"New Light" - How the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses Insults the Intelligence of Millions

[@jaybabcock4557]

This cult has gone so far away from what it was its unrecognizable. The thing is the rank and file get these changes over time and do not notice it because its a lot like the frog in the cooking pot.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Excellent illustration! If this was the old Theocratic School you would get a pass LOL! It's true, they are masterful at slow drip propaganda....the vast majority have NO clue what is happening to them and don't study.

[@terridovey7648]

I think it's because a few of their gb members are in the Freemason's who are in reality, luciferians. So the higher degrees up they go, the worse the teachings and judgements gets. 🤔 Love always my friend. 🌸💕🌸✝️🙏

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@terridovey7648 Lot's of interesting history regarding Freemasons reaching back to Russell

[@annamarina3087]

Their new light is simply refashioned old ideas to suit to coming generation. In that way the cult has always remained the same - they keep you waiting. So far their tactic has worked pretty well. But, hopefully more people will wise up and get the confidence they need to just walk away without suffering damage to their Christian faith, knowing neither Jehovah nor Jesus wrote the Watchtower.

[@daleprice8111]

AMEN THE 🙏 WATCHTOWER SUBLELY DOES THAT AND IM GLAD YOU SEE THAT .

[@jaygee2611]

What a great episode, you do such a thorough and interesting analysis of the topic. I associated with JWs for about 10 years. When I faded away in the mid-80’s, I wondered how this dooms-day-religion would handle the “End” not coming. I was so shocked to watch the Splane explanation of the overlapping generation. I felt so sorry for JW rank-and-file, especially for old-timers that may have realized that they were “duped”. Also, prior to the Splane explanation, I read in Ray Franz’s book that the writing committee floated the idea of shifting the date of the beginning of the last days to the 1950’s, to coincide with the Sputnik launch (something about a passage in the Bible of celestial signs and wonders). It was rejected. But, that hit me like a ton of bricks. The realization that the staff at the Bethel writing department were engaging in religious “creative writing”. I thank God that I escaped that deceptive cult!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thanks Jay! Wow, you were fortunate to get out during the '80's! I'm sure when you heard the 'generations' fantasy you must have laughed. It's tragic the millions of people that have been trapped and continue to believe in such fantasy. Creative writing is right......they make it up as they go, damaging lives in their wake!

[@southernbawselady7092]

We were definitely raised in a Secret Society with a lot of "Loaded Language" also known as "Word Speak"... It was set up that way to make us feel so special in God's "one true" religion! Many "outsiders" don't relate and that's why a lot of times it's hard to leave the organization and go into the real world because it's like you're living on another planet, but we will find our true identity which they tried to steal from us! Let's keep💪 fighting! 🙏💜

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

The loaded language and words come off as normal when you're raised a JW: 'the truth'...'brothers and sisters'....'the anointed'....all creepy when you step back

[@vusimngomezulu2500]

Which church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16,24:14,28:19-20,Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..

[@vusimngomezulu2500]

​@@survivingparadisepodcastWhich church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16,24:14,28:19-20,Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..

[@oseus8686]

Their light is flashing!!!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Strobe light!!

[@liv328]

I am really open about sex and it's always been an issue for me as a former JW. I hated how dirty and awful they made sex, masturbation, and oral sex. The Questions From Readers The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom-1972 absolutely infuriated me! That 8 old guys with ED think they can tell me what I can do with my mouth or my husband his, (no licky no sticky LoL) pissed me off beyond belief! I swear, when I read that article I went from PIMI to PIMO in an instant!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

YEP! They can even enter the bedroom! LOL, it's insane on so many levels. Oral sex was a disfellowshipping sin at one point.....between MARRIED PEOPLE!

[@liv328]

@@survivingparadisepodcast The level of control is disgusting! The WT Society claims to be a monotheistic religion, I would have to disagree as it seems to me Kenneth Cook, Samuel Herd, Geoffery Jackson, Mark Lett, Gerrit Losch, Anthony Morris, Mark Sanderson, and David Splane have complete and ultimate control over some 8 million people. Sounds like a polytheistic religion to me. How pagan....

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@liv328 and it sure doesn't line up with Psalms 146:3....and that's just the beginning!

[@muzikman74]

Hey man…Love your videos. If you ever want to do an interview let me know. I’m a former bethelite. I also left in 2009. I did so much research its insane. I was raised in it and now I’m 48. I was in bethel in 1999-2001…I saw A LOT OF STUFF THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE AWARE OF.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

I'm moving that way muzik! Noted, lets stay in touch, I'd love to do an episode where we talk about life at bethel!

[@gisella1350]

Thank you so much for alerting people. I feel so sad for people who blindly follow without question these 8 blood guilty men. I was you, once upon a time. Thank goodness over time I saw how stupid, mean, and dangerous this man made organization is. Freedom is a good feeling.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you! Agree....freedom is SO worth it!!

[@grannygriffin377]

If apostates are mentally ill, it is because the watchtower has driven us 😧 crazy!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Yes!!

[@georgebrito-dq2yu]

This segment reminds me of my A/C , it increases the temperature during the day when I am not home and decreases in the afternoon when I am coming home.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL true George!

[@Charleneslife-23]

Your videos are so thought provoking. Thanks for making them. I agree with you that the JW religion will never go away and as you rightly said there are too many people in this world who would rather someone else do the thinking for them. JWs will never get rid of the no blood doctrine for fear of the repercussions. As one elder told me in my JC that if he sees something in the Bible that does not support a current teaching of the GB, he will patiently wait until the GB eventually agree with the Bible. With such thinking you’ll come to the realization that a lot of the JWs are not students of the Bible but are men pleasers.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you Jammin...I've had eerily similar conversations with fellow elders. Brain completely checked out. They disobey their own most commonly quoted scriptures. It's criminal what the blood doctrine has done. Every bit as damaging as any other deadly cult.

[@WWZenaDo]

The Watchtower Society is changing at breakneck speed, but significantly it is NOT improving or evolving. These frantic changes are more like the twisting death-throes of a dying snake.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

They're in trouble. It will take time, but information is too accessible now. Young people see right through the insanity or stay in and live secret lives. It isn't the same 'religion' it was in the 70's

[@ScarletEyeMoon]

Thanks for this, I just love how you demolish any belief left in this religion.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thanks Bron, I appreciate your thoughts!

[@janicemorton7581]

One of the best candid video's that Ive come across so far, I have just subscribed..now I must go to work, boo hoo!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you Janice! I appreciate the kind words; we are working!

[@ttheboytwo]

Love it! Keep up the good work.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

thank you!

[@markweatherill]

It's like '1984' in real life! And, as Pontius Pilate once asked, 'What is truth?'

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

George Orwell is smiling somewhere

[@robynjansen9031]

To believe in "new light" then one must believe that Jehovah and Jesus lead with lies until it no longer suits them.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

...or have really bad memories, right? ;)

[@CromartiesKids49]

That transplant thing about having memories or feelings or connection to something you didn’t is somewhat true for some. I don’t know about becoming that person but that was a shot in the dark they somehow at least hit the rim on. Even a broken clock is right twice a day lol.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL, great point Cromarties...it's a fairly deep thing to look at

[@ZeteticPlato]

First was Crisis of Consciousness Now it's Crisis of Spirituality

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

It's just an endless 'crisis' isn't it?

[@lizzidpeepole]

Well done. Thank you for the research and brining it all together so well. Not easy

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you Phil, I appreciate you listening!

[@galaxiethinker183]

I am a current Jehovah's Witness but definitely not a Believer many of us are in a terrible situation because our entire families are witnesses and we don't speak out or leave for fear of being just disfellowship or shunned , No one has the answer to this problem that so many if us are face every day.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Galaxie, my heart goes out to you. It is a the plight of MANY who are still 'in' the religion. They are trying to hold on to their loved ones, friends, sometimes jobs. The answer is to be very quiet, ....fade. Don't do anything rash....I hate for people to lose their family.

[@lorawilliams346]

FADE MY FRIEND FADE! THEY MAY NOT TREAT YOU WONDERFULLY BUT AT LEAST YOU CAN HAVE SOME SORT OF RELATIONSHIP..HARDEST THING IS TO HAVE TO CENSOR YOUR OWN THOUGHTS AND SPEECH AROUND JW... THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD OR HEALTHY WAY TO LEAVE JW..WHICH JUST REINFORCES THE FACT THAT THEY ARE A CULT!!

[@mattmurdock2868]

God has the answer, here it is, God has amassed for Himself an Army of concerned families and friends, "Apostates," victims, and survivors, to tear down this abomination of a false religion. And, in the Mighty name of Jesus, it IS coming down. Christ has triumphed over Watchtower, and given us the Victory! And we, His people, exalt over IT!! Hallelujah! TIIIIMMMBBEERR!

[@julieellis2076]

Be true to yourself.

[@stackmosayless-1669]

Hey I understand I grew up a JW only made to to the Baptism questions and urbaptized pub. I never could wrap my mind around the "organization" instead of Father, Son, and Holy Spririt. My last ditch dffort to supposed renew or find a reason was to take a trip to Walkhill then is where I saw the Divine Plan of the Ages. I told my Bible study who is a elder and could not get any answers. My father believes me and still goes my mom passed away a devout believer.

[@andrewchristou2857]

Brilliant points made, right on point , the inconsistencies are absolute fact and deserve total derision, so many people have gone to their graves with falsehoods and lies for what was 'truth'. Well done !!👍👍

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you, truly appreciated!

[@AJ-rv2nw]

For years the number of memorial partakers was declining (evidence of the imminent end), until the generations doctrine changed. Since then they are increasing. The WT explained it as some may be mentally ill, or mistaken, or some former partakers were replaced because they fell away. Interesting spin.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Correct and a MASSIVE spin job that isn't questioned enough by JW's. Unfortunately, many JW's simply don't understand what they believe!

[@daleprice8111]

WATCHTOWER NOW IS TRYING TO REWRITE THEIR HISTORY BY TRYING TO ERASE THEIR HISTORY SO NEW ONES WANT KNOW THEIR TRACT RECORD !

[@PhiloLogos777]

If the elders always blab to their wives who spread things through the rumor mill then how come that doesn’t happen to accused pedos who skate by on the two witness rule? Knowing that about the culture that always perplexes me how they keep the predators a secret. Can you speak to this?

[@lk1590]

I grew up in the '80s and had I not run away from home, I'd have lost on my higher education and job prospect only to see the people who tried to stop me, put their children through higher education. I'm glad I was rebellious and did what I did. I'd have grown old really resentful if I hadn't.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

I wish I had done what you did! Once that time is gone...it's gone. And they've robbed millions of their youth and potential.

[@Hawxx9194]

Here's a question for a practicing jehovah's witness: If the governing body is neither inspired nor infallible, where does new light actually come from? I would love to see the look on their faces!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

😆 I love the way you think!

[@superdave1921]

Every time I heard them say, “the reason for the change is because the light is getting brighter” meant to me that they f’kd up again and now they wanted to save face and change another false belief! 👍

[@steved3001]

I faded in 1996. The watchtower corporation today is barely recognizable to what I remember. I believe the internet was the death knell for them and all religions. Not uncommon to see defunct kingdom halls with "FOR SALE" signs posted.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

You were ahead of me, however I can't agree more. It isn't even the same 'religion' I grew up in. It's evolved into something unrecognizable. These music videos 😄

[@laveritesurlestemoinsdejeh8522]

I remember when I first saw David Splane Splainin' the generations thing...I was actually laughing out loud! Even in the 80's I was wondering about the 1914 generation dying off. When I left, I knew they were going to have to come up with something to get out of that. Boy, did they ever....

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

That was the beginning of the end for so many people. Complete insanity....to think people stayed and accepted it defies all logic

[@lovelifesmile]

Great again. You are showing how utterly rediculous this cult really is. New people going in do not realise their utterly stupid turnarounds so pleased to see their history being shown. Watchtower have caused so much pain and death. Thankyou for your podcasts, they are brill

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

thank you!

[@jennydarling1368]

Have you read February 1881 Zion watchtower on page 3 paragraph 3. Partial quote" A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New light" never extinguishes older "light"but adds to it. Great article.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

YES, it's a fantastic quote by a guy (Chuck Russell) that they still hold in high regard. Amazing isn't it?

[@pamelaruth7400]

I love the way you address these topics! Keep up the great work!

[@jaybabcock4557]

I am half way through and I can tell you were an elder. So many videos by people who are not really familiar with the cults teaching. I have talked about this when I was a JW . I left in 1995 when they changed the meaning of Generation again. The local elders in my hall said it was a "clarification" This was total BS.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thanks Jay... unfortunately, was in deep and an eleven year elder, 5 year ministerial servant. The 'generation' teaching, now on its SIXTH round of 'new light' was responsible for many people walking out in my time as an elder and WT conductor. "clarification?"...nice try. It blew up the entire religion. They tried to sneak it in, but those that study and listen perked up and walked out.

[@francoisbeland7188]

Hi, Surviving Paradise, and thanks for sharing your experience and the irrelevancy and contradictions of a lot of the GB and the WT's changing teachings over the years. Going back and forth from light to darkness and from darkness to light, and on and on, really makes a religion unworthy of trust. In fact, apart from cults, I have never seen such a ''religion'' before. I am currently a non-baptised publisher. I have been going back and forth too, in this organization for years, since 1992. When the pandemics started, I rushed in again, because I was in fear and I thought about the prophecies. Was I being stupid ? Or, simply reacting like a sincere Bible reader that I was, way long before knowing the JW's ? But I must say that all these years, I have found so much ambiguity in the organization, in the doctrine, in the structures, in the behavior of JW's within the congregations. Their definition of ''christian love'' and the way they express it towards one another, is rather strange, plus, this ''love'' is conditionnal to what degree of obedience and zeal you show for participating in the meetings, preaching and studying the WT publications the way they tell you to. I have noticed, ( and I guess that you did too) that this ''love'' changes intensity and modify within weeks, days, hours and even minutes, if your presence or zeal in the congregation modifies. It's like watching an electricity or radio-activity detector that changes it's reading every seconds, depending on where, when and how, the flow of energy is showing ! Isn't it strange ? But I wanted to know if, now that you are out of the JW's, do you still fully believe in God and the Bible ?

[@mattmurdock2868]

The problem with Watchtower is one of theology. In the kingdom created by Watchtower, "Jehovah" is king. In the Kingdom of God, Christ is King. The Father tells us this. "Yet I have set My King on My holy hill of Zion." Ps.2:6 How long has Christ been King? "The LORD sat enthroned at the Flood, And the LORD sits as King forever." Ps.29:10 How long will Christ be King? "The LORD is King forever and ever." Ps.10:16 Watchtower teaches "Jehovah" is king. Replacement theology.

[@anniesavedbygrace]

New light equals majority unanimous vote on a wednesday by every member of the FDS or aka the uninspired 8 governing body members.

[@ooklathemok7322]

Great as always! Keep posting!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thanks Ookla!

[@nickking8994]

I was born in 1971, held back from kindergarten so I wouldn't be in school when the end came. I would never have children in this system (4 kids from 31 to 23). GB wasn't even on the radar when I was in, thanks for this video just to remind me of the crazy changes the cult has gone through. 😜

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

1967 baby here! My mother used to say 'you'll never make it to Kindergarten'... it's truly bizarre how bring this up to JW's, show them the 1969 quote where they say we won't get old....and they just stare back blankly. Cognitive dissonance is a thing! 😁

[@nickking8994]

@@survivingparadisepodcast It's crazy for sure! Enjoying the podcast, thanks for the memories!

[@anniesavedbygrace]

New light = screw up cover up

[@thedirtypocketpodcast4264]

Exactly. Like most 'foundation' teachings in JW's, they're all words or verses lifted out of context to support eight guys in upstate NY making stuff up as they go.....for over a century.

[@stargazer7141]

With all this new light, it seems that Jesus and Jehovah really don't know what they're doing. We know that can't be the case, therefore, the new light's from the GB is really darkness.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Yep! And worse, they apparently don't mind misleading people for many years, before fixing it with 'new light'....they also don't seem to care about going back to every precious person and correcting what caused them to take a wrong course. Ridiculous, huh?

[@Hhiller]

Amazing and spot on! I would love to see a JW and ask them the same things and can wait!

[@HGANGHONY]

Blood is an organ, so alas, New light!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL....so you can have organ 'fractions', right? Because Jesus made that clear....

[@krissykatportal]

Yessss I was patiently waiting for a new video ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thanks Krissy!

[@johnryan1798]

Still waiting for *new light* on the next phase of Satan's system that will begin this summer... kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqGoZpZ4nNFkZ7c

[@ooklathemok7322]

Looks very interesting. I will check it out after work.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thanks ookla!

[@anniesavedbygrace]

Shepherd the Flock of God Elders manual says that f you partake of a blood transfusion but you 'show's enough repentance that the worst that will happen is you can lose your congregation privileges. Although rank and file don't know that obviously.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Yes!

[@ooklathemok7322]

I have a red car for sale. I forgot to mention it has black stripes. Jw "new light" the red car is blue.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

🤣

[@Rightly_Divided]

Just ask them if God is a confusing God? And they will say of course not. Then say. Why am I confused then?

[@southernbawselady7092]

JWs are heavily indoctrinated to believe the Watchtower Organization is their salvation! The JW's believe everything the Governing Body ( "Anointed" Leaders ) says because they are captive of a concept. They really believe they're in the only true religion on earth, and they're the only ones preaching a lifesaving work. They believe they will see their dead love ones resurrected here on Earth. Also they have the hope to live forever on a paradise Earth! All of these things are very comforting to them. The world in their mind is corrupt and controlled by satan the devil.. NOTHING is good in it!! It's tough, but a JW has to experience his own "personal internal Armageddon"... meaning they will have to have some internal shake-up in their own mind and feelings about an issue. Once this happens they will start to think critically and the veil over their eyes will slowly start to be removed.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

All true. They are captive to an ever changing concept....they drown in cognitive dissonance and the weekly schedule is set up to keep them there.

[@hglundahl]

10:20 _"when an organisation consistently changes"_ 10:24 _"its doctrines, its beliefs, its laws"_ 10:28 _"over a 100 + years period, as JW ..."_ ... then it reminds a bit of "aggiornamento" in the RC Church, doesn't it? As said, I am not a fan of New Light Theory, and I say that as a Roman Catholic.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Good to see 'new light' is recognized as BS by so many!

[@hglundahl]

@@survivingparadisepodcast As said, in memory of my meeting with that kind JW, "when the truth that had been truth will be made truth once again!"

[@shawnandrews8406]

They and their lies and half truths. Can't see why educated JWs don't see through these men.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Years and years of mental conditioning....and having people they love trapped inside

[@HD7100]

Excellent! I wish I could share my story with you.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

I love everyone's stories....so fascinating to see what everyone has gone through!

[@HD7100]

@@survivingparadisepodcast It's actually a document I wrote up that is 11 pages long. I was lured into the cult by my sister when I was age 28. How and why that happened is somewhat complicated and thats why the account is 11 pages long.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@HD7100 Wow! That is a unique story based on your age!

[@jimmchemings6140]

I should have saved that article in the early 90’s where they loosened their stance on college. I read the Watchtower that Sunday The article said that it was a personal matter. If a person is going for the right reasons that is their business. Before that article a regular pioneer that made her hours attended all meetings etc was going to college to be a nurse for which she received stern council. A brother told me he was told by elders that he would be serving Satan by going to college. How do men interject themselves in personal lives and decisions of others. An I interesting irony is recently with bethel layoffs they let go of a young man that mopped floors while they were giving an office job to a young man that recently graduated college. Then we hear Bro Morris speaking negatively and Discouraging college ?????

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

You hit on a very difficult subject for me personally. I was one of those kids...and good students....in the '80's that gave up college, as well as pursuing sports in college. It has done tremendous damage to my generation and you nailed it. I used to argue it before becoming an elder myself. Brooklyn Bethel had engineers, doctors, dentists...all with degrees. It still makes me angry.

[@jimmchemings6140]

@@survivingparadisepodcast That’s appears cult like because how the organization interject themselves into peoples lives discouraging college then reward those that went to college?

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@jimmchemings6140 absolutely cult like

[@jwallaby7895]

Yep. Same. I graduated top 10 of my class in high school. The elders in my area, and my mother, all set the precedent of not going to college. Don't have the energy to express how angry I am about their influence on my younger self. I truly regret letting my future slip through my hands.... Someone, anyone please destroy this cult. Just help these poor kids whose lives are being destroyed, sometimes irreparably.

[@hiramiamilan4392]

I adore and I respect my 81 years old Mother, but Life knows I have to exercise GREAT PATIENCE when I’m talking to her, must choose my words CAREFULLY, so last year, when she was visiting me in December, I played stupid and asked her “oh did you remember to call Brother Such n Such to give him your hours for November?”, she stays quiet and I can see she is ALSO choosing her words and says “no, the Society has a new arrangement, there’s no more reporting hours, there was some new light, that’s all”. And I’m containing myself,,,,, and asked her “but, Mamá, it’s been 100 years since the Society implemented that rule, it took them so long?….” ,,,,,, OMG ,,,,, what a big mistake I made ,,,,,, I could see the blood rushing, her eyes changing,,,, she says “it’s Jehovah’s’ perfect organization, ran by imperfect men”. And her look said it all ,,,, so I stayed quiet, and that was it.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

I've heard that same response many, many times over the years. It only proves how mentally and emotionally trapped these people are. Never once giving thought to Jehovah allowing this for all those decades? Being wrong? Sad.

[@jimmchemings6140]

The blood doctrine was when Knorr and Franz had the autonomy to do as they please before the giving of more power to a body of men. I do not believe that doctrine would be in place if Knorr and Franz did not have that autonomy. Sadly they are doubling down on this doctrine with the HLC. When on the cusp of becoming an elder I dreaded that late night call of a friend with a child or wife in the emergency room where a transfusion is needed to save a life

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Completely agree Jim. I don't think it would exist today. They also can't make it go away now. It would lead to litigation. People have died and they're doing everything in their power to 'minimize' it or allow for fractions. I have on good authority that there are those at HQ that know it's wrong. But won't change it. That is the definition of evil.

[@jimmchemings6140]

@@survivingparadisepodcast I believe I heard that in the past their were a few GB members that did not agree with the policy. Maybe as they were getting older and facing their own mortality they thought about all the deaths including that of young unbaptized children. Changing the policy could mean the end of the organization. I recently heard a discussion or talk by a GB member to HLC members. I felt sick

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@jimmchemings6140 100%. They're so far down an evil road that they now have to continue to risk the collapse of the religion and something their fear worse: litigation. I know 'brothers' that serve on the HLC, etc. that KNOW it's wrong. It's beyond disturbing!!

[@jimmchemings6140]

@@survivingparadisepodcast Wow they should get off the HLC. Another reason I was hesitant in becoming an elder is I could not do things my conscience would not allow me to do.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@jimmchemings6140 I have one story I'm going to share where, as an elder, I had to be part of something I didn't remotely believe in. Haunts me to this day.

[@lh1673]

Yes, how can that blood fraction be sensible! I thought we were not to even cooperate in blood donation cuz that will be used to blood transfusion, but since this fraction new light came up we are allowed to get a part of it from the one who donated it! So what is actually forbidden!? Also why did the ones had to die without this fraction light in thier time!?

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

You can get 'fractions'....but here is the best part: you can't DONATE YOUR OWN BLOOD...that is still a sin. Makes sense, right?

[@johnrodriguez6676]

Dude you should be doing voice overs with that voice 😯

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL thanks John, appreciate you! It makes up for the face!

[@johnrodriguez6676]

@@survivingparadisepodcast Ha!! 🤭🤭

[@randyg.7940]

@@survivingparadisepodcast I bet you learned it in ministry school🤣🤣

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@randyg.7940 😁😆

[@dantoinettetaylor1663]

When I joined the JWs I could not help but notice how they seemed to live for “new light” whereas I had come from an evangelical Christian background for which the gospels were “the same yesterday, today and tomorrow” - I noticed that of the new light seemed to be coming into alignment with what Christendom believed when it came to interpretation of prophecies and so was not new to me at all

[@nanaamapay9632]

They always count on you being ignorant, and having little knowledge about what they are teaching

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Very true....they hope you won't study

[@joegonzalez842]

You know how many people have been hurt or died over this short circuit

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

It's is sickening, disgusting, murderous number. It's hard to even contemplate the loss of so many precious people.

[@mattmurdock2868]

Only God knows....

[@jrojala]

Excellent

[@ooklathemok7322]

I am trying to process the modern day free thinking jw. I ran into a couple of them from the west coast recently. Their husbands are current elders. They told me they do not shun the disfellowshipped and don't support all the 8 guys put in print. They were with me an apostate, my brother and his wife in an adulterous marriage. We are all ex jws. They ate with us and invited us to their homes to visit. Have you ran into these type of people. I am dumbfounded.

[@krissykatportal]

That is very strange. Maybe they’re not considered “spiritually strong”. I live in California and no one I know shares those views. My mom and sister are pioneers and they definitely shun people. They also think the GB are synonymous with Jehovah God.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

I know MANY such "JW's"... this is part of their 'myth' culture, where they've told themselves they only need to obey parts of what the Governing Body tells them. Despite commands for explicit obedience, they disobey all the time. They're the same JW's who don't pay their taxes, drink themselves blind and watch R rated movies.... but then answer at the WT study to make themselves feel better. Very common!

[@positiveendtimes]

I’m a California former wt publisher. I know a ton of people that don’t agree or even pat that much attention to the actual teachings. It’s as if they’re at a buffet picking & choosing what they’ll accept as TRUTH

[@ooklathemok7322]

@@positiveendtimes That is so crazy! I have alot of people I know in California and the ones I know shun their dfed kids.

[@positiveendtimes]

@@ooklathemok7322 I do too, but I know many that don’t shun. I think it’s because there’s so many people you get a more balanced representation

[@hustonmices3976]

They can’t have just anyone showing up claiming to be one of the faithful and discreet slave with claims of been giving new light or trying to stake a seat on those Wednesday meetings.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Correct. It's only those 8 guys. Because....you know.....Jesus would NEVER want a woman's perspective while judging the entire planet, right? 😆

[@hustonmices3976]

@@survivingparadisepodcast well tony and company will neither be male or female when they get their heavenly bodies and ride around Pegasus playing polo.

[@baberoot1998]

Unfortunately...it is the "shunning", that keeps a hold on many members who have seen the error of JW's. I say to those who are afraid to escape JW's, because of shunning..."just do it". One, Christ knows they are shunning you. Leave it in His hands. Two; remember...God claims to be Love. In a literal sense. Logic teaches us...there is NO LOVE in shunning. Therefore...logic dictates, God cannot be a part of this religion. There is no love in shunning. Christ claims to be Truth. There is no Truth in the JW's doctrine. Leave the cult...regardless of any shunning...and leave it in God's hands. HE knows what is happening...and wants YOU to escape from the JW's. God WANTS you to escape from false doctrine. False practices. So go ahead...just do it. Just leave. Let God have it. Wait on God...to heal any pain from leaving. Wait on God...to take care of your mental status after leaving. Remember...God WANTS you to leave this false religion.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you Babe, it's very true. If you're a believer and Christianity and you're watching or listening, please read Romans 8:38, 39. There is NOTHING that can separate you from god; including a publishing company in upstate NY led by eight old guys, liars, etc. Nothing.

[@lizh1988]

If someone is abusive, but calls himself a brother, have nothing to do with him, do not even eat lunch with such a person. Shun the wifebeater and child abuser. We are supposed to be kind in warning them twice, kindly. But again, we are to come out from them. That said, some JWs cold called me last year to do a Bible study, I was isolating a lot, has left my church and wasn't sure why. But I enjoyed it a lot. After a while I told them I couldn't watch/attend on their internet services, though I tried. We just agreed to disagree I think, and we cut contact. They were doing what they thought was right.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@lizh1988 Absue is a MASSIVE problem

[@snowwhite2709]

My sister is still in. She has no chance of being shunning, however she still believes this cult, and defends it tooth and nail. If you sayanything against it,she just rolls hers eyes like I'm the one that is nuts.

[@jwallaby7895]

@@lizh1988 meh...that may be true of many JWs in the organization. Unfortunately their main mission is to be obedient. They tell themselves they think they're doing what's right because they themselves are the victims of group think and group coercion. Take any of them aside and get to know them, they almost certainly want many things in the organization to change. But to say they do what they think is right, I agree, but they're actually just FORCED to tell themselves that. The control is very very strong.

[@pennytarrant6608]

Good job!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you Penny!

[@pennybeeflower]

@@survivingparadisepodcast My pleasure. You're welcome. Keep them coming. You're like a house on fire!

[@SinSeared]

psalms 146:3. To go even further, Jesus frequently refers to himself as the son of man. What does that entail? Through my search I wouldn’t say I’ve become an atheist. But I’ve begin questioning the validity of Christianity as a whole. Especially if you take the time to read just the 4 gospels, they vary so widely. Also, reading the Old Testament you come to find out what was prophesied concerning the messiah doesn’t line up to what Jesus was and did at all. The more I read the more I’m confused how JW came to the conclusions they did. Stacy, I know you don’t identify as a JW anymore. But do you identify as a Christian? If not, what do you identify as? I love your podcast man. It’s so awesome.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Keep studying Sin! Lot's to unpack on that question. The Gospels are a fascinating study. They're all very different and there are several scholars I recommend checking out, especially on how the Book of Mark was basically plagiarized by the other writers....and they added more 'color'.... they're very contradictory in many ways!

[@lizzidpeepole]

I have been out for over 20years. This is not the religion I left. I try and talk about the new light when they reach out. Literally 20 years of new light is what I want to know. To catch up! They hate the question. It is weird to have the convo at all.

[@shakazulu1574]

Fade quietly!!!! Don’t make any noise. 🤫

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

YES....maintain your families!

[@BlackFlagHeathen]

Oh gods now I’m just imagining a Witness picking up a Watchtower magazine with some so-called “new light” in it, opening it, and everything just starts strobing, Darude Sandstorm staying playing, and the Witness starts dancing. 🤣😂

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

😂🤣😂

[@galaxiethinker183]

Fantastic presentation

[@hglundahl]

I am fond of the kind of JW who doesn't like New Light Theory. I met one who wrote a song "när den sanning, som varit sanning, har blifvit sanning igen" - when the truth that had been truth will have become truth again!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

The 'new light' nonsense is unreal. Insulting to basic intelligence. You have to 'want' to accept such nonsense. We did a past episode on "new light"

[@hglundahl]

@@survivingparadisepodcast I tend to agree.

[@Inverted.surfer]

Brain into a mason jar...lol . That'd be a free mason jar ! ! !.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL yes!

[@Javai7]

I’m jealous of the ones that left. I would too if it wasn’t for my mom’s frail health. It would kill her if I came out as apostate. Sucks being stuck. I’m happy for all of you but also a bit jealous.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Still James -- there are many, MANY of us that 'associate' to care for those we love. It's incredibly noble what you're doing for your mother. NO shame in that.... in fact, it's an incredible sacrifice. Much respect.

[@daleprice8111]

DEUTOROMY 18 : 20-22 AFFECTS THIER PREDICTIONS. THE BLOOD ISSUE IS ABOUT ANIMALS NOT HUMAN BLOOD 💔 . LEVITICUS/ GENESIS .

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Yep, BASIC reading comprehension. Has NOTHING to do with humans

[@quisthegreat13-KalEl]

Good stuff man ...

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thanks Quis!

[@hustonmices3976]

New light is future apostate lies

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

It's a subject for it's own show, but the amount of 'teachings' that have gone back and forth between light and apostasy is comical! Many things taught today, would be considered apostasy in the past. THEIR OWN LITERATURE is now apostasy 😂

[@connormusic9274]

Just a side note Stacy. Your discourse here is SPOT ON in regards to their interpretation of doctrines, teachings and policies. Proverbs 4: 18 is harmonious with ALL OTHER SCRIPTURAL REFERENCES TO LIGHT AND DARK. it always refers to the contrast between wickedness; immorality and the righteous conduct of people. But remember this sidenote: The number of governing body members in 1979-81 when I served in Bethel, was 17. Then Chitty and R. Franz stepped down and it went to 15. Then over the years it has been a fluctuating number. In the last 6 months, I believe it's gone up to 10 baffoons, (I mean guys! I mean old farts!...oops!). Just so those who have never been JW's can get a more accurate picture.😂😁😄 Thanks for your light hearted, humorous manner in exposing this org's deceptions and misleading teachings. I'm thinking of starting a YT channel myself. But I wouldn't be so kind to these hypocritical pharisees. I would use language like our Lord Jesus: "Snakes! Offspring of vipers! How are you to flee from the judgement of Gehenna??!!" ,...Matthew 23: 23

[@culturedboor]

Armageddon was to be a social revolution as viewed back in 1914.

[@ronwillan3179]

This organisation went downhill fast after they ditched that softback purple songbook in the early 1980's!!

[@Anonymous-ez6cz]

Yeah the fastest changing religion in the world? Is that great to be involved with things change all the time? You don't know what to worship or believe tomorrow can change, very strong Foundation?

[@rubicktdo89]

Mob guys in the Mafia call each other friends.....

[@mauricedotson5547]

Stacy do you have a Facebook page

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Hey Maurice thanks for being here! I don't have a FB for the show.... so much work LOL!

[@Fadedexjw]

Just came across my parents blood cards. Well a copy of it. My parents gave me it in case i needed to show a doctor. Even though i left at 16 and definitely dont agree with it.

[@jaybabcock4557]

LOL I hate it when other presenters use the term friends. Its such a JW cult catch phrase.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

I almost kicked my own butt!!! Old habit....brutal lol

[@paulconcadora9395]

every person users the phase friends, don't feel that they own the word friends, I was feeling the same way about the rainbow, until I realized that the rainbow is Gods arraignment with Noah, a friend is a friend in any religion, even Jesus christ used the phrase friends,

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

they think they own everything....imagine thinking you own 'friends'???

[@Goonapachamoothoo]

About generations ,jehovah appeared in.nearly 1914 up to now it makes the addition of 1o10 years, a generation is about 120 yeàrs ,there are enough time to laught for nothing

[@heatherwillson4862]

What part of the country were you raised in? Were you a kid in the 60's?

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Hi Heather, I go through that in my first episode if you're interested in listening, but mostly in the Bay Area and now the Pacific Northwest in the U.S.

[@ZeteticPlato]

A New artist name for me .... BrilloMan ... Because Afroman is already taken It wasn't just my paranoia She wouldn't let me .... 🎶

[@ZeteticPlato]

👍

[@ZeteticPlato]

Bruh say strobe light again ... I might play Prince Don't you wanna read the words? 🎶 MJ just says Beat It 🎶

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

🤣

[@ZeteticPlato]

Eh ... Light is just a medium - Nikola Tesla Yes Einstein the Sun and Moon are different mediums ....

[@danielhutchinson6604]

Joseph Smith was another who claimed Divine Enlightenment, as well as an overdeveloped libido..... Since Moses appropriated some Nubian folk tales, we have seen religions inspire some real stupidity?

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russel and Judge Rutherford meet in a bar......LOL.....there is a joke in there somewhere!

[@danielhutchinson6604]

@@survivingparadisepodcast After witnessing how an LDS Man and Witness Bride are joined in a Mormon Wedding, the entire concept of religions seems a joke to me? But the use of Religion for the control of peoples thoughts, has driven Lutheran Ministers to condemn Draft dodgers.... Since Richard the Lion Headed reached the Gates of Jerusalem the documents about how religions infect our lives, seems to be a chore to witness?

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@danielhutchinson6604 Religion is a fascinating subject. Much to unpack here!

[@danielhutchinson6604]

@@survivingparadisepodcast I have been dealing with it all my life.....

[@randyg.7940]

Mason jar....interesting 🤔

[@Goonapachamoothoo]

Predicted that lights comes from dark to lights,,and takes a whole night to see lights ,so what ?what about from Genesis to Revelation how many miles of darkness do separate to meet reel lights have you found it ,you should laugh at jourself ,you are entering yourself. In your. Own darkness and your ridicule laughter.

[@daleprice8111]

WATCHTOWER TEACHINGS EXPIRE ; GOD'S WORD DON'T . JESUS SAID MY WORD IS TRUTH AND HE SAID I AM THE LORD , TRUTH, LIFE , RESURRECTION , ETC

[@halinakozlowska2672]

To stay off blood is a biblical requirement. No doubt. You are taking blood you are taking many anclean things: before AIDS, now I don't know what.. Many people are obsses with blood, some don't want to have to have sth in common with always dirty blood. (This is my own opinion), but I know what I am saying. All the bible wouldn't be sa value obout our health without teaching about BLOOD.

[@SunShineU-dl9or]

Stacy…please don’t say mentally diseased apostates…you are feeding the wbts energy..kinda like…confirming they are right! 🙃 but they are far from being right…don’t you agree?

[@stoobpendous]

I was JW for over 20 years. Never ever did I hear a JW say "new light". That term is very outdated and I've only heard it said by apostates. And if a PIMO uses it in company of JWs he will be outing himself. JWs, especially the elders, notice any change in a fellow worshipper's speech pattern.

[@susanjane5837]

Wow, your last sentence is very disturbing. Very cult-like. And JWs say they are not controlled. smh

[@stoobpendous]

@@susanjane5837 of course it's cultlike. JWs are a cult. Use the wrong terminology and you get picked apart. Just say Jesus too much and you're viewed with suspicion.

[@susanjane5837]

@@stoobpendous oops, I think I misunderstood you. Didn't see the "was" a JW. My apologies! Agree 100%.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

You may be correct, but those in for decades continue to use it. "newer" JW's don't even study or read the Bible, so if they use the term, they're just repeating what they heard at a KH. Elders often use words like 'clarification' or 'adjustment in understanding'....but the literature is filled with 'new light' comments.

[@stoobpendous]

@@survivingparadisepodcast yeah, those other terms are more acceptable now. In my language the word "discreet" was changed to "prudent". If you didn't say "faithful and prudent slave" you were not keeping up with theocracy. Same thing with the expression "new system" vs "new world." I don't mind the term "new light" but I fear for the waking JWs who pick it up from us and get themselves in trouble before they're ready.