New Evidence Suggests...THERE IS FINALLY HOPE FOR PAPER MARIO

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With the imminent release of the Thousand Year Door remake and Nintendo sending out surveys asking Paper Mario fans very particular questions about characters and mechanics, it feels like there is finally hope for the series.
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[@ArloStuff]

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[@themarioking1873]

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[@JoshTheWoz]

You left chips there for 8 years

[@ComicalStudios75]

I'm one of the 20% of people who believed the remake would be possible, and being someone who has played PM64 on NSO, bought a WII just to play SPM, and watching people cry during Nintendo Directs to a game I know nothing about, I AM SO IMPATIENT TO FINALLY PLAY TTYD. THIS IS LITERALLY TAKING FOREVER

[@johannesgutenburg9837]

truly pitiful shilling. thank god for sponsorblock

[@AkuTenshiiZero]

2021 gave us Metroid Dread, the sequel Arlo always wanted. 2022 gave us Pokemon Legends, the new style of Pokemon Arlo always wanted. 2023 gave us Pikmin 4, the other sequel Arlo always wanted 2024 is giving us Paper Mario TTYD, the rerelease Arlo always wanted I'm just saying, check your refrigerator for microphones, Arlo. Or at least next time you grab a yogurt, whisper something about wanting a Wind Waker rerelease.

[@CalebWillden]

😆

[@squidmcbumbleberry2766]

Windwaker HD is now closer in time to the original Windwaker releasing than today

[@IAmNotASandwich453]

and dont forget Metroid Prime 2 and 3 Remastered

[@twilightlord9950]

And Twilight Princess rerelease

[@5095smf]

2025 will give us a new Pokemon Legends game too

[@stevengc125]

Arlo getting a Thousand Year Door remake after all he's been through with the series is my favorite anime arc.

[@dragon1130]

It's mine too, and so relatable to me a s person. Whoever write this story arc must really REALLY love Paper Mario... perhaps even more than I do.

[@palmer.jake1]

Hollywood wishes they could write scripts this good

[@chrisshadowfox5643]

Did that anime arc start with Arlo getting Pikmin 4 too!?

[@squirrellboy21]

What has arlo been through?

[@theruoc147]

Now they just need to announce a new ttyd style paper mario and we’ll get UI Super Arlo

[@alliesangalli1757]

3:40 Fun Fact: Super Paper Mario was originally a GameCube game before being moved to the Wii. So, it's possible part of the reason it was so different from TTYD was that there was already an RPG on the system. Then the survey caused a total shift in mindset.

[@Mr_Magolor]

Yeah. I kind of feel like the game was just meant to be a fun spin-off of the spin-off but ended up becoming so big that it became the next main entry. And then that and the survey ended up giving Nintendo a... questionable new perspective on the series.

[@spennywenny]

I'm of the opinion that if it was viewed as a spinoff, it would've gotten like 4 sequels already. But no, it was unfairly compared to TTYD and 64.

[@DarkMeridian0]

Super Paper mario was so different because thats how mario games have always been made. 1 base game, 1 game to expand upon mechanics. PM64 and TTYD were a pair, just as Mario 1 and lost levels , Mario 3 and Mario World , mario 64 and sunshine were pairs. I'd say we would have gotten a Super Paper Mario companion, but the director quit / left the team shortly after the first game. I forget where I read that. I dug deep on this topic in like 2015

[@complainer406]

SPM was probably the beginning of the "rules" imposed on the series There's no characters based on mario enemies because we're in a new dimension with completely different residents Playable characters are all classic mario characters, with their classic abilities (peach floats, bowser breathes fire, Luigi jumps high) Most of the rpg gameplay elements were removed, as the turn-based combat was dropped for a more classic mario platforming style It seems like they were attempting to stretch the rules where they could, but still conforming to modifying the mario ip as little as possible

[@SuperMarioT]

The fact it's not even about the existence of Thousand-Year Door's remake now, Nintendo's actively trying to ask us about Paper Mario. AND, Mario & Luigi is ALSO put in theirs and our minds with these surveys tells me they actually are making an effort and might change Paper Mario's direction as well as keep RPG & M&L an active IP in some respect. This is such a massive 180 from 3 years ago. It's so comforting and so surreal, I'm so happy.

[@coltonk.3086]

ME TOO DUDE.

[@tommyh8462]

Me too, I'll be begging my friends to buy this game for sure

[@crichie21]

So exciting

[@something1558]

Fr I need bowser's inside story 2 bro

[@directorjake]

Dude, I need more Mario and Luigi!

[@Horst_Radish]

My mom who hasn’t played a video game in over 10 years is thinking about getting a Switch just to play Thousand year door remake makes me think it will sell at least well.

[@AK_804]

That’s dumb, it’s cheaper to get it on the gamecube

[@mariobroultimate1808]

@@AK_804 No it's not, dude. Game sells for $499.99 on eBay. Assuming she got a Switch Lite, she'd only be paying half of that for both the console and the game. Also, even if it was cheaper, let people get this remake for the sake of reliving this classic game in HD, and letting our voices be heard by Nintendo. Do you want Nintendo to see that we want more games like this, or not?

[@johnmarkson1990]

@@AK_804 getting nintendo to stop reselling old games for $60 is impossible. it will never happen. getting nintendo to make a good paper mario again is easily possible. the last one was a step in the right direction. this remake selling a bunch of switches + the game is another step we must take.

[@VelvetAura]

This is making me feel old af. Kinda love it

[@johnmehlman5195]

​paying over a thousand for a copy of ttyd and a gamecube aint cheaper then 300 for a switch and an extra 60 for the remake@@AK_804

[@Dingalow]

That's insane that Club Nintendo surveys were taken to heart. They were mostly just people mashing the keyboard for every answer because all they wanted was Star points

[@CalebWillden]

That...actually makes a lot of sense as to why they might get such skewed results! I never thought of that. Even though I probably did that myself with those surveys for some games here and there. 😅

[@wumpyjumps]

Even if they ignored those answers, the way they ask the question makes a big difference. Like if its an open-ended question about what people like about Super Paper Mario, people will think of the gimmicks that make it stand out from the rest, not generally the thing they expect from a Paper Mario (story, unique characters, etc.)

[@Dingalow]

@@wumpyjumps At the very least they could have looked up reviews or something lol

[@ValseInstrumentalist]

I would say that I, too, sold my soul just to get a pack of Mario-themed hanafuda cards... but I actually answered the surveys patiently and honestly.

[@rainpooper7088]

That explains why nobody mentioned the story, people who haven't actually played the game or only played it for a very short time to take the survey for a reward would never expect a story in a MARIO game of all things. Of course they'd instead list things like "gameplay" and "Paper stuff".

[@pigeonlord64]

Vote with our wallets people. Let make sure Nintendo knows we want THIS kind of Paper Mario game.

[@coltonk.3086]

Amen.

[@bluetoadettethegoddess6104]

You're absolutely right, and if it sells nearly as well if not better than Super Mario RPG, then it'll be right, but man I can't shake the feeling of how that sentiment "vote with your wallet" has been thrown around so many times, and never once have I seen anything come of it

[@Gold_Yoshi]

@@bluetoadettethegoddess6104 My guess is that people don't listen, care, and/or know that's an option

[@Novoxis]

Already pre-ordered!

[@theonewhowrotethis5681]

Had to pre-order it again after Amazon ditched my original order (same with Luigi's Mansion 2 HD and Endless Ocean). I ain't missing this remake (despite already owning the GameCube version) since I wanna see more games in this style.

[@Reinoiro]

Just seeing thousand year door gameplay with that switch lighting warms my heart like nothing else

[@thedastone1939]

Both versions are good.

[@maddosshmillore]

The video should have ended with Arlo saying “Dear Nintendo, I’m ready” To parallel The problem with Paper Mario’s first line “Dear Nintendo, I’m done”

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

"Dear Nintento, my body is ready."

[@mediaconsumption3972]

Maybe he'll do something like this at the end of the review if he sees this comment

[@maddosshmillore]

@@mediaconsumption3972 Yes! It would be a very fitting end to the Dark age of Paper Mario Arlo videos

[@HenshinFanatic]

​@@youtubeuniversity3638 beat me to the correction.

[@quizlaire]

When I was playing Super Paper Mario, I wasn't a fan of the flipside NPCs, and I thought, "Dang, can't there just be a toad or something in this game?" I jinxed us good. It was all me guys, I'm sorry.

[@SilverSnook7966]

Funny because as a kid those very npcs got me to quit the game since "they didn't feel Mario enough". I later went back as a teenager and loved it lol

[@PC2000]

Honestly, I'd take a generic Toad over those weird flipside NPCs.

[@prismason]

​@@PC2000i agree super paper mario has the ugliest character designs i've ever had the displeasure of seeing

[@NuggetLord1]

​​@@prismason At least the SPM character had more personality than a stupid toad screaming about some princess being in another castle. Also, I don't feel as though toads would fit the wacky esthetic of which is present in SPM.

[@Finkster5]

The SPM rogue's gallery (the main villains) are all great. All the other minor characters kinda suck. I don't like their visual designs and I don't feel like they exist in a believable world. IIRC they also mostly just give you tutorial text, making them feel even less like real people. Then there's the non-character pixl partners, and Peach and Bowser being poor replacements for actual new partners. Throw in monotonous gameplay and it's a game I'm very torn on. Ofc, the solution to this problem is not "throw all the story and characters in the trash" it's "make a better game with better story and chars" lol.

[@olburgle2841]

I can never get tired of Arlo talking about Paper Mario and 8 years later, I still savor feeling vindicated about this series.

[@amateraceon5202]

For a game like Thousand Year Door, a series history like Paper Mario's, and a fan like Arlo, having everything converge into this one moment truly is the opportunity of a millenium.

[@coltonk.3086]

Friendly reminder that the pre-orders for physical copies of the Thousand Year Door on Amazon sold out to the point that now they have to cancel some of them because (I would think it's likley) there are too many orders to fill!! That's not confirmed, but it's my best guess as to why.

[@KevinAccetta]

What..?! I didn't even realize they were already on Amazon. I need to get on that

[@theonewhowrotethis5681]

Yeah, I'm miffed about that as I pre-ordered the game there as soon as it became available (same with Luigi's Mansion 2 HD and Endless Ocean Luminous) and got hit with the cancellation hammer. Had to go over to another retailer to grab the games. Probably will go elsewhere for Nintendo videogames at this point.

[@theonewhowrotethis5681]

@@KevinAccetta It's too late to grab them from there at this point. I had to swap to Best Buy after my Amazon orders got canned (wanted TTYD, LM2HD, and Endless Ocean, but all 3 of my pre-orders got canned).

[@zeroofthewest]

They have been having switch game issues for ages now. I have had several pre-orders pushed out or canceled despite having the order in asap. I had to make the switch to Bestbuy. Now my stuff actually shows up on time.

[@whippedcreamm_]

Is there anywhere else to pre-order a copy? I looked on Amazon as soon as the release date was confirmed and it had already been sold out

[@GB_256]

11:55 I think what happened with the Club Nintendo survey for Super Paper Mario was that the people who filled it out just didn't care about the survey. They just wanted to get their reward coins for Club Nintendo, so they just clicked on whatever was the quickest option and typed as little as possible to get through the survey faster (Heck, I'm willing to bet some people did the survey first before playing the game) so they could cash in on their coins for Club Nintendo rewards... ...without realizing that they were kinda meant to take the survey seriously since...you know.

[@Namingway248]

Any professional level data collection accounts for that segment of people though. often times, the amount of time spent on questions and the proportion of answers that were simply the quickest to select are pieces of data kept on hand to get more realistic data. Depending on many factors, some surveys even check for specific data that is conflicting or nonsensical and throw out that person's responses entirely.

[@Christoph8]

This enrages me.

[@squiddu]

​@@Namingway248The website's supposed poor performance back then may tell me maybe this wasn't a concern of them back then. the fact the results gave back such a minuscule percentage tells me there's no feasible way nearly every genuine response didn't care for the stories.

[@nickolias7292]

I took part in this survey. I had multiple accounts (for the free Kid Icarus ar cards) and clicked the first option on every question

[@Antasma1]

@@Namingway248Which makes it much more frustrating if the comment is true

[@CommanderZaktan]

To be fair on Super Paper Mario, it was built on TTYD's Bowser's segments and was originally going to be on the Gamecube. Also, at least it has some RPG elements like leveling up.

[@theco-efficientguy6788]

But its the total switch from rpg to platforming that made it so controversial, not saying its a bad game its not, but for many of the fans that were getting used to ppm having rpg as the norm. It was a surprise, to say the least, that they switched to platforming

[@richardkirkland6805]

​@@theco-efficientguy6788I always thought that Super was supposed to be a spinoff.

[@snailofkale]

the levelup system is so bad and this is coming from someone who has dedicated 3 years of their life to SPM. if you do the first trial pit it makes every boss afterwards piss easy even if you avoid using bowser entirely. i am not a religious man but i pray every day that they remake it and address its flaws. (it being a platformer is not one of those flaws. i am firm on this. i am making a video to discuss its genuine flaws which i will hopefully release by june.)

[@wesjryan]

The story really saves this game. Not that the gameplay is that bad.

[@snailofkale]

@@wesjryan gameplay is decent! not becoming of a mario game but certainly passable! story was so good it gave me depression and made me gay and trans

[@jakethedragonymaster1235]

Theres a lot of bots in this comment section and its just...funny in a strange way seeing these "seductive" profiles ask all these questions...to a blue monster popping off about a stationary italian coming home

[@koolkrafter5]

You're looking for the word stationery. Stationary means it doesn't move.

[@adora_was_taken]

@@koolkrafter5 nah, he's just really lazy

[@jakethedragonymaster1235]

​@RealDanteS01 Woah, I...didn't know there was a spelling difference! That might actually help me later, thank you! Though one can argue if insisting on not returning to an old battle system was "stationary" as well as "stationery" hehe

[@WillJohnson321]

They're here for the hot, single, Italian hero returning home after years of turmoil. He's everything they look for.

[@SliderGamer55]

I think TTYD being remade made me far more interested in playing Origami King, since I can now see it as "flawed but interesting video game" and not "exhibit A that they'll never make a fourth Paper Mario that could be one of my favorite video games". My other interesting thought about TTYD is I feel like younger people who love modern kid's cartoons ala your Gravity Falls and your Owl Houses are gonna go nuts for this game. I assume Undertale fans too to an extent. It has that type of mix of comedic yet serious, creative energy that I think a lot of people are gonna really love (in a way that's different from even SMRPG).

[@josemembreno3134]

i agree with you completely!! SO many people would be WAY less upset about the modern paper marios if they were truly their own thing that released ALONGSIDE "main" releases, rather than complete and utter replacements with no hope in sight for what got people invested to begin with. i feel like the paper mario debate sort of misses the point a lot of the time. it was never about which one was better, and all about there being no good reason to completely trash the original style and turn it into something it was never meant to be. if devil may cry had become a 2D platformer, people would've been livid, because why the hell would you turn devil may cry into a god damn 2D platformer? the new games have their merits, but they're only visible to a completely separate demographic. those people deserve to have their game, too. keyword being "too", and not "instead". (your observation about younger demographics is very interesting to me as well! i definitely think you may be right about that. i certainly hope so. i have to wonder if thousand-year door is perhaps lacking in the comedy department compared to something like origami king, though, and so would attract less of that crowd.)

[@kenji6492]

Now you’re making me want an Owl House RPG

[@nyon7209]

​@@josemembreno3134 I haven't played Origami King, so I don't know what it's humor is like, but TTYD's brand of humor is the same kind of absurdist-played-straight that most people Millennial or younger love. Exhibit A: Thwomp Game Show

[@maddosshmillore]

This is the video I’ve been waiting for ever since the remake got announced

[@nova338]

I literally gasped when i saw the background. That was the video that introduced me to Arlo all those years ago. I wish we could say that we had a new (good) new Paper Mario, but if I could tell my younger self that we have bug fables and TWO remakes to look forward to... and honestly the survey too! We finally have hope

[@binxthebinx6575]

Man, I really hope they don't send that survey to the wrong people...

[@ptanker9236]

Only professionals got the survey, so hopefully they get the idea right…

[@philipp_mayr]

@@ptanker9236Professionals of which profession?

[@ptanker9236]

@@philipp_mayr Because only a few selected people got to use the survey, so figure that out for yourself.

[@tastethepainbow]

I think the question asking about even side characters like Toads behaving and looking different than usual is the big point that the Big N is listening to us. I can't believe we're actually living in a new era of creativity for many Mario spinoffs. Now if only the sports games can recieve the same treatment.

[@SharpEdgeSoda]

Paper Mario is, behind the scenes, still the "true sequel" to Super Mario RPG. Now that doesn't means elements of it can't return. Who says we can't see a Paper Mallow? Who says Paper Mario can't do 2 partners like SMRPG (and Bug Fables!)? We might see Peach and/or Bowser return as partners (like Super). Maybe Paper Mario Bros can bring Luigi in and have them do Paper Bros Moves!

[@matthewmuir8884]

Whether or not there can be a Paper Mallow depends on whether or not Square Enix would allow it; Square Enix owns the characters that were created for Super Mario RPG.

[@totalradlad]

I'd argue that Mario and Luigi is more of a sequel. It was made by ex-Square employees, it has the same composer, it has a lot of the same wacky elements, and Geno even briefly showed up in Superstar Saga. The original Mario RPG is still very different from the other games, though, so I hope it gets a full, true sequel one day.

[@theonewhowrotethis5681]

@@totalradlad Originally Paper Mario on the N64 was going to be developed by SquareSoft (at least that was Nintendo's intentions). However, because SquareSoft was busy with Final Fantasy VII at the time, Intelligent Systems took up the mantle of developing the game. So Nintendo intended for Paper Mario to be a follow-up to Super Mario RPG, but Square being busy led to Paper Mario being its own thing under IS. Mario & Luigi does feel like Super Mario RPG at times, but interviews stated that it's biggest influence was Paper Mario due to gameplay (field abilities, having 2 people fighting at once, etc.), tone (Paper Mario 1 is a bit more lighthearted than Super Mario RPG while M&L is even more lighthearted [besides Partners in Time at times]), and graphics (cartoony instead of clay figurines). Yoshihiko Maekawa did direct both Super Mario RPG (along with Chihiro Fujioka) and Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, so there are definitely similarities there. I do hope that the Switch remake of Super Mario RPG gets a sequel, however. ArtePiazza did a solid job with the game (as they did with the various remakes of classic Square and Enix remakes like the DS Zenithian Trilogy remakes for Dragon Quest, the remakes of Romancing SaGa 2 & 3, the 3DS remake of DQ7, and the 2D mode of DQ11).

[@retrofan4963]

@@theonewhowrotethis5681 Yep. That and I believe SquareSoft shifting from SNES to PS1 has something to do with why they didn't develop a Mario RPG sequel on N64. Lot of 3rd party companies including Square are turned off by the fact Nintendo still uses cartridges for N64, especially since N64 cartridges don't have much space in comparison to PS1's CDs, which is more convenient for Square to work on their huge games like Final Fantasy 7. And that same goes for lot of other 3rd party developers. Which means that if Nintendo decided to go with CDs on the N64, there's a possibility Square will develop Super Mario RPG 2 there at some point, who knows.

[@kingsmithgaming8726]

As someone who has never had the chance to play Thousand Year Door but has played both 64 and Super Paper Mario. I am unbelievably excited, Paper Mario 64 was the first video game I ever played, and now I get to play the sequel after waiting so long.

[@tommyh8462]

I played Super first and later on got around to playing 64, so I was incredibly excited to play TTYD for the first time and it did not disappoint

[@Scribble2345]

same lol

[@aaronTGP_3756]

​@@tommyh8462Same situation. Never finished SPM, though.

[@tommyh8462]

@@aaronTGP_3756 You should if you get the chance! The ending was one of the best parts!

[@jaebeeart3683]

If you like the first one, you're gonna friggin love TYD. It's easily one of the best Mario games Nintendo has ever put out.

[@22Vnnami]

Enjoying Sticker Star is like enjoying plain Greek yogurt with a single strawberry slice in it.

[@Wario1382]

Lmao I enjoyed Sticker Star. Wasn't enjoyable enough to replay though

[@ChewedBubbleGun]

Enjoying sticker star is like enjoying plain greek yogurt with a pint of glue added, and a single strawberry slice (Ice world)

[@shanehimes3113]

Nothing tops an Arlo Paper Mario video.

[@ptanker9236]

SuperMarioT is better than Arlo

[@glitchm.c.9931]

@@ptanker9236both, both are good

[@ptanker9236]

@@glitchm.c.9931 You didn’t even watch him, he’s too underrated

[@nekonomicon2983]

Been here since the not my paper mario video way back. Kinda just seeing it to the end now.

[@GeoshiTheRed]

SuperMarioT says hi.

[@tyg-zw7nn]

I can prolly tell you what the issue was with these surveys. They only ever let you pick "UP TO 5" out of like 12. and even if Story is one of the options... I'd probably select 5 gameplay related ones... maybe not consider that leaving out the story checkmark, would give Nintendo a false idea... I WANT TO CHECK ALL THE BOXES GODDAMNIT.

[@Daniel6254]

The most important five

[@DaNintendude]

Keep in mind that this was the _first_ Mario game on the Wii, and the trailers were marketing it's 2D to 3D mechanics. Lots of newcomers and returning Nintendo veterans probably bought the game thinking about the classic Super Mario platformers. They might've liked the story regardless, but they probably cared more about the gameplay. Quickly filling out a survey for rewards means they're gonna pick what stands out. And I'd assume most of that demographic did not really care about the story too strongly.

[@GenoRiolu]

@@DaNintendude hes talking about the current ones, the EU only ones. they have notes on them that say, "you may choose *up to five* aspects." out of a list of roughly 12, one being a "none of the above" option.

[@DaNintendude]

@@GenoRioluThat explains why so many comments are mentioning the surveys. I definitely thought that was weird, lol I remember spending hours filling out old Club Nintendo surveys, yet I don't remember much about them. So I got caught up in the fact that someone somehow remembered the way the "choose all--" segments of the surveys worked.

[@nekonomicon2983]

They want to know what to prioritize. Er at least what fans want them to prioritize.

[@jamescostigan5765]

I will say that I heard Super Paper Mario was different because it was being developed for the Game Cube and they didn't do an RPG because they already had Thousand Year Door.

[@LazyGardenGamer]

Man. I found your channel through some zelda related stuff, but was very quickly recommended your Paper Mario videos, and thats why I stuck around and subbed. Paper Mario: TTYD is my favorite Mario game of all time. After moving out of my parents place, i had my copy stolen, and a few years later, I paid an exorbitant amount of money at a retro gaming store to get another copy. I have that one still, but i very rarely hook up my Wii to play it with my GameCube controller. I still havent given The Origami King a chance, but you're the reason why I've purchased Bug Fables. This was definitely the continuation of the Paper Mario style RPG that I've been waiting for. Seeing this TTYD remake announced feels like a dream. Having TTYD on Switch, readily available to play whenever and wherever i want is just mind blowing. THERE IS HOPE FOR PAPER MARIO!! And i cannot wait to play the best game once more❤

[@66Nore]

All it took was sacrificing that creep Chuggaaconroy and making Arlo the Paper Mario czar to bring hope back to the series.

[@thegreygoblin5165]

Chugga went on his feet pic pilgrimage, leaving his poor wife behind

[@loftwyng131]

Still really sad about it though :(

[@gavin_bigred]

💀💀💀

[@TomSig]

Chuggaa did nothing wrong. I’ll die on this fucking hill.

[@ReddKnight10]

@@TomSigI’m sorry but I think you’re just telling on yourself. He was a massive creep. If that’s okay with you then you do you but I don’t think it’s okay to just completely disregard everyone he’s hurt. I used to be a huge Chuggaa fan but after hearing all the things he’s done I just can’t be behind him anymore.

[@diegoparga9324]

(6:59) mysterious department? That has “Miyamoto” written all over.

[@mitwhitgaming7722]

I'm so excited. I watched Dan's playthrough of the whole game on PlayFrame last year.

[@Gunnarman5000]

I played the first paper mario with my mom when it came out, i was still learning to read at that point and we used paper mario to help/make me want to learn. Later when TTYD came out we played it together, and i still remember how much she wanted to complete the 100 floors and bone dragon, she tried for weeks but never stop trying, her in endurance for completing the goal she set has always stuck with me. I cant wait to get back in there and do it myself.

[@SuperCrazyfin]

I really REALLY hope we get a Super remake too!

[@OChunks]

That would truly be a dream come true!

[@Minas425]

The only thing missing now is that Nintendo gives us hope for new Mario & Luigi games!

[@wolfythyalphapiratewolf2015]

Super Paper Mario is one of my favorite games. Though I haven't fully beat it. I love it.

[@MrWeirdGuy]

Reading those survey options got me all tingly. Are we... uh.... could we actually be on the verge of a Mario RPG renaissance? Dream. Of. The. Childhood.

[@ptanker9236]

The fact that Nintendo is mixing all of these Mario RPGs into one survey tells me they want ideas for a new Mario RPG altogether.

[@MrWeirdGuy]

@@ptanker9236 Yeah, definitely possible. Could be a new entry in either series, or the start of a new RPG series. Super Smash RPG? Hey, I can dream and I will :v

[@coffee_2234]

This is actually going to be my first time playing paper mario the thousand year door

[@cathryinmash]

I hope you love it as much as the rest of us do! It's truly one of my favorite games of Mario right there next to Super Mario Galaxy. I am so excited for you to get to experience this wonderful story!

[@coltonk.3086]

Me too!! And I'm HYPED

[@Oscar-Guzman]

Get ready for a grand Mario adventure fellas.

[@coffee_2234]

I hope so i love the story of super mario rpg i hope the story for the thousand year door is just as good as mario rpg

[@getpape4126]

Avoid spoilers

[@DongusMcBongus]

“Are you nude?” Mario said to Flurrie through the closed door, with a slight hint of optimism. This was his only line in the game.

[@AkaiAzul]

Don't forget about Mario finding Peach's ??? Mario RPG is a bit...kinky. ;)

[@DongusMcBongus]

@@AkaiAzul dude… it was a Game Grumps reference

[@SdudyoyO]

My opinion has been since the announcement of both games, is that Nintendo is testing the waters to see which Mario RPG series fans want most. The fact that both games were announced so close to each other, and both games have long been called the best Mario RPG for a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if they are using sales data to see, which style they should continue with. I guess we'll see!

[@mjc0961]

That part in the beginning about how Paper Mario needs to always drastically reinvent itself gave me a weird realization: Paper Mario is Nintendo's Sonic the Hedgehog. Can't just stick with a good thing that people like, always gotta throw it all out and completely reinvent the series. The fanbase is completely fractured now, to the point where going back to one thing would just make a different group of fans upset.

[@johnman8398]

Kinda but not really with Sonic a reinvention only happens if the a game is very poorly received.

[@uberculex]

@@johnman8398 That is not true. Sonic Mania 2 doesn't exist. All stars or whatever it's called doesn't count.

[@johnman8398]

@@uberculex Sure there isn't a Mania 2 but they didn't completely reinvent the series after it.

[@johnmehlman5195]

@@uberculex superstars practically is mania 2, despite what you think, even if you dont think so, its another classic sonic game with the classic gameplay, while adding onto it, it just fumbled the ball in alot of things because sega wanted to give the project to arzest

[@jaretco6423]

​@@johnmehlman5195Superstar isn't Mania 2. I would say more like Sonic 4: Episode 3.

[@randomguy7766]

As a Mario and Luigi fan, it feels like this is our one chance to fight to get the series back. To anyone who receives the survey, I beg of you, select an option or two related to Mario and Luigi alongside the Paper Mario and Mario RPG options! If this is our chance to revive the series, we can't let it slip by! This is such a hopeful development for the mario RPG series as a whole, and I'm cautiously excited to see what fruit this bears :D

[@Mr_Mimestamp]

5:08 it’s not relevant, but it’s super cool to hear the remake of Beware The Forest’s Mushrooms. The original song is used so much in these videos, hearing the remade version really feels like this topic has new life again.

[@DaNintendude]

6:09 I'd like to contest the claim that "many of their more interesting NPCs were replaced by generic Mario baddies," for those of you who haven't played the remakes. Both Superstar Saga and Bowser's Inside Story remakes changed very little, and kept most of the wacky unique NPCs and characters. The biggest exception to this would be unimportant Toad NPCs, which were replaced with standard Toads. The other changes in Superstar Saga were things likely done to save time, or done for thematic purposes. Bink, Troopeas' designs, and Mecha Chomps' replacements all feel like clear things done to cut corners, rather than mandated changes. Certain enemy designs were modernized (most were simply reused from other 3DS M&L games, actually! So it makes sense why they wouldn't put the effort in to alter sprites). The game was very rushed, and AlphaDream was probably nearing closer and closer to bankruptcy, so they had to cut corners where reasonable. This isn't to say that certain changes weren't done for the sake of brand consistency. The big fat Koopa Troopas were replaced with just normal large Koopas, for example. And of course, there are the aforementioned Toads. Those seem like changes similar to the ones that the Paper Mario team had to deal with. Bowser's Inside Story had even less changed, with a few Toad NPCs being the only casualties. Important Toads like Dr. Toadley's Intern, and the father from the opening cutscene, were spared. But the PR Toads and female toads were made generic. All other enemies, bosses, and NPCs were left alone. And in Bowser Jr's Journey, we even got brand new villains. TL;DR I think it's unfair to say that the Mario & Luigi remakes were made duller. Most changes seem to be done for budget/time reasons, with only Toads and a few off-model minion designs in Superstar Saga feeling like targets. It is often overlooked how EXTREMELY faithful the rest of the game is. With unique species designs being retained and even improved in a lot of cases. This is unlike the Mario RPG remake, which sought to make designs as faithful as possible. The M&L remakes attempted to improve and update them when necessary, and it feels much more cohesive and fun as a result.

[@Zitsanrael1117]

I can't even express how hyped I am that Mario RPG performed so well. I love it to death and would kill for a real sequel. But while I'm waiting for that, TTYD is coming up fast and I'm pretty hyped for that too. I loved PM64 but I never had a GCN when I was a kid so I missed TTYD.

[@RedMage8BT]

Sticker Star and Color Splash burned me so hard that I can say with confidence that it will be a *very* long time before I even try Origami King. I don't care how good people say the story/writing is.

[@Klaxynd]

Same here. Except I didn’t even try Color Splash after being burned by Sticker Star. This is the only Paper Mario I’m buying right out the gate until I see a full return to form.

[@miniDrew4]

Can't wait for TTYD. One of my favorite games of all time.

[@Komawashere]

I love the mario and luigi franchise and it gives me a little spark in my heart that in may come back

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

5:50 Alphadream, oh how I miss them...

[@StrikerSML]

I've been going through some rough times lately and I've been wanting to play this game for YEARS. It comes out like two days before my semester ends so it'll be a great start to the summer for me. I really need this right now.

[@KayFiOS]

After Super Mario RPG, I'm hoping, but not expecting, that we'll get postgame boss rematches. If it doesn't happen, that's fine too, I'm just glad this exists. 😊

[@WolfmanArt]

Definitely getting the remake once it's out! It'll be my 1st time playing TTYD; 1st Paper Mario game I played was Origami King...

[@newnavy2211]

In regards to the survey thing, back when Club Nintendo was around, you got points for filling out surveys, and could use those points on free stuff. I, like I'm sure many others, just clicked through it, usually just hitting the top response. That response was usually "strongly disagree" or "not at all" so that's what I think people did with that old Paper Mario survey.

[@eduardocherry7268]

It’s kinda strange that Nintendo thinks every new Paper Mario game has to be completely different and new when their most successful franchise is Pokémon

[@theburningbaron6417]

I'm in the same boat; the first time I played TTYD was one of the best gaming experiences I've ever had and I played it pretty much around when it released. And for 20 years, it remained my favorite game without competition. I'm beyond excited for this remake and even better that it releases a week after my birthday.

[@clap2973]

An Arlo video! A perfect way to end my work day

[@Lexyvil]

One of my favourite aspects of Paper Mario TTYD was the dialogue, and I can't imagine it would be even possible without a story...

[@tommyh8462]

I'm stoked to replay this incredible game in HD and hear the new music and everything, but I truly am more excited for newcomers to play it, including some of my friends who I am desperately advertising the game to

[@nitro-cam4701]

I have always wanted to play it ever since I saw playthrough back in the old days of youtube. It was my childhood… despite not having played it at all

[@davetoms1]

Reading that survey at 12:57 is heartbreaking. The question says to pick *"up to 5"* most important elements but at least 6 options are what make a Super Mario related RPG specifically a Super Mario game in the RPG format. Even if _THE STORY_ is the most important part, I couldn't select that over turn-based combat, or leveling up characters, or acquiring improved gear, or unlocking abilities, or seeing elements of the Mario universe... without those it wouldn't be a Mario game OR an RPG. Damn it, Nintendo. Damn it all to hell. Their survey questions are garbage and will produce garbage data.

[@josemembreno3134]

a little upsetting this comment (or others like it) haven't garnered much attention. i certainly didn't notice this, and my hope for future installments has just plummeted once again.

[@nyon7209]

the assumption is that if you poll enough people, you'll see how much people care about one aspect compared to the others. If there are 6 or 7 options that are roughly the same level of importance, the votes will balance out. But you'd also be able to see a slight leaning towards say, story, over acquiring improved gear. If you could choose 7 options, you wouldn't be able to see that slight leaning. I just hope enough people actually got this survey to get that kind of data.

[@MLmaster135]

the one thing I'm deff curious about regarding TTYD's remake is: considering the Super Mario Rpg remake and how it added more post-game content+Chain challenges, it makes me very curious if TTYD's unused content like Prince Mush's fight(he's TTYD's version of The Master from PM64) and Shadow Sirens ch 6 fight(at the station) will show up in the remake, as these seem pretty possible what with the newer technologies and Switch's hardware throughout the past 20 years despite that, this gets me more curious if we'll ever see a remake of Paper Mario 64 later down the line, as that one's a classic

[@duskyer]

Miyamoto looking at Super Paper Mario. The game where they removed the turn based combat and going. "Ah yes. The STORY is the problem."

[@ChewedBubbleGun]

"A blacksmith is forging beautiful blades with ornate handles. Then, he tries making a shoddy blade with mixed metals. Everyone complains their swords are breaking and look bad, not sharp enough ext. The blacksmith hears this complaint and says, "Man, these hilts are really ruining my customer's experience!"

[@tinyninja7716]

Mario & Luigi is what Paper Mario is to Arlo for me. I'm so happy we've finally got a sliver of hope that the series could possibly return.

[@sokumotanaka9271]

I'll never get why there was a 'nono rule' on unquie takes on the existing races when the non rpg mario games introduced weird characters all the time. There waa a weird nessy version of yoshi out there. Whoever decided that shouldn't get to make huge decisions like that. Getting rid of something fans widely loved; feels like some jealousy or petty decision of someone who lacks creativity and vision.

[@ptanker9236]

To be fair the most of the 3DS / Wii U era (besides Dream Team) had mandated and restricted characters. But that makes me wonder why Origami King is still behind these restrictions.

[@nyon7209]

If I remember correctly, the answer is Miyamoto. Sort of. This is like, based on hearing other people discuss interviews, so I may be remembering some things wrong, or misinterpreting some things but... Miyamoto didn't outright say "you can't make new characters and races" just to avoid it when possible. Technically, everywhere is when possible. Japanese is a much less direct language than English, and Japanese business culture means that Miyamoto asking a question is basically the same as an order to fix the mistake you must have made (but first you need to find out what mistake you made because the question wasn't that specific). In recent interviews, it sounds like he's realized his words have a ton of weight, and is trying to be more careful. It is possible that this was an era where his influence was stronger than he realized. But he also made comments about various aspects of Sticker Star that the team refused to change (and were things the game is highly criticized for) so it's not like the team blindly followed every request Miyamoto gave them. They just happened to follow his advice on some bad ideas, and ignore his advice on some good ones. It's also an era when Nintendo had a habit of making things super experimental and gimmicky, but playing extremely safe outside of that gimmick.

[@KrohnosOW]

More Mario RPGs!!!

[@AgentAlaska9000]

I just have to disagree every time Arlo says "True Paper Mario 3". Super Paper Mario should be given a massive slide as just being a product of the Wii era and them attempting an experiment while keeping everything else about Paper Mario intact. Sticker Star is where the bad truly starts so we should actually be looking forward to a True Paper Mario 4.

[@alexh7513]

Super Paper mario is a nice game, but it‘s not a paper mario. Nothing about it is paper, it should be called pixel mario. (Because it‘s a digital world with pixels as companions and no paper). This 2d/3d pixel mario style could be it‘s own genre and nintendo should stick to the original 2 real paper mario games and give us a true paper mario 3. They could do both and also make a new pixel 2 mario game.

[@thenpc8400]

I’ve played every other paper Mario game, at least a bit, beat the original, beat sticker star, played a good chunk of color splash, origami king, and super. I’ve loved all of them (except origami king) the ONLY game I haven’t been able to get my hands on is thousand year door, I’m absolutely ecstatic and ready for this to come out.

[@thenpc8400]

Yes that does mean I like sticker star, bite me.

[@sokumotanaka9271]

I'm hoping after this they remake the first 1 and a new paper mario is announced. Getting two games would be such a huge victory for paper mario fans.

[@4569packers]

it would be incredible to be living in a timeline where Mario RPG, Paper Mario, Mario and Luigi, and Mario + Rabbid are all striving on a current Nintendo console. Long live the Mario RPG franchises

[@jaretco6423]

Heck yeah. Also glad someone acknowledged Mario + Rabbids.

[@t-bird6853]

Great, Arlo. You got what you really wanted, now when is it MY turn? (Mario & Luigi)

[@boltlight1244]

I need my mario and luigi back 😢

[@4beasty]

Between superstar saga getting put on the gba online service on launch, the 2 rpg remakes, and the survey, i believe mario and luigi has a good chance of coming back. These 4 stars have allined, and now we just need the 5th, for nintendo to revive it from the grave and give us a new game. (Partner's In Time remake, please?)

[@Goat0423]

I’m not sure if I can accept this Super Paper Mario slander as one of “The bad ones”. (Though you did mention the strong story so, 50/50 acceptable.)

[@SuperMarioPlushMasters]

Exactly, I am currently replaying it and it’s so amazing, I have no idea how it was followed by sticker Star

[@jaretco6423]

The story is the amazing part of the game. But the gameplay is very flawed. It's not bad. But it could've been better.

[@internetera1523]

Super Paper Mario seems like the Silent Hill 4 of this series.The "in between" game

[@LordServbot]

I wouldn't mind a Switch remaster of Superstar Saga through Bowser's Inside Story just to keep the momentum rolling.

[@manin345]

I just want Mario and Luigi RPG's back...

[@JGr2000]

6:13 I’m feeling this right now with the Superstar Saga remake. I just ordered it off of eBay after playing the original game probably over 20 times over my life, and I’m disappointed in a lot of the enemy redesigns

[@dekufiremage7808]

With Alpha Dream dissolved I'm not sure I even want anyone touching Mario & Luigi. Not like there's much chance of it happening anyways

[@ironicdivinemandatestan4262]

Hey, Cing went bust and they still made Another Code: Recollection so at this point I think anything's possible.

[@faceurhell]

We just want classic styled Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi games, with cool new stuff. We can get other games for sure, but let them be their own game. A Super Paper Mario-like sub-series would be neat.

[@caitlynmcmunn]

I’m so happy you mentioned Kosperry, I’ve been watching their videos for years now and they’re so hyperspecific to my interests

[@crimson_soul71]

I think this might actually have something to do with a revival of the mario and luigi series. They're just testing with the other rpgs so that the mario and luigi series stays safe just in case things backfire.

[@RichardDong68]

I would literally prioritize the next PM game in 2028 over my rent and living cost, IF the gameplay WILL be similar to 64/TTYD/Bug Fables

[@Gungho73]

this

[@pinto5012]

Imagine if Nintendo gives us Super Paper Mario & Luigi RPG, a fusion of all the series 😂

[@mrcwillis6970]

Looking forward to it. Hope it’s not been overhyped… especially with how many times people don’t shut up about it… and how much crap the other games get… am happy to see this style returning as it is the best from what I’ve played and seen, also yeah that interview was stupid to hear, I still need to finish paper Mario (64)

[@chunkymonkey7983]

It is a little overhyped, but it's still amazing.

[@tommyh8462]

It's got its flaws but it's incredible nonetheless. You're in for a treat Also, I'm replaying PM64 right now! Would be cool to see a remake of that someday!

[@bombyman84]

It's overhyped, but you get WHY people are so passionate about it

[@jacksonhart5961]

It’s one of those games where it’s really amazing but the fanbase is so horrendous that it’s off putting.

[@theonewhowrotethis5681]

Game's great (an easy 9/10 for me and I still own my GameCube copy of it), but it does get a bit overhyped at times due to its passionate fanbase (both the good and the bad). I do prefer the Mario & Luigi games, but it's still really great.

[@simonjiha3434]

I'm fairly certain Paper Mario(64) is the sequel to Mario RPG(SNES), so there is only really 2 rpg series for Mario, that being the Paper Mario/RPG series and the Mario & Luigi series

[@GatorOne-in7hk]

*We’re Counting On You, Mario! intensifies*

[@BobzBlue]

It hasn't occurred to me that the m&l series had a unique style, the remaster wasn't a terrible change but I'd love to see outlines and Luigi's stiped socks again, even in 3D.

[@saintsalieri]

Origami King is the only Paper Mario I've played, but it's my favorite Mario game. I can't imagine not liking it's, it's unremittingly delightful.

[@internetera1523]

Cool,I think we can all agree that this discussion has ran its course though,lol

[@saintsalieri]

@@internetera1523 I guess, I've never talked about the game before or seen any discussion about it. I just played it.

[@trumpeterjen]

Am I the only one who'd completely forgotten it's coming out *next month?*

[@PhilipMcCrotch]

God I love paper mario and the thousand year door

[@OhsoWoobie]

Yay another paper Mario hype video!!!!!!!!

[@viddysgamingviddyos4710]

I'm...more interested if this will generate more interest in Gamecube games. I mean, the Pikmin games, Metroid Prime and now this (and Sunshine if you count that Mario collection...)? Um, yes please!

[@SaruTanku]

Yayyy, there's hope for Paper Mario, but what about the M&L series?????????

[@ptanker9236]

All of the Mario RPGs have hope thanks to the survey.

[@staniel2977]

Mario And Luigi Bowser's Inside Story will always be my favorite.

[@BIayne]

As much as I want classic Paper Mario to return, what I really want is Super Mario RPG 2 🙏🙏🙏

[@aaronTGP_3756]

It would be interesting to see some of the old concepts realized. One concept was pairing Mario with Link and Samus.

[@supervisedchaos]

Me here in the future. June direct 2024 had Mario and Luigi another win for arlo

[@aki97]

I was surprised he predicted it correctly (and so fast).

[@doctorlion]

Arlo this is the part where you say “we are so back”

[@dinar8749]

Hope REAL Paper Mario stays this time!

[@lemoncat9329]

I really hope this means Nintendo will try to bring back the Mario & Luigi series.

[@lizard.y]

…and Mario & Luigi! (Based on the survey)

[@ptanker9236]

There is hope for all 4 Mario RPGs, plus with the fact of us potentially even getting a new Mario RPG altogether.

[@ztarburst]

We need a Mario & Luigi comeback! 🔴 🟢

[@mrshmuga9]

I have to wonder if it’s because they’re in a Gamecube remake phase, and this is one of the more notable games. But the sales should help tell them what fans want. And NOW that it’s on a successful console, it should easily eclipse the original’s sales.

[@nyon7209]

probably because the gamecube released in 2001, so all these games are reaching their 20 or 15 year anniversaries. TTYD was 2004 after all, so that's 20 years. maybe (maybe) Chibi Robo will get a remake in 2025.

[@Deoxys911]

Honestly I think the recent RPG remakes are not only a response to continued criticisms of the new Paper Mario entries, but also to the end of AlphaDream and any solid plans to continue the Mario & Luigi series with it. With that RPG series now defunct, there's no reason why they can't release other Mario RPGs such as these remakes and, if they do well financially, quite possibly new follow-ups to them.