New Fleece? - Helikon Tex Patriot Fleece mkII

[@perterram6699]

Thank you for the review. Got some of the Mk Is for ages and I love them. The biggest flaw with the new version is that they got rid of the poacher’s pocket on the lower back….

[@anangryranger]

Nice review. Good design of the jacket. And it's Tiger Stripe!😎 Definitely "Ranger Approved".👍

[@MoorlanderEDC]

Right on. Might have another release short you'll enjoy. Plus hopefully next weekend I'll have some content on a jacket using the Mitchell camo too. If memory serves me that's your time too?

Thank you for the review! And greetings from Finland :) I'm considering this jacket to use under the actual jacket instead of my hoodie this winter.

[@MoorlanderEDC]

Hi, thanks for watching. Using this as a mid-layer is killer. It's very hot

@@MoorlanderEDC Considering the sub -30 degrees of Celsius here last winter, I don't think it can be too hot 🥶 But if it's considreably warmer than my previous fleece it might not be too late to use it as a jacket on its own.

[@MoorlanderEDC]

Ha ha ha... The people of Finland are build differently 💪

​@@MoorlanderEDC Or the climate here is build different :D I got the jacket and it is not too hot to wear as a mid-layer.

[@michaelnedsmar9106]

I bought the mK1 last year, I love the back, poachers pocket.

[@LaoVS]

Great review, thank you for sharing! 👍

[@MoorlanderEDC]

Thanks for watching!

[@thescifidork]

I'm going into my third Finnish winter with what I feel was called something else before but is called Helikon-tex Patriot Jacket Double Fleece now. When it gets down to -30ish C it keeps me toasty warm, the best money I've ever spent :)

[@MoorlanderEDC]

I might pick one up to review. I'm not sure it ever gets that cold here 😂

[@yah5o]

I love my Mk1 Patriot and LIberty fleeces and I have mixed feelings about the Mk2. It's an improvement, but I will still miss the old cuffs (don't care about delamiations, but the old ones won't wear out like an elastic would). The back pocket ... I found it strange, but some will probably miss it. I prefer the additional ones in th efront. But just a quick tipp for future reviews: the camo pattern of this jacket works pretty well with the greens in the background. I think that you should use a different colorway next time ;)

[@panzerfaust7672]

Do you have the both versions? I do have and love the Gen I Patriot, but I miss the front pockets the MK2 does have, Will the MK2 be as warm and has t he same sizing as the Gen I?

[@MoorlanderEDC]

Yep, I have to agree with the camo and the background. I set myself a challenge to try every camo and colour Helikon-Tex do. Every now and again they work a little too well 😂

[@Callum38]

I found a use for the back pocket! Cut some nice foam out- I used a piece of a cheap blue closed cell sleeping pad- and use it as a removable pad for the lumbar part of your hiking backpack. Obviously this is only useful if you're using a pack. It makes an already comfortable backpack feel heavenly to wear. Also QC was iffy on my patriot mk1, one of the rubber parts of the cuffs was sewn incorrectly and half hanging off. Luckily I really dislike that style of velcro cuff anyway due to delamination issues in the past so I just cut off the whole thing and sewed up the holes left behind. I plan on opening it up again, reinforcing the holes and turning them into thumb loops soon

[@Pantbeard2036]

Dude if u had to pick this or the Wolfhound, what would it be & why? Love the new reversibles 👍

[@MoorlanderEDC]

Probably the Wolfhound. They're both great however I can wear the Wolfhound on a summer night if I got cold. It needs to be cold to wear this as it's very hot. I also wear my Wolfhound as a midlayer with other jackets. I could probably do the same with this but be too hot

[@Elderfury]

Got this today. Also in tiger stripe. Very comfy and fits perfect.(I am 180 cm, 84 kg - L size). It is very warm, today was +6°C outside and i went for a walk in t-shirt and this jacket, it was perfect until i faced some wind, sadly it is not windproof(and should not be), so some windproof layer will save the day.

[@Elderfury]

Sidenote: UTP denim stretch are also sick pair of pants i received today. Got XL, which is not my usual size( i wear L), but due to stretchy nature they still fit perfect. Looks like they are out of stock on most popular sizes for a few years already, i was very happy that on of few last ones suited me.

[@GraveTecMediaGroup]

Nice Review, showed everything i wanted to see.

[@MoorlanderEDC]

Glad you liked it

[@GraveTecMediaGroup]

@@MoorlanderEDC it came but sadly it was way smaller than other Helikon Tex stuff I have ☹️

[@TANKMAGEE]

Just came in stock, xl version on 1 site,how much smaller is it, I'm an xl in everything else, worried if it maybe to small

[@Pantbeard2036]

Stirling review Sir 🫡

[@eugeneokeeffe6]

Hi man, what is your bodyweight and chest size? Trying to figure out the size for me, thanks

[@MoorlanderEDC]

I'm 5' 10", 220lb and right handed. Usually a size large. Hope that helps 🤙

[@sebastianangelo7079]

Nice review! Im struggling between the Patriot Mk II and the Rogue Hoody as a mid layer for colder days and also as a top layer for fall or spring. The patriot is the better choice if i want to be warmer right? Which one would you pick in general?

[@MoorlanderEDC]

Yes, definitely. The Patriot is a lot warmer for sure. The only thins is if its's a mid'-layer it will be very warm in fact.

[@JackBlack-gh5yf]

In the early 1970's, Wakefield's Army Stores (quite a big firm in the north at one time) used to get boots made up in China, and get the manufacturers to add an extra pound of steel into the shank of each boot, because people then, associated weight with quality! This looks like a big improvement on the original Patriot, a heavy jacket, which uses light to midweight fleece, the weight coming from all the zips and nylon. It's my least favourite fleece, because almost all the pockets are in the wrong place. Interesting that they've gone back to Lycra cuffs, which were popular with manufacturers in the 1990's. They look good, are comfortable generally, and there's no faff, but unfortunately after a few years, even if the jacket is in storage, the Lycra looses its elasticity, (the main reason it went out of fashion in the outdoor trade), and can also be vulnerable to wear and tear. Not sure if I'd use it, but I do like the pen channel. Bad idea adding mesh to the pit zips in my opinion. I have a lot of Helikon gear, and do find their sizes vary quite a bit, which is a shame. Price is reasonable I think. Looks good 👍

[@MoorlanderEDC]

You really can't beat those old fashioned Amry and Navy stores. Growing up through the 80s we had one in the town into the late 90s until the elder chap owner died and his kids sold the store. 100% get what you say about heavy and quality. I still can hear my Nan telling me the same. On the cuff side, I spoke with a Helikon rep at IWA and they said how the previous hook & loop wasn't the best and kept failing. I think like most things there's pro & cons. I think eventually we'll go full circle and have elastic pass throughs so if it goes you can put in some new elastic... or maybe even Canadian buttons 😆

[@JackBlack-gh5yf]

@@MoorlanderEDC They were great 😃Wakefields, the chain I mentioned, sold some army surplus, but also a lot of work wear, and general outdoor gear (of the time), They must have had well over a hundred stores, with several branches in most northern towns. Their demise came about very suddenly, and in much the same way as your local store. They were a family-owned business, and when one of the patriarchs died, there was a squabble, with some of the younger family members just wanting a big cash pay-out. I can still picture folks weighing up boots in their hands, with weight equating to quality! 🤣They weren't all wrong though, I think we've been suckered with some of the lightweight gear, the outdoor industry is full of con-tricks! 🙄I can see Helikon's point about the cuffs, they were unnecessarily complicated, and the quality of Velcro varies. It could well be that they're not aware of Lycra's limited lifespan, because it's a while since it's been used like that. I'd rather have elastic, (or Canadian buttons!), since it's easily replaced, but I have garments that have had the same elastic bungee in for 30-odd years. Unfortunately, once the Lycra goes, you're kind of stuck with it, unless you don't mind shortening the cuffs 👍

[@northernmonkeyzuk]

Hi mate. Good review. Trying to decide on a size for these. Did you find that the measurements online were accurate? Also do you find this quite long at the back? Usually an XXL but the online measurements tell me it may be too small!

[@sandy_knight]

You and Helikon Tex are going to hate me for saying this but... It looks too warm for most of my (active) outdoor needs but perfect for standing around in the cold watching football this winter 😜

[@MoorlanderEDC]

You're not wrong buddy. Unless if was a city break away some where and it's -10c... This will be keeping me warm whilst I watch my daughter play football this winter

[@sandy_knight]

@@MoorlanderEDC I'm just re-watching this video to remind myself of sizing (I'm usually between a medium and a large so I'm about to order the large, with your affiliate link obvs😉) The reason I'm commenting again is because I just picked up on something you said, about the underarm mesh and how you don't get much dirt ingress under the arms? I suspect the mesh is there to prevent insect ingress (e.g angry wasps) rather than dirt 👍

[@Lemis89]

@@sandy_knight hello! How did it went? Was the large size the right choice?

[@Callum38]

The pit zips make this for me. If I get too hot I can just crack them open and slow a bit and I'm fine

[@jansolo4824]

Is this a bit breathable? It looks nice, but I fear to get sweaty in this while hiking?

[@MoorlanderEDC]

Definitely breathable as it's not a wind stopper material, however, the fleece is very heavy and very hot

[@jansolo4824]

@@MoorlanderEDC ah thanks so I guess it’s best worn in cold autumn and winter?!

[@lovebitcoin813]

Very nice

[@DarkFire515]

Nice. I really like my Patriot fleece Mk.1 so it's interesting to see the improvements for the Mk.2.

[@Robert_Thomas832]

Looks a bit tight on you Mr moorland. Fleeces melt by the 🔥 when sparks land. Nice pattern though 🙂

[@MoorlanderEDC]

Gives me more motivation to loose a few kilos for sure 👍

[@Robert_Thomas832]

Thanks for your reply. Good presentation style.

[@Mitsauce]

How do you find the fit? The size chart seems to imply the sleeves will be really long as I'm around a 63 or 77 sleeve.

[@MoorlanderEDC]

Fits great however it probably a wee bit smaller than expected. I'm usually a large and this feels like a large medium. The sleeves are great. No issues at all 👍

[@niconicoo5661]

Does hold of some wind ?

[@MoorlanderEDC]

Not completely, no. You can feel the wind through it. Luckily it's an incredibly hot fleece so it's nice to have the ventilation 😂

[@niconicoo5661]

@@MoorlanderEDC 😂

[@farangtravels3956]

Why not do some videos from your shop Moorlander 💪

[@TheFloridaBikeVlogger]

tiger cam is so the most trendy lately

[@MoorlanderEDC]

I'm a veritible trend setter 😜

[@anangryranger]

@@MoorlanderEDC 😅😆😋 Aye, that you are!😆

[@lakota_stu]

🔥🔥🔥

[@Zirekj]

I just got mine... WHERE ARE ORGANIZERS IN CHEST POCKETS????? I need the bigger organizer for my smartphone! Let be clear, they changed Patriot mk1 being something between 2nd layer and a jacket to strictly thick 2nd layer. I am not really sure if I am into that. I will not fit my office shirt under that. : / Do you know maybe where will be Liberty mk2 released? And if so, please tell Helikon the get back my smartphone pocket in the chest compartments!

[@MoorlanderEDC]

If I get chance to speak to Helikon, I'll make sure to pass on your request on the internal pocket

[@Hiliktor]

what is your height? and which size do you wear?

[@MoorlanderEDC]

I'm 5'10". I usually go for a large and I'd say this is a tiny wee bit small for me. I can easily wear this with a tshirt however it would be tight with another layer underneath. I have an XLarge from HT with another jacket and it's perfect

[@DrDennis]

Did you zip that jacket with our left hand?? Hate jackets with wrong hand zips like is common in Europe. ❤

[@MoorlanderEDC]

No, this zip is normal... But there are lots of cack hand zips out there 😂

Heavy, these is heavy ? ... pufff pufff,nnon sense :p Try the Patriot Double Fleece to know better the word 'heavy' ^^ To be more serious I think it could be a very good choice when I've chosen my double fleece one ... damn it is really heavy and very hot ! (very good in real winter time ! )

[@MoorlanderEDC]

I wonder if they'll make a Patriot Double Fleece MkII?

@@MoorlanderEDC who knows but if you like a very good fleece in a big frozen winter it is a good choice the double one. I used it several times with freezeing temperature, no wind no rain/no snow just it and nothing except a t-shirt under it .... I wa hot

[@ginolino6241]

Which size do you have and what is the weight of your double fleece jacket?

[@MoorlanderEDC]

@@ginolino6241 I have mine in large

@@ginolino6241 I have mine in XL (i like to be able to have something else under if needed and I do not like when a cloth is too close to the skin/slim except the first layer) For the weight as I have no balance just reporting what helikon-tex site is writing: +/- 1,2 kgs)

[@LV-42617]

The MK 2 is a nice jacket but simply no match for the MK 1 and most definitely NOT a patriot. HT did a poor job not to alter the name and to hope it would jump on the success of the MK1 which it clearly does not. The MK2 is a high end hoodie, probably the best on the market right now but it doesn't have the same wearing feeling as the MK1. The shape is a lot slimmer - which can either be better or worse - depending on your shape/reference. What is utterly disappointing is the layout of the rockets . While I embrace the new lower front pockets, I don't see the reason for chest pockets, making the jacket unnecessary crowded in the front but worse the lack of the lower left arm pocket and - far worse - of the horizontal back pocket is painfully missed and a HUGE mistake. Honestly, I had my MK2 only for one day, but the disappointments outweigh the advantages, so I returned it in favour of another MK1 (which I have now in Polish Woodland camo and black).

[@MoorlanderEDC]

It's a shame I didn't get to try the older version before this one. It does seem like there's some great features on the MK1 over the MK2. On the slim fitting point, I feel Helikon have adjusted their sizes recently. I was always a solid EU Large and never had any issues. Over the last year or so I've found I'm now a solid EU XL. I haven't gained any weight and my measurements haven't changed at all. If anything I've lost a few kilos recently

[@dgmma992]

what is with sizes in this generation? since with last one i had to go two sizes smaller then usual to have snug fit

[@MoorlanderEDC]

I think they're using the US measurements. Even though they say they're EU sizes they feel smaller as usually the US sizes are the size smaller