New M.Zuiko 17mm & 25mm f1.8 Mark II, the PERFECT STORM - RED35 Preview

OM System has granted one of the most wished updates from the community, the ever-so-popular tiny M.Zuiko f1.8 prime lenses. First off the oven are the most demanded two focal lengths, 17mm and 25mm. They are both metal constructed and fully weather sealed! For us photographers who want the ultimate small weather sealed set up, we now have them! #microfourthirds #omsystem #photography
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[@MichaelGerrard]

Finally! This is a sensible move by OM, small and light is what M43 should be about.

[@zeroken]

yes

[@evanmcknight2566]

Glad to see the update and weather sealing. Now just waiting for the updated 12 F2 and 45 F1.8 and a stealthy black OM3. A really good start to the year.

[@KevinNYank]

45 f/1.8 ii next, please!

[@thebitterfig9903]

As someone who often shoots with a Fujichron (the community nickname for the f/2.0 WR series on X-Mount), congrats. Small, sharp WR primes are a treat when you have a body to match, and OM tends to have great WR at a much lower price point than a lot of the competitors.

[@zhangnaixiaoaus1744]

Hey Jimmy! Welcome to Japan! I think I met you in the OM plaza yesterday. You are a cool guy ! 🎉

[@JeffreyMcPheeters]

Great little video of the little primes. Thanks. I used to own them when I got the E-M5 back in 2012, then gradually moved away to all pro in the E-M1 line of bodies and used pro glass, including the f/1.2 and mostly lenses with clutch and fn buttons. Then expanded to other systems for particular work where I needed high MP FF for things like orchestra and band and ensemble work. When I realized that nobody has a consistently designed pro lens layout across all their system, it started to not matter so much and I just get the images with whatever good camera and lens can do the job and don't care about the clutch, aperture ring, fn buttons, etc., more than I do about certain conveniences I have in this vehicle but not in that. My off road TRD doesn't have the features my wife's XR-5 has, but then, so what? I guess I'm happy with the weather sealing because that's really the reason I sold them originally, and own not a single lens that is not weather sealed except the 75mm f/1.8.

[@FMcMtl]

Ive used the original 17, 25, 45mm lens in snow, rain and sand conditions for the last 8yrs, never had an issue. I rarely use my 12-100 anymore, too big

[@matthewsykes2646]

I'm not a micro 4/3 user, but i really like the system and how compact lenses are, especially this little primes. That said, one of the most attractive lens for me (if not the most attractive one) is the Pana-Leica 10-25 F/1.7, it's stunning, but a bit "big and heavy" for the system, so i hope OM System will produce a similar zoom, like Olympus did in their dslr era with the 14-35 F/2, that with a micro 4/3 optic scheme would be a lot smaller and lighter, and a joy to use for reportage photography due to its fast aperture and all the most used focal lenghts. Speaking about reportage or street photography, to me, one of the two most discussed "cons" of the 4/3 system, namely, "the lack of bokeh", is one of the biggest advantage over fullframe in my opinion, because, IF you like to realize photos where the background, or i should say, the place where you are taking the photo, is an important subject just like the hypotetical person you're thying to photograph, having the ability to shoot at F/4 with the same dof to F/8 on fullframe, gives you a lot of room to play with shutter speed or lower iso, same for landscapes. But that's a personal preference, ofcourse, anyone can disagree 🙃

[@domtomazo]

Nice that you cover these lenses and the build of them as well. Really like the 17/1.8 and hoping VERY much for the 45/1.8 to get the same treatment!

[@GT-hk8dy]

I want my pancakes. Where are the pancakes. I like the small weather-sealed direction though.

[@zenlife1200]

Yay finally!

[@robertmills4591]

Good update to these lenses, but without the focus clutch and zone focus scale I am sad to say I am not interested. I use my 17mm f/1.8 and 12mm f/2.0 whenever I am out with my PEN-F shooting street and predominately zone focus in manual from the hip. This will not be possible with the mark ii version of the 17mm, and is why I was never especially interested in the 25mm f/1.8 (and why oh why isn't there a focus clutch on the 20mm f/1.4 PRO?!). Inevitably they will do the same to the 12mm f/2.0 in time. Glad to hear that a recilinear fast ultra-wide is also on your wish list - I think there is a noticable gap here!

[@petermcginty3636]

Thank you Jimmy, great preview. I think that a silver 17mm will look great on my OM-5.

[@Way2MuchCoffee]

The patient wait for a M1X refresh. Probs ~2035 thou 😭😭😭

[@ethanbeckler6977]

Thank you for the great full review Excellent!

[@ottomellar6774]

6 mm rectilinear! YES!!

[@ulfjonsson2122]

Great review and images

[@inkandbarrel]

The manual clutch is something I use a lot in travel photography, especially with very low light work. I tend to set the focus, set it down and snap the photo. I can only do that with my 12/2 and 17/1.8 today. That and street... but I will admit I an a niche use case user. Sad though... they almost had my money. Maybe they want more of it and keep waiving their pro lenses around lol.

[@CHfondue]

How would you position the 20mm f/1.4 between the new lenses?

[@hnahler]

I was wondering that, too. It looks like a lack of strategy. Why did they not just update the 17 and 25, not doing the 20 at all? - There was clearly an Olympus roadmap with the 20 and it was already developed at the takeover, so OM launched it to have something to show. I suspect, Olympus had a roadmap for e.g. a 15mm 1.4 and 35/40mm 1.4 to have a line between the 1.2 PRO and 1.8 line but at different focal lengths. However, OM doesn't want to invest into completely new development. So, now the 20 mm looks like the odd one out. I have it and love it for hiking.

[@CHfondue]

@ Indeed. The 20mm is “glued” to my OM-5. I love the IQ. Soon it will be on my OM-3.

[@kangchem]

no manual focus clutch anymore? so they move the focus meter bar into the interface like other brands?

[@bevdonovan]

Another great overiew there Jimmy. You mentioned a wider rectilinear prime, personally I love a 6-12mm zoom - even if it was F4, but if they put out say a 6mm prime, with AF, I would be very interested. I have the Laowa 6mm F2 which as you know is a great lens, but I wouldn't say no to the same focal length prime but with AF...Here's hoping!

[@FMcMtl]

8-25?

[@ulvensjeler5494]

im with you, happy with the seal of the 1.8 primes and interested in the upgrade of the others to give seal to all BUT I still waiting for a wide prime 6-10 mm and f 1.4-2

[@fuzzywuzzy599]

Weather sealing - YES! Manual clutch a massive omition though! So it really depends how much more massive the lens would have become in reality. What a great pity 😭

[@SnIpErX07]

Great little lenses. Though I will stick to the 20mm f1.4 pro. That lens is awesome.

[@YannisSinadinos]

Is there any Image Quality improvements in new 17mm and 25mm? How do they compare to the previous? My old 17 is very soft for my test in f1.8. There was also ghosting issues on the old 17mm in strong back lights.

[@houghwhite411]

Old 17mm suffers from sample variation, your 17mm copy is made in China or Vietnam?

[@YannisSinadinos]

@@houghwhite411 can't find this info on the lens. The serial starts with ABTA if that's helpful.

[@viktordoszpot9599]

@@YannisSinadinos It's written next to the connectors, on the back of the lens.

[@YannisSinadinos]

@ I saw Vietnam

[@YannisSinadinos]

@@viktordoszpot9599 It is from vietnam. Does this mean it is manufactured in the new factoyr of Olympus?

[@kaptnwelpe5322]

Not to forget - lens hood thread.... !!! BTW: hope OMS will include one instead of selling seperatly

[@stevenjohnson9714]

This is what kept me away from MFT for a long time. Small well weather sealed bodies, but non sealed small primes that I wanted the system for…. Finally sealed small primes!!! I ordered an OM-3 and both small primes this morning. Just waiting for a black version and I’ll order a second body. Actually selling off a lot of unused Fuji gear and feel oddly excited to do so after shooting strictly Fuji for the past 7 or so years. Can’t wait for the 12 and 45 to be updated as well. I wonder what they will do with the 75? Also a heads up to those who haven’t ordered yet that I found out late. OMDS is doing a launch sale that discounts one of the small primes $200 off if purchased with the camera. Had I known I would have ordered one lens and the silver body today and the other lens with the black body when that is launched. Buying only one body and two lenses only discounts one lens. Also watch your B&H carts. They slipped in a 3 year warranty for $90 that I didn’t ask for that I had to remove.

[@sweden_ove2074]

Beautiful new lenses. And finally splash proof. I would miss the focus clutch though. That would have been awsome. It's the reason i never got the 25 mm mk1😊 but now i might get it anyway.

[@mmmfuhlendorf]

What about the 75mm 1.8? Pretty much my favourite m43 lens, would LOVE it weather sealed...

[@aurorasigma]

YES

[@jumpmansz]

Love the weather sealing, but where is the silver version?! Gotta release lenses that match the new body and these don’t- especially with the blue accent color. Would’ve loved a OM-3 and silver 17mm combo.

[@lmglange]

I have switched away from Olympus/OM systems twice due to the lack of small weather sealed primes... I might be time to switch back 😅 These small sealed primes match the new compact! OM3.

[@JesseHall-gd4sd]

I sure hope they do this for the 45 and the 75mm 1.8!!

[@ixoye56]

I'm glad I own the original with clutch and it's classy lens hood, it suit my Pen F better, it's time to pick up the 12mm f:2 before they ruin that one as well.

[@trebleeffects3199]

Dear Jimmy, what about the hoods? Can you flip them and keep them on the lenses for storage?

[@stevenjohnson9714]

You can on the old versions, I’d be very surprised if these don’t do that too.

[@lv93jpg]

Killed the focus clutch on the 17. Whats OMS' beef with the clutch?!

[@CiderGuy]

Exactly, they killed off the very best feature of this lens. Absolutely crazy. 😞

[@sweden_ove2074]

Look on the video. OMDS say it would impact the lens size. I would have wanted two versions of all lenses. Ome splash proof with focus clutch. And one plastic cheap budget lens without.

[@hnahler]

Yes, I love the focus clutch on my 17mm. It's permanently on my EM-10 II, for walk-around, street. - Life is full of compromises. Size, weight, weather sealing, brightness, manual focus, cost. - You cannot make a cheap, light lens with manual clutch, bright aperture and weather sealing. Something has to give.

[@danthegeetarman]

3:48 It would have compromised the size and weather sealing :/

[@fuzzywuzzy599]

​​@@danthegeetarmanNo. The weather sealing meant keeping the clutch would compromise the compact size. But no idea by how much. With such a small lens it had room to grow a bit.

[@johannesf.2020]

Hi Jimmy, I have the 17mm f/1.8 and I am fond of its size and decent image quality. However, the corners are not particularly sharp. How is the mark II here? Would you recommend an upgrade? Or should I I go with the 17mm f/1.2 if I want a substantial upgrade in image quality?

[@TheSannaeriksson]

I always inactivate the manual cluch. I chose for example c-af+mf and can use autofocus but if I need too focus manually l just turn the focus ring and can focus manually. I use back button focus

[@peterthallen8270]

Now give us a updated 45mm f1.8 , weather sealed and metal construction.

[@blackfish73]

The best primes? Careless.

[@michelesiniscalchi8695]

hi, has there been an improvement from an optical point of view or just the tropicalization? because after more than 10 years a small optical improvement is due... although perhaps at om they do not consider it necessary because they have decided to go ahead with 20 megapixels forever.

[@kimraymond2749]

Im just a beginner but I wonder the advantage of manual clutch. I photograph mostly birds or landscape. I have my setting AF+M I find my zone then fine tune with the focus ring. It seems to work fine. What am I missing? BTW I love these videos and have been waiting for the new OM products so I can hear Jimmy, Robin, Rob, et al do some fresh content. I cant afford new gear but certainly like to know what Im missing.😊

[@gp6367]

Im a bit confused. The weather sealing for these lenses says its IPX1. That means that the weather sealing isnt as good as the pro lenses? Pro lenses can withstand rain. Is it more or less weather sealed compared to Pro lenses?

[@CiderGuy]

@@gp6367 Basically the new lenses are only "splash proof" and don’t have the same level of sealing the Pro lenses do.

[@gp6367]

@@CiderGuy thats a dissapointment. If you do something do it wright

[@veikop]

It is marketing😂

[@anups7958]

lol…Jimmy are you giving hints of future plans? :) 25/1.0 or 25/0.95 autofocus lens, waaaah I would buy one asap!

[@bishwatntl]

Does anyone know why these lenses have the word "splashproof" on them? Is it a way of making clear that this is not full waterproofing or weathersealing? I wonder if we will see this word used elsewhere?

[@veikop]

IP-rating is IPX1, so only vertical pouting😂

[@tuuchen2990]

Lens hoods? Are they included? Is there a cover for the threads like 25mm and 45mm? Are the covers included?

[@davidg5898]

I assume it's just going to be Mk II versions of the lenses for now, but I hope their extended lens roadmap includes a 20mm in the f1.8 line-up. Especially with the new OM-3 being ideal for street/urban use and the 40mm equivalent gaining so much popularity among street photographers lately. The Lumix f1.7 is the _only_ 20mm compact option with AF, and it's really not a great lens -- it's slow to focus and the rendering could be better. It's time for a competitor to that lens.

[@peterherth7379]

There is the 20/1.4 from OMDS. Not exactly humungeous and a great lens.

[@davidg5898]

@peterherth7379 A/ The Oly f1.4 isn't compact, which is what I specified. B/ If you think suggesting an $800 lens to someone asking for competition to a $300 lens is appropriate, you're in a much higher tax bracket than me.

[@peterherth7379]

@@davidg5898 Yes, it is larger than the 20/1.7. I own both of them. And it is a great lens. I cannot know what your size limits exactly are. I still think it is worth considering, if you look for a great 20mm. And for the cost, you didn't mention that cost was a constraint. Of course the 20/1.4 is more expensive. And then this is either an issue for you or not. That I cannot know.

[@davidg5898]

@ I realize this is the internet where no one ever admits a mistake, but let's not be disingenuous. 1/ True that "compact" isn't strictly defined, but we all know it when we see it. You know it, too. That's why you called OM's 20mm f1.4 "not exactly humongous" instead. 2/ My context suggested Oly/OM's f1.8 line could include a competitor to the Lumix 20mm f1.7. No one considers Oly/Pana's _PRO_ class lenses to be competitors of their f1.8 & f1.7 lines. 3/ No, I didn't mention cost. But it could easily be inferred by only talking about f1.8 and f1.7 lenses. 4/ I also never said "prime lens" or "fast lens" yet you didn't suggest any of the pancake or compact MFT zooms that cover 20mm. So you obviously understood the things I left unsaid, despite feigning innocence now. Someone else did the same ridiculous thing to my comment in another video. I said that now I have to seriously weigh the 100-400mm II + 1.4x TC against the 150-600mm for a future purchase. They suggested the Oly big white instead. A completely different class of lens in a completely different budget, and obviously completely outside the context of my comment.

[@peterherth7379]

@@davidg5898 You asked for a 20/1.8. I mentioned the 20/1.4 existing. My answer clearly pointed out that it is larger. But for me it is obviously acceptably larger, that is why I gave the answer, as I couldn't know whether you had considered one. If it is still too large and too expensive to you, that is fine. It would have sufficed to answer: I really was specifically asking for a 1.8, as I want something smaller and priced along the other 1.8s. Instead even your first answer was very aggressive. And now you keep flaming me just because I tried to give a helpful answer to your initial post. If you want an apology for that, here you have it. It is of course a big mistake not just to agree to you and suggest a possible alternative.

[@Kunal0915]

I wish these lenses were £299 and £375 respectively. The price is too high when coupled with the OM-3.

[@thedrunkweddingphotographer]

I hope they make a silver version of the 25mm.

[@SMChan-b3t]

75 f1.8 mkii 😊

[@tdunster2011]

Will my E-M1 Mk II need a firmware upgrade to work with the new 25mm F/1.8 ?

[@AnastasTarpanov]

Oh... did Jimmy just tease an upcoming ultra-wide prime lens 🤭

[@wikicamara]

Missing the manual clutch

[@artistjoh]

Removing the manual focus clutch from the 17 is NOT an improvement. It is the reason I bought the Oly 17, and because the 25 didn't have the clutch, and the Pro 25 is too big and heavy, I chose the Lumix version instead. Only amateurs think using metal is a good thing. Metal does nothing for optical qualities, that is all down to the glass. Plastic reduces weight. I prefer shaving grams off the lens. If the 17 loses the manual clutch I recommend buying the Lumix 20 instead. It is even smaller. At 25mm the Leica f1.4 renders better for photography, and the Lumix f1.7 is a superb video lens choice. Smaller lenses with manual focus clutch would make the Olympus lenses attractive. No manual focus clutch = no sale.

[@yassassinfo]

You are in Japan?

[@Red35Photography]

Yes

[@FMcMtl]

We need pancake lens. 14, 20, even 25. F2.0. Agree that we need zero-D 6-8 mm f1.8, maybe even f1.4 for astro.

[@Yasir-k1u]

Please ask OM Systems to bring silver versions of these, otherwise I'll have to stick with the old ones.

[@AnastasTarpanov]

Great update. Now waiting for the 45mm and, more importantly, the 75mm f/1.8. Also, the 12mm f/2 will be a good option to be updated. Jimmy, what are the hood options, is it provided in the box, I see in the video on the weather sealing shot the 25mm is with a hood? This is something also important and no one talks about it. 🤭

[@bevdonovan]

Great point Anastas, I was wondering the same thing.

[@mariusnicula7541]

@@bevdonovan Hoods come in the box with the new 17 & 25

[@hnahler]

I doubt that they will touch the 12 mm and 75 mm. Volume of both of them is too low to invest into an upgrade. Far too low ROI for a company like OMDS.

[@AnastasTarpanov]

@@hnahler I hope you're wrong. Especially the 75mm is an amazing lens with no analogue in other systems.

[@bevdonovan]

@@mariusnicula7541 Awesome! ths for that.

[@pgy8863]

Weather sealing is much appreciated. How well do they close focus? As compared to their predecessors? It begs the question... why aren't these PRO lenses? Why is the 60mm macro not a PRO lens?

[@cliffetzelphoto]

Now if they would only release a 45mm f/1.8 MkII and I would reconsider my position on OM Systems...

[@shutterpilot2041]

Thanks for this - I really do think you're the first to post about the new 17 and 25 Mark II lenses (1st to post wins!). I don't need manual clutch, as even doing video work I don't need it, but would hope the new 17mm copies are sharper and contrastier than the old ones. Great format, but I've been disappointed its not rabidly sharp given the price point (Whereas the 45mm 1.8 copy i have is nicely sharp and contrasy)

[@zeroken]

waiting 12. 45 and 75 update

[@jukeboxjohnnie]

I wish they had done a 14mm, 17mm is a bit dull. Ive done photography since the 70's ive never needed weather sealing its a non feature, I dont shoot in the rain.

[@---us7qf]

Why is the 25mm lens of a lesser build quality, compared to the 17mm?

[@steventhomas231]

We still need an om 14mm preferably f1.4

[@vermis8344]

Been getting a lot of GAS from these videos. Maaaybe I can stretch to a new 25mm...

[@willgreig8912]

I like the 15mm leica better, something about that lens, never liked the original 17mm, had an unusual rendering.

[@Biosynchro]

I agree with you in general. More lenses are definitely coming. And OMS is hitting sixes right now, I think. Let’s hope this continues! Maybe the next camera body will have a high resolution sensor. That would make the system very well rounded. BTW I have a very small nitpick. I usually don’t like music in videos. But, it’s your choice and I respect it. However, could you turn down the volume, especially on your intro and outtro music?

[@whipsnadepoacher]

Nice! Very nice! But, sticking wit the f1.2 lenses I have. If I didn't have those I'd be buying them.

[@veikop]

Pro but not PRO lens, is there any seal on mount gasket or is it just spalshproof? How confusing review when you have new and og lenses to compare in your hands😂

[@Kunal0915]

The OM-3's price would make sense if the new 17mm is bundled with the camera. £2000 body only is bit ambitious.

[@progste]

your intro music is way too loud!

[@beppeveltri]

At this point I don't think they will develop the f/1.4 Pro line anymore since these f/1.8 are metal and weatherproof. Too bad because I hope for an f/1.4 line. The only flaw of these new lenses is the price: too high and too close to the 20mm f/1.4

[@jaimesilva_photographya]

I like the new OM3, but I like even more these 2 new lenses. Finally small and robust weather sealed lenses that keep the original spirit of micro 4/3.

[@jangarcia1338]

Same optical formula? 🙄

[@CiderGuy]

@@jangarcia1338 Yes

[@Seimstudios]

Everything OM Systems does is just repacking existing tech. Looks like it's time for a Nikon Zf, which amazing costs less. For micro 4/3 I'll stick with my Em5 III

[@莊思妙]

Kinda wired to have the 20mm 1.4 and now the ver 2 17 and 25…

[@c.augustin]

"Splash Proof" - well, better than nothing. What about the 45 mm lens? The 12mm? And no more MF focus clutch? Hmm … And I just looked up the pricing … well … was to be expected, modern times …

[@maheshg212]

Jimmy, you know that is bull.. that manual clutch focus is not for photography? Have you forgotten all zone focus you do with your own Leica manual lenses?

[@donjoe6326]

Without improved iq I would rather go with the 20/ f1.4. than the new 17mm. And no, the 25mm is not a budget lens. Look at other FF manufacturers that produce nifty fifties for half the price.

[@nicktheobald1694]

Typical - I've just bought into M43 (secondhand) with E-M1 marki and a markiii plus 17/25/45 f1.8's and now these come out! That 25 is making my bank account quiver.. Guess the Nikon is going. Thanks (for a great review) Jimmy!

[@haojinkim7034]

许愿呢？ 什么都不会有。

[@bublt4me]

I used to be all about the manual clutch, but with focus peaking, theres no guesswork.

[@tobiasdavid3096]

Great move by OMS, I just don‘t know where to get all the money from? I was waiting for weathersealed versions and now they‘re even fully metall. Also, the OM-3 is finally a successor for my EM5 II.

[@jw48335]

I'm severely disappointed in the OM-3 and the lens releases. They're just not a good value for the money, especially the OM-3. For that price, it has an EVF worse than my existing 2019 Canon. These lenses do not appear to be new optics - just re-housed.

[@hgrgrnd1206]

This looks like another quick cash grab. A 1.4 would have been worth talking about, but this not so much.

[@JezdziecBezNicka]

Strongly disagree on the original 17mm being good 😏 I'm definitely getting the new version!

[@ixoye56]

The new one have the same optics, my example made in Vietnam is good btw.

[@stephenedmunds207]

OM system does seem to have clear plan and target market thank goodness , Olympus tried to be all things to all people which did not work despite some great products.

[@MrNecropodo]

Oh man, this is click bait, you put the 2 lenses on the thumbnail and them we only see your face! The world is ending and your country is in the last, we on the final days to take this crap, man no offense I bet there are lots of people who love you, but we here for the product, lenses or cameras ,all you camera influencers need to know this.

[@thomasanderson5929]

How does the 17mm f/1.8 mark ii compare in size to the Panny 20mm f1/.7 ??

[@FMcMtl]

The 25 is not pancake, but very versatile and fast af. The pana 20mm autofocus is unusable in low light. Trash lens.

[@corykphotography]

🎉🎉🎉