NEW High Temp Open Source IDEX 3D Printer! 22 IDEX V3 First Look!

[@TheEdgeofTech]

Check out Vision Miner's Video Here! kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXK6ppuIf7mlf5I

[@AndrewduToit]

I am pretty sure you can build that machine and maybe the bed won't go to 200°C but that price gap is ridiculous. It has normal 3D electronics it is insulated but that does not justify that price.

[@3dpathfinder]

Its 14,900 dollars , Id say that is just a bit out of the range of your average 3d printer. Todays video is on the Sovol SV08 and my next video is a 15k printer...Such diversity

[@TheEdgeofTech]

I agree that this is not for the normal crowd! It's definitely geared towards business, but it's super cool that they allowed me to come check it out and make a video on it! There's a reason why you don't see many/any videos on this machine. It's because the businesses that own them don't make videos or can't because they're under NDA. So when I get a chance to make a video about an awesome machine that could do more than I have ever even thought about doing myself, I definitely jump at it! I hope you enjoyed the video! What would you Make if you had a printer with these capabilities?

[@Todestelzer]

I think it’s good to show such printers now and than to see what’s possible in 3D Printing. But yeah I bought a Snapmaker J1 instead 😅 It has a automatic X/Y calibration and a guided z calibration. Pretty easy to do. Only downside is I had in 3 months already 2 issues with it. Changed out X axsis rail and ribbon cable on the right extruder.

[@TheKeverin]

Its 15k dollars and they use the cheapest Meanwell LRS Power supplies without PFC-Filtering. Those would not even be Legal to use in the EU in homes as they are not class B rated. No idea about the US tho.

[@Todestelzer]

@@TheKeverin you only need PFC above a certain limit. I think it’s 300w. Don’t think this Printer needs more than 300w if the bed is powered by mains voltage.

[@TheKeverin]

@@Todestelzer But its only rated class A. So no Home use

[@woodwaker1]

Jim, for now it is a little out of my reach and needs, but maybe someday. You should have Rob, donate one to be awarded in a Hot Makes show, that would really get viewership up!. I would like to see you make a death racer using some of the super strong filament, you would be unstoppable

[@marcozacarias1675]

about time! As a former V2 user for a short time, the previous version was terrible and completely failed. Bed falling off the shuttles, the old version of the emergency stop switch looked like it was from an old computer, i remember the wiring on the back looked terrible, probe breaking first try, nozzle bent... I can keep going, pics on the facebook community support page. Glad to see that V3 is out with improvements, but until we have real reviews from other users, i would not consider.

[@TheEdgeofTech]

@@marcozacarias1675 I totally understand the apprehension! I'm hoping to get one myself and go through it so everybody can see how it is!

[@VisionMiner]

Thank you Marco for sharing your experience with our 22 IDEX. Since your purchase in early 2022, we've made significant strides: Your feedback, along with that of other early adopters, has been invaluable in shaping the evolution of our product. We take all customer input seriously, which is why we offered you a full refund and thoroughly analyzed the returned unit. Your concerns didn't fall on deaf ears - they became the catalyst for over 150 improvements implemented over the past two years. Here are a few significant actions we have taken: Complete product overhaul: The current 22 IDEX is a far cry from its early predecessor, with enhancements touching every aspect of its design and functionality. Vertical integration: We've acquired Addwise in a significant deal, bringing manufacturing in-house. This strategic move allows us unprecedented control over quality and the ability to rapidly implement improvements. Interested readers can find more details about this acquisition in industry publications like 3D Printing Industry. 3dprintingindustry.com/news/vision-miner-acquires-addwise-in-a-14m-deal-231289/ Continuous refinement: The constant focus and hard work of our engineers and team along with your comments and others has paved the way for our upcoming V3 release. Industry validation: Feedback from aerospace, military, defense, and government clients has further refined the 22 IDEX, ensuring it meets the most stringent professional standards. We're confident that the 22 IDEX of today would exceed your expectations. It's a testament to how we've transformed customer challenges into opportunities for innovation. We appreciate your role in this journey. If you're open to it, we'd love the opportunity to demonstrate how your initial feedback has translated into a product that's now setting new industry standards. Thank you again for your candid review. It's through such honest communication that we continue to grow and improve. @marcozacarias1675

[@marcozacarias1675]

@@VisionMiner Thank you VM for responding, that really speaks to your commitment to address customer feedback. However at times, I do wonder if its just fluff so it looks good on these public places. The unit I received looks nearly exactly the same as the one you sent me with the exception of much neater wiring in the rear (plus some comps back there), upgraded emergency shut off switch, wifi antenna and non-3D printed printer feet (i actually really liked that they were 3d printed before). The Slice Engineering Hotend Assembly including the ducting, the bed heater, calibration probe, Z rods and so much more are all the same. I’m not seeing any significant upgrades between the V2 and V3 that would greatly improve performance, maybe software? The V2 bed temp, hotend temp and chamber temps all reached the target temps quickly. I'm guessing the same xyz linear rails and motors are the same. The Z rods continue to be free at their high point and if I’m not mistaken, the entire bed assembly isn’t secured in any way and continues to simply sit on the shuttles, so gravity does the work to keep it in place? This was one of the MAJOR concerns on the V2 as the bed fell off during calibration. Regardless, you guys are filling a demand gap that no one else is addressing and thank you for doing that. As an engineering, machines like this are super exciting! Maybe in the future I’ll consider this machine again, so I would like to take your offer.

[@mannysengineeringindustry1064]

It's a beautiful printer

[@TheEdgeofTech]

I think so too!

[@frozenfyre23]

I ❤ 3d printers!!!

[@TheEdgeofTech]

Awesome! Me Too! Thanks for watching!

[@lynntatro7374]

Amazing machine!

[@TheEdgeofTech]

I agree! It's pretty sweet!

[@C-M-E]

VM has always been high level machines undoubtedly, but I'd love to see a pellet extruder option for when serious takes on Hardcore.

[@alkiskaraolis8111]

This is a nicely narrated advert and I mean it in a good way. Please show us the quality of printed parts. The kinematics are dual Markforged which inherently cause racking. Markforged mitigate that by having dual linear blocks and using many machined parts. 22 IDEX is using belts on both side of the Y axis which I assume also eliminate the issue. However I would rather see an actual printed part at whatever the maximum speed is.

[@coreypeacock9900]

last I checked this printer is anything but open source...

[@TheEdgeofTech]

Why do you say that ?

[@coreypeacock9900]

@@TheEdgeofTech Could just be me but when I think open source I think like, any piece of info I could need is readily available. But there is no CAD model for this printer to download, there is no BOM so I can source my own, nor are there any instructions. They even said in their video about it that they developed their own proprietary XY motion system. Nothing except the specs for this printer are available to the public, therefor to me, and I think to most, this printer is not in the least bit open source.

[@TheEdgeofTech]

@@coreypeacock9900 I understand what you're saying for sure! Pat, the hot end, board, power supply, Motors, etc. Etc are all readily available. We can get them right now If we want to. The board is open and not some proprietary firmware. I understand that the cad model is not available, But when it comes down to actual functionality and replacement parts, I believe it is. I will ask about the cad model because I'm curious though!

[@coreypeacock9900]

@@TheEdgeofTech I mean I get that but just because I can buy the parts for something, that doesn't make it open source... by that logic you can call a lot of things open source that simply are not. Yes those individual parts may be, but the unit as a whole is not. If something is open source, by definition that means enough knowledge about it is open to the public that it can be replicated or modified, such as Voron printers. No such information about this printer is available to the public besides SOME of the components it uses. Granted its my own opinion, but I just think that taking a handful of the components from the printer that are open source and calling the entire printer open source is very much a stretch.

[@TheEdgeofTech]

@@coreypeacock9900 I totally understand what you're saying and do appreciate your opinion! I see it both ways. Aunt, I am definitely not saying you are incorrect. I'm going to bring this up to the team and see what they say. Again, totally understand what you're saying, and definitely respect it!

[@RexAnothership]

Awesome machine. This is what I need. You should make an XXL size with next level tool changer. This is the definition of open source.

[@dmax9324]

This is an awesome video, and I'd love to see the ability to quickly print flow fields for fuel cells and electrolyzers with different flow patterns and number of flow channels. It would accelerate optimization for high temperature and chemical application in hydrogen generation and utilization. Being able to do that with gas and liquid tight, base resistant, materials in FDM quickly would allow researchers to quickly test new ideas rather than just going to CNC. Wondering if this printer could do that with roughly 100mm by 100mm by 10mm flow fields with different serpentine patterns.

[@Wbmfishman1]

Fun to dream 😊

[@user-hc5ph7jh1i]

I would like to see you do a helicopter video with some pek

[@TheEdgeofTech]

That would be awesome!

[@ThePrimaFacie]

What do I want printed on it? Yes. If I had every thing set up I would get one of these. Why? IDK its really nice

[@klackygears]

Great shirt! Also, I'm enjoying your videos, thanks!

[@danielknight1162]

HAMMER AND NAILS!!!

[@TheEdgeofTech]

Ooh I like that! What would you test them on?

[@danielknight1162]

Hammer it into wood of different density or even sheetrock. Use them to hang a sign on that beautiful background wall.

[@braunersalon8548]

Has anyone ever seen the thing print?

[@marcozacarias1675]

i had the V2, print quality wasn't what i thought

[@AUS5113]

i would love to have one of these, how much are they? I would love to see you print some simple car parts and model airplane parts. Can this be used for home use? What kinds of high strength material can you run thru the machine?

[@826legoguy]

Hey i saw you at mrrf when is the video coming out

[@lynntatro7374]

That Vision Miner carbon fiber plate looks like high modulus 'Dragonplate'.

[@grahamwatson3677]

I think is from Rock West Composites. Still a high temp resin (not as heat resistant as Dragonplate), but it's a little cheaper.

[@user-cg5tm7ks3e]

@@grahamwatson3677 It's from Protech composites and they lie about "developing the resin"

[@Azzysdesignworks]

Looks like a HevOrt setup. Cool!

[@RGCbaseace]

Love the shirt

[@TheEdgeofTech]

Thank you!

[@sabahoudini]

Great machine. Where can I get those vision miner shirts?

[@TheEdgeofTech]

Right! I need one too!

[@pushthebutton4602]

You forgot to ask about if something happened in the printer, that make the printing faliure any notice?

[@PinkGirl2242]

Right at the beginning when you put your hands on it it slid on the table a bit. That machine will definitely need serious anti slip feet.

[@user-zx1tg8vi4t]

Lets print jet engine!

[@cinobro6393]

5:54, so it’s just dual motor HBot?…

[@michelefromflorida7852]

Poly carbonate record blanks for cutting music on.

[@digitalfire01]

Makerbot is the biggest offender of locking customers into their ecosystem, Ive had so many issues with them. Very happy to see such printers coming to market so I can dump my method x

[@reh.4919]

Shiny!

[@Symbole22]

How whant spend 15K for a single printer when you can buy 10x X1C carbon for the same price ? =>

[@EVgenrator]

Почти пятнадцать тысяч долларов за это? Очень деньги нужны? Немыслимая сумма, придётся купить эту копию у китайцев через год, за три тысячи китайских денег.

[@peters7413]

Why RED top.....? 🤔

[@foam27]

Because $15k😂

[@marcozacarias1675]

why not?

[@wimnanoe5887]

Printer manufacturers must also invest in filaments recycling machines

[@TheEdgeofTech]

I like this idea a lot! Thank you for watching!

[@wimnanoe5887]

@@TheEdgeofTech great content as usual

[@bharmoriamayuresh]

Thats not what a open source printer is lol.

[@21LOLxPRO]

15000$ for this no tnx abbsolute no sense

[@rammiii2908]

😂 this is "Made in USA" No camera, No cooling for the Board, worst printed and cheapest klicky Probe ever, No Display, cheapest 5015 for the heat chamber and 15K for this thing.... Just lol 😂

[@TheEdgeofTech]

Interesting take on the printer. Is there anything about it that you DO like or is it all just bad??

[@rammiii2908]

​@@TheEdgeofTech the high temp for chamber and hotend are a nice thing. The idex is also good. The suction is a good Idea as well, but should be included for the price. There was nothing said about the slicer, this should also be included and made for the printer. Lidar is also no included, so you have to calibrate like 5 years ago. No beacon probe or similar included. This is just ridicolous for this price.

[@TheEdgeofTech]

@@rammiii2908 thanks for responding! Actually it calibrates itself with the click of one button. There is no manual bed leveling and the slicer they use I believe is Prusa Slicer. And the probe is included.

[@rammiii2908]

​@@TheEdgeofTech how can the filament be calibrated without lidar or something? I don't talk about bed leveling. Where is the accelerometer? If this thing would be sold for "tinkerers" for 2k maybe 3k it would be okay, but 15k for a printer with technology from 2020 is just insane.

[@offsetmakerlab7514]

I hope you get to try one out, I'd love to see what you'd do with it!

[@resignator]

$15k and not open source. This is a joke, right?

[@TheEdgeofTech]

Um. It's definitely open source. Not sure where that comment came from?

[@21LOLxPRO]

Isnt opne source this a crp shit

[@marcozacarias1675]

This has always been open source

[@resignator]

@@marcozacarias1675 Point me to the CAD model of the printer then. Just because you can buy parts for it doesnt make it open source. Enough info should be available to just build your own. Which it isnt. Did they ever make the firmware open source or available even? I stopped checking long ago.

[@marcozacarias1675]

@resignator ahhh I see what your saying. I guess we have different definitions of open source. For me, since you can replace just about all the parts on this printer like the motors, hotend, power supply and use any slicer or you can manually code anything you want on it, makes it an open source machine. VM did send me some of the CAD files for this machine at one point. But for you, it sounds like you want the bill of materials.

[@TMS5100]

This is a rebranded AddWise IDEX. There are very few favorable reviews of this printer and a bunch of bad ones. Too bad this video did not show the printer in use.

[@ottersdangerden]

"We are thrilled to announce that Vision Miner, a global leader in industrial 3D printing solutions, has officially acquired AddWise." - well yeah I can see that being a thing.

[@TheEdgeofTech]

I agree, I wish I could have shown it working! If I had more time there, I would have definitely done that. I can assure you that I have seen prints that have come off of them and they are awesome in person! They just did not have any running while I was there. But I can fix that and get us some footage!

[@TheEdgeofTech]

Yes! They acquired that company , and I met the Guy who designed this printer! He was from the Ukraine and he now works in-house at Vision Miner with them! They are not going to put out garbage, I fully believe that!

[@ottersdangerden]

@@TheEdgeofTech I actually wonder if the bad reviews were of the older design where you would burn your arms. I could see that as an unfavorable review.

[@dmax9324]

@@ottersdangerden I heard from the company that those bad reviews were somewhat of a smear. These units are wildly improved over the initial beta level units. Nothing like the old addwise version.

[@loganbrantley7216]

Not sure why you would need to go to 500C for any plastic a Bambu x1c goes to 300c that's 572F. The new x1e goes to 320C (607F) and has active chamber heating and you could buy like 5 of those.

[@mikeb1596]

Engineering grade plastics need 300-450c and build plate temps well over 100c. Bambu doesn't make printers designed for high temp engineering plastics, it's an entirely different class of printers.

[@marcozacarias1675]

do a little research

[@TheLoneWolfz5]

Massively overpriced Ratrig.

[@dieselphiend]

I could build this for about $3k.

[@INNOCUBE3D]

I can build it for about $1K.

[@dieselphiend]

@@INNOCUBE3D I seriously doubt it. You'd probably spend that on just 3 high temp linear rails, and carriages.

[@INNOCUBE3D]

@@dieselphiend I am in China

[@dieselphiend]

@@INNOCUBE3D How much are high temp linear rails, and carriages, in China? Can you provide me with a product name?

[@dieselphiend]

@@INNOCUBE3D How do you access the internet outside of China? Isn't it risky?

[@Famouslastplace]

11:14 ehh. IDEX is on the wrong path. They give off "wE pUt CaRbIn FiBeR iN oUr BuILd PlAtE" kind of vibes. Didn't even hit on any points of the benefits or explanation as to why they decided on that build plate. The entirety of this video represents that very thing. A lackluster explanation; or lack their of, of what this product brings too the table and the problems it solves.

[@BeefIngot]

Yuck, it has slice engineering parts. Apart from that glaring fault, it looks pretty well built, open source and a well laid out electronics panel are both great, but there weren't many details about the motion system, speeds and feed etc.

[@3dexperiments]

It's an industrial product. "Temperature Rating 450°C" for the Slice Copper Head - and they stated in the video it can do 500C.

[@TheEdgeofTech]

Thank you for your feedback! I can ask them about the speed and feeds, but mostly this thing would be used for very high temp filament and you would want to go slow for that. But it's definitely good info, so I will for sure ask!

[@TheEdgeofTech]

@@3dexperiments I can't speak to that as I was going through what their specs are. But I will ask them! Thank you for watching!

[@BeefIngot]

@@3dexperiments They do state this in their own video as well. I imagine its possible for a company to state a rating is one thing, but then later seen that a higher rating is fine too, or there could be revision changes, not that I'd ever want to defend slice, but that sounds completely feasible.