Bit nicer than our last jaunt together Ben !! Thanks for the great ride
@TheRidewithBenDelaney4 ай бұрын
Right? Sunshine>pouring rain, every time. Where are we going next? 😀
@RicardoRocha-lg1xo4 ай бұрын
Nice to see my two favorite independent cycling youtubers riding together
@davidarthur4 ай бұрын
@@TheRidewithBenDelaney I've been hatching a plan today...
@hcw1994 ай бұрын
@@RicardoRocha-lg1xoPaid shills more like.
@mogulmayhem4 ай бұрын
this route looks EPIC. you're living the cycling dream.
@bikeste4 ай бұрын
Agreed! Would you be willing to share the route? Strava file?
@Shadowboost2 ай бұрын
It's one of the best rides in the world
@calmenda4 ай бұрын
The San Francisco Bay area is so scenic and has amazing riding. This video captured it well.
@kokonanana14 ай бұрын
Just avoid Oakland!!!!
@tallasianmike4 ай бұрын
@@kokonanana1 the Oakland hills are great during the Spring time. But yes, the bad part is having to go through metro Oakland to reach it.
@Shadowboost2 ай бұрын
My favorite riding area that I've lived. Old La Honda/King's and Canada Rd for one day, a jaunt down the Bay Trail for another, then to SF across the bridge into Marin for the weekend. Ride to Santa Cruz for good measure. Glorious. Not even mentioning the amazing riding in Palo Alto/Los Gatos etc
@bradlandry24264 ай бұрын
Would love to see a comparison between this and something more down to earth like a Giant Defy. I love the stuff Enve is doing, but those prices are simple ludicrous.
@TheRidewithBenDelaney4 ай бұрын
The Defy has a bit more rear-end give/comfort thanks to the post, and - as you know - a considerably wider price range, starting at like $3,200 up to $12k. The new ones have internal routing, as is the trend. Defy is a touch shorter in stack.
@BrennanMoore4 ай бұрын
100%! It is tough to match wheels and tires for a fair comparison though. I was also looking at the Defy and found a used Time ADHX for like ~4k less than this frame. A bit racier geometry but similar capabilities. The fray is venom is beautiful though.
@seanmccuen69704 ай бұрын
I'd wager a top end Defy is every bit, and more, the versatile performance bike this ENVE is, and all at a price where you don't feel you got raked over the coals. I'd be riding a '21 model year Defy but for the fact that they stupidly don't sell that bike in a frame set only, and I wasn't going to purchase a whole bike just to swap out a bunch of stock parts for ones I wanted. I'd have built it specifically to go fast on road rides.
@TheBassallyear1004 ай бұрын
Enve provides an alternate top cap so that non Enve bars and stem can be run. the cables / hoses would only be external up to the point where they enter the head tube at the top cap.
@billyblanco81064 ай бұрын
Luuuv my 2018 Cipollini ALLRoad model with 40mm tire clearance, and with 2x Shimano DA Di2, and with Enve AR4.5 wheels. I've tried a variety of tire widths (28mm - 40mm) and brands, and have now settled on the Spec PathfinderPRO at 32 mm width...good for 'most all road surface conditions from smooth to rough-ish...nice to have a bike + tires that can do it all...😉
@jamiefarrell64964 ай бұрын
Nice touch adding the Q&A session, Ben - haven’t seen that approach elsewhere so kudos.
@WhaJMc4 ай бұрын
Recently got a Specialized Roubaix SL8 Comp which I put on a 400mm FSA K-wing AGX gravel bar and carbon wheelset with 34mm Vittoria Corsa N.EXT tyres. In this set up it is the perfect bike for me. If we're honest I think that most older guys (I'm 56) should be riding bikes like this.
@larryt.atcycleitalia57864 ай бұрын
"FSA K-wing AGX gravel bar" Worst handlebar ever! Can't wait until the replacment parts arrive so I can get rid of that thing!!!
@trust597716 күн бұрын
I ordered a Fray this week. It will replace my 2015 Domane. I already have a dedicated gravel bike, so I plan to run the low range on the tire width spectrum. I hope I made a good choice with the Fray.
@markreams31924 ай бұрын
35’s are my go to for daily riding. There are a lot of bad roads and chip seal in Southern California and they work well for hard pack gravel around here. I have a second set of wheels with 28’s but use them only for specific rides which is not often. It sounds like Enve hit a sweet spot!
@thatguy90514 ай бұрын
Enve needs to GIVE you that bike for such an awsome video!
@hardmtnbiker4 ай бұрын
Yesterday I rode a Century on my custom Seven Evergreen with 700x36c Challenge Strata Bianca. I personally loved it. Last year I rode dozens of Centuries and long distance mixed road rides on 700x38,700x40 and 700x42 tires. I’m so happy to be on these 36c tires, it was so smooth and comfortable, plus faster paced than my bigger tires.
@thisisobvious4 ай бұрын
140 mi ride, hell of a day, must have been very enjoyable
@carlchambers6174 ай бұрын
Just bought a Canyon Endurace last summer, with what seemed at the time to be huge clearance for up to 35 mm tires. I love my Canyon and I got an astonishingly good deal on it, but I do admit to a bit of Enve for the new crop of endurance bikes with even greater clearance. For the riding I do, such a bike with two sets of wheels, one set up with 30 mm road tires and the second set up with 38 mm gravel tires would go a long ways toward being a one bike quiver killer.
@Sharpetz4 ай бұрын
One of my favorite areas to ride! Bridge north to Marin area is just so good.
@Shadowboost2 ай бұрын
The whole Bay has amazing riding
@robbchastain30364 ай бұрын
You are living the dream, Ben, beautiful. Thanks for showing us your ride down the coast and I'm just glad it wasn't foggy in Pacifica that day. 😀
@jimhansen53954 ай бұрын
Longer wheelbase isn't going to have any noticeable (if any at all) negative effect on straight ahead speed. The potential negative impact is in low speed handling (sharp turns at low speed specifically).
@BrianRPaterson4 ай бұрын
Lovely looking rig. A bit too rich for my blood, but I appreciate its existence! Tell Dave I said "Hi." Cheers
@truemarmalade4 ай бұрын
Good to see and pass y’all on the road! 😉 🐢
@TheRidewithBenDelaney4 ай бұрын
Bravo, sir!
@terrillford77844 ай бұрын
Ben living the dream life. Great video brother
@ledoov4 ай бұрын
I actually ride plenty rough roads and light gravel on the Melee with 32C tires. Works a charm. However had the FRAY been out before the melee I'd have chosen the Fray for my needs.
@stefanodirector4 ай бұрын
Thanks Ben, this Fray is really tempting me. I'd love if you put it up Vs the Bridge Surveyor ...
@TheRidewithBenDelaney4 ай бұрын
Need to get on a Bridge. Been chatting with those folks; just haven’t made it happen yet.
@jamesong26724 ай бұрын
This is the bike that makes me wanna sell my Aethos to get this. After suffering from herniated disc, I need a bike with higher stack and short reach. Although I might not be able to slam the stem on the Fray but one spacer still looks good on the Fray.
@RicardoRocha-lg1xo4 ай бұрын
I have no intention to buy that bike (nor the budget to), but Idefinitely enjoyed watching this video.
@sccxvelo4 ай бұрын
All road is the new endurance bikes/climbing bikes; light weight, relaxed geo, and more tire width then aero road race bikes.. Use my CX bikes for everyday for years use not just racing with 40 max in rear depending on tread/rim combos. Amazing when disc came in it freed up so much in designs and made drop bar frame style choice easier in ways based on tube shape or max allowed tire width.
@larryt.atcycleitalia57864 ай бұрын
Yep, kinda/sorta the same bike pros raced on in the 1970's. Any vintage bike event in Italy will remind you that the whole gravel/allroad thing is simply being recycled for a new generation. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just that it's not the "newest-latest" thing the bike biz would like us all to believe.
@tmayberry75594 ай бұрын
Cx sits in the middle and In my opinion the ultimate all road bike 😊
@tpawlicki4 ай бұрын
First bike in a while that has me wanting to switch back to carbon. I ride 45mm slicks (Challenge) and keep up with my friends on 28s no problem. But that’s on gravel geo. Road focused geo with big tire clearance is perfect.
@tpawlicki4 ай бұрын
Rolling resistance is with maybe 10watts. But being comfortable enough to ride longer will give you so much more fitness in the long run.
@gearsofmedicine4 ай бұрын
Fantastic video as always, beautiful ride; my favourite place. Joined the newsletter. Funny enough - GCN had an interview regarding cardiac health and cycling recently with MRIs; many points to expand on if you are interested from a medical aspect regarding heart considerations for cycling that may be of relevance to your audience, get in touch. Awesome videos and good luck at Sea Otter.
@treyquattro4 ай бұрын
nice review of a nice bike in a great environment. The Melee vs Fray question was useful: thanks to that questioner. It'd be good to know the weight of this particular Fray build w/ SRAM Red.
@marvinkamei70074 ай бұрын
cycling a gentle way to get older!! long /hard days in the saddle
@mikejackson19494 ай бұрын
Great looking bike, just wished they'd fitted hidden eyelets for full guards (fenders) for those of us that ride in the wetter parts of the world, especially in the winter months.
@againthebegin4 ай бұрын
Mog works for that. It’s plenty quick set up for road also.
@mikejackson19494 ай бұрын
I stand corrected, just seen one in my LBS and they do have hidden eyelets!!! Now officially on the want list.
@emetzger4 ай бұрын
whether bikes or places to live, you get what you pay for. welcome to town.
@ketle3694 ай бұрын
What took you so long? David Arthur’s video has been up for a long long time now. 😂 only kidding, great video man.
@TheRidewithBenDelaney4 ай бұрын
Right? Dude keeps putting me in my place… 😁
@terrillford77844 ай бұрын
Hey Ben, what has been your favorite bike so far this year that you have tested?
@scottk87694 ай бұрын
I was surprised how similar the geometry of the rear triangle is to the Mog. Front center is longer on the Mog but I think a shorter stem and small spacer would put you in the same position as the Fray. How different would the handling be? I think the compromise might be worth it for the larger tire clearance and more versatility.
@philheiman70094 ай бұрын
Nice video, Ben. What tire pressures were you running for this ride? And approx system weight, if you don’t mind?
@echtogammut4 ай бұрын
You must be sleeping. How can you upload a day after Dave Arthur? :) I did this route many years ago, this makes me miss that aspect of living in California.
@witepa4 ай бұрын
Mill Valley != Marin. Bay Bridge != Golden Gate Bridge.
@Trissb1988--4 ай бұрын
7:30 Where the rubber meets the road.
@hanswolters17814 ай бұрын
Ben, how does this compare to the Custom Road that we both know so well?
@shawrx4 ай бұрын
Could it pull double duty as a road and CX bike if you put some CX specific tires on it?
@gc6414 ай бұрын
Nice bike
@carlosmcintyre36394 ай бұрын
Have you ridden the Allied Echo? If so, how do they compare? The Echo has been on my shortlist, but the Fray has now peaked my interest.
@TheRidewithBenDelaney4 ай бұрын
I have not, no. As you know, the Echo can flip the geo, which this bike cannot. Longtime cycling editor Josh Patterson loved the Echo for its versatility.
@carlosmcintyre36394 ай бұрын
@@TheRidewithBenDelaney, thanks for the reply and for the continued great content.
@FliskerX4 ай бұрын
Regarding the fat tire conversation, if I want to go bigger than 28 on race/road bike, let's say 32mm, do I need a special wide wheel and if so what would be the example? Even ERC wheels from DT SWISS with 22mm internal rim are "only" 28.5mm outer rim. So do people who want to run 32mm on road bike, run gravel wheels ? Could someone help me make sense of this ? I keep reading that the ratio should be 1.05 for optimal aero performance, but can't find 31mm outer rim hooked "race" wheels :(
@nelsonglover39634 ай бұрын
What about all the 25mm internal rims? Bontrager do them, as do loads of brands in a variety of depths. Also, its such a marginal gain, I wouldn't stress, just run the 32s. Also with a 32 the pressures are low enough that hookless is fine
@seanmccuen69704 ай бұрын
check out the Parcours Ronde wheel set. 1400gr. 'all road' type wheel, approx. 31.5mm outer width. perfect for 30-32mm tires.
@Thomas-fy9yc4 ай бұрын
And people wonder why we tolerate the high cost of living, can ride this everyday 😊
@TheRidewithBenDelaney4 ай бұрын
I can’t afford to live out there or to own that bike - but I sure do enjoy the opportunity to taste test the good life! 😁✌️
@bobfoster6874 ай бұрын
What’s the wind like along the coast?
@DogDude4all4 ай бұрын
How is the handlebar/cable setup to travel with?
@TheRidewithBenDelaney4 ай бұрын
For me it was super easy: the ENVE guys drove it out fully built from Utah, then I handed it back to them in Carmel. 😁
@Handletaken44 ай бұрын
A mechanical nightmare. Last week guy brought in Giant Defy. The wizards at Giant ran cables through the frame! Water got in. Hour later all cables replaced and housing plus hour labor $165.
@ketle3694 ай бұрын
van der Poel smashing through the cobbles of Paris-Robaix on an aero bike with 32 mm showed that the all-road bike category is already dead. The climbing bike is also dead as the aero bikes are now getting very light. With 32 mm tires it’s no problem to ride poor tarmac and also hard packed gravel, and cobbles without any issues. I think it would benefit the bike industry to make things less complicated. There should be race bikes (ie aero bikes) and there should be endurance bikes with 50mm clearance, mounts for fenders and bike packing. Would make it much easier for cyclists to choose a bike.
@stefankucher10814 ай бұрын
Everyone is a MvdP, you are right….😆
@korsveien4 ай бұрын
@@stefankucher1081 With 35 mm or more tire clearance you don't need a dedicated cobbles bike. 99% of dampening is in the tires.
@jaycycles104 ай бұрын
Just out of curiosity, what size Fray were you riding?
@TheRidewithBenDelaney4 ай бұрын
56
@motomoto8984 ай бұрын
What does it weigh? Is it a light bike? Easy on the climbs?
@tirrellpoole23494 ай бұрын
Is there any way to get the route you took ?
@TheRidewithBenDelaney4 ай бұрын
strava.app.link/fA5sB8UpWIb
@rdd63663 ай бұрын
Hooooooot
@justinofboulder4 ай бұрын
Uninspiring colors and boutique pricing are the biggest turn offs for me. I enjoy looking at exotic cars, but drive a Honda (that bought used)...
@craigpavia89433 ай бұрын
Carbon bike reviews are so strange. It really should be a fit video followed by a rundown of the wheels/tires, then other "touch points" since the frames are all the SAME!!!!
@bobfoster6874 ай бұрын
Dylan Johnson has done tests and 47 mm tires are faster!
@seanmccuen69704 ай бұрын
lolol, yeah, sure they aren't.
@ChrisWright20004 ай бұрын
..with his hat on backwards!
@kmmntrls4 ай бұрын
looks like a citybike
@GHinWI4 ай бұрын
Enve board room circa 2018: “hear me out guys…we build the factory in China, but we put the name Enve on it and try to hide where it was made. They’ll still pay a ton for it. Hahahahaha”
@harrisr.79794 ай бұрын
Appearances wise, doesn’t inspire 😢
@jeremysweeten27924 ай бұрын
Old Aspire paint scheme
@ozgurinsan4 ай бұрын
Just another overpriced generic bike.
@charlesmansplaining4 ай бұрын
Internal cable routing is not for me especially on a bike I would consider using for long endurance adventure riding. The Ritchey Montebello Randonneur would be my choice. I'm not a fan of carbon bikes after all the bad experiences I've had with them. I'll leave those to the cool guys with big egos to fulfill.
@seanmccuen69704 ай бұрын
great, so you like heavy, conservative bikes that double as mules for 'adventure' cycling. too much excitement for me.
@charlesmansplaining4 ай бұрын
@@seanmccuen6970 Good. Just shows me you aren't my kind of people.
@seanmccuen69704 ай бұрын
@@charlesmansplaining oh! that stings. 'we got us a live one here'. bahahaha!
@jason-fc4iq4 ай бұрын
This allroad is lost on me. If you want wider than road, just get a proper gravel bike, which is actually all roads
@andretim754 ай бұрын
Haha -- the "Democrats"-California is most definitely not a state , where chemtrailing and any kind of artificial weather manipulation is forbidden or in any way restricted ...