NEW Mizuno Pro 245 Full Forgiveness Review

NEW Mizuno Pro 245 Full Forgiveness Review and the NEW Update has had a large increase in Tungsten which will help increase its Launch and also help with miss hit forgiveness. Finally its the UPGRADE that the previous Mizuno Pro 225 desperately needed.
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[@johnatchley9754]

I have come to regard your demos of clubs as the best in a universe of at least a dozen that I watch because of your testing at three speeds and all over the face. By doing this you provide the information they need to the widest range of players from plus 2 handicaps to 22 handicaps. The 245 irons are designed to help those with slower swing speeds. That is the market Mizuno is aiming at. So your slower speed test is extremely useful. It is of little use for me and most average and senior golfers to watch some tester with pro level swing speeds smash a 7 iron 190 yards when we are hoping to get carry up to 150 from 135. So thank you. By the way, does the increased performance on low strikes come at the cost of inferior performance on high strikes that we duffers often make?

[@AskGolfNut]

Any performance a manufacture tries to include for high strikes get wasted by the ground interaction straight away. Only the ball being on a tee would help. But generally no manufacturer put forgiveness designs for high strikes 👍🏻

[@shawnz4270]

Great stuff as usual Jay! Gonna wait until you do the 225 vs 245 video but I’m pretty sure the 245’s will end up in my bag replacing my 225’s. Been very pleased with my 225’s but can’t wait to hit the 245’s. Saw where Luke ended up with a full set of 245’s in his bag for 2024 so that in itself should tell everyone just how good they are.

[@erik2446]

Thank you for showing the 3 swing speeds and their peak heights and descent angles. Very helpful!

[@AskGolfNut]

Glad you found the video helpful 👍🏻

[@ssmith954]

Agreed, incredibly useful.

[@Chris-mr8qm]

Are those GI iron or player distance irons?

[@erik2446]

245 is a player's distance iron@@Chris-mr8qm

[@danbag777]

Looking forward to the comparisons would love to see this up against the Srixon zx5. Another great review I’m looking forward to watching all of the videos 👍

[@JeffHill-hh6xt]

As always fantastic reviews. Hopefully, we will get a 923 forged vs 245 review. I purchased the 923 forged as it wasn't as clunky as the 225 and was more forgiving (for me anyways.) Could you test it in a higher iron like 5i? I know the standard fitting is with 7i but I hope that all that tungsten in the 245 will cure my low height in the 5i. Now the next thing I hope you can work on is having Mizuno make the 243 in lefty... kidding of course.

[@DE-ol9qp]

Also would love to see comparison to 923 forged. I play these but looking for a lighter shaft. Replacing shaft is expensive , might as well go for shiney new things 😀

[@joeperez3520]

I tried these today as the demo heads arrived at the local PGA TOUR Superstore. They ARE tiny, when compared to the original Mizuno hollow "blades," the MP-20 HMB, which I currently use. As an 8-12 handicap, I have no difficulty with the MP-20 HMB, but found the 245s an completely different animal.

[@paulmcgee1867]

Never found Mizuno easy to use Joe

[@joeperez3520]

@@paulmcgee1867 unless someone is a once-a-week-no-time-for-practice golfer, there have been a few iron sets that have been acceptable for 10-15 handicappers, such as the old MX-25 and MX-300. The old JPX-850 was about as forgiving as I’ve ever seen a Mizuno iron be. Now, if you’re talking MP-59… 😱

[@becrisp]

Most comprehensive review out there as usual! Many 🙏🏻

[@jimbecraft1960]

Great review, as always! I currently game the 923 HM Pros. Hoping for a Pro 245 vs 923 HM Pro review, especially forgiveness. Really want to switch back to forged but love the forgiveness of the HM Pros.

[@AskGolfNut]

Your wish is........... 😊 👍🏻 👍🏻

[@dezerteagle6412]

@@AskGolfNutwhen is this dropping I need this comparison!

[@AskGolfNut]

😊 Soon, I've got so much content on the list to make it's impossible to work my way through it without frustrating someone.... I'll get through the comparisons as quickly as humanly possible (obviously my content with the forgiveness data takes longer to produce that other youtube reviewers) 👍🏻 👍🏻

[@dezerteagle6412]

@@AskGolfNut appreciate the quick response and don’t mind me I just geek out to your videos. The more I see on these 245’s the more I want to get them so I’m happy to wait because I wont make the decision until I see your video. Only KZbinr I trust 100%. Keep up the great work!

[@AbbyandEd]

As always Jay, great and useful content. I absolutely love my 225's so there is zero chance I'll move away from them. I played MP30 - sweet in the middle but yeouch if you missed. MP64 - Great, but blade forgiveness. 225's are easily the best irons I've ever played. 245's sound great - same direction. When you step up and mishit a ball, over a ravine, and see that sucker land on the green or just off left or right - it's a game changer! (11.7HCP) You are producing some of the most useful golf content out there for us amateurs. Multiple swing speeds, detailed miss data. Great stuff!

[@AskGolfNut]

It certainly takes enough time to complete and then edit 😊😊

[@AbbyandEd]

@@AskGolfNut Of that I'm sure. You should touch base with Mizuno about commissions...kidding. Because of your detailed content, I bought the 225's, an STZ220 driver, then the STZ230 head - which I prefer. Very happy with my irons and driver. I am a huge Mizuno fan, so your content has been most helpful! (Won't get the Callaway 3W or Titleist TS2 Hybrids out of the bag though.)

[@georgekopetski292]

Excellent vid...thanks. I attended your teaser vlog last week, and now I see why you were so confident about the 245, especially for thin shots. For reference I am a 9HC lefty, played Mizuno Grad, and several MP iterations, but now on Apex with Recoil graphite, all due to aging and loss of swing speed. I will for sure be looking at 245, and ideally back to steel shafts, as I tend to pull my current irons. I live in Boston and my teaching Pro is in Ohio, so I do not see him much...more relying on retail stores to customize my fit. Grrr.

[@deanbowditch7329]

Great content as always Jay! Looking forward to the 225 vs 245 video. I have the 225s and I hope they hold their own !

[@atxrich]

My advice would be not to watch and enjoy your 225’s. 😊

[@AskGolfNut]

Review should be coming fairly soon 👍🏻

[@BrendonCamm]

Amazing video. Hits these today... I'm in love. Thanks for all of the forgiveness data, really great stuff.

[@johnatchley9754]

I really value your tests and have come to regard them as the most useful of about a dozen I watch because of your three swing speeds and hitting the ball all over the face. This is particularly important with an iron like the 245 that Mizuno designed for the slower speed player market even though players with faster speeds might like it. It is of little use for me to watch someone with the swing speed of a pro smash a 7 iron 190 yards. So thank you. By the way, did you do some hits high on the face to see if the help from tungsten on low strikes comes at the sacrifice of carry on high strikes?

[@cubuffs5601]

Agree that it would be good to see how high strikes perform.

[@shakeyfly]

I was fitted into these and waiting three weeks for the build is killing me.

[@AskGolfNut]

Could be worse, I remember in covid times when lead times were measured in months 😮🤦

[@stashimoto]

Just hit these in my club fitting today. Tested lots of different irons over 2 sessions and it has come down to these and thr new ping I530's. These MP 245's overall gave me the best results and now its time to buy

[@AskGolfNut]

I haven't done the compare yet between the two so it'll be interesting for me to see which ones comes out better. 🤷👍🏻

[@stashimoto]

@AskGolfNut my test numbers were very similar to the point where i could go either way. My average numbers with 7i were 114 ball speed, 1.39 efficiency, 176 yrds, 4950 spin. The dispersion was best, great on mishits as well

[@midhc5072]

Now even I’d be using iron covers with those. Stunning.

[@adambarnes4191]

The swing speed comps are great. Looking forward to the 243 test as well. Beautiful clubs but those lofts are a bit strong.

[@ssmith954]

Have already seen these in the shops in Japan. They're absolutely stunning. I'm getting older and slower... so was alo looking forward to wing speed and forgiveness comparisons. Really tempted to game these from 6-GW. Would then probably go to 54 and 60 degree wedges, or 52 and 58, depending on gapping.

[@adambarnes4191]

@ssmith954 they are pretty. My problem is that I'm a higher ss player (110 driver) and I don't need help with distance or height but forgiveness. Seems like my options are a blade or hitting a 30⁰ 7 iron. I just wish they made a 245 type iron with 34⁰ 7 iron and a more neutral cog.

[@AskGolfNut]

Could either add as much loft as possible or blend a 243 and 245 sweet together, just bend the 245 weak a bit?? 👍🏻 👍🏻

[@adambarnes4191]

@AskGolfNut I wouldn't mind the extra bounce as Mizuno are a little low, but I worry about adding loft to an already low cog iron as Im a higher ball hitter, driver SS around 112. Feel like they might go too high. I wish there were some more choices in the higher forgiveness but traditional loft sets. Even the 243 is a 32⁰ 7 iron and that's Mizuno's 3rd players iron after the 241 and 9xx Tour. The 243 seemed like the perfect opportunity to provide a forgiving cb in a 34⁰ iron and save the players distance for the 9xx forged. I just don't see a lot of people looking for added distance through lowered lofts thinking the mid offering out of the MP line is the play. The vast majority will go 245 or JPX line. Didn't mean to type a book, just a bit perplexed on the trend of iron lofts.

[@AskGolfNut]

Don't mind a good book length response 😊 you have good points and raise them well. It's a definite gap in the golfing market but unfortunately I'm not sure the market size is large enough for manufacturers to spend designing the antidote or the cure 🤔🤷👍🏻👍🏻

[@myopenmind527]

I’ve been wondering what all that Tungsten would do. Admittedly with stronger lofts but that’s some performance and incredible descent angle. Seem very forgiving. Cant wait to see what they look like at address and how much of the back of the club you can see at address through the long irons. Mizuno are producing some cutting edge irons. Jay, great review as always. You are the first place I come to for honest golf club reviews. One of the best and seriously underrated channels on the net. How you don’t have 500,000 and more followers is beyond me. Keep up the great work! ⛳️🏌️‍♂️👍

[@Beadlesabout88]

Thanks Jay. Another quality review. I will be trying these out as part of my planned new set later this month

[@AskGolfNut]

Will be interested to hear how you got on, or even better join in on the next open all access live stream and let me know then 👍🏻

[@gjones9558]

Love to know how you would compare these versus the 923 forged. Feel, workability and forgiveness. Love your content mate. Keep it up!

[@wasteland1212]

Many thanks for review. Looking forward comparison Vid as well.

[@AskGolfNut]

Lots on the list now Min 👍🏻

[@wasteland1212]

@@AskGolfNut I saw every reviews of New MizunoPro 24x iron since release, yours is the best proper review by far. I'm going to try 245 and 243 at Norwich very soon, and your review and comment from live show give me very useful info to choose my new iron. I really appreciate your honest reviews.

[@J2K2A]

Makes you really appreciate how Titleist fit 80g of tungsten in a T100 the size of a blade.

[@allahalibaba9063]

Thanks for this review...Will be checking them out for the proper shaft to fit my game...

[@MarkReed-gc8ed]

Forgot to include 80 mph swing speed. What would be the lowest lofted club you would recommend to maintain proper decent angle? Thank you! Love your different swing speed analysis. Addicted to your channel!

[@AskGolfNut]

Hi Mark, thanks for the comment. At 80mph you have potential to use 6 iron absolutely and depending on your delivery dynamics and how fsvourable you are loft wise then you may or may not have to option for a 5 iron. Best way would be to get properly fitted for them from somewhere that routinely uses the Swing DNA Shaft Analyser and you'll be able to see from the Launch Monitor what descent angles you are running with the 7 iron... If its steep enough then the fitter will be able to advice accordingly 👍🏻

[@MarkReed-gc8ed]

@@AskGolfNut Thank you! I will definitely get fitted, however, I think at this point with my over the top all arms swing I would be better served working to get my swing mechanics better before getting fitted. Unfortunately new clubs will not fix my swing, lol.

[@AskGolfNut]

@MarkReed-gc8ed that's for sure, swing first then equipment 👍🏻

[@stevewoodward2139]

Hi Jay. another great review. Could you do a comparison review of the 245 vs new Fli-Hi please (especially around the 4 iron?

[@SigmaRomeo1111]

Keep up the great work! Very in depth, great content my friend

[@legend9018]

Great video Jay. I don’t know how you pack so much data and information into a video that is under 20 minutes but somehow you do. Thank you 🙏. These are very tempting indeed but I need more help than they offer lol

[@AskGolfNut]

It's called a crazy amount of editing 😂 but I still had so much to say. Having the same problem with the 24e review. It's almost like I'm going to need to do another video specifically about blending the new 24 series irons to get the rest of the info I want to discuss said. 🤔🤔🤔👍🏻

[@legend9018]

@@AskGolfNut we will appreciate any content you see fit to provide us with 🙏

[@steveroper194]

Nice review...considering trading in the 923HM for these, looking for a little more feel.

[@rayrapp8929]

A superb review, especially with regards to different swing speeds. I would guess based on your metrics I have a modest 7 iron swing speed of 75mph, which probably means the 245 is not the club for me. Maybe a more forgiving and possibly longer club like the Srixon ZX4 m2 would be a better fit. Currently game the JPX 919 forged with recoil F3 shafts. Would love to see how the 245 stands up against its main competitors.

[@AskGolfNut]

If you are concerned about 245 not working at 7 iron level (it should do a 75mph swing speed and maybe even 6 iron) but the ZX4s would be worse sure to the even stronger lofts. They are a bigger head but even with that it would struggle to flight the ball correctly potentially. Also they are very very different irons so normally wouldn't be comparable, full on Game Improvement to Players Distance 👍🏻

[@dominickdelfino7552]

Great video Jay! As always! Thin to win! Looking forward to more videos from you!

[@AskGolfNut]

Hi Dom, just realised I missed this one from you, apologies! 👍🏻

[@dominickdelfino7552]

@@AskGolfNut thanks Jay you are actually quite good at responding to comments.

[@AskGolfNut]

@dominickdelfino7552 I try as best as I possibly can..... I just get so many 🤯

[@stephenwassinger5154]

As a 16 handicapper getting better I am tempted to get these. Just hate cast club feel.

[@olajakobsson1366]

Great video Jay! Have played MP25, MPH5 and have the MP20 in the bag. Easy to say I like my hollowbody blade like Mizunos. Can you please compare MP20, 225 and the 245?

[@AskGolfNut]

A hollow bodied all in one video 🙂👍

[@TrevorDandy.]

Great review. I’m taking the plunge on these and it wasn’t without a ton of wrestling in my head. I’m right around 100mph with a 7 iron but I just don’t have the time to practice anymore and I just want clubs that are easier to hit than my MP-5’s. We’ll see how this goes

[@AskGolfNut]

Are you thinking about doing anything with the lofts on these as I can only guess how far your stock 7 iron will carry..... 😊 👍🏻

[@AskGolfNut]

Could quite easily go 243 with how well that also performs, video coming very soon. Then even with the 100mph 7 iron swing it would control the 7 iron between 170-180 yards which then becomes manageable. 👍🏻

[@TrevorDandy.]

@@AskGolfNut I ordered them at stock lofts in C-Taper 130X but I do have handy access to a loft and lie machine. I’m gonna have to spend some serious time in a gapping session

[@fino5768]

Similar situation myself, just got fit today swing speed 93-95mph when really getting after it. Carry avg around 193. I have a very neutral attack angle and sweep mostly w/avg of 25° launch. I was worried this were playing to long compared to my HM921s. Will go back for a gapping session when they arrive and possibly deloft depending on play.

[@mikecook8059]

Would you prefer the MP245 or Titleists T150's?

[@mrwoo33]

Great video Jay. These look very impressive

[@douglasgardner4004]

Lots of work to get this video together. Thanks for that. I picked up a used set of Pro 223's a month or so back largely based on the extensive reviews and comparisons you did with other irons I've tried (i230, 923 Forged, i525). The price was great too. Looking forward to the 243 video you have in production. Really enjoying the 223's. The speed pocket in the lower lofted irons give me just enough ball speed boost to fit in with the gapping at the top end of the bag. The solid construction of the higher lofted irons feel great. Pretty much like having a blended set.

[@keithbaker6842]

Great review of Pro 245. Please do P790 comparison asap. Thanks!

[@raptorgaming1247]

Really good in-depth video, thanks for being so informative.

[@AskGolfNut]

Really glad you enjoyed the video, how long have you been a subscriber? 👍🏻

[@raptorgaming1247]

@@AskGolfNut about 10 mins 😂 I’m having a iron fit on Sunday and I’m looking at the 245’s. Currently using the p790’s so I’m now watching that video…

[@AskGolfNut]

What did you think? 👍🏻

[@AskGolfNut]

I've also got a P790 vs 245 video 👍🏻

[@raptorgaming1247]

@@AskGolfNut well it’s a so so isn’t it. I’m using an already v good iron. I’m a 13 hdcp currently but I’m wanting something that looks better behind the ball. Loved the review of the 2 clubs and it makes me feel that I should be in the 245. I understand the 2 are v similar but for cosmetics for me the 245 wins. I want a club that launches a little higher as I tend to hit a lower ball flight. Can you recommend any other irons similar to 245? How about the cobra ultra king? Would the 243 be too good for me?

[@chriswine1876]

Would like to see you bend this 1 degree weak and then 2 degrees weak and see how it effects those numbers. Seeing Luke Donald play these this year has me intrigued but I have to think he softened the lofts.

[@jonrobins1960]

Curious if you changed shafts, shaft weight and flex for the lower swing speed testing as those swing speed golfers would be using different shafts than the 90 mile an hour golfer. Great content!

[@AskGolfNut]

Hi Jon, I'm fortunate to not be shaft sensitive so my delivery doesn't change with different shafts, but in general yes you are correct, someone that has a hugely different speed differential and more important a loading differential in transition would require different bend profile shafts. But for this test and all other tests, a massive variance of shaft bend profile doesn't make any difference to the delivered angles. This is also fortunate as media samples come in all different shapes of shaft that do affect nearly all golfers 👍🏻

[@steelhead3139]

Jay, Loving my 2023 T200s but miss my 225s, is the 245 the equal of my T200 on those toe misses? Great work as always!

[@AskGolfNut]

Thanks very much for your kind, support. I haven't test led the T200 in depth, I have spent some time using it on GCQuad and as soon as I can get my hands on a Media set of irons it will be a great compare, although I will say after using them both, now with the 245s upgrade in tungsten those two irons will go toe to toe on the forgiveness front for sure 👍🏻

[@davidgarner8490]

Great how you show the lofts on screen

[@AskGolfNut]

They can be a pain to produce the graphics sometimes but they do add a lot to the content 👍🏻 glad you appreciate them 👍🏻

[@angelounelli2515]

Just another great review. I too am getting older (68) and distance has become an important piece of the puzzle (currently hit my 7 iron ~155 in the air and 160ish total. That said, I have always played forged irons...Apex Pro and then to Honma TR20P for the last 3 years. Tough question but would you have any perspective of how the 243 or 245 would align to the TR20P? I wouldn't see enough interest for you to do any Honma reviews so just hoping you might have some past experience. Looking forward to your next reviews.

[@angelounelli2515]

Any input for me Jay?

[@User87781]

Great review as always! I was wondering when these will be released in stores in the USA?

[@AskGolfNut]

Back end of January early February I believe 👍🏻

[@atxrich]

They’re available for pre order in the US now.

[@jimwocha4949]

one and done. There's no point watching any other reviews of the 245 as this tells you all you need to know. The comparison should be interesting. I anticipate that they will be the same out of the middle but the 245 will win on off-centre hits.

[@gunner9010]

I'm currently gaming JPX 919 HMP's. As my game improves I seem to sail the well struck shots right over the green. I'm wondering if the 245's could be blended with the 243's in the shorter irons or maybe the 245's with the different tech. in the shorter irons already compensates for this. I really like the look of the 245's!

[@AskGolfNut]

Hi there, what you are experiencing is common and usual for a high handicap golfer coming down in their handicap. You are finding the true middle of the face more often and when you do, you see a good chunk of distance that you aren't expecting. Changing irons won't actually solve this and in some cases can actually be worse due to the less forgiving nature (generally) of smaller design clubs. Yes absolutely as soon as you break through the barrier of hitting more good than not and you start to realign your carry distances in your head to reflect the new more consistent longer carries, then you could opt for a Players Distance option with slightly more sensible lofts and also has better looks and feel, and arguably a touch more consistency from shots around the middle. I hope this help, thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

[@sevesellors2831]

Great review how does the 245 compare to the JPX 923 forged, Ping i530 and Dynapwr forged for forgiveness. I’m a senior 15/17 handicapper with a 74 mph swing speed with 7 iron, I launch quite high normally 23 degrees and descent 46.

[@MarkReed-gc8ed]

Quick question that may have already been addressed. Since the lofts are stronger couldn’t a person just use the 8 iron (34 degree) as their normal 7 iron. Wouldn’t that mitigate the lower spin, peak height and decent angle?

[@AskGolfNut]

Potentially but you'd have to build them half inch extra in the length as the 8 even at the same loft would be swinging at a slower speed due to the length. Also you'd have to ensure the lie calculation was done to ensure dynamic lie is still correct with the shaft length going longer (1 degree more Upright from the extra shaft length) 👍🏻

[@MarkReed-gc8ed]

@@AskGolfNut Thank you! In my opinion you are the best golf club reviewer/analyzer on KZbin!

[@neoinarien]

Looking forward to the 245 v p790 v 525. Any predictions? Thanks, great video as always!

[@philipp8185]

Great content! Would you recommend these clubs for a 26 HC? Currently I’m using the hot metal 919.

[@AskGolfNut]

Club choice shouldn't be linked whatsoever to handicap, but to the needs of the golfer..... Answer the below for me... How much forgiveness do you need from poor striking? How much help do you need with getting the ball up in the air... Airborne?? How much help do you need with extra ball speed / distance?? Answer me those and I'll be able to direct you 👍🏻👍🏻

[@philipp8185]

@@AskGolfNut Hi and thank you for your response. To be honest, for me these questions are not easy to answer. Currently I‘ve started some drills to hit the sweetspot. Because I’ve recognized there are many shots on a 18 hole round, with no good impact. I’m not certain if I would need more forgiveness. I’m also ok with the high of my ball flight. If my current clubs helps me with this? I don’t know. My distance is about 130 meters with a 7 Iron. I guess my answers are not very helpful for you. I’ve thought the 245 are good irons to improve my game, by getting my swing better and they are also forgiving. So I guess I need to do a fitting. The problem ist to find a good and honest fitter here by me in germany.

[@AskGolfNut]

@@philipp8185 very true. Difficult to find someone without the sale on their mind and conducting the fitting with the best interests of you in mind. It's a shame you didn't live closer 👍🏻

[@ryanlogue1118]

Thank you as always! Curious how the 245 irons in the 9i, PW, GW compare to the 243 or 241 in performance, forgiveness, feel, etc given that the internal construction is a bit different. Thoughts?

[@Assbear1]

Will we get a Zrixon ZX5 vs Mizuno 245? I'm between those 2 irons so would love a comparising video to look at the diffrences

[@AskGolfNut]

Absolutely 👍

[@grossieone3683]

Any chance that you could include the HMB in the 245 vs 225 comparison? Given these are now around 5 years old, they are right in the timeframe for upgrading (2 generation upgrade cycle, rather than next). Thanks!

[@GOLFADDICT65]

probably should give the Mrs. my banking card during release season...lol

[@rexchan8]

Mizuno would have told you that the 8-G compared to the 2-7, are constructed differently and are progressing to 1025 in the short clubs, making them have less zing off the face at impact.

[@AskGolfNut]

They did, that's why I said and explained the above during the first segment. The only real complaints thwy had with the 223’s and 225s were on occasion the distance gap between irons wasn't uniform so I think they have had time to work on the blending of tech with the changing lofts to make it a seemless transition 👍🏻

[@rexchan8]

@AskGolfNut I've had them for about 6 weeks since I got back from Japan, and they are really like 3 separate types of irons in the long, mid and short. When you are able, have a go at the short ones and you can tell they are very different from the mid and long clubs. I got fitted on them from 4-G in PX6.0 2* flat and coming from the i525s, the noticeable thing is the increased dig with the longer clubs with the greatly reduced bounce. I am considering playing a mix set at times with the Ping and Mizuno as it is rather mushy in my location this time of the year.

[@AskGolfNut]

The bounce numbers are definitely something that people don't look at enough and also generally playing with more bounce isn't a bad thing. Generally the better player has a better control of low point so requires much less help from bounce. That's why ping have done so well over the years, they firmly target their design to the average golfer that does need the help that more bounce gives 👍🏻

[@sarahnaden2176]

Great review again, I’m a female player, pretty decent all though I say it myself. Handicap +2, currently gaming 923 forged as I’m always striving for distance, current 7 iron data: launch 21, ball speed 105, carry 143, peak height 80. have found in longer irons not getting the decent angle, so stopping on summer greens can be an issue. Would you say it’s worth me looking at 243 rather than 245. Thank you

[@AskGolfNut]

Hi Sarah, with the tungsten benefiting launch I'd possibly say weakening the lofts very slightly on the 245 may well bring it into line with the JPX923 High Launch iron but with obvious better aesthetics. The HL will always win due to its size, but the 245 could very well be quite a versatile iron depending on its loft. Just be aware of its spin profile during ant tests and see what they are individually for you. 👍🏻

[@steelhead3139]

Thanks!

[@johnwalsh1737]

Good review, looks promising!

[@AskGolfNut]

Thanks very much John 👍🏻

[@TLRChad]

I don't need help with distance, but I just can't get over how forgiving these clubs are. Almost foolish not to consider playing these.

[@kentao4]

Exactly but I’m wondering how bending them a few degrees weaker will affect the bounce. I don’t want my 7i going 190

[@kentao4]

And after testing, they’re going about 195-200😶

[@tylerbellgolf]

@@kentao4yeah I was hitting bombs lol

[@kentao4]

@@tylerbellgolftoo much!! Lol

[@Graken-oj8dx]

@@kentao4 I agree. I would like to go two degrees weak. I would get a slightly higher launch decentangle over 50°. Also, should get more spin and more bounce, plus slightly less offset than it currently has.

[@MattMacKo]

Great video! I'm getting fit this weekend.looking at P790, Ping i530, Mizuno 245 Pro, & Titleist 200. Mid swing speed guy here.

[@AskGolfNut]

All solid choices. If you can when settled on the correct fitting with each, rather than block gaining your comparison datasets, swap between irons back and forth to see if there is a consistent winner when rapidly swapping. Very easily golfers can get into a groove with a club in a fitting that doesn't necessarily translate on the course. So swapping between fitted models rapidly will give you chance to see a clear winner if any for you 👍🏻 Good luck on the fitting..... Use the Swing DNA Shaft Analyser if possible (getting fitted for the 245s so that should be used without question) as it'll allow you to dial in shaft really quickly rather than the old school bumper car fitting which wastes your time and energy otherwise 👍🏻 Let me know how you got on 👍🏻

[@robertlong5072]

Mizuno 245 or srixon zx4? Which would you chose between the 2?

[@ryanwallace3477]

Would these 245’s be close to the forgiveness of a game improvement or is there still some distance between them?

[@AskGolfNut]

Honestly nowadays there's not much difference if any. The only benefit you get from a Game improvement iron which is generally much bigger is the small amount of extra help in vertical gearing (launch) yet commonly that is countered by the stronger standard loft 👍🏻

[@MrMatthew262]

Why would one play this iron vs Jpx923 forged? They seem very similar in size and lofts. Forged may have a bit more offset but not much.

[@J2K2A]

I was wondering what happened to all your trivia videos. I forgive you. 😂

[@AskGolfNut]

From Stats to Strokes will continue very very soon, just it's silly season for releases so a huge amount of extra workload and also struggling to find a release window for videos and not double stacking videos which may impair the 1st videos performance etc 👍🏻

[@kooijbas]

Would there really be much difference in forgiveness between these and a SGI like the G430/G730? There's only so much you can do with weighting and these look like they're about as forgiving as a golf club can get.

[@AskGolfNut]

I've got a volley of videos coming over the coming week that will answer this question a few times over 😉👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@kooijbas]

@@AskGolfNut Oh nice, good stuff.

[@markcampbell1708]

Hi Jay, currently game MP20MB 7-PW and 4-6 MP20MMC. Love them and very predictable. However PW and 7 are a bit beaten up so am considering 6-PW in 241MB and 245 4/5 Irons. What do you think about tweaking 4/5 lofts if necessary and would you go 6 iron in 245 even though the gap could be 20 yards? Making weak would affect bounce maybe? Thoughts

[@AskGolfNut]

Have you thought about the possibility of going two 6 irons and then going extra half in the 245 so they blend seemlessly with the 241s? 👍🏻

[@810golf9]

How bad is efficiancy 1.15? I tried the 245 out switching from old jpx800 irons to that blew my mind there fun to hit but i lost 10mph swing speed and had 1.15 efficancy average

[@AskGolfNut]

Hmmm that sounds like something not quite right there, a head change shouldn't affect swing speed very much if at all so I am very interested to hear what setup you tested both out in. Efficiency is a measure of ball speed for any given club head speed and main influences on that is Strike and Face to Path numbers. 1.15 is super low and would love to know your swing dynamics and also what your strike point was 👍

[@810golf9]

@@AskGolfNut i dont really remember what i used for that but I had two hours sleep and havnt really swung a club in three months so it was probally a me issue lol

[@AfroNinja115]

Could you do 243 vs 223 head to head next?

[@MrLanceboil]

jpx 923 forged vs pro 245 would be awesome PLEASE

[@AskGolfNut]

Next on the list to compare, got the new Wilson irons to do first though 👍🏻

[@MrMatthew262]

Can you do a 225 vs apex pro 24 review?

[@ryanmcbeth7506]

I play Jpx 923 forged. What are your thoughts between Jpx 923 forged vs 245 & 243? Had 223 really liked them but distance with 923 forged especially on mishits was so much better. Didn't like 225 at all.

[@AskGolfNut]

The 245 is a different club with the upgrade in tungsten, I've literally just uploaded a Pro 225 vs Pro 245 comparison so take a look at that and see what you think 👍👍

[@ryanmcbeth7506]

@AskGolfNut great video. I checked all the specs and the sole width was interesting between the 243, 245 & 923 Forged. Especially Forged has a weird progession of Sole Width. Offset on 243 & 245 is identical. Which is nice since most Players Distance irons have alot of offset.

[@jimk.8544]

Looking at table at 11:00 mark. The 90mph shows an average rollout of 9 yards (total yards minus carry). This seems like a lot considering the descent angle and I didn’t see this sort of roll out showing up on the individual swing data on the shots you did in the video. So what explains the 9 yards of rollout, or an I misunderstanding the data? Thank you

[@AskGolfNut]

Hi Jim, I'd mainly ignore the roll out side fo things as this depends very much on if I hit the Green or just miss by either left to right or slightly long or short, and that is also affected by what distance I set the green to prior to starting the data set. I always look at the peak heights and descent angles to measure stopping power rather than simulated roll out as again depending on the differential of surface between green, fairway and fringe etc, the simulated roll out data has room to vary passed that of the peak height and descent angles 👍🏻

[@jimk.8544]

Thanks. I went for a fitting last week at the Mizuno fitting center. The clubs were showing a similar rollout as yours despite having a similar descent angle. Hence, I left the fitting a bit confused/worried (decided to come back for a second one). So…how can I best tell a club’s stopping power during a fitting? Thanks for your assistance. Love your videos and especially how you demonstrate effectiveness of forgiveness

[@saintcruzin]

If Tungsten is heavier, more dense then steel, how can it improve heal toe weighting?? Easier to get the ball up though..

[@AskGolfNut]

Because the extra weight has the effect of stabilising the head, a larger longer and deeper tungsten bar resists the twisting force otherwise applied from an off centre hit. Obviously there are limits but it's nice to have the stability in the head 👍🏻

[@ottawapop]

Is it time to check them against the Hot metal pros again? I think so..

[@AskGolfNut]

It's on the list to do 👍🏻

[@pauld.103]

Which Mizuno compares closest to Ping i230? And would you pick it over the ping i230?

[@AskGolfNut]

Pro 243 would be the closest match, and that a really good question. They both have advantages and disadvantages. Mizuno has a much better and comprehensive shaft choice, Ping have much more flexible heads that can be bent to suit a large array of golfers. It would be a good video comparison 👍🏻

[@pauld.103]

Agreed, would really like to see that comparison. Thx!

[@brianberg7798]

Why wouldn’t anyone plays these? They seem super forgiving. Why make the game more difficult than it already is. Ego I suppose.

[@AskGolfNut]

The 245s for quick swing speed players may have potentially too large a distance gaps between irons due to their strong lofts, and then also for very low swing speed players they may find that they don't quite have enough help getting the ball launching to keep carry distance gapping. For medium slow, Medium and medium fast swing speed players the 245s could be an extremely solid choice 👍🏻

[@mrsatter5575]

Based on feel as hollow body, these or apex pro?

[@AskGolfNut]

New or old apex? Very close if it's new Apex, 245 for sure if we are talking old Apex 👍🏻

[@divotdigger247]

How does it do high on the face? Relative to the old 225?

[@AskGolfNut]

Difficult to say as near always any strike high on the face means ground interaction prior to strike which is in most cases far worse than the problem with the high strike. 👍🏻

[@RajKumar-zm4ll]

Is it worth upgrading to 245 from 225 or not?

[@AskGolfNut]

Hmmm interesting question, I'd possibly say no unless you need the extra help from the forgiveness side of things that the big upgrade in tungsten brings 👍🏻

[@mikecook8059]

Do they launch higher than the MP225?

[@AskGolfNut]

Slightly on first impressions but will have to waiting see for the full comparison test so I can test them side by side 👍🏻

[@jarhead767]

Apex 21 vs Pro 245??

[@paulmcgee1867]

Mizuno, never easy irons. You have made me wonder whether it’s lack of bounce.

[@AskGolfNut]

Mizuno have always gone down a fairly small bounce angle with other manufacturers filling somewhere in between and some copying Mizuno's bounce ethos. Bounce is much more about securing a more forgiving strike protecting against high strikes (chunks and fat shots) but can also cause problems in other ways so not always is high or low bounce a good thing. Just needs to be fitted correctly to the golfer in question 👍

[@InterstellarMedium]

Thanks

[@AskGolfNut]

Thank you ever so much for your kind donation and support of the channel 👍

[@KartBoyz]

First viewer!

[@AskGolfNut]

Yes you are! That's impressively fast..... Who was the 1st person to LIKE and SHARE though 😉🙂

[@KartBoyz]

Haha I had just finished the last video clicked over and said uploaded 28 seconds ago haha. I know the videos are coming but I have 225s now and fairly high swing speed “90s” I was thinking of going 241 or 243s thoughts I’m a 7hdcp on sim (no lost balls)

[@deepee1544]

You play blades? Lol.