New Junction - Hornby TPE 802 'Nova 1' Have they been worth the wait? let's find out!

[@theheavylemons]

Hounded by delays, dogged by price increases - I would say that's a pretty accurate take on TransPennine Express

[@bobbarnacle4309]

LOL how accurate ! brilliant 😄😄

[@EllieMaes-Grandad]

You forgot cancellations . . .

[@dave6695]

As an American, I am a huge fan of British trains and their colorful liveries. On the subject of the flywheel in the power unit of this train, I have an idea. You said that when the flywheel spins, it catches the light ever-so-slightly. My solution would be to brush paint the flywheel a flat black. The flat black paint along with the smoked/tinted window would make it invisible.

[@NewJunction]

That would work well!

[@whitemoor66]

That was exactly what I was thinking, but also makes you wonder why Hornby didn't do that themselves?

[@Allthegauges]

It looks great, as did the LNER and GWR ones. But for me £550 for it is just too expensive, For that, I’d at least want both ends to be motorised personally. Great honest review as well :)

[@NewJunction]

Many thanks!

[@macnavi]

Why would you motorise two ends if it runs perfectly well with one? Seems pointless to me. There are many more cost to a model than just the plastic and metal.

[@2terabytes714]

@@macnavi I've heard that some people stuggle to get thier 9 car sets moving with just one motor coach.

[@macnavi]

@2terabytes714 That is something different. This is a 5 car set, not 9.

[@colemanmannion9249]

What a beautiful model thank you so much for sharing your model I am saving my pocket money and can’t wait to get this on my layout

[@ronniebiggs4026]

I am not a model railway guy but this popped up so I watched it and it was great ! The trains and commentary is spot on “ subbed”

[@NewJunction]

@@ronniebiggs4026 thanks, great to have you on board!

[@ronniebiggs4026]

@ You’re welcome dude .I did watch a clip about a week ago were you and a friend were in a model shop buying some goodies and I thought at the time that’s tidy 👌🎥🥇

[@oleks323]

Great review, thank you Richard. Your class 55 deltic is a masterpiece, just got mine and couldn't be happier! I want 37 now. Already have two 66's and 92s. This is all your fault:)

[@ModelTrainOutsider]

Hello, Richard. I think it is visually stunning, and I have the Azuma from 2022. I think the price is a bit insane for what you get. If we throw out SRPs (suggested retail prices) and what you get them for, I can get a 5-car Märklin ICE4 for the same price or less, which is already fully digital with extensive sound, light, and action functions. I like Hornby, but to start a bit of a ruckus, they are not up to top continental standards, so to be priced higher with a lot less??? I love my Azuma; it's a great model and runner. I want the LumO and Avanti Pride, for £120-£150 less before shop markdowns, they would be a very comparative value-for-money of the top continentals. Just my dumb-American 2 pennies worth.

[@NewJunction]

Very much appreciate your feedback!

[@standclear502]

I've just received my purchase of these superb beautiful models in this eye catching TPE livery ❤

[@NewJunction]

@@standclear502 definitely stands out!

[@mauracurran6500]

Hi Richard, very well done on an honest review it looks stunning

[@NewJunction]

Glad you liked it!

[@TheCastleRailYard]

What an absolute beauty!! Wish I could run one of these one day!

[@ronnysmodelspoor9902]

Looking fab ! It is ( and most new models are) not cheap but then again, so are some phones that people get rid of three years later..

[@Samstrainsofficially]

Very fair, very balanced. Not my cup of tea but will be very nice to see on the big layouts of the world

[@NewJunction]

Many thanks!

[@steve1000017]

Hi Richard l preordered mine from Cheltenham Models and paid £449 but also purchased two Loksound decoders for both power and dummy cabs. It stunning to see on my layout.

[@NewJunction]

Nice one

[@dcb_trains]

What a lovely line up

[@ewoodrailway]

Does look an impressive model however the cost may put many off. Things in general are getting more expensive as we all know and many model railway products are no exception to this. I personally prefer the LNER version as I do in real life. As far as the Dapol 68s, I have two, neither TP , but both weathered. Stunning runners, stunningly well detailed and well made. The TP does look so good on your layout.

[@FormallyknownasE100]

For my money, the TPE livery is squarely between the two of these. Accurascale / Dapol is slightly light (obviously Dapol got there first so maybe Accurascale were keen to make sure it matched. The blue on the 802 just feels like it's got just a bit too much pigment and the grey is light. Granted we only ever normally see these in the North where it's often overcast. A bit of black paint / sharpie on the flywheel might help a little.

[@Jordan-Hunter98]

Great video Richard @New Junction

[@NewJunction]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@richardarcher3435]

That is an impressive looking set, and I agree the livery is gorgeous, but for me you have missed what I consider the most important part of a review of a locomotive, and that is the starts and stops. How a model starts and stops are what define its quality. These models move very smoothly once got going, and that can be partly due to excellent track, but does the realism go out the window when it comes to a station and stop, and then start?

[@christopherlaycock5993]

I immediately went and had a look at photos after this and there is a colour difference between the 68, Mk5 carriages and the 802. The only thing I’d say is the grey on the 802 units could have been dulled down ever so slightly as per the Mk5’s

[@NewJunction]

It may be my exposure setting...

[@millsy_2523]

I think I agree with the general consensus in the comments, £550 is ridiculous. Assume the powered unit costs £150, that’s £100 per coach!!! The HST comparison isn’t the best in my opinion, as they’re ridiculously priced also! I believe Hornby only do it as the HST holds so much sentiment to a lot of enthusiasts so they know that they’ll sell! One HST pack or two Accurascale locos… 🤔 easy choice for me (Accurascale all the way!) If it had two motorised cars then it might be more justifiable. Was it just the one powered bogie too, or both Richard? Maybe I’m being picky but the blue doesn’t match the Dapol and Accura items, which are much closer. On a more positive note, the detail and lighting look really good and I like the easy and innovative way to fit the chip. More importantly for me tho, when are they releasing the Avanti West Coast one that seemed to vanish out of the catalog!

[@railwayjade]

Really love the look and livery of this trainset

[@hovermotion]

Wow that is one nice looking train especially the cab graphics... Superb editing and production.

[@NewJunction]

Thank you very much!

[@AllensTrains]

That's a super cool train that looks resplendent in Transpennine livery! The unfortunate thing is the price! I don't think I shall be buying one. As you indicate, when you add two decoders to the asking price, that's a big bill on your credit card! I shall have to be content with watching your video! Thanks for uploading.

[@gibbosj08]

don't get me wrong its a lovely looking loco but really £500 u can buy a second had car for that money lol alright it wont b as beautiful 😂

[@NewJunction]

Some of the best cars I've owned cost less than £500! 😅

[@nickrails]

In 2025, for £500 you're buying a car that's barely worth the cost of insurance and road tax.

[@robertmarsh3588]

It's crazily expensive, but I don't think you've looked at second-hand car prices for quite a while! Unfortunately, the whole hobby has increasingly become a rich person's activity, which isn't ideal for encouraging future generations. I've come back to model railways after many years and have spent a LOT on TT120 since late 2022. I've also just taken a redundancy package (which means possible retirement) from a relatively well-paid engineering management job so that spend is likely going to slow considerably.

[@corinheathcote9868]

Totally agree £500, I can't afford that. £200 plus for a D.M.U. for my layout is a bit of a wish.

[@aldothenoo]

Love the train and how it looks but sadly well out of my price range.

[@northernblue1093]

A very fair and objective review.

[@NewJunction]

@@northernblue1093 many thanks!

[@brianligat9493]

Totlly agree with comments on TPE livery. Just took a few minutes to like it and then love it. The Chiltern Railways livery is quite slick too. The overhang between coaches was always a downside of model railways, especially on tight curves.

[@chrislef5045]

Wonderful video and presentation - and a beautiful model as well. I hope it has enough weight for those with inclines and declines on their railways... Interesting decoder and keep-alive - seems quite user-friendly! -Chris

[@NewJunction]

Thank you very much! It seemed to run fine 😊

[@FrustratedApe]

Excellent review, its a very striking livery and I like the ease of DCC installation. Pricing is certainy a lot keener than the HST. In theory the blue paint would fade with exposure and washing, and would look even better once weathered.

[@NewJunction]

Totally agree

[@James-Akers]

It does look like a fantastic model, and when they announced it initially, it was pre ordered by myself, but I did end up cancelling it in the end for a few reasons, price being one of them, but also the fact other models came out which were more of a priority for me. I do think I'd be tempted by an LNER Class 800 if they came out and did another run of them, so it can fit with my modern Scottish fleet. Great review and video

[@NewJunction]

Cheers James!

[@lapiswake6583]

I'd love one of these, to go with my Dapol/Accurascale Nova 3 set. And I'd love to see Accurascale use their mk5 tooling to produce the Nova 2s too. However. £394 in 2022 is £437.51 in Nov 2024. So given Hornby weren't starting from scratch but were basing this off their 800/801 tooling, why is the price up to £550? I'd also say that for a 9-car, you really need at least 2 motor bogies. Looking at what's visible here, it has a single motor bogie, which really is inadequate. I'd love a GWR 800/0, 800008 Alan Turing. And a LNER 800/1 as a 9-car. And a TPE 802/2 as here, and a Lumo 803. But I will not pay a penny over £350 for a 5-car, which is £70 per vehicle (or £150 for the motor car and £50 per non-motorised car).

[@Mitche01]

Tough call on the cost, most retailers sell at 494 ish, so lets break it down, 5 units for 494 is lets say 180 for the power car, leaving 314 over the 4 remaining units, thats 78.5 per coach unit. i would judge that a little high, but not too much, eg if they could get the coach price to 60, that would be 180 + (4 x 60) = 420.

[@michaelmiller641]

I like the blue livery. Very sexy look to those trains. The hm 7000 system is amazing! They seem to run very smooth. Anyway, I'll get back to running my 1934 4 sub unit! Great video. I think I payed about £400 for my 5- bel unit years ago.

[@NewJunction]

Thanks for the comment 😊

[@drewsmodelrailwayworld4856]

Great review, stunning train, love this livery, which are different when seen together, but there are common shades of blue across them, and not really noticeable when there running and not standing together, the very slight criticism is the pantograph, there are many examples of more finessed pantographs made from metal which could have been used, and the visible flywheel is a reality v practicality issue, but none of these points are deal breakers for me. Although not a modern era modeller after seeing a LNER Azuma set running at my local MRC recently, I am now sold on this TPE set. On price, compared with other multiple units available, e.g. Bachmann' s South Western Class 159 3-Car set (2 powered cars, each PU unit needs a decoder) at a retailer for GBP560, and a bulk buy deal of 5 Accurascale detailed and lit coaches at a pre-order price of GBP109 each (GBP545), are examples that bring some perspective. Hornby's Lumo version is expected Feb 2025 and has a pre-order retailer price of GBP499.95. ...Drew

[@NewJunction]

Thanks Drew! ❤

[@alanrobertson9790]

I got the GWR 800 and I find the only way you can couple the train together is to turn the carriages upside down so you have access to the couplings and then turn the train around onto the track. This is so inconvenient that I made a cradle for the complete train so it could be lifted off and back onto the track. You don't have this problem with tension lock couplings or a large storage yard. The 800 is also more demanding on track clearances so I had to remove part of a cutting and only have 1 track I can run it on. Fortunately my platform clearances were already OK. I like the snazzy Transpennine more than the GWR livery but I'm not going to buy a second.

[@NewJunction]

Thanks for the comment!

[@scooter0012]

Great looking model. The price is a bit hefty, but the recent financial predicament of Hornby is an accurate indicator of where the hobby is in terms of cost. What must be a given is that if Hornby are going to charge this price for models they have to match and exceed the quality of Accurascale, Bachmann and Dapol.

[@NewJunction]

It's a case of this is what they can do for that price, the other option is they don't bother.

[@timbevan7457]

Great assessment and comparison. I agree that pricing is a little on the steep side for most enthusiasts’ budgets. Would love to see an Avanti livery then I might Be tempted😊

[@NewJunction]

@@timbevan7457 the right livery will always tempt us! 😆

[@timbevan7457]

@ that’s for sure Richard😜

[@Shaunparry]

TPE Nova 1 looks smart on the layout

[@NewJunction]

Thanks!

[@bambostarla6259]

Stunning model! Beautiful colors. I live in Italy so I would of course model italian railways but somehow only own british steam locos 😂

[@NewJunction]

Haha a nice problem to have!

[@karlwilliams8773]

I have one and noticed the draggy wheels. Hopefully the running in a oiling will help. Slightly disappointed to have to do this given what I have paid. All we need now is for someone to do a TPE 185

[@EdwardHallett]

Its a stunning model and if you model the era and have the budget then I am happy Hornby has catered for you. The flip side though is the prices do emphasise the two-tier approach to model railways we seem to be moving into. There are a group of people who can afford the new releases, demand ever higher levels of detail and the manufacturers are doing pretty well in catering to this group. The flip side is there is a growing number of us who operate at the other end of the spectrum. We cannot justify these prices, and even £100 for a Railroad diesel is way out of our price bracket. My interest is the early 2000s, so my fleet is almost entirely made up of second hand Hornby and Lima models that are now pushing 25-30 years old. These used to be available around the £30 price point (although they are now pushing £50 most of the time) and even these are a considerable outlay. We are still modelling and having fun, but 90% of what we buy is second hand. I have a friend who is unable to work and he has an extensive model railway mostly made up of 60 year old Triang locos picked up at shows for under £10 as that is in his price range. I do feel like we are often forgotten about as modellers- even Hornby Magazine's idea of a 'budget; layout project was £500- certainly by the model railway press and even, although there are exceptions, by the KZbin content creators. I certainly don't want to turn this into a battle between the two schools of modelling as that has been done to death and I don't think is helpful, and even on my own limited budget I love the content put out there by many youtubers as it is inspirational (you, Dean park, Everard Junction etc) and I take many ideas that I can adapt to suit my own circumstances, but I do feel we are a large, but largely ignored section of the hobby.

[@alanrobertson9790]

" two-tier" definitely, the hobby is for well-off boomer pensioners (like me) than kids pocket money. I do wonder what will happen to the hobby in 20 years time when the pensioners have died off. My kids liked computer games not railways. Lima were not only cheap but very reliable. Just an occasional change of traction tyres. Even I have my limits. Its difficult to justify £500 expenditure on a train to my wife so will have to pass on this, spectacular though it is.

[@NewJunction]

A Lima model when purchased new would be the same if not more today with inflation.

[@geordieceltic2]

You are bang on, with the two tier modellers.

[@alanrobertson9790]

@@NewJunction I have an excel spreadsheet where I compared the price of locos using my manufacturer catalogues against the earnings index and comparing say Hornby 1970s with Bachmann or Hornby 2022 you are right, similar affordability. *From 1970 to 1990s the prices relative to earnings fell whereas from 2004 to 2022 prices rose.* For example Bachmann 2022 are about 40% more expensive than 2004. The golden age of affordability would be the 1990s when Lima were prevalent. However whilst the affordability in 2022 was comparable to 1970 the locos are far more complex so not comparing like for like. I simply took the most expensive and the cheapest models in the catalogue so this analysis is not very sophisticated. I have not continued this analysis but I would imagine that 2022-24 this index would continued to have risen.

[@EdwardHallett]

@@NewJunction I'm not disputing that, I remember being a teenager in the late 90s/early 2000s and new locomotives were out of my budget even then, I remember being thrilled when I got a new Hornby class 47 for £50 in Beatties with the money for my 18th birthday because it was the first time I had ever bought a loco new. I don't even think the prices today are too outrageous, as the models are gorgeous, detailed and have many features we could only dream about and I certainly don't begrudge people these models if they can afford them. My point is rather that the prices do emphasise the split in modellers, and I do feel like there are a lot of us at the opposite end of the price bracket who are ignored or forgotten about, especially in the mainstream model railway media. The teenager starting out, the guy on a limited income, or with family commitments- they don't have the budget for the latest Hornby or Accurascale products but are still out there, building layouts, making do with second hand track and rolling stock or having a go with home made bits. Its still modelling, still being creative but if you looked at the model railway press you would think these people didn't exist. I do feel that if the hobby is to grow, we need to shine a light on these modellers, their techniques and layouts occasionally just to highlight that not everyone needs lots of money to join in with the hobby.

[@midsomerrailwaynscale]

Nice review Looks Stunning Regards Greg

[@NewJunction]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@michaelteasdill6410]

LOVE IT - £550 AND YOU STILL NEED TO ADD TO IT TO RUN IT

[@marksinthehouse1968]

I’ll leave these to you young executives to buy 😂,happy new year mate Mark 😊😊

[@NewJunction]

Cheers Mark, same to you!

[@matthewbull7]

This does look really good and would fit in with my Azumas and TPE mark 5 but am struggling to secure one

[@NewJunction]

Try local shops

[@howardavins1107]

Enjoy your reviews. Fair and accurate. A lot of money, but I liked your comparison to two Hornsby HSTs, no coaches, 400 pound. I think that is a bigger expense for what you are actually getting. For your money. Your layout is looking fantastic. Regards Howard

[@NewJunction]

Glad you like them!

[@davidcurrie8429]

Hi Richard, A great review of the Hornby TPE 802 Nova 1, it's a superb livery and a good match to the Accurascale Mk 5 coaches and the Dapol 68. I'm very very tempted, but waiting for the Hornby Class 755/4 Flirt to arrive. Regards, David.

[@NewJunction]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@alanrobertson9790]

Same here, keeping the money for a flirt.😂

[@ZalMoxis]

You've got some magnificent pieces trundling around on the layout there..... 👍

[@NewJunction]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@AJGossTrains]

7:19 very nice indeed 😁🥳

[@kennethbrunt9682]

As always another good review. I particular like the comparison with the Mk5 coaches set by Accurascale. I am hoping that your company will produce another set of the Transpennine MK5's as I missed out on the 1st run.

[@NewJunction]

I hope so too!

[@Jonnyuk365]

A great balanced review Richard ,you could of gone to town and ripped it apart given who you work for, really well done on a good fair review 👍

[@NewJunction]

Thanks 👍I try to avoid pointlessly ripping things apart, this is a hobby to be enjoyed. 😊

[@Planestrains-d5e]

Thanks for a great - balanced and fair - review. It looks fabulous and the scheme is stunning - but not my era, unfortunately. I’m not averse to forking out - I have Hornby’s APT and two of their latest HST power car sets in the original livery - and if it *was* my era, I’d definitely add this to the collection. You didn’t say a lot about its running - is it smooth, good at low speeds as well as high? Thanks again for this review - excellent stuff!

[@NewJunction]

Good point, runs perfectly fine 🙂 👌

[@chelmswoodjunction]

Great looking livery shame it's not my area. And we'll done tony from tonys trains of rugby for getting you to buy it lol. Happy new year to you and all the family xx

[@NewJunction]

Thanks 👍

[@reecyvidz]

Ive just ordered one from Tesco, a little bit cheaper! I know its expensive I had to get it out of my savings, but having photographing these trains for a few years and being a enthousiast of this livery, its absolutely worth it. Absolutely is the best looking livery on the UK network, love the geometric design, I have a scarf in a simular pattern! ❤ Thanks for a great video!

[@ap.broadcasting]

Nice review but nearly £600 (when decoders are added) is getting into Marklin Prices which come with working pantographs (In metal) and level od detail they work to commands the price. Ill wait until they end up on discount like the APT did at TMC. However that being said it looks a stunning model and well done for Hornby fir producing it.

[@NewJunction]

Over £600! 😅

[@ColinPotts-u6f]

Woww it looks amazing 🎉🎉🎉

[@NewJunction]

@@ColinPotts-u6f it's very smart

[@justinclayton3022]

At £550 and in 00 you would think speaker & enclosure would be included. Heck, even the £160 TT:120 locos usually include one.

[@garysoap7925]

In my opinion on, it’s a brilliant model or a if you model in the area. I would purchase one myself if I weren’t saving up for a couple of the 755 units Hornby is currently working on .

[@NewJunction]

Nice, hopfully worth the wait!

[@timbervalleyproductions]

Great video, it looks absolutely amazing! Just need them to do an updated GWR 802 and for me to win the lottery then i'll order one 😂😂

[@NewJunction]

Haha remember me when you win! 😆

[@bmofano]

I tell ya what was worth waiting for!! New Junction uploading again

[@NewJunction]

@@bmofano very kind, thanks

[@cyborgbadger1015]

Hounded by delays, dogged by price increases, I was sorely disappointed there was no canine related punchline at the end Richard.

[@NewJunction]

A missed opportunity

[@stephenbromley2302]

Yes £500 sounds a lot but you do get a whole train even with Accurascale if you bought a Deltic or class 50 plus 5 or 6 mk2b/c coaches it would be a similar price it’s just a lot to layout in one go.I suppose Hornby could of released the 2 end cars then a coach pack as they did with an earlier 800 set to break it up.I have the azuma and GWR sets so won’t be getting the tpe but it does look good.

[@NewJunction]

A deltic and 4 mk2bs would be £150 less at full RRP 😆

[@stephenbromley2302]

@ if you can find them without eBay prices

[@dinmorejunctionmodelrailway]

Fair play. While employed by Accurascale, it's great to see New Junction free of any restrictions. Secondly may be you should do more given your past experiences with Hornby Magazine. It's not a train I would ever buy as it's not for my heritage railway. I thought the idea of access to the PCB and decoder port was a good one. Shame you didn't do a full install and set up of the Hornby TXS Sound profile. Thanks for taking part at the NEC of my Proper Chuffed Mug on Tour. Why not check that out and comment, like, and share. Go on, you know it makes sense. Regards. Steve

[@NewJunction]

Hi Steve, The powers at Accura are refreshingly progressive! ❤ I only look over stock I buy, rather than everything, I ll leave that to the experts. 😊

[@georgethomas7814]

You can put any train onto a layout as a visitor..... specially if you have a feature heritage layout.

[@dinmorejunctionmodelrailway]

@georgethomas7814 While you are right to a degree, my layout is a table size OO Gauge, and a five 5 car train would be more than 50% of my layout. It's too modern and unsuitable for that reason. It's not for me.

[@georgethomas7814]

@@dinmorejunctionmodelrailway Don't sell yourself short mate. Table size is about as big as most of us will ever have. I can remember being very disappointed not being able to fit a 4 carriage train at my platforms. Thank goodness there are club layouts.

[@ilricettario]

Playing with model trains much better than the real thing. Delayed is the operative word! If they're not on strike there's some other excuse for cancelled services. If you want to smash the thing against a wall in frustration it's worth the wait.

[@andrewlaverghetta715]

Looks great! So to be sure, this only has one powered loco, right? But is it that it will take two chips for sound at both ends?

[@NewJunction]

@andrewlaverghetta715 you need the second chip for the lights at the rear

[@onnomulder9775]

Awesome trainset mate!! Enoy it! Cheers Onno.

[@NewJunction]

Many thanks!

[@hk0752]

A fine one to talk about ' THE WAIT ' announced in November 2022 and still not arrived in the shops and if we are lucky March 2025. think about.

[@NewJunction]

Which is why I'm sympathetic to it 😁

[@Rondon68]

Where are hornby trains made. Still in the UK or is it China or somewhere else. I had about 3 hornby train sets for Xmas growing up. In fact I've still got a little steam engine, like a shunter and as I'm 57 in a couple of months it must be 45/50 years old. Got nothing else of all my train sets. I wonder if the motor still works as I've been thinking of turning the spare room into a model railway. But £500 is a bit steep. Need to start off second hand ect. Need to look up where to start. Got plenty of plywood to lay tracks ect. Any advice would be appreciated.

[@anfieldroadlayoutintheloft5204]

great vlog nice work thanks for share

[@NewJunction]

Thanks for visiting

[@Bandit_Barclay_Model_Railways]

I have the LNER version and dad got the TPE 1. My only criticism on both sets is the DVT could do with pick ups on both boggies rather than just 1. I had to fit a stay alive to mine just to stop the decoder resetting and mucking up the light functions awhlie running. They are fantastic models otherwise

[@NewJunction]

Good point 😊

[@LaurenceHoward-f4h]

Is there a cost difference between this model and ones in the different liveries?. Nice review.

[@NewJunction]

@@LaurenceHoward-f4h nope

[@Xantec]

now Kato have the tooling for the 800 in N, wonder if they will do an 802 in N gauge?

[@NewJunction]

Fingers crossed

[@Xantec]

@@NewJunction i have toyed with the idea of getting my GWR 800 in N resprayed

[@stephensimmonds184]

The price is the price, buy or do not buy. This has taken 3 years to come to market, and the price has increased several times. Not the only model that has taken this long (Black 5, 2MT etc). Order direct from Hornby on announcement day and you fix the price. Then you have time to save up if you need to.

[@TomScrut]

Have they changed the lighting? I recall reading somewhere they were adding separate day/night lighting to them, despite the fact they don't have that in real life as far as I am aware. I had a pre order with Hornby at £400. Due to the uncertainty about the end colouring (which they have improved since) I cancelled it. I'll probably bite of they get down to that price again but given they seem to be sold out at quite a few places I might struggle. That is unless the stock they have had so far was rushed in for year end and there's another batch following on. I am just struggling with the price of this when my Revolution 180 with ESU sound is going to cost less! Really need somebody to do a 185!

[@TomScrut]

I do also think that the colour issue was started by Dapol getting it so wrong to begin with. Hornby have actually got it as close to right on the end as anyone. I suspect that Accurascale maybe went the correct side of the Dapol one but didn't go too far knowing they had to sit together with the 68.

[@class50thrasher]

I think its a great model to be fair! Not my era im 80s to 90s NSE (Hence why i have 6 50s) but im trying to make a seperate layout thats like a preserved layout. I think an 80x would be nice to have say for a background running line where the mainline and preserved line cross over (As my preserved line is northerly based) but it's too expensive!

[@NewJunction]

You see the first variants come up for £300 mark, so in time I'm sure a bargin will be found.

[@suffolkpompey]

It adds insult to injury when on top of paying out £500 quid for it, you've then got to buy the chips as well. It really does take the ****

[@going2thedogs]

Certainly a striking livery.

[@NewJunction]

Very

[@wamgoc]

Unfortunately, that’s what models cost these days! Not my area, but looks good going round the layout!

[@NewJunction]

Thanks 😊

[@ianmacaulay4936]

Thats a great looking model. I usually go for 1970's era models, but at the NFRM in November (ex Warley) I saw the Hornby Flirt and thought that it looked fabulous, I'll consider buying one of those when they appear. Nice to see the videos coming more often!

[@NewJunction]

My pleasure!

[@OlliesTrainsGaming427]

Out of curiosity will they eventually do the TPE 802 in N Gauge?

[@NewJunction]

@@OlliesTrainsGaming427 dunno

[@247Trains]

Great, video

[@NewJunction]

@@247Trains thanks!

[@TanVasinTrains]

I really love the TPE class 802 but the £500 price tag is way to expensive for me.

[@NewJunction]

That's a shame!

[@CAshleyMoss]

Hi Richard. A key issue for me is whether Accurascale are going to do a second run of their TPE set. I believe you’ve said that one is planned.

[@NewJunction]

Everything crossed, just waiting to see what happens to the real Mk5s

[@m10cachilles43]

I thought the rumours were that they were going to Chiltern Railways?

[@ikorraks]

Brilliant review but if you're on a budget these recent prices seem to be going up and up. I'm exclusively buying second hand now for my layout, which is a shame as it feels like the hobby becomes less friendly to people starting out each year at these price points.

[@NewJunction]

Nothing wrong with second hand

[@brentleajunction]

All look great not my era lot of money I have the mk5 TPE and the dapol 68 if I wanted one I'd go buy 1 😂😂

[@NewJunction]

😂

[@jameshall7366]

For £500 I would expect low slung motors with mini flywheels in every trailer for a more prototypical drive system. Having a large motor in one driving trailer is more akin to a 225 set, just doesn't seem right to me.

[@macnavi]

The one thing I was wondering, seeing this train, is if the seats in the real one are just as terrible as the cardboard seats in the GWR IET?

[@NewJunction]

These seats are softer haha

[@macnavi]

@ What a relief!

[@justinfuller8803]

The livery is no scratch to the pre-grouping liveries.

[@NewJunction]

😆

[@trainsontuesday]

I love my Azuma but for some inexplicable reason I just do not like the TPE 802 class so I wont lose any sleep thinking about having a model of one.

[@NewJunction]

Aha I wouldn't either

[@alanrobertson9790]

Indifference is always the strongest position!

[@uproid]

Although you focused more on comparing the blue shades between the Horny/Dapol/Accurascale models, for me it is the grey of the colour scheme that seems to be the issue. The real thing is a kind of metallic grey finish - when I saw the Hornby TPE on the Hornby show at a stand, it looked really bright white, which looked completely wrong. The Dapol and Accurascale (which I have) seem to have captured this well. Difficult to tell on the video, because as you say it is affected by lighting and settings, but how does the Hornby grey/white background on the production coaches look when alongside the Dapol/Accurascale train? Do they actually look like they are the same livery?

[@NewJunction]

@uproid hmmm very good question, I can't say it stood out enough to notice?

[@adrianarnold8554]

Due to the fact that TPE have been in 'government hands' for a while, the sets should be produced without the 'A First Group Company' branding. We don't need reminding of the farce that was. Other than that, Hornby have done a great job and the model looks fantastic

[@NewJunction]

Good point 😅

[@drewsmodelrailwayworld4856]

Agreed, mind you if model makers had too take into account Government decisions would we ever get any liveried models, or maybe we'll get a GBR Corporate livery, that went well under British Rail, not! Pullmans in blue and grey, yuk LOL ...Drew

[@pauljonnson1181]

And for that price it have to all diecast and loads of detail etc

[@NewJunction]

The motor car is nice and heavy

[@martinfinbow2120]

Hornby need to urgently address the issue of constant delays and price rises. They need to wait until a model is tooled and they have working samples before announcing items. This way customers don't get frustrated with arrival dates being constantly changed and more importantly, Hornby have a better idea over the final price so it doesn't keep going up with each year the project is delayed.

[@NewJunction]

World events don't help either sadly

[@davidstrains4910]

I am thinking of getting this pack as I have the Mk5s and it would be good to run them side by side, when it comes to y(e price it is expensive and it will make people complain but unfortunately it’s the reality of wanting things like this, units will always bring with them a fairly high price and unfortunately buyers just don’t want that to be the reality but unfortunately it is and it’s time they started accepting it, as I say I am thinking of getting this purely because I also have the Mk5s but also when I used to go to Leeds for my job I also got to see them on occasion departing platform 16, unfortunately 8 don’t get to see them as muc( now as I don’t go to Leeds for my job.

[@NewJunction]

They're great along side the Mk5s, as in the video. 😊

[@Joseph-oojoe]

All that and it’s not dcc fitted?

[@pauljonnson1181]

Lovely looking loco 550 pounds expensive. I don't do 00 550 bit much

[@NewJunction]

Thanks

[@anthonydebski5814]

Meanwhile, Across the DEVELOPED World, HIGH-SPEED & Safety is in Vogue...visit Japan, France, Germany, et al.......!!

[@danielbrooks3452]

Who makes your station in the video please

[@NewJunction]

PJM models, you can buy kits from Key Model World shop. 😊

[@benzinapaul7416]

Great looking units but like the real things always delayed and rip off prices. What discount do you get or do you get them free as part of your job?

[@NewJunction]

@benzinapaul7416 I purchased this from my local model shop, at the same price as everyone else. Just took a while to save up the pennies. 😊

[@jamiesworld1690]

What's difference between nova1 and azuma

[@NewJunction]

800s are Electric and 802s are Bi-modes IIRC 😊

[@AnthonyAnthony-o4v]

Nice train , ridiculous price typical Hornby. 😮