NEW MAJOR PATCH CHANGES, NERFS AND BIG BUFFS IN HELLDIVERS 2

[@25xxfrostxx]

The guard dog nerf makes me wonder if it's them being bad at explaining again. Apparently the only nerf was the laser one by 30% but I wonder if it is basically the scythe in the files so since they buffed the scythe did they nerf the drone to keep it at the same damage over all? I still hate the damn thing though.

[@IShaderI]

Oooh interesting theory. I hope this is the case.

[@MegaMjjordan]

I hope the guard dog isn’t decreased in damage. It kills me barely, but more often than teammates. I make it work tremendously in my favor.

[@msu2k]

Even after the nerf I still kind of like it. It kills the smaller bugs and more importantly than that, it gives me more situational awareness of what is around me at the time. That is huge sometimes.

[@JutWalk]

Great level headed analysis of the update! So many people are such cry babies about this shit.

[@Naturalhigh8]

my gun testing. not bs, actually tested. -Adjudicator: doesn't have the ammo capacity for bugs, doesn't have the damage for automatons still. recoil is still entirely too much for the damage it does/doesn't do lol. -counter sniper: same thing above. and it's still on the low end of medium armor penetration so half of the automatons are immune outside of weak points. Taking 2/3 of a magazine to kill one berserker automaton, half a magazine to knock off a leg of the scout, having to shoot the face of a devastator way too many times the vast majority of instances. -punisher plasma feels better but now doesn't have the ammo capacity/killing power against mediums/you run out very quickly, all points exacerbated against bugs. -blitzer: feels a lot better but the chain lightning needs to happen more often and still shoots blanks. -scythe: feels much better but doesn't kill mediums and overheats too quickly still -quasar: cd is definitely noticeable but still worth taking -eruptor: is still what all the guns need to be brought up to as a standard. it's not op, it has its faults but still effective and can be played around. -sickle: just make sure you manage your heat. still a great gun -secondary: redeemer: recoil is semi-noticeable but can be worked with by pulling down a bit more. -dagger: feels good but range damage fall off feels like it's too detrimental.

[@MegaMjjordan]

Thoughts on the crossbow? Feels ok from what I can tell but killing its mag capacity hurts a lot

[@msu2k]

Thanks for sharing, this was a nice summary.

[@NinthCircleGaming]

Senator: damage increase is noticable. Occasionally I would have to 2 tap basic mobs and 3 tap hunters specifically. Now you regularly one shot all basic mobs and can two tap hunters. Ammo runs out faster with the speed loader but you should not be using it religiously. It's now the best secondary if you're not taking the grenade pistol.

[@adrios7943]

@@MegaMjjordan crossbow is actually a lot worse, before it was good to clear smaller enemies but now it doesn’t do that and for medium enemies it does stagger them now but the damage is so low that is not good at that, mayor nerf dressed as a buff gun went from good for clearing bug to straight up bad against everything

[@Coach_Brian]

Im not in love with the change to patrols. Just played a solo LEVEL 4 mission vs. Bots, and i had to kill 480 bots. It was just non-stop chaos. No strategy. Nonchance to breathe. Nothing but dodging and running and reloading for 35 minutes. It was ridiculous. On level 4...

[@Mr_Jish]

Two words for ya to try: Localization Confusion. It's a bum deal in solo to not be able to take stamina or one of the other quality of life boosters but I cannot emphasize enough how much additional mission management LC gives. I very rarely bring anything other than that, especially now that I realized that it genuinely feels like I can wear engineering kit passive and still get the reduced detection that the scout passive gives, effectively allowing me to solo sneaky with 6 nades. I tested on 4 and 5 and it's kinda dependent on mission type, but I cannot recommend Localization Confusion enough.

[@lawshadow2011]

As always thumbs up for your hard work and many thanks for the tutorials you are one of the BEST gamer channels out there!!! I trully enjoyed your Elden Ring series had to laugh hard when you mentioned those BIG chickens "Look at him dance" you know the area full of blood that was hilariously good and had to laugh man "just look at him..." ie the giant chicken bird...one of the view times you really got fed up with the chicken :) PS i hate them with a passion to gosh can't stand them! Anyway, and of course STILL no fix for the horrendous misalligned scopes on many weapons, Automatons can still shoot through solid mountains. Can't properly vault. 2 phase reload toxicity is still there. Getting randomly stuck, rag dolling yeah "big" update haha. They should focus more on the game mechanics this is what people want to make the game more enjoyable.

[@ragingreaper1190]

We shall return to Elden ring as well for Shadow of the erdtree! but at this point I almost feel like every scope is misaligned lol

[@lawshadow2011]

@@ragingreaper1190 I am waiting for the Shadow of the Erdtree as well and i am eagerly awaiting your tutorial series with it gonna be 100% nice to watch. Keep up the very good work you do much much appreciate your unique presentation!

[@xzeratarx]

Very strange that the patch notes on Steam deviate from the patch notes in the discord. According to the post in the discord server, the guard dog rover took the 30% decrease in damage, but the liberator version got an increase in damage.

[@rayakoth]

I wish they doubled the liberator guard dog'd clip size.

[@tobiasrex8052]

At this point, just have it beltfed and yes double its ammo capacity. ​@rayakoth

[@Brakka86]

I tested the Rover on 6 suicide missions today. It still does the same kind of damage. I think they nerfed them because they buffed the Liberator and the Scythe, the weapons they are carrying. EDIT: the Blitzer feels good to fire now and combined with a Rover it just butchers entire breaches of small to medium bugs.

[@tobiasrex8052]

@Brakka86 until they fix the rover laser from searing my head off, I won't touch it. Waaaay too many deaths using that thing because it helped so much with hordes of bugs. Now I run Stalwart and Dominator to deal with light/medium bugs and use 500kg with stun grenades to deal with chargers & bile titans (minus the stun for them)

[@CP-zu5pi]

Laser drone has always been terrible lol all it does is team kill. The Bullet drone shreds man, absolutely shreds. Its been buffed to fully recover ammo from 1 supply pack, it aims for headshot kills on bruisers and devastators, it priority targets light enemies, it 2 shots hunters. It kills hunters so fast you won't even see any. People whine about this monster just because you have to resupply it occasionally. Ya'll crazy. Go try it.

[@btdforever9389]

Good video. No clickbait, quick concise coverage of the patch. Amazing work soldier 👍🏻💪🏻

[@zero11010]

the eruptor nerf is pretty meaningless. it still feels pretty much the same. the ammo capacity drop is noticeable. i'm guessing this is still best in slot. blitzer feels amazing after the 50% buff in fire rate. scythe actually feels viable after that DPS buff. the rover nerf feels like ... it didn't actually happen. i ran several levels and things still feel like they die at the same rate. i think i would need to check video footage to see if little bugs are taking a tiny bit longer to die. I think the issue is that it does enough damage that it's basically the same amount of time to kill things with very low hit point pools. i'm guessing you'll feel it a lot more on something like a brood commander or stalker. no idea if the scythe buff impacts the rover (it seems like they have separate stats that can be tweaked independently of one another). the liberator version of the guard dog is still trash. why in the world would i want a pack that completely runs out of ammo .... and where picking up ammo packs in the level will not give it ammo ... only supply packs. taking the pack that works really well AND never runs out of ammo feels like a better option. senator buff feels ... all right. huge difference in reload speed. the damage on it still feels anemic as a solution to mediums. the eruptor gave us a primary that functions like a support. the grenade pistol is a monster as a secondary. the revolver should be a reasonable solution for mediums. it was too much of your full ammo capacity to deal with a fat green bile spewer or a brood commander. liberator penetrator still feels weak. you burn through too much of your ammo taking out medium targets (stalker, hive guard, armored spewer, brood commander). it'll do it ... but, it would do it before. it still doesn't feel good to use. we have things like the crossbow and eruptor and scorcher that handle mediums. The goal for this should be the same time and general ammo percentage to handle ..... 5 brood commanders. that's 5 slow shots with the eruptor, but only 1/7th of the total ammo capacity. I'm not sure if I would bet that this weapon can handle those targets in less time, and definitely not without going through more than 1/7th of the ammo capacity.

[@matildementasti4191]

Did you tested the spear and the airsburst ?

[@zero11010]

@@matildementasti4191 no. Those are super low on my list. Spear has been bad from launch. Airburst was released in an insulting state. Conceptually, I’m not sure what role it’s going to perform. It is designed to kill littles and damage mediums. Dude, almost everything in the game does that. It takes up a support slot and a backpack slot. That’s wildly expensive. It has like 6 shots. That’s very few. It has an incredibly long reload. So, compare it to …. Plasma shotgun, eruptor, grenade pistol, grenade launcher, flamethrower, arc thrower …. Orbital airburst, eagle napalm (if they ever get fire to work right), even the terrible cluster bomb. Even a 120 or 380. What capability do you get from this that surpasses everything else? Good range potential. Massive radius. It’s got a radius to compete with a 120 or a 380 with the 4th ship module. But, it’s available more often. Do you use it on 10 bots? No. Any eagle (nearly) would work for that. Orbital gas or airburst would work for it. So patrols of things on bots or bugs do not make sense. An arc thrower will take them out in a few seconds. Or a blitzer. Or two shots from an eruptor. Or just a rover pack and use zero ammo. Run around them for a few seconds. How about a mortar? What about a difficulty 9 triple breach? That makes sense! They’re near one another. So, high target density. Lots of targets. Seems great. Seems ideal. This will absolutely take out littles and mediums in that situation! Just like …. All of the other things I mentioned. But in that level 9 triple breach you’re going to get multiple titans and chargers. This does nothing for those. Usually in a level 9 you don’t stay and fight breeches. It’s a waste of time. But, that’s where this excels. It’s poor or eradicate missions (bug maps). Map is too small for that 50m radius. I can’t figure out where you want to use this. Not with so little ammo and taking up a support slot and a pack.

[@msu2k]

What's the best loadout these days now that the Eruptor/Quasar/Guard Dog Rover combo was nerfed?

[@ragingreaper1190]

New loadouts coming soon!

[@rajgopee1245]

Crossbow was a nerf. the explosive reduction was more than slight

[@dh1148ify]

Yeah, it felt like crap when I used it on bugs earlier. I used to really like it but now I'm reconsidering. What does it even excel at now?

[@legendaryskinman7305]

It says armor with a rating ABOVE 100 , im guessing all the armor at level 100 exactly. does not have that buff ..

[@elimgarak1127]

Bad patch. Nothing is worthy of nerfs yet and they're putting guns back on the shelf entirely with these changes. This will push regular people away. A few more months of comical patches with a small handful of overdue fixes? Not going to pan out.

[@MegaMjjordan]

This patch feels 40% good 60%bad for me right now. Not a fan of the mag size being cut because regardless of planet if you’re swarmed you have to hold the trigger and build heat

[@thewretchedpleb7484]

Only thing that slightly bugs me about the eruptor mags being halfed is that I can't use it on drops or breaches as often now. Clearing out 5 to 8 basic enemies with one shot is still crazy though, so it's not a huge deal. The damage falloff might change those numbers a bit though 🤷‍♂️

[@fuzzydragon]

You skipped right past the laser cannon and the Plasma punisher, And the Scythe

[@zero11010]

Scythe feels great after the patch. It’s viable now.

[@AC-hj9tv]

​@@zero11010oh hell yea

[@9unslin9er]

I was using the Adjudicator today on semi-auto, 3rd person and it was pretty great. put the hurt on Stalkers.

[@VSG117]

ABOVE 100.. doesn't that mean that armor AT 100 doesn't receive it

[@Ghostpanzer]

Guard dog ( machine gun ) is so stupid that it got a damage nurf … it’s not infinite ammo unlike the lazer dog . Lowkey the worst nerf ever

[@Aaron-zl5gq]

the patrol changes for less then 4 players is total trash, this is a massive hit on the players that dont want full teams. what a stupid ass change, if anything do this on level 7 and higher, 1-2 groups just feels awful now especially against the bots. Idk all these nerfs seems pointless .

[@dutchnamekian256]

with the armor buff so... does the light gunner armor with the extra padding have that increased headshot protection it has 100 armor rating

[@Dougdrealer]

Can’t they fix the bugs so the game works properly instead of nerfing our weapons into the ground constantly, sick of having to find a new weapon each update and then getting nerfed again

[@xMikeDezzyx421]

The liberator penetrator got a buff the first day of patch but arrowhead dialed it back to its regular stats. It.was.amazing.

[@isaakharms2656]

RAAAAHHHHHH

[@SheaButter21]

From testing the only medium armor that has reduced headshot damage is the sets with 150 armor rating, the wording is correct that only armor with more than 100 is affected. Generally happy with this patch but I do feel like they are constantly nerfing simply based on popularity which is frustrating. Very interested to see if these changes are enough to bump some of the more unused weapons.

[@timf8792]

If people like it, there must be something wrong with it. =D

[@mr_boom105]

Did you just completely skip over the scythe buffs?

[@UnknownUsername131]

The thing I don't understand with some of these weapon balancing is: Why wasn't it an obvious issue when they were being tested and developed? Like dropping total mags held. What secret could the community have possibly revealed, that the devs didn't see in testing, as far as ammo reserves? At no point during testing did someone say, "This feels high."? It's not like it was released and some bonkers, niche interaction made the Sickle having 6 ICE packs broken. Why risk the ill will of players by doing it after it hits in the wild? On that note, if almost EVERY adjustment for the weapons is to reduce the amount of reserve ammo carried, couldn't you achieve the same result by nerfing the resupply cooldown? At least if you do that, it's one nerf instead of a list of weapon changes that say "Reduced" somewhere in it. It doesn't give people the warm fuzzies.

[@elimgarak1127]

They aren't really testing. It's impossible. They do not have the proper time.

[@MegaMjjordan]

Your comment should be pinned! That’s the one of the biggest issues that’s downplayed. Not the first time either

[@UnknownUsername131]

@elimgarak1127 they don't have enough time to run a mission and see if the amount of ammo resupplies they need to call is to their liking? Actually, now that I think about it, if they have a metric for how scarce they want ammo to feel ( and if they're doing balancing for it, they better have a goal post set) then that's just math.

[@dutchnamekian256]

the concussive is still not worth it i tried it out its good as an support keeping the bugs in place while calling down a bomb

[@patrickhamos2987]

trash patch if you dont want solo players then dont make fckng games. cant believe im saying it, but uninstalled

[@AC-hj9tv]

Get laid

[@MisterCynic18]

Im confused, everyone's saying the armor buff affects medium armor but the notes say only armors ABOVE 100. Am I missing something in the language used?

[@Q..M]

Whatever dude, the eruptor is trash now 😅

[@GRTPPK]

Fog generator armor increased is huge

[@GRTPPK]

No scorcher can't take out the spore tree anymore

[@mlhimmels]

The railgun can’t catch a break:(

[@phillipcox6804]

Was the lascannon a nerf? Anyone tested it yet?

[@lawshadow2011]

Well i tried the nerfed Eruptor and...they did the Erupter wrong no more ONE shotting Bot walkers it takes now 2 to even 3....i mean why this nerf is beyond me. TWO shots to take out a walker. It takes huge amount of time to reload 2 shots it's crazy. Also the explosion radius is pretty nerfed hard. Now i would accept a nerf in magazine size and a reduction to its explosion radius sure but the damage output has been severely nerfed. Sad man take away a fun weapon there is pretty much no insitive to take the Erupter anymore.

[@NinthCircleGaming]

I think you're getting a placebo effect. The explosion damage falloff was increased slightly.

[@lawshadow2011]

@@NinthCircleGaming I wish it was a placebo ive played 2 hours with the eruptor and it sucks it should hit like a truck given the horrendous slow reload, now im constantly reloading just to take out an enemy. Before the nerf played 2 weeks with it constantly. I would say try it your self given that you have some experience with it. It now is S-Tear garbage.

[@zero11010]

the quasar debuff is going to hit the community differently. if you can reliably one shot a charger it will mean very little to you. no follow up shot needed. If you can do that you are likely reliably taking out a titan in 2-3 shots (accounting for one bad titan shot). This will stretch that out a little bit. but, if you're a lower skill player and it usually takes you 2-3 shots to take out a charger ... this is going to be a much bigger deal. especially as you transition to titans. this is also going to add about 25 seconds to the time it takes to eliminate a shrieker nest. so, it'll be about a minute and a half (100 seconds give or take) to get out the 6 shots. not the end of the world, but that will be felt more by newer players while they're harassed by bugs. so now in higher difficulty with 3 chargers and 3 titans on screen ... this is now a much more impactful situation. i think this is going to raise the value of the EATs for additional firepower. with a team of 4 instead of all 4 having quasar it may be .... 3 of 4 with quasar and one with EAT (taking a second quasar spawn from one of the others when available). Having the extra quick follow up shots to alleviate pressure may be impactful.

[@h_flo]

It says Above 100, not 100 and above for the armor, anyone tested yet? I believe there are different categories of armor pen, you can tell from med pen1 machine gun and med pen 2 heavy machine gun

[@dinoderobertis2698]

Does anyone know if the reduction in burning damage also apples to enemies too? Does that mean the incendiary breaker will do 15% less fire damage? I can't find a straight answer anywhere.

[@dh1148ify]

Dude! They didn't mention they put the bugs on a cocktail of meth and steroids! What the actual fuck? I can't be the only one noticing this.

[@OneWayTwoBrazil]

I’d say the explosive liberator is more usable than the crossbow at this point, and that’s really saying something.

[@realtrueblue]

After 100 ish meters the Erupter doesn't explode anymore. It turns it into a giant slug. But from 20 meters it seems to be the full effect and it slowly diminishes the further you shoot from.

[@Grambo-qp4pp]

My poor crossbow :( i play with about 10 others and i was the only one that used it seeing these huge nerfs i cant anymore on lvl 7+

[@jordanrowe3608]

The shots for the blitzer now time so you can hit devestators and their variants before they can shoot back at you. Before they would get one or two shots off right before you could shoot them again

[@ernestgibson8792]

i just want host dot damage to be fixed. i want to use the concussive to push bugs back into a napalm strike.

[@InfectedJello]

Appreciate these vids bro 👊

[@julianandrade4041]

Big fan dude, awesome work on the video. Dominator strong here since launch 💪

[@ObliviousNaga]

Been playing with a lot of the changes and I'm enjoying the changes for the most part

[@MartySince87]

I wish bugs and robot get burned by the fire tornado along with us divers 😩

[@godson985]

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[@mundootaku-gamer9921]

Notification gang 🫡

[@jeffreyblankenship9208]

I like the blitzer with heavy armor so I'm glad it got faster.

[@premiumfruits3528]

Senator buffs got me pitching a tent. My body is ready.

[@SupaDupaXam]

They also nerfed fps on my 4070

[@davidc3040]

the blitzer is now extremely viable up close

[@barstoolbanter7212]

I was really hoping they'd buff it. I love the idea but practicality wise it just couldn't cut it on harder difficulties.

[@theunforgiven9538]

Missed plasma shoty

[@felixh2786]

I'm honestly quite happy with most of these changes. Haven't yet fought any Hulks due to the new MO so I'm curious how the Arc Thrower is affected.

[@tobiasrex8052]

I heard it doesn't stagger Hulks anymore so that's a definite nerf to its utility against bots

[@felixh2786]

@@tobiasrex8052Oof that was the only reason to run it against bots. Well, at least I'll always have my trusty Autocannon.

[@ClumsyDrow]

Guard dog laser, it's terrible now except for the smallest enemies. The machine gun guard dog is still god awful. In the main fact that their nerfing solo play which I do 90% of the time it's pretty much a game-changer now you're getting swarmed three or four times worse. I think I'm going to give this a good long break. It's feeling like destiny 2 too much to me

[@MegaMjjordan]

Yeah man the guard dog is dear to me. It doesn’t seem to bad against bugs so far for me but the mags cut in half sucks as well

[@GrubKiller436]

These nerfs are insane.

[@MartySince87]

Time for a new build video 😂