those speakers were hooked up to it because it was having a hard time driving those. Now I’ve got some Polk audio T-15s hooked up to it and it seems to be just fine and can stay on for longer periods without overheating. I’m curious to know why that would be a thing if six ohms are supposedly easier to drive?
@pkdude5334
@pkdude5334 14 күн бұрын
how does it compare to the dbr62? I've had the dbr's for a few years and still love them.
@Shalmaneser1
@Shalmaneser1 19 күн бұрын
Do you think ElaC has overcome the physics of quality/speed/price?
@jeremybirdwell2623
@jeremybirdwell2623 19 күн бұрын
To this day, I cannot understand the hype around the first gen Debut speakers. The high end was just non-existent and the bass was pretty boomy/muddy. My old Polk Monitor 5 from the 80s ran circles around them. They are now relegated to my garage speakers.
@bradleydurbin6784
@bradleydurbin6784 19 күн бұрын
I’ve got the old Polk monitor 5 speakers and the small 4a which retailed for 279.00 back in 1989 good punchy little speakers but very bright tweeter.
@jeremybirdwell2623
@jeremybirdwell2623 19 күн бұрын
@@bradleydurbin6784 mine have the Peerless tweets, which are pretty smooth.
@s.daniel9224
@s.daniel9224 19 күн бұрын
I feel the same way about the Sony speakers. To me, they’re horrible…
@MinnesotaFats
@MinnesotaFats 18 күн бұрын
​@@s.daniel9224Exactly. Randy's great, but I take his speaker reviews with a grain of salt.
@superspeeder
@superspeeder 18 күн бұрын
You are reviewing the 6” model. Is it possible the 5” model fixes the midrange veiling you mention?
@RCB2244
@RCB2244 18 күн бұрын
Hey Randy, How does this Debut 3 directly compare to the soundstage & imaging you were "nuts" about in the original (1st gen)B6? You briefly touched on it near the end of this video, but only said it was "better"...well, in what specific ways, please..? If the original B6 actually HAS a better at soundstage, just be honest and tell us!😏 Thx, dude.
@larryburns7225
@larryburns7225 19 күн бұрын
that hot wheel in the speaker. they have that magnet tool grabber extension get the one where you can bend the extension any way you want i ave one. i just put my edifier 1280tb over to my tv and pulled out my old andrew jones sp-bs22 for my PC setup i put on bought quality cables cleaned all my contacts put on ferrite ring magnets on cables hooked up a monster audio video filter then audio burned in the cables with audio frequency sweeps and white noise brown noise i have them speakers hooked to a fosi dac q4 going into a fosi bt30d 2.1 amp with edifier t5 subwoofer and it sounds really good. the details come through almost to my sennheiser hd570 headphones. if you want a quick boost in sound quality try cleaning your contacts and play some white noise brown noise and other color noises they have some that sweep a few frequencies try burning in for at least three hours with clean contacts and have another listen to your system.
@TheDevlynnHawke
@TheDevlynnHawke 8 күн бұрын
Arnold, don't you be lookin' at me like that sir!!
@rafacq
@rafacq 18 күн бұрын
I wonder how they would sound with a Marantz Stereo 70s? Have you had a chance to listen to the Marantz Stereo 70s?
@AndrewB23
@AndrewB23 19 күн бұрын
I'm currently looking to replace my kef q150s because they sound veiled and whats weird is that metal instruments don't sound metallic cow bells and symbols don't sound realistic, so they'll be replaced with the Elac ub52 because I want that flat response and imaging
@legendaryeats779
@legendaryeats779 15 күн бұрын
Great review, as usual. What do you think of these vs the Klipsch RP-600M first gen? Right now I can we can get those for $350 new. These will probably hit that price sooner or later. Between the two, which would you buy?
@juanmillaruelo7647
@juanmillaruelo7647 12 күн бұрын
Get the second version. The original RP600M had a huge hole in the midrange.
@starla_4
@starla_4 19 күн бұрын
hi, i think it would be amazing if you had a couple microphones even if it’s fairly cheap ones like shure sm58 and cross stereo mic them play some license free music (from musicbed site) You could maybe do a separate speaker comparison video with each recordings - new style content! Would be amazing I’m in the market for new speakers so would love to get an idea how they come across - thanks for being amazing 😊
@SweatLaserXP
@SweatLaserXP 19 күн бұрын
Do you ever listen to classical music? I've never heard you mention it in your videos, and I've watched a lot of your videos and I always enjoy them.
@stephenhall3515
@stephenhall3515 19 күн бұрын
I look forward to your videos but wish that you would test gear with more classical music. A few set reference recordings of full symphony orchestras, choral with orchestra, a capella choir and maybe string quartet and a wind chamber recordings. In case you don't especially like classical, the same few pieces in known good recordings could be used for the "chore" side of testing.
@cassettedecksresurrection7204
@cassettedecksresurrection7204 19 күн бұрын
Wharfadale Diamond 12.2 VS Elac Debut 3 ???
@abcd-fs2de
@abcd-fs2de 6 күн бұрын
The best reason to buy Debut was the front port.There is nearly no good speaker with the front bass reflex for us without space.
@editorjuno
@editorjuno 19 күн бұрын
It'd be nice if Elac provided detailed specs on that webpage....
@johnbeckmeyer1696
@johnbeckmeyer1696 19 күн бұрын
strange lapse of astethics - the tweeter surround/wave guide looks like it just hangs out in the air after it crosses the woofer. I can't believe it would have taken a lot to get the two drivers to merge cleanly where they cross into each other's space. It looks cheap.
@svalbard01
@svalbard01 19 күн бұрын
Designed by Andrew Jones replacement, JonesGPT.
@bilguana11
@bilguana11 19 күн бұрын
Designed in Germany by a brilliant engineer who puts Andrew Jones to shame.
@rags015
@rags015 19 күн бұрын
@@bilguana11 Who is he/she?
@bilguana11
@bilguana11 19 күн бұрын
@@rags015 ELAC told me at THESHOW in Costa Mesa. I just sent ELAC a message.
@bilguana11
@bilguana11 17 күн бұрын
​@@rags015 The Debut 3.0 acoustical designer was Skarff Keibach from their Germany office. The Debut 3.0 project was combination of folks from their R&D Facility in Toronto and Germany.
@AllHandlesHaveBeenTaken
@AllHandlesHaveBeenTaken 19 күн бұрын
I bought unify 5.2 on sale for my bookshelf and didn't like them. Kept my $50 Daytons instead and gave the 5.2s to my son. I like the look of these new speakers. I imagine they sound better than the unify 5.2
@StrangeBrewReviews
@StrangeBrewReviews 18 күн бұрын
Cerwin vega LA165 will give these the shakedown.
@kjer_afk
@kjer_afk 19 күн бұрын
but how do they do against a wall!? I want to buy these over the 2.0 or bs41 but not if they can't handle being against a wall
@danielgriffis9759
@danielgriffis9759 19 күн бұрын
Good question. My setup is in a small/medium sized br. Probably need speaker stands to experiment with positioning speakers😊
@thomasalexand
@thomasalexand 19 күн бұрын
Good question. Circumstances (her indoors) mean my speakers are on wall brackets.
@D1N02
@D1N02 18 күн бұрын
They should make a wood version, I don't want all that black in my interior.
@CADClicker
@CADClicker 11 күн бұрын
Do you always refer to the inside of where you live your interior
@hifiplants4330
@hifiplants4330 19 күн бұрын
Sound/ looks and price it’s really hard to beat the Vanguard Scouts. Hope you get to review it since you’re the cheap audio connoisseur.
@johnstone7697
@johnstone7697 19 күн бұрын
The little thing on the tweeter is known as a diffuser. It flattens the on axis frequency response in the higher frequencies, e.g., above 10kHz.
@paulgyro
@paulgyro 19 күн бұрын
Fyi, it's for phase correction not diffusion
@robertkensler2156
@robertkensler2156 19 күн бұрын
johnstone7697 your wrong
@johnstone7697
@johnstone7697 19 күн бұрын
@@paulgyro I worked at SEAS for 22 years and that's what it was called by our tweeter engineers, who designed some of the earliest metal dome tweeters on the market. So, given that you think you're smarter than they are, go ahead and explain to me what it does and how it works,.
@paulgyro
@paulgyro 18 күн бұрын
@@johnstone7697 hold your horses man, why are you attacking me personally?
@paulgyro
@paulgyro 18 күн бұрын
@@johnstone7697 additionally I just checked ELAC themselves call it a "Distinguishing Phase Plug". Look at near the bottom of the product page.
@kenneths.perlman1112
@kenneths.perlman1112 18 күн бұрын
So this or the Emotiva?
@ShankerPaarey
@ShankerPaarey 18 күн бұрын
Is this better than Polk R200? Coming to a year old and thinking of an upgrade.
@williamcanada6195
@williamcanada6195 18 күн бұрын
Thanks !! What about finishing ?!?
@RedSinter
@RedSinter 19 күн бұрын
That vail could be the Mike used in the recording and it's interaction with female voices. And not necessarily the speakers, but certainly possible. Do, how's the sound stage? The Depth and Breadth? I'd really be interested in their playing through your Italian Integrated. As that Integrated is known as even you mentioned has the ability to make Air...with Depth and Breadth...can it do wonders for the Elac 3's...
@peterbraatz5859
@peterbraatz5859 17 күн бұрын
I found the Advance Paris X-i75 in a used online market place in excellent condition + official bluettoth adapter for 2200€and try to get it . thats a bargain.
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