RE-MATCH AFTER THE UPGRADE | Mizuno Pro 245 vs Taylormade P790 Irons

[@AskGolfNut]

DON'T Forget to LIKE the Video, helps enormously and also COMMENT Below, I'll answer as many as I possibly can 👍

[@wasteland1212]

It's great to see the efficiency comparison table, I do not need to go back for check and compare. Excellent review.

[@AskGolfNut]

Glad you liked it! It does take a while to create so glad you get something from it. Hopefully we get more love for it and I'll continue to create the Forgiveness Comparison Table 👍

[@TLRChad]

The most informative reviews on KZbin. Thanks Jay for doing what you do.

[@AskGolfNut]

I appreciate that! They take a lot of time to do so always nice to receive positive feedback 👍👍

[@DanglesSeason]

I went to 245s from p790s and I don’t regret it. My biggest thing was feel that I was looking for and the mizunos feel so much better than the p790s and I’m a Taylormade fan boy

[@justinpolaris5324]

How’s the forgiveness compare to the 790’s and are they as hot off the face?

[@DanglesSeason]

@@justinpolaris5324 forgiveness is pretty good. Hard to tell a difference between the two honestly when it comes to mis hits. And yeah they go just as far as my 790s did but the loft is also stronger by a touch than the 790s. Not as many flyers with the 245s compared to 790.

[@justinpolaris5324]

@@DanglesSeason awesome thanks! I may have to go with the 245s 😁

[@DanglesSeason]

@@justinpolaris5324no problem. Feel is subjective to everybody but I’ve had the 2019 p790 the 2020 p770 and the 2021 p790 and the 245s blow them all out of the water for me.

[@VandelayIndustries-bo8zm]

Jay, you are the BEST! Your data backed, consistent videos have influenced my purchasing decisions more than anything else out there!

[@AskGolfNut]

Really glad to hear that you enjoy the content and appreciate the level of work and time that goes into every video 👍👍

[@GiggityGagnon]

Love the numbers comparison chart at the end of the video. Great work as always, Jay.

[@AskGolfNut]

Always looking at ways to give more clarity in a subject for some is too complex and has no interest. This side of the video arguably is the most important side of the whole review. Glad you enjoyed the new addition 👍🏻

[@jiml9062]

Great content, as I am looking at the 245, 71 years old, still playing off 6, miss my MP's (since the TP11's) but couldn't make them work anymore so went to 921 forged, but just not the same. Looking at these, at least I can pretend I am back hitting blades. Oh, to be 30 again

[@markboreham5258]

Hi Jay, great video once again. This was a comparison I was keenly interested in as well as Pro 245 vs i530 and 0317T. So informative…the best out there!

[@AskGolfNut]

The Pro 245 vs i530 is coming soon, later this week 👍

[@AskGolfNut]

I've reached out again to PXG and I'll see if I get any reply back. Also out to Titleist as well on Twitter... 🤷 I'll review them for sure if they will give me some samples. Sometimes the cynic in me wonders why manufacturers resist sometimes giving me equipment to test when they know how I analytically test them and put them up against others, if their marketing is sometimes better than the product 🤔🤷🤷👍🏻

[@markboreham5258]

It must be frustrating trying to get samples from some brands. Glad I saw this video as I am more impressed with the 245 than I was before and I do love that it is shinnier than the P790. I know it is not chrome like previous models but still looks way better than the P790 which is much duller.

[@myopenmind527]

Great video. Closer between the two than I’d expected. I’m getting used to my new 245s. My golf coach has been impressed to the distance, accuracy and especially efficiency numbers for the 245. Working hard on my swing and am now releasing the ball at impact way better than ever in my life which has improved strike and dispersion. All that means it that I can enjoy my new clubs more. Having the right equipment and an improving swing which gives pleasure from playing this game. My scores are coming down each week. Jay, on a separate note can I thank you for another really honest and thorough review. Big thanks for that! It’s so good to hear the opinions of a pro who is not biased by sales margins or other bias. I personally prefer the feel and look of the Mizuno 245 but have no doubt I’d get very similar shot outcomes with the TaylorMade. Big 👍, I’m subscribed for year and I’m a member ✅ …….for obvious reasons. You are the best reviewer out there. 👏🏻👏🏻🏆

[@thomashyde1950]

Thanks Jay, great stuff! Please consider adding a video with your head to head comparison between the Mizuno Pro 245 and Titleist T200 including the forgiveness heat map! Haven't see any club reviews with those two, and I will wager there are a bunch of mid to high handicappers that would love to see that. Appreciate your expertise!

[@lkae4]

Extremely close. Which makes sense because their overall designs are similar. I know there are many single digit golfers playing P790. 245 looks have the same potential.

[@emundy9668]

Thanks for this one. These are the irons I'm torn between. I'm leaning towards Mizuno more now, seeing there's not much between them for performance

[@jerrysmiley1084]

Glad to hear they are approaching game improvement irons. My game is not ready for game improvement irons just yet. Thanks Jay

[@bryansmith7490]

I have both sets with the same Dynamic Gold 105 S300 shaft. I prefer the 245s due to the look, feel, and sound, but you can’t go wrong with either set.

[@Ifishmo]

copper plating is usually due to chrome plating requirements (anything that is chrome plated is typically plated over copper or a copper/nickel....car bumpers, hub caps, chrome trinkets etc). Most likely the copper plating has nothing to do with the feel of the club, the plating is mere thousandths of an inch thick (0.005", or 0.12 mm). It's used for 'seeding' so that the other metals (nickel/chrome) will 'stick' to the surface, it's just part of the manufacturing requirements for plating with chrome.

[@omniwind]

Thank you for the video, I really appreciate the info about the feel of the club. I have been in flooring for 20 years and my hands just aren't what they used to be and I am looking for a soft feel with the power!

[@mariofonseca9267]

Jay loved the forgiveness table!!! Not sure if it’s s as new feature but so helpful to really understand the quantitative differences. On a different note…. I recently switched to the Titleist T150 hand the performance and feel of these irons are like nothing I’ve come across lately. And by now you know that I’ve tried them all. May I suggest that you review them. I looked on your library and couldn’t find a video on them. Best and very much appreciate your work and efforts.

[@AskGolfNut]

Would love to review them but Titliest haven't responded to my many attempts at contact, same with PXG. Shame really as I think there are a lot of people that would like me to give my honest analytical take on their clubs 🙈👍👍

[@mariofonseca9267]

@@AskGolfNut any local members of your channel who could lend you some 7 iron? I would ship them both to you if you were in the USA. The 0317 T doesn’t have the forgiveness of the T150. And it lacks in feel unless you absolutely middle it.

[@BruceOglevie]

Love the video! Currently have 6 thru GW P790. Have a strong feeling going to be getting the 245's later in the year

[@Aaron-vt6gh]

Love my 225s will hopefully hold on them them for a long time

[@AskGolfNut]

I'm a great fan of if its not broke don't fix it 🙂👍

[@kooijbas]

Another great video. Thanks. Those 245's look so tempting. Then again I really like my t300's and those are probably more fitting to my hcp (24).

[@333brooky]

thanks Jay good stuff as always

[@AskGolfNut]

Glad you enjoyed the video 👍🏻

[@iQsn]

Love my 245s! When I was testing these two, head weight was big for me and the p790 felt a tad too heavy for my liking.

[@melabshier5812]

You're results may vary.😜 My swing speed is significantly lower than yours. 72 years old. 12 handicap. I went for a fitting and hit 5 different iron heads. Tested with a 6 iron, swing speed average 72 mph. My results showed that the difference between the P790 v Pro 245's wasn't as tight as yours. With centre hits the two clubs were close to equal. When it came to off centre hits the P790's fell off a cliff. So, with my fitting I ended up with the P245's with LA golf A series 65 2 (A) flex shafts. For the record I also tried Ping, Titleist, and Srixon heads.

[@tonyt1020]

Looking at buying new clubs this next week or so. How do you feel the 245 compare to the Srixon zx5 mkII? The wide soles arent my favorite on the zx5s

[@FranciscoFRAO]

Really love the MP245! I decided to get fitted for a new set of club and would be awesome to test them and work for me!🤞

[@stuartrawlings9436]

looked forward to this one realy like the look of the 245 just not sure if i am good enough to play them played p790 for a while but found them them a little loud looking forward to trying the mizuno 245

[@AskGolfNut]

Well if you can play P790 you can absolutely play the Pro 245s 👍🏻👍🏻

[@douglasgardner4004]

Thanks for doing this comparison. Seems like a toss up on the 7 irons. I'm curious how the higher lofted irons feel and perform. I'd prefer a solid cavity back feel and performance in the 9 and PW. Not really a fan of doing blended iron sets. Really like the looks of the 245. The 245 or the PXG 0317T are the two that get my vote for best looking this year. Currently play Pro 223 and like those too so I'm just window shopping.

[@mrbloodmuffins]

I just went in for a club fitting this weekend and the MP 245s were the ones that worked best for me. They are being ordered with 2 degrees weaker loft to get the launch angle a bit higher.

[@AskGolfNut]

Are you from the UK? 👍🏻

[@mrbloodmuffins]

@@AskGolfNut USA

[@AskGolfNut]

Ok I only ask as there is a promo offer that Mizuno are running to their retail accounts that includes free wedges, I believe it's only available in the UK 🤷👍🏻

[@mrbloodmuffins]

@@AskGolfNut I appreciate that you asked.

[@mrbloodmuffins]

Update: I played a few rounds with my new Mizuno 245s and I have definitely gained 10 yards on each iron. So I am hitting 8s where I would hit 7 before or pitching wedges on shots that I would use 9 irons for previously.

[@waynestarr3759]

Hi Jay would like your thoughts on a new set of irons. About 6 months ago I did a Mizuno fitting which came out with JPX923 HMP S300 Shafts. I didn't hit the 225s in the fitting but really like the look of them. I'm 58 yrs old, driver swing speed around 105mph currently gaming JPX 825's. Handicap 9. Should I be looking at 225's or 245's or is there something else I should at least be looking at to take me into my early 60's (years) and maintain that handicap. Cheers

[@kevintrew2299]

Nice video Jay. So no real clear winner then. Love or hate TM, one thing that really isn’t debatable ,is that the P790 since its inception, has been the leader and one to beat in players distance irons. I’m no TM fan boy, I’m currently trying to decide between the latest APEX CB and Mizuno 243.

[@AskGolfNut]

With most to all clubs now within their class it's difficult to find a distinct winner over any other, they are all that good now. Bigger winner here though is the Pro 245 over the 225 as the P790 being honest outshone the 225, now the 245 actually marginally beats it 👍🏻

[@nathaniverson6828]

I love the 243. Almost got them but don’t sleep on srixon as well. Depending on your miss you might be surprised. I ended up in the z forge ii. Was amazed at how forgiving they were as a “blade” I was surprised and they feels as good as anything

[@uwrossl]

10:02 🤣😂 Glad that you did all that whacking off camera. LOL

[@davidbryce4704]

As a long time clubbuilder I can tell you the company with the most quality control issue's is Taylor Made. Mizuno are arguably the best iron's in all of golf!

[@stevejenkins845]

Great vid fancy trying a mizuno as I’m getting on now the 245 may be an option. Can they also be weakened ?

[@AskGolfNut]

Absolutely, they can be weakened up to 3 degrees I believe, any Forged head can bend 3 degrees in either lie or loft, so 2 degrees in one direction a 1 in the other etc, so if you wanted to weaken to say 243 lofts at 32 degrees fro 7 iron then you'll have 1 degree in lie adjustment also to hand 👍🏻

[@michaelocean4788]

I play blades as well. But hitting the same yardage with a 7 iron in a player distance iron vs a 5 iron with my blades has me intrigued. How's the distance control on a player distance iron? Can you hit an exact yardage? And can you tell how far the ball is going to go just from the feel off the face? These are things why I love blades.

[@AskGolfNut]

Dispersion patterns with the Players Distance 7 iron is similar to my 6 iron Blade. The shorter shaft gives advantage, but it's not the same dispersion as my Bladed 7 iron. Loft is always the biggest factor in dispersion. Feel wise it's good but not the same as the blade, the feedback given from the Blade is 10/10 but also on Winter days that same 10/10 can give people sore fingers on a poor strike 😊 Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍🏻

[@th6252]

Great review, but maybe you could have gone more into the sole designs as I think that’s the main thing that sets these 2 clubs apart as they are so close (performance wise) in every other aspect. The 790’s tend to have a wider sole with more bounce while the 245’s(and the majority of Mizuno irons in general) tend to have a thinner sole and less bounce. So I’m guessing turf interaction should be the biggest determining factor for those choosing between these two(aesthetics not withstanding).

[@AskGolfNut]

Interesting point, describe in detail for me if you can what you mean by turf interaction 👍🏻👍🏻

[@th6252]

@@AskGolfNut basically just one’s attack angle…like how some people tend to be ditch diggers(like myself) and others barely nip the grass. Like in wedges how there are different grinds (all stuff you already know as a pro lol), guess I didn’t do the greatest job of trying to bring my point across initially.

[@AskGolfNut]

@th6252 you did fine, it's just people have different understandings of turf interaction. True turf interaction happens after impaft so how a club interacts with the turf is done after the shot in question. Even when a player gets their low point wrong and hits behind the ball, with common shaft lean (delofting) into the ball the amount of bounce that is actually exposed to the turf is negligible at best and sometimes actually negative. So on this front also the bounce has little to no effect on any turf interaction. Dynamic lie has a much much greater effect on turf interaction and shot direction / curvature.... Hardly anything is ever really referenced about this parameter which is much more responsible for poor 'turf interaction' 👍🏻👍🏻

[@home4ya]

great review!! been waiting for this one, was able to hit 225 last week and LOVED it, 7i was 110mph ball speed, 15* launch, 3700spin, 157 carry and 174 total. dont think those # are "ideal", spin and launch bit too low Im guessing as Im a low left slinger? any shaft/flex and or ball suggestions as Im about to get the new 245s? (replacing my bulky 923Hm-HL)

[@AskGolfNut]

Being honest, a shaft can help launch and spin the ball a bit better but it's outside of the window that you need. To be able to get the flight you need to maximise carry and functional flight, you'd have to look at changing your action into impact 👍🏻

[@gary-gt-tsang]

What shaft did you use in the testing for each club?

[@freddiecontreras6089]

Thanks!

[@AskGolfNut]

Thanks so much Freddie, it is very very much appreciated and extremely kind 👍👍

[@rondarling751]

Why didn’t you move the pin to the middle of the green or pick a different hole? Really interesting. What does closure rate mean?

[@AskGolfNut]

Because its a bit of fun, because its KZbin so why not and mainly because in golf you won't have any control over where the Greens Staff places the Pin that day. Normally I would be aligning myself to be short left of the Pin in to more of the heart of the Green..... But its KZbin so no one wants to chicken out 🙂👍

[@rondarling751]

@@AskGolfNut that makes sense. Can you tell me what closure spin rate is?

[@ebenmarsh9880]

Apples to Apples. Why didn't you run the TM 770's against the 245's I think that would have made more sense?

[@AskGolfNut]

770's are considerable smaller in blade length and dimensions than the 245s. TM offer the P770s which not many other manufacturers offer their standard Players Distance iron in a smaller package. The 243 size wise is similar to the P770s but isn't a hollow bodied head. So that only leaves the P790 vs 245. P770s are also weaker lofted into the Players Cavity sector of lofts where the P790s are basically equally lofted 👍🏻

[@gagazzo82]

Don’t understand that some irons in a pro line are bulkier and supposed to be more forgiving than for example jpx tours.

[@lkae4]

What do you mean? The one category less forgiving than JPX Tour is blade.

[@KG-hg3je]

Which one would u say is easier to hit p790 or 245?

[@AskGolfNut]

I wouldn't say any of them are easier or harder to hit than each other being honest 👍🏻

[@RS4Ship]

I always thought the 245 was more like the p770?

[@AskGolfNut]

TM has an extra club within the players side extra to Mizuno so the P770 sits kind of in between the 245 and 243. The P790s head length is only 0.2mm different to that of the P790 and near on all other dimensions are very close, the P770 is more down the Pro 243 side of sizings but with the technology of the P790 👍🏻

[@andrewchoi9112]

Think it's a better comparison to put P770s with 245s

[@AskGolfNut]

P770s are the same size dimensions wise as 243. Has the same tech as the P790 but smaller head. The 245 and P790 are built under a similar aesthetic design, plus the P770 are much closer in loft to that to the 243. The P790 and 245 are lofted equally and are firmly in the Players Distance category 👍🏻

[@2sqnbandit379]

245 are incredible.

[@AskGolfNut]

The best and most forgiving Players Distance iron Mizuno have ever made 👍

[@2sqnbandit379]

@@AskGolfNut unreal, the 225 are just as good. So soft & incredibly forgiving. They go a long long way I find.

[@garyshaw2954]

Jay 245 or 530

[@AskGolfNut]

That's coming later this week Gary so you'll have to wait and see 😉😀👍

[@neoinarien]

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[@AskGolfNut]

Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks very much for the kind feedback 👍

[@gitchiemanito2408]

Mizuno 245 any day.

[@sloswingspeed9535]

Jay…lefts are because the 790 lie* probably 1-1.5* up vs 245…gotta neutralize lie* but hard to do without messing up the attachment mechanism

[@AskGolfNut]

Its only a very small amount around 4 to 5 yards or so, its not something i'd get too worried over but within a fitting absolutely i'd be neutralising lie to 0 to counter up and downhill lie variance.👍

[@sloswingspeed9535]

True…same shafts ?

[@AskGolfNut]

Marginally different but you know me and shaft requirements 🙂 it personally makes no difference to delivery for me, apart from a touch of lie angle deflection due to CG. But nothing more than a degree or so, so well within the tweaky of the shaft adapters. In a custom fitting absolutely you'd get these things ground down to as close to zero as possible as most amateurs variance is quite large so it needs to be either side of zero to reduce to dispersion and ground interaction potential 👍

[@sloswingspeed9535]

Thx.. I see significant dispersion at 1* lie change. Mizuno US is coming very close to hitting their loft/lie lasered on the toe. I measure all. I’m saying for reporting as much excellent swing data as you do, why not go 1 step further and hit the same shaft where possible, on every test head. Obviously not doable when you hit clubs from a ferruled early release set. I enjoy your technical comparisons. Thx much