NEW: Jail call between Lori Vallow & Chad Daybell where they discuss 'blueprints,' 'plans' and texts

#eastidahonews #daybell #truecrime
This is a jail call between Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow where they discuss "blueprints," "plans" and text messages. This was made on June 8, 2020 - less than 12 hours before police showed up at Chad's home and discovered JJ and Tylee buried on his property.
This recording was played during Daybell's trial on May 15, 2024.
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[@goodiesgumdrops1164]

Chad seems to have the emotional intelligence of a 12 year old.

[@kathleenp9643]

IF that!

[@hereitis.2587]

Just fall into his voice and forget how easy it is to understand his simpleton thoughts.

[@wiseup8729]

Mentally ill delusional one

[@selinaoakley3613]

Oh come on! Be fair now....seven max 🙄

[@lorikeller5104]

His voice! Just so monotone, can you imagine having to listen to him talk for hours. Ugh. Boring

[@2dogmom]

The giggling is nauseating

[@Michelebell74]

Ugh yes, i came here to say that.

[@laurenmay2098]

That's right, it is like they are mentally challenged, but they are not.

[@PeggyMiesko-xd5dx]

And what are they laughing about?!?

[@hereitis.2587]

Pillow talk

[@KathyMpamugo]

What are these 2 weirdos giggling about ? 😡🤢

[@mckt5846]

Right? And it's like weird nervous giggles. This whole call was so creepy.

[@lindagilbertson7488]

They are creeps!!!

[@dianayount2122]

like teens w crushes..

[@hereitis.2587]

Pillow talk with baby voice is both of their modes of communicating and manipulation.

[@mary-lee5908]

Stop talking in psycho riddles!!!! You shouldn't even be allowed to talk!

[@PollyF25]

That goofy giggling at the end of nearly every line. What is he, a 12-year-old girl?

[@laurenmay2098]

No even a 12 year old does that, he is slow mentally or even worse. Because mentally slow doesn't do evil.

[@AChickAndADuck]

Duper’s delight? It’s so weird

[@hereitis.2587]

Pillow talk

[@brendaredmond4678]

Yes. Yes he is.

[@enick7955]

Makes me sick to think what he is doing.

[@lauraquigley6403]

I would think the jury would find it so sick to hear them laughing while babies are buried in the yard!!

[@ALLGIRL62]

I'm looking forward to the Prosecution's close. I hope they say exactly that.

[@user-mn447]

I COULD NOT TALK WITH CHAD. He talks like he is mentally slow. 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@annieonpaper]

i think he is autistic

[@laurenmay2098]

I think he is mentally slow.

[@ninarobinson393]

And he has a mush-mouth.

[@joycemcswain5279]

Agree...a love struck idiot!

[@rachaelmccarl]

She definitely is.

[@Yachtnurse51]

Still can’t believe Zulema and Melanie and Melanie B knew so much and didn’t get arrested🤷‍♀️

[@MaryGloede]

After today's testimony and all the continuous and frequent calls between Chad, Lori, Zulema and Alex, Zulema had to know what was up. I bet the authorities told her to fess up or she was going down with them so they offered her the immunity.

[@StellaFl]

Don't forget Summer Shiflet. Why else didn't she include any photos of JJ and Tylee in the tribute video she made for Alex Cox when he died?

[@jabbermocky4520]

Yet. I think only one has immunity so far.

[@doreendaykin6693]

Amen!! Hoping they will be.

[@aussiemum3016]

⁠@@jabbermocky4520Zulema said that she had been given immunity for cooperation when she was questioned on the stand. Melanie G didn't say that in that many words this time, but did indicate she too has immunity, it was in Lori's trial Mel G said that she had immunity. I'm not sure about the other Melanie however, I don’t recall anything being said of her having full immunity

[@HKavarana]

So happy to know this was his last day of freedom. Their conversation is sickening.

[@Philothea7]

Chad was trying to reassure Lori not to turn on him....continued manipulation

[@rachaelmccarl]

10000000000%

[@FiveAcres1]

I agree. He had to keep her onboard with the religious grandiosity.

[@doreendaykin6693]

Amen!!! She made him nervous this time….He had to throw out how grand, perfect, divine, important etc but she is making him nervous……so he’s probably thinking she has turned DARK….very quickly to be zombiefied!!

[@Truth17John17]

And she was so easily manipulated because she is clarifiable insane .... which is what she gets for her occult involvement.

[@elizabethdiaz5475]

​@rachaelmccarl agree! I wonder if he is going to take the stand and testify against her. And if that happens, I wonder if the prosecution could ask her to testify also.

[@TheSouthAfricanGamer]

They are absolutely sick. What I dont get is how anybody could fall for Chad's lies ... The guy has the personality of a potato and the charisma of a rock. I guess all his gifts and his 100% confidence didn't see her getting a life sentence and him facing the death penalty!!!! This call is the final nail in his coffin.

[@xanthippe_2695]

Potato, perfect description of Chad 🥔

[@snowwhite2524]

I just said the same thing to my husband about this call being the final nail in his coffin. Chad is going to spend the rest of his miserable life in prison and he deserves it.

[@KnitzyKitzy]

Lori iso mentally well and is completely a believer. Chad on the other hand I believe does not believe any of it. He just uses it to get sex and money.

[@tbjtcaatgmailcom]

Lori is starting to know …she’s been duped by Chad.

[@Kristenm28]

This was how the cops figured out that the kids were buried in the back yard. They really thought they were to smart for the rest of us to figure out the code.

[@laurenmay2098]

It was Alex's cellphone that pinged in his backyard that alerted the police.

[@nickinurse6433]

This was not how they figured out the kids were in the backyard. They had already found the kids and arrested Chad before this phone call. At the time of this phone call they are both in jail

[@OriginalJamieAnne]

I must have misheard, pretty sure they had said they hadn't heard this until afterwards. It was Alex phone pings that lead them to the back

[@JMD621]

@@nickinurse6433 No this was the day before the kids were found. Chad wasn’t in jail.

[@Stacy-]

​@@nickinurse6433- Chad & Lori weren't allowed to communicate while they were both in jail. This convo took place before Chad was arrested.

[@lanikalia]

They thought they were sooo brilliant; (burner phones for the win), but in fact they were idiots.

[@kathleenp9643]

🎯🎯🎯

[@MaryGloede]

Yea, i can hear them now - Let's get some burner phones and alias emails, they will never figure us out.

[@user-fr2iq9jm5z]

At this point, how did Lori think she would be getting out of jail without producing the kids.

[@franceswatts4001]

I wondered that exact thing earlier today.

[@rubyoro0]

No body…no case.

[@Stacy-]

They were the chosen ones or prophets & it was "part of God's plan"... 🤮 Remember they were meant to be the leaders who would save everyone when the world ended and/or Jesus returned .. Or whatever their beliefs were. Both ridiculous & delusional! You can't make sense of insanity. There was no rational thoughts involved. 🙄

[@piperdevi9028]

Psychopathy on display, esp Chad. Normal people would ask for a divorce. He didn't have the balls. Normal people offered to take Tylee and JJ. But Chad chose, and still chooses to PLAY GOD and believes by killing the so-called "dark" relatives, he's doing them a favor, they'd just be grateful and frolic in heaven. He's a Psychopathist PLAYING GOD with all of their lives, including Lori's. And she's a Sociopath. Alex was a Psychopathist too. All of it beyond the pale. 😖

[@user-fr2iq9jm5z]

Chad sounds like a teenage boy laughing and making stuff up to get the girl.

[@JaneJ993]

Chad always sounds like vallium. And theyre both laughing. Evil. Enjoy prison guys

[@kellymckinney5975]

YES!

[@Truth17John17]

He better get the death penalty. She is completely insane, but it's her own fault. That's what happens when you play around with the occult.

[@amelie9271]

“Sounds like Valium” is so perfectly said.

[@lisaglenn4698]

WOW... Do these fools actually think detectives don't know what they're talking about...

[@jabbermocky4520]

Not the most inventive "code" is it?

[@bluhuny]

😂 it’s laughable

[@shelbyhunkler9259]

Tee hee!

[@hnormizzle]

It’s the same people who killed off two children thinking no one would notice they were missing. There is not a single intelligent thought combined between them.

[@prettiladi8811]

This is the comment I was looking for! Lmao…..Like who tf do you two think you’re fooling?! A 5 year old can tell what you two are talking about. 😂

[@SneakyM68]

This conversation is the definition of Cringe!

[@lgb2024.]

YES! He is a gigantic dork and how she fell for this is beyond my comprehension, but I guess she is as evil as he is, Or worse perhaps..

[@ShannonW22]

Besides talking in code, she sounds very angry at him through the fake laughing and he sounds like he is playing dumb to it.

[@lovelysphynx7396]

Giggling, laughing and joking while children are murdered in horrendous way, Tammy’s and Charles’s life’s were ended. They are sick sociopaths

[@eyeswideopen8570]

And this recording shows just how sick they are!

[@WandaPoole-fl2ck]

These two were planning a concrete foundation over the childrens graves, thinking and giggling they could get away with this heinous crime.

[@Tawadeb]

Her children!!!!! She's looney

[@isabelrosas4454]

It's a combination of only 5 problems. JJ, Taylee, Alex, Tammy and Charles' deaths.

[@marjieestivill]

Bingo on that aspect of the code

[@pamelawelling]

“Projects” completed in “Batches” apparently

[@cindyk8974]

Bingo. Exactly what I immediately thought!!

[@wiseup8729]

If they had let them all live they would have been free to continue their insanity

[@NikkiBornRight]

No Kay was the 5th Alex was still working on the project right according to this

[@AChickAndADuck]

Chad’s voice sounds SO MUCH like Warren Jeffs’. Disturbing.

[@KF-hw4hu]

Yes! I keep expecting him to tell Lori to, “keep sweet”.

[@kellymckinney5975]

@@KF-hw4hu lmfao

[@nhmisnomer]

Yes! It's the male counterpoint to the ladies' fundie baby voice

[@lyndseeharrison3134]

Tooootally!

[@melissaswinney5739]

I thought the same thing…creepy!

[@lyndseeharrison3134]

If Fozzy Bear and Eeyore had a baby, and that baby got dropped on its head. That baby would be Chad Daybell.

[@catofalltrades3428]

Noooo please don’t offend Fozzy and Eeyore 😂

[@nhmisnomer]

Inner Lori: I'm jailed and hes still free. I have be giggly and feminine and keep this ligh or he'll abandon me. Inner Chad: i have to keep her believing this BS or she'll confess and implicate me. Moral Lori & Chad: a howling void

[@c.2538]

Ha! It’s true they’re both trying to manipulate each other and as a result they both just sound like cackling idiots

[@taylorburton7820]

Superb comment!

[@shelbyhunkler9259]

Totally! She's hopping mad and would like to rip him a new one but she knows she's being recorded and she can't. She has to Keep Sweet, as the Mormons say...

[@beckiehickman1312]

This is sickening, Chad is such a creep and a liar. So 😢 for the families. How can someone believe in this creep? How can his children defend him? Pray for justice for JJ, Tylee, Charles and Tammy. So many people hurt by this insane false doctrine.

[@mmeyerr7867]

I have an estranged daughter who was brainwashed, drugged and raped. But I’m the monster. Just ask her.

[@TrendyHunter1982]

This is the nail in chads coffin

[@TJP-tq4np]

“Your honor, asking permission to pass out air sickness bags to the jurors.”

[@carlatownsend5211]

Well said

[@lizh4933]

Your honor, asking permission to fall asleep.

[@trixiemcfly8584]

To put it simply; Chad, and his children, seem like they may have some variety of delayed developments.

[@D.T.Baker3636]

Amen to that

[@hnormizzle]

Must be in the water

[@tammypierce3250]

Chad told Lori he had been texting Alex in the next life. Lori was asking so many questions about that that Chad couldn’t keep up with his lies. I think that’s why he was giggling. He couldn’t think fast enough to come up with lies fast enough to answer her questions. You could tell he didn’t know what to say much of the time.

[@angelakadlec3437]

Did we just hear their first “lovers spat”? The most passive aggressive convo I have ever forced myself to listen to

[@kueblerwolf]

That he was claiming Alex texted him from beyond the grave and she believed him- these two are more whacked out than I ever realized and I already thought they were out to lunch.

[@MaryGloede]

Wonder where they sell cell phones beyond the veil. The beyond must have the technology to communicate with the natural world's technology. Who knew?

[@dianeyvon]

I thought surely I’d missed something and they aren’t discussing texting Alex after he died. I guess all the plans and details they’re talking about are code for other things. How can his kids hear these calls and still believe him?

[@Hrd4]

​@@MaryGloedeis the reason the investigator couldn't read those few messages after Tammy's attempted shooting because they used burner phones? I was confused on that?

[@LoudLilDucky]

@@dianeyvon because I don’t think they’ve actually paid attention to this case because their father has told them that it’s all lies and those kids are brainwashed by Chad

[@MaryGloede]

@@Hrd4 I'm not sure, to be honest. It is confusing at times.

[@MsChristinaLS]

“99% chance that this soil could be bad”. she’s totally talking about burying the kids…

[@bonniemarsing701]

This does prove that Chad is controlling and brainwashing Lori.

[@inthesun3884]

I think it just might be?

[@user-nl1xq2mu4b]

Oh no...I think they are equal in their mental illness and take turns being in charge...after all they know all and they are so cool and ahead of everyone else. ... pure narcissistic behavior...

[@c.2538]

Yup that’s my takeaway too

[@mickeykyker4837]

It proves he will tell Lori exactly what he knows she wants to hear. That's after she drops the hints as to what she wants. At one point she says I'm here and can't be in charge, meaning normally she is. Regardless who's in charge they are both a couple of murderous monsters.

[@bobbiescales3949]

But where did she think her children were? Or she knew they were dead and he controlled her to be ok with that?

[@bravepotato1305]

I hope he gets the chair, sorry people I’m normally against capital but he’s just sickening

[@jabbermocky4520]

Understand how you feel. But the messiah complex in Chad would enjoy being "martyred". Leave him to rot in solitary for the rest of his life. Plenty of company in his own head.

[@Rhonda6boys]

9:56 I was thinking the same thing What they did to those children was horrible and evil 11:19

[@Hrd4]

I read somewhere in Idaho it's the firing squad! And I agree with you.

[@Figgatella]

Agree!!!

[@vjr5261]

Firing squad in Idaho.

[@c.2538]

I actually almost feel bad for Lori here. She knows the kids are buried on Chad’s property and yet at this time she‘s the only one talking on a jail phone. Still she’s telling Chad “I guess this was meant to happen”. Girl what?? And all lardmouth has to say is “muhrrrrrr yeaaaa I guesssss”

[@Becca-xs6nr]

Just when I thought I had heard, read, saw in pics everything there is to know about this case, I am yet shocked once again. Then in comes a call 06/08/2020 where manipulative Chad is telling Lori that he is texting and getting answers from her DEAD brother Alex and they are laughing and giggling about the whole "project not being done", and tells her to write him (Alex) and he will write her back. Crazy sickening. Well ole Chaddy you supposedly saw a new promise land, but you didn't see you both getting tried for murder? Maybe you can go into a portal in your jail cell and text Alex about that. Let us all know what he says.

[@UnintendedConsequences]

The only ones who are going to use Chad’s portal in the GreyBar Hotel are the other prisoners. 😬🤪

[@eyeswideopen8570]

He must be a false prophet if his prophecy isn't coming true. 😀

[@deadmanswife3625]

I think that was just code for saying they were going to communicate under that guy's. That's before he went to jail so they couldn't really communicate that much anymore

[@Jln258]

I think Alex is cleaning everything up from the other side.....

[@natashafreeman2220]

Lori was mad at Chad over a plan gone wrong. She need so much reassurance from this “prophet”

[@bravepotato1305]

Sickening

[@hereitis.2587]

How to scold the free man so he does the work to free you. Only he is too simple to care to know what to do.

[@kitt7082]

Sounds like Beavis and Butthead.

[@imyourfriend8582]

Yes!

[@marytorbert5212]

Omg, Yes!!! 😂

[@coldisle]

Very disrespectful to Beavis and Butthead to associate them with these two imbeciles!! I hear you!

[@erinstaley2885]

This actually made me LOL. You are so right!

[@msleatha3078]

Yes… Imma repeat it… 0:43 Lori references house renovations. She says that she has been watching “that extreme pools“, and talks about how people underestimate how long a renovation takes. This seems to be her expressing that their own project has hit a snag and is taking a long time to work through. Chad responds very literally to this and begins telling a story about one of Mark’s friends. Lori ignores this anecdote and persists in her euphemism, saying at 1:37 that there is “always something that comes up”. She then acts as though she is quoting the television show ( 1:42 ) from the host’s point of view and says “well we didn’t know when we dug in your backyard they were gonna find… whatever." The pronoun shift from "we" to "they", plus the rise on "know" and the barest emphasis on "whatever" is just the subtleist little clue that what she is actually saying is that we (Chad, Lori, and Alex) didn’t know when we dug in your backyard (Chad’s backyard, when they dug to bury the kids) that they (the police) were gonna find… whatever (bodies, ding ding ding ding!). In response, Chad laughs nervously and shuts up, probably hoping she doesn’t say too much. At this point, Lori tries to bury what she just said by strengthening her comparision to the pool-renovation show and over-talking, probably thinking she’s the smartest woman created (according to Chad) and that law enforcement (who she knows is listening) is too stupid to catch-on to the veiled references she is making and the "construction project" metaphor" she is about to launch. IMHO, of course

[@AnneStewart-oe7rj]

Excellent analysis! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@msleatha3078]

@@AnneStewart-oe7rj Thanks! I am a retired school bus driver, and have overheard quite a few plots, in my time😊 Needless to say, as one who has spent a lifetime protecting children (mostly from themselves), I don't think much of these two. Let's just say I hope to God neither of them ever walks across in front of me while I'm behind a steering wheel

[@Twinkle_Toes88]

Fantastic analysis!! 😊👍 Thank you! 🙏

[@carolt1323]

Chad’s voice sounds just like Jim Jones~ telling people “just drink the Kool-Aid.

[@anamericangirlmom475]

The 3% they're talking about is what they estimated Kay Woodcock would create. Instead she blew the whistle early on and created 100% of their problems.

[@audrieking7109]

Way to go Kay!!

[@MissMolly3377]

I was thinking maybe it was Melanie Gibb, because she was talking to police, but it may have been Kay. Later in the conversation Chad refers to the 3%er as “she,” so it’s one or all of those women.

[@snowwhite2524]

​@@MissMolly3377Or Heather Daybell because Chad and his children believed that Heather got Detective Hope to start investigating Tammy's death and JJ's disappearance.

[@jenn3652]

Whoever it was he says "mute her effect and kind of kept her in her place for quite a while, to the point where it almost defused any value of her." Although it doesn't seem like any of those women were silent at any point. Maybe Melanie? He says "We only discussed the matter once with the trouble and thought we cut it off." Nope probably Kay or Heather.

[@hayalistanbul5418]

Yes, totally agree. They are talking about Kay. Kay started the search with the kids, that's why Lori the loinfire fighter got caught. And l think LV at first thought about giving JJ to Kay "as she was inspired" most likely Chad made her change her mind, he couldn't give up on 2 thousand SS money. Greedy, heartless creatures ...

[@shieh.4743]

These two having this conversation really confirms that Lori is questioning Chad's assurances of his "prophetic" timelines. But she still believes him. A guarantee of the "end date" of the project. Lori:. We killed all these people, so shouldn't the apocalypse start? Chad: He says it is all on schedule. 🤮

[@ellabella6099]

And the end of the world never happened…. Idiots .

[@deadmanswife3625]

I'm really not sure exactly what she's asking

[@doragreen3887]

This was before he was arrested so I wonder if it’s starting to dawn on her that he’s a fraud and she’s a nobody who killed her kids for no GD reason…

[@TiffinyHarrington]

The sleazy laughter…love that the JURY heard this disgusting display…

[@Stacy-]

It was obvious that they were trying to hide the true meaning of this conversation. 🤔🙄

[@mcole8897]

You nailed it!

[@dareneq1]

They've hidden it from me. I'm confused.

[@Hrd4]

​@@dareneq1LOL. I'm glad I'm not the only one! 😂❤

[@Julia-uh4li]

​@Hrd4 Me too. I'm not very good at cracking codes. If I were ever to find myself in one of those escape rooms, I'd never be able to find my way out on my own. 🤣

[@shewill8618]

Filled with innuendo and awkward laughter on Chad's end mostly. Lori was questioning the plan and the, what was assured by Chad, very good outcome for them both. She questioned if the outcome was only good for him with a hint of suspicion and sarcasm. Then he dropped assurances and flattery. How long after this, or was it before, that she ended up in a mental hospital?

[@irisramos173]

“Ray” is in the contractor position. It is Alex. He is supposed to clean things up in the other side of veil but the project went south. They got caught. She is confronting him but is afraid to hear the real truth. He dangles carrots in front of her telling her he knows it will be alright and she is so beautiful….. Chad Daybell is a Mormon Charles Manson with manners.

[@TJP-tq4np]

Oh good grief, the giggling!!

[@nanakoosa1]

Wow! So awkward. And she sounds very angry with him, underneath the giggles. Fascinating 🤔

[@eyeswideopen8570]

She's not getting pampered and spoiled in jail.

[@cherylbutler2452]

Well yeah she's mad. He failed to get his neighbors to put their house up for bond to get Lori out of jail. 😂

[@cherylbutler2452]

​@@eyeswideopen8570And obviously no Botox.

[@eyeswideopen8570]

@@cherylbutler2452 lol, she's used to living the good life. Charles was a good provider, and so was Tammy. Chad and Lori killed their bread winners.

[@eyeswideopen8570]

@@cherylbutler2452 I don't remember hearing this played at Lori's trial. This is gold.

[@JaneJ993]

Keep laughing chad....

[@kathleenp9643]

Exactly!

[@trina7274]

He can laugh right up until they pull the switch!! (Or inject the needle)…. Good riddance… keep on laughing my dude… Dead man walking…. He can laugh all the way to the chair….

[@monicawestrn]

Firing squad is an option in Idaho

[@Shifter22]

Losers.. Omg..

[@goatherder2980]

How can Chad’s kids listen to this and think their Dad had no knowledge of the children’s murder and burial?

[@barbmurraybabss]

Cultists

[@snowwhite2524]

I doubt that they are listening.

[@Hrd4]

I wonder if their not listening! They all think they're so much above all this.

[@dareneq1]

They don't listen to anything or anyone except Chad and Lori.

[@Hrd4]

@@dareneq1 that's what I was thinking too. That's a shame......they need to hear this about their dad they think is so innocent

[@rebcol4926]

These two are incredibly bonkers.

[@VanessaKittredge]

It’s rather striking… both Chad and Lori were not working, and pretending to be an author and selling eight books a year does not count, they both were leaning totally on their spouses or in Lori’s case the kids social security money, and they both conspire to create this grandiose image of themselves. They are emotionally bereft and psychologically shallow. EVIL.

[@susanpotts3691]

Bravo well said

[@bonnie_gail]

lazy, grifting, murderers

[@barbpace-lamb]

Are they giggling about the graves?

[@Yachtnurse51]

That’s part of it😪

[@Warwck24]

Pretty much

[@Warwck24]

Pretty much - 3 percent getting caught

[@birtajonsdottir9910]

They appear to be giggling about some construction show that Lori's watching, then construction in general. Then, they start mixing their metaphors. But once they start talking about digging, soil, etc., that's when the fbi got enough probable cause to go dig up these poor babies in Chad's backyard 😢

[@hnormizzle]

@@birtajonsdottir9910They’d been planning the dig several days before this. It was ultimately the location of Alex’s phone on the day Tylee was last seen that led them to the backyard.

[@audrieking7109]

She definitely sounds so uncertain and rattled. I think she has her doubts and was scared he wasn't right.

[@lisakelhoffer2348]

I think they thought Alex would still kill people for them even though he was dead and I wander who else was going to be killed

[@citygirl729]

They think they're so smart and so sly and the prosecution put it all together! Their whole timeline, their text messages and phone calls, literally everything!

[@StellaFl]

Nate, when you interview Summer Shiflet at CrimeCon ask her why she did not include any photos of Tylee and JJ in that tribute video she made of Alex while she included photos of every other kid in the family. The kids had not been found yet when she posted it on KZbin and she and her mother were saying at the time that there was no way Alex had done anything to them. There are also very few photos of Lori in that same video. Summer knew.......

[@rubyoro0]

Maybe he could tell her to say hi to their hitman for me.

[@hayalistanbul5418]

Summer Shiftlet was a co-conspirator for the murd3r of Charles Vallow's, that's for sure...

[@Brookeloun]

Talking in code. Disgusting.

[@Roastar2]

This is what serial killers sounds like

[@user-cc6ek2ps2o]

He's called a SLUG for a good reason.

[@hilareenelson3950]

Blueprints! Blueprints! Blueprints! When Lori talks about the down payment is she saying the kids were the down payment? That was the first thing I thought of. So heartbreaking.

[@StellaFl]

Yes, I thought so too. Maybe some sort of sacrifice?

[@truthseeker2731]

That’s exactly what I thought too!

[@bonnie_gail]

sounds like they made a deal with an unsavoury spirit character requiring human sacrifices

[@gbbthrift7931]

There is so much here. So much code speak. Wondering if 3% was in reference to Alex, and when he (what I am now thinking was self inflicted) died, instead of being the 3% fall guy, it was now 100% Chad and Lori’s problem. So 5 problems they have to deal with… 🙄 The most important part of this call is proving that Lori looked to Chad for guidance. She was always seeking his approval.

[@dstat74]

Having six teenage grandkids, Chad’s emotional maturity is more consistent with an 11-12 yr old. They’re both so creepy and don’t seem to give a care Lori’s two children are buried on that property. In fact, they seem proud of it. I’m glad they’re so stupid.

[@bono19531]

They really don’t have anything to talk about except all this crazy stuff.smh!!

[@moniqueratelle-babin2155]

The way he speaks so slow and low..creepy. he sounds very immature and definitely not much experience with the ladies. Tammy was probably his first. When he started getting attention from some of the wacky religion ladies it went to his head and that was the start of his false bullcrap. People were listening. He kept shoveling it.

[@HaveHimJolene]

Very spot on. Poor Tammy putting up with this boy/man for way too long.

[@linda-rt7dr]

I think they were laughing cause they thought they got away with it with it

[@laurahendricks5138]

You guys have laughed through this whole conversation of murdering your kids and plotting against it, which tells me that this is premeditated and if I was on the jury, I wouldn’t be stupid. I would just put guilty. You wouldn’t have to ask me anything. I’d be guilty.

[@GMAblue-lg5se]

I wonder who was in the next batch

[@carlatownsend5211]

Been wondering why he went to trial. He loves being the center of attention? When he gets the death penalty, he will call himself a Martyr. As if Jesus needs Chad's help to come back. How could she, or anyone, think that dullard was worth following. He is the ringleader for sure, and now everyone, including the jurors know it

[@deadmanswife3625]

Well he had nothing to do with Alex attempted murder on Joseph Ryan's life who eventually ended up an unattended death in his own apartment after 10 years battling with Lori

[@kmktime]

I can't wait for Dr John Matthias to analyze this one!!

[@janetrathnau2645]

Wow!!! Im listening to Chad talk and all I can say is "what a crock of BS". !!!!! Wth does she see in this duffas ??

[@lovesilk1]

Her malignant narcissism fed on his BS.

[@terryschoeppe6251]

What does he see in her very shollow

[@laurameyer5697]

When they compare paintball gun to rifle they should not look at sides of guns but compare how they look when staring down the barrel.

[@rubyoro0]

How do you know Tammy didn’t see it’s side profile when he ran back?

[@StellaFl]

I was thinking the same, he was facing her standing between her and the door and trying to shoot her.

[@patriciafoster3347]

I’m just gobsmacked. They thought they would get away with it. Seriously?

[@klutzykate123]

Lorie sounds pretty worried and is annoyed that Chad is saying the things she wants to her…..and making a big joke out of the timeline while she’s in jail wanting to get out

[@deadmanswife3625]

Was this before or after she spent all that time in the psych ward? It was before it must be. She was the activities director there and enjoyed great popularity amongst the other mentally ill

[@Scorpio1976]

IT JUST CLICKED THAT CHAD IS ACTUALLY PSYCHOTIC AND SHE IS A FOLLOWER OF HIM AND SHES ALSO INDEPENDENTLY PSYCHOTIC 😳

[@Scorpio1976]

….but fit to stand trial

[@HKavarana]

At sentencing the judge said she was diagnosed with "delusion disorder with hyper religiosity and personality disorder with narcissistic features." Sounds about right.

[@dmullins3772]

Nate, when this is all over I do hope you write a book! Debbi from WA

[@jdoveyk9422]

5 problems… 5 deaths Charles, Tylee, JJ, Tammy, Alex

[@maryserecky3762]

So he has been texting with a dead man. Who texts back. Wtffff

[@ellabella6099]

It’s madness 😂If it wasn’t so evil .

[@bonnie_gail]

lol inquiring minds want to know

[@Missmarple007]

No more Hawaii for you😂

[@Stacy-]

Oh but you forget, they have "portals" to take them wherever. 🤣🤣

[@chud2070]

​@Stacy- I can just picture Chad hudled by his toilet, telling his cell mate not to bother him while he's in his portal. Haha 😂

[@cherylclark135]

😂

[@Missmarple007]

@@Stacy- I don’t think they’ll be seeing Hawaii ever again

[@yankeecitygirl]

Remember how pissed the Hawaiian judge was that these haoles came to her jurisdiction to cause trouble?

[@dukecity7688]

The contractor misses her. He knows her. Cringy - Creepy. Two killers talking in code. Blueprints.

[@coffeepotmommah7291]

Blueprints=their plans??

[@Missmarple007]

How do three grown adults murder four people, leave a trail of evidence behind like they'll never get caught? What r they thinking

[@rubyoro0]

That the world would end soon.

[@Stacy-]

There was no rational thoughts involved... They thought moving to Hawaii would somehow stop the investigation. They aren't the brightest bulbs. 😂

[@kathleenp9643]

Loinfire….is what they were thinking with.🤢

[@Crystal-be4ph]

"It doesn't count for them" - words spoken a few days ago by Lori according to witness testimony

[@deadmanswife3625]

Don't forget Joseph Ryan

[@michellerichard2737]

This is exactly like the Emperor who wore no clothes. These people are so damn delusional!! 😂😂

[@denisekinzle1672]

So true!

[@user-nl1xq2mu4b]

The height of delusion and immaturity...they actually think they are so cool

[@MissMolly3377]

So @ 7:46 Lori says “I know they wanna work on their project, and they’re not too happy I’m in here…” referring to Tammy, Tylee, JJ. I thought maybe Alex too, but the way they’re talking here, she hasn’t “spoken” to Alex, so I believe she is talking about Tammy, Tylee, and JJ. 13:58 Chad says “I mean we only discussed the matter with the trouble once and I thought we cut it off and we did well, and now, the problem is kind of causing its own trouble (giggles) but so… Lori responds, Right, but there’s other things on the project where when I’m going back over it, right, that I could have easily done or been inspired to do to avoid a lot of the issues that are going to come up with that. Chad responds…yeah Lori responds….that we weren’t made aware of, you see what I’m saying? Chad responds mm hmm I believe she was talking about taking out someone, such as Melanie Gibb, or Zulema, possibly Kay…however, at the beginning Chad said they only discussed the matter with the trouble once, so I think it was Melanie Gibb. It also leads me to believe that he is saying that Melanie Gibb or Zulema know exactly what happened. 21:12 Lori says “it will be Cholo and not solo?” Now, go back to the police car, where chad and Emma were talking, Chad to,d Emma his password was “Cholo1105” for his accounts. Also, Chad did his missionary in NJ, within the Hispanic community, look up the word Cholo…they thought they were gang leaders.

[@leticiaarbore2979]

I wonder what he is seeing now? Tell me about your plans Chubby? How’s the blueprints working for you? Is the storm on fire? 🤮

[@lyndseeharrison3134]

Not the storm 🫣

[@pihalcott7066]

Disgusting. Like they have done nothing wrong.

[@02jaguilar]

Chad is going to be found guilty if he was smart he will plead guilty to avoid the death penalty

[@Yachtnurse51]

Maybe he’s still trying to believe that the kingdom will finally beam down and rescue him🤩

[@cyntheathremblat158]

let's not tell him!!!

[@StellaFl]

@@cyntheathremblat158 🤐🤐🤐

[@Soupy1406]

Even if he gets the death penalty, it will be decades before he gets executed. I'm thinking he will live into his 70's before he faces any death sentence.

[@deadmanswife3625]

There's not going to be any execution there will be so much litigation before then and he will be enjoying all his time in the courtroom dressing up in his little white preacher shirts for decades to come he's got it all planned out

[@chacha-Ce83]

So they were going to build over the graves of her daughter and adopted son JJ to protect themselves selfishly from what inevitably was coming the cops beat them to the plan😮i didn’t know that

[@Brookeloun]

Omg,wow, I hadn't thought of that either

[@rubyoro0]

Seriously? This is exactly what it was. How come nobody has put 2 and 2 together?

[@beckylynn209]

He's like a nervous little boy talking to a pretty girl with his giggling after everything he say's.. And then him saying everything is gonna work out?! It was shown to him?? Lol! I hardly think so! 🤨

[@bonnie_gail]

it was so gross when he called her "Lola" the mind reels

[@shelbyhunkler9259]

Secret Squirrel Code Talkers...

[@13mainstreet18]

Chad’s voice is doltish.

[@debbiea9262]

It doesn’t take a detective to figure out they were talking in code 🙄 they truly thought they were smarter than everyone.

[@AA-ws5xk]

Giggling serial killers…

[@imyourfriend8582]

Oh I see how it is. Lori's mad at everyone but herself cause she didn't plan on her butt landing in jail. Good thing she doesn't have a big head, right, Chad?

[@deadmanswife3625]

On day one it was Lori that went after Chad I will never forget when he walked away she said what's the matter are you afraid of me

[@denisegray1903]

THE PLAYER GOT PLAYED

[@CrystalSypolt-pi2tb]

They make me physically ill!

[@dukecity7688]

What is up with the tee heeing - chuckling at the end of every sentence out of Chad's mouth?

[@terripetre8159]

He’s a sick man-child.

[@Buddhabellie]

I don't know who does your thumbnails, but I love this one....

[@SuntoSet77]

I had to do a double read.. Lori is in Jail...she is so joyful ...laughing..giggling . She's deep in denial. He is as well.. I've never heard anyone in jail sound so light hearted !

[@Truth17John17]

Chad giggles incessantly because it's tell-tale duper's delight. He can't help himself. He thinks he has everyone fooled!

[@Truth17John17]

12:17 WHO said "that wouldn't be a problem". WHO are they talking about?

[@89helybely]

GOD - THEY are THAT DELUSIONAL

[@andjeo1008]

Alex and god, I guess.

[@MichaelrennieG]

At the end Chad tells Lori he will TRY to call her back and pray, but how can you pray when their is no act for contrition, how can God answer?

[@LurkinOnLivestream]

Pray is code for sext