NEW MAX-4 Rotary Pallet System - 13.5x BOOST! | Fixture Friday 25

[@LoneWolfPrecisionLLC]

Love it! I am excited for the max 4 micro thst was hinted at in the podcast at it should hopefully fit on my brother with a nikken 130 trunnion

[@TrPrecisionMachining]

very good new product mr pierson

[@kopsik111]

I like the examples of increasing number of parts and reducing cycle time by just using the magically appearing 5th axis.

[@PiersonWorkholding]

Lol! Yes the footage is on a 5 axis but these parts only require a 4th axis.

[@flikflak24]

its not really reducing cycle time. its more of reducing idle/part change time and improving stability

[@philiphaahr5413]

I would love to buy this system for our new 5 axis with pallet changer But i cant find what the accuracy/repeatability is? 😊

[@joshtryon1107]

Just curious why didn't pair your Rotovise with your pallet system? Or better yet, your rotovise pallet setup with your regular pallets?

[@YCM30cnc]

Nice work Jay! Can you comment on how low volume repeat products can be evaluated for High Density Workholding? Something like comparing 10/quarter to 100/week 20 minute cycle parts? 100/week seems obvious to do, but 10 every 3 months not so much; what method do suggest for deciding when to and when not to use HDW?

[@PiersonWorkholding]

Great question! I'd focus on using standardized bar stock widths and design fixtures to take care of Op1. The same fixture could potentially run different parts. I have a FF episode planned that will show off that approach.

[@YCM30cnc]

@@PiersonWorkholding 👍👍

[@hampfi747]

As always great and informative video! Really thought provoking. Have you thought about a small pallet changing vertical like a brother r for these kind of parts? With a 4th axis on each pallet you could hit all six sides and load the parts time independent of when the cycle is finished. I think that would be a great next step. As you only have high quality personnel, the additional machine type and controller shouldn’t be that much of a hassle.

[@PiersonWorkholding]

Yes eventually. As we grow we're migrating away from 3 axis mills and replacing them with pallet changing machines.

[@Alasdairryan]

Why are you not just put the part shown in a y axis lathe / mill-turn with a bar feeder? - Is it due to the offset through hole on the edge?

[@PiersonWorkholding]

LOTS of reasons but I'll give you a few. For starters, this part has no turned features which immediately disqualifies it to be run in a turn/mill. Our general opinion is that live tool lathes are terrible mills. Compared to a mill, they have worse surface finish, low spindle speeds, limited travels, generate high toolblock heat (wear) and tool size is limited. Op1 alone would have required 9 live tools in a 12 station turret.

[@flikflak24]

just woundering but would it be possible to fill a table on a hass with those 5 axis or 4 axis and run them all exactly the same ( like one master and the rest as slaves ) cause in that case you could have one or even two machine's filled up with them and another right beside/in between it whth the flat pallets doing op two for both machines ( since it has way less work on op two it should easily be able to keep up with the other two machines that do the op one ) this is just a personal thing but if i know that the machine is only gonna run alu or plastic or copper or other kind of copper alloy ( aka. no chance of sparking materials ) its entire life and nothing else then i would just use oil instead of coolant. but that's just me

[@PiersonWorkholding]

You sure could do dual platter rotaries and fill the machine table.

[@flikflak24]

@@PiersonWorkholding but can you put more then one of the 5 axis rotery table's on the same table/machine and run the secend one as a slave/follow what the other one do ? ( basicly splitting the signal wire so both get the same command and move to/rotate to the same position ). could be need to have a cf6 with like 4 or 6 5axis rotary tables on it with pallet's on them. just imagine the output and also spindle run time where the operater can go do something else

[@shaunybonny688]

Inspiring. Daunting from a beginner’s standpoint

[@richhuntsd12]

Nice product , nice video, just 1 question. It seems like maybe you could have made your pallet just long enough to hold 4 rows of your vacuum chuck part without a lot of problems but obviously I am not aware of all the parameters. Thanks for sharing

[@PiersonWorkholding]

We looked at that but if we squeezed them in the material on the ends would have been too thin. Of course, a 1/2" longer pallet would have allowed that but we like to use our standard pallet sizes whenever we can.

[@465maltbie]

Can this be added to a hrt 160?

[@PiersonWorkholding]

Yes! The HRT-160 has a bolt pattern of 5.51" that matches the MAX-4 Base.

[@465maltbie]

@@PiersonWorkholding thank you, I love the idea

[@jeromefeig4209]

It's called "thinking outside of the box" and being a problem solver.

[@leonschumann2361]

kinda wanna see your toolroom and tooling system overall

[@PiersonWorkholding]

We have a video planned on that topic on our other channel called Pierson Plus. Link in the video description!

[@PhongNguyen-ud3cq]

The same thing can be said about CMM inspection! Running one part at a time on the CMM is inefficient and frustrating. I'd rather have fixtures that allow me to walk away for an hour to set up the next job or perform layout inspection for other parts that don't require CMM inspection. Just like bakers don't make one cookie at a time but rather utilize the entire oven space to bake a batch, we should maximize the CMM's capacity. If the CMM has a large plate, why inspect one part at a time instead of utilizing the whole area with a gang fixture?

[@PiersonWorkholding]

Great point!

[@PaulPoindexter]

You could have put 16 per cycle on rotovise with pallets could you not?

[@PiersonWorkholding]

We plan to add automation and the MAX-4 is meant for automated tasks. RotoVise pallets have more capacity but require manual pallet changes.

[@grantguy8933]

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[@neznamkaj]

Like today you can't get electrician without giving him 200 $ for simple work, it will be the same with machinists in next 5...10 years. Labor shortage is another term that managers as most useless employee in the world (except few % that actually do something good) to justify their incompetence

[@poetac15]

Unfortunately you can buy machined components online from all over the world. You need a local electrician or plumber.

[@scotturquhart4380]

That is a 2 minute part complete

[@PiersonWorkholding]

5 min, 10 sec per part complete to be exact.

[@LoneWolfPrecisionLLC]

There are probably two minutes in tool changes alone. Piersons comment is a realistic number for cycle time.

[@cgpmachining]

Less than 1 minute total on my Brother, with more generic workholding.

[@LoneWolfPrecisionLLC]

@@cgpmachining brother is a difference story I own an s700 and I'm aware of the benefits. You can't compare a brother that rapids at nearly 800 IPM faster and the tool changes are way faster to a Haas. That wasn't the point of the video

[@cgpmachining]

@@LoneWolfPrecisionLLC I am only responding to it being a 2 minute part, my thoughts on the fixturing are best kept to myself. By the way I have an R650 with a Brother rotary on each table.

[@nine0ten771]

How are you suppose to break the mentality of "if it ain't broke don't fix it"? I can't even drag the other machinist into the 21st century methods of machining. Let alone for them to use their cycle times to do something else productive.

[@PiersonWorkholding]

Ugh, I feel your pain. Wait for them to retire? Tough situation!

[@nine0ten771]

@@PiersonWorkholding Unfortunately I'm the closest to retirement. They are the young guys. But I'll keep chipping away at them.

[@spikeypineapple552]

Love the product, but this example is terrible. 10 mins per part is rediculous.

[@PiersonWorkholding]

Where'd you get 10 mins? It's 5m10s per part complete. The bigger benefit is 90 mins of walkaway time.

[@spikeypineapple552]

@@PiersonWorkholding sorry, I thought it was 9 parts complete