I always enjoy your oil filter reviews. They're both entertaining and informative. Last fall I got sick with covid and spent 12 days in the hospital. To take my mind off of things I watched several of your videos. Doing so helped me reduce my stress and worry. I've made a full recovery. I enjoyed this Motorcraft comparison.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Hi Bob, Thank You! I'm going to pin your comment. Yours has got to be the best compliment I've ever received, I'm so happy I could help you out when you had that dreaded covid, and I'm glad you made a full recovery. My daughter got covid just before this New Year and she's still not 100% recovered. This dreaded disease has affected all of us in one way or another. Also glad you liked this Motorcraft video, and I hope you like all the future videos as well. Take Care and Thanks Again! You just made my day.👍😊
@bobyeager61042 жыл бұрын
@@WhipCityWrencher That's awesome!! You made my day as well. Last fall I had just started watching your videos about a week before I got hospitalized. The videos are enjoyable. They provided an escape for me mentally during this time. There's a style you have thats definetly unique and entertaining . Recovery does take time. I'll certainly keep your daughter and your family in my prayers as she continues to recover. Can't wait till the next video!
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
@@bobyeager6104 Thanks Bob, Take Care! 🙏
@appleimacdude2 жыл бұрын
Any relation to Jeffrey Alan Yeager?
@appleimacdude2 жыл бұрын
The oil in the coolant seems a result of the engine almost being overheated - gauge never reached hot, but clanging noise after that as I limped home - car ran great, was driven cold to the dealership - eventually had engine rebuilt since almost 200,000 on it, and it would be expensive to tear apart an old engine to try to track down where the oil was entering the coolant - occasionally.
@STREETFIGHTER502 жыл бұрын
Thank you for keeping us all updated on all these oil filter! I hate when companies cheap out
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
You're Welcome!👍
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
► Oil Filter Friday, watch a New Automotive oil filter inspection video every Friday on this KZbin Channel.
@davidfrank28242 жыл бұрын
All I know is that I have a 32-year-old F-150 4x4 with the 5.0 engine. All that's ever been used has been murdercraft parts. All up my Fords I use motorcraft parts. However they used to make the oil filter must have been a great design seeing that my 32-year-old truck still runs perfect can sit for 5 months and I can jump in it and start it right up. Once in awhile I might need a jump box the depending on the temperature. I really enjoying your videos. The first video I watch was the cleaning solutions for spark plugs and fuel injection. Ever since that video I watched the other parts and now I'm moving around looking at other postings you have up. I always make sure to give everybody a big thumbs up. I figured that's the least I can do since people are taking their time to share information. If I really like the format of the video that's when I hit subscribe. That's what I have done on your videos. I am looking forward to watch anymore of them.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Thank You, David!👍 I hope you enjoy watching all the future videos. Take care! PS, those Ford 302 are IMHO great engines.
@billz4822 жыл бұрын
I like to keep a good stock of these filters for my older Ford vehicles and thanks to your video I went out to my shop this morning to check what I had. Out of 24 filters , 18 were the older type with the bypass at the base. More and smaller flutes on the end of the older style is the tip-off and my preference. The remaining 6 are the newer type, which is fine, except on closer inspection, one is completely missing it’s bypass valve! Because of your excellent and timely video, I avoided installing this one obviously defective and totally ineffective filter on a vehicle. Thanks for all of your videos and especially this one! 👍🏻
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
You're Welcome! Glad it helped you out. Thanks for sharing!👍
@scotts.76622 жыл бұрын
Need that build date & to cut open & send us photo if you still have it
@billz4822 жыл бұрын
I no longer have the filter. I gave it to a friend who swapped it as defective, for a new one. I did however take pictures, but I don’t think I can post them here. The build date of the defective filter was 901182216 (January 18th, 2022). If you look at the dome end of the filter through the base threads, you should see the rivet that holds the bypass valve to the spring. If you don’t see it, then you’ll be looking straight through at the inside of the end shell. Obviously the bypass valve is missing. I can’t say I’ve ever ran into this before , but then how would I have known to even look? Though I prefer the earlier type, I think these are still decent filters and I’ll continue to use them, but checking them from now on.
@appleimacdude2 жыл бұрын
I would demand an explanation about that defective filter - that could have been a major problem -
@faxmen09 Жыл бұрын
New Motorcraft looks fine to me. Also has more media area and pleats than the old, a positive. Dome or base end, both serve the purpose. Fact is vast majority of oil filters including the OEMs use dome end bypass, their engineers must have concluded bypass location, insignificant. Both are made by Purolator, but any changes would have to be signed off on by FoMoCo. In short, If I used the FL1A I'd continue to use them. Price is right. Thanks for video.
@ew1usnr22 күн бұрын
This video was made in 2022, and you bought an FL-1A filter for $3.97 at Walmart (0:18). Flash forward to 2024, and Walmart sells a two-pack of FL-1A filters for $27.99 ($13.99 each). AutoZone sells a FL-1A filter for $14.99. For the Walmart filter, that is a 250% price increase over two years or 125% per year for the past two years. Am I the only one that is noticing this?
@WhipCityWrencher22 күн бұрын
Yep, this video was made on May 13th, 2022. Boy have prices gone up since then.😖
@gsmeyersaz Жыл бұрын
Being a long-time Bronco II owner, I have always used Motorcraft oil filters (FL-1A). I think they are the best oil filter for the money. In spite of there small change, I'm going to continue using the FL-1A. I enjoyed your video! Keep up the good work!
@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын
Thank You👍
@WaterBearOfficial2 жыл бұрын
Looks like an improvement. More surface area on the filter media and longer over all length. Definitely prefer motorcraft over other brands. Also a fan of wix and purolator.
@Shovelhead-Greg2 жыл бұрын
purolator is the oem for motorcraft
@SebastianWoodard2 жыл бұрын
I'm running an STP cuz that's all I could get at the moment for my ford, but IDK much about motorcraft. I typically run Mobil1 filters or Wix filters
@justinfoxbody2 жыл бұрын
Mann+Hummel owns wix and Purolator and make oem filters for Ford Motorcraft
@GF_Burke4 ай бұрын
Saw your new vid pop up. Scrolled down to see if there was an FL1A vid lol. My 79 F150 4x4 600 likes them. Always has.
@jasonreid13322 жыл бұрын
Re-engineering due to cost savings has been going on for years and will continue. As consumers it's our job to be diligent and make sure our biased favorites do not change significantly. Which is where your show comes in. You are keeping us informed. Thanks for all that you do!
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Your Welcome Jason, and Thank You!
@jasonreid13322 жыл бұрын
@@WhipCityWrencher I have four brand new filters and one used one that will be heading your way next week. They are unusual brands. You gave me your address in Jan/Feb.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
@@jasonreid1332 Sounds good Jason👍, It will be a while before I can get them all on as I'm into July with videos already made. But sure send them my way.😊
@lordnetsplits31922 жыл бұрын
Corporations require that they beat their previous year earnings so they do dumb stuff like this. Cut quality but sell at same or higher prices.
@MrTheHillfolk2 жыл бұрын
Not a surprise, you can't pick up anything anymore without being suspect of it not being as good as it used to be.
@Antonyg21002 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid! I just noticed this the other day with the FL820s filters
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Your Welcome Tony, I didn't know for sure if they were going to change the other ones too, but it looks that way now. Thanks for sharing about the FL820S filter👍👍
@dogphlap67492 жыл бұрын
The newer filter has a little more surface area of the same filter media which for me means that filter is a small improvement over the previous version. I appreciate you pulling these apart to lay bare the ways of the filter manufacturers. Best regards.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
You're Welcome and Thank You!
@ajwillett73022 жыл бұрын
I work at a ford dealer and the fl 500s, fl 910s, and fl 400s, to name a few have changed to the new design. The other filters have changed design also.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@dzrdr652 жыл бұрын
placement of the bypass is dependent on placement of the filter. If it hang's vertical old design is better since it is not bypassing in a contaminated area of filter, if it is side way's dosent matter. Heavy contaminants go to the low side of the filter. But I agree with you the older version would be my choice also.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Yep, on my vehicle, this filter mounts vertically. This is a pretty big filter so I assume it mounts vertically on most applications. Thanks for your feedback!
@bcubed722 жыл бұрын
Horizontal on the Ford 300 inline 6. Lack of prefill doesn't seem to hurt it any, though, as that engines has a reputation for longevity.
@dzrdr652 жыл бұрын
Had a couple of the 300's in the fleet. At idle I swear the oil pressure gage drew a vacuum reading for the last 150000 of it's life but 40lbs going down the road. Change the oil and do not let them overheat too bad and that engine is good for 300 or 350 tho miles. But got better economy out of the 351. Mounted vertical on a lot of the older engines.
@mattfarahsmillionmilelexus2 жыл бұрын
I use the Motorcraft FL-1A filters on my Fords unless Wally World is out of them, in which case I use the Purolator, like I just did yesterday on one of the Mustangs. Both are quite good, and the new Motorcraft filter doesn't look to have any significant difference in performance to the near-identical older version.
@ravenbonanza15222 жыл бұрын
Without a doubt, I will use both. As long as it's USA made.
@michaelbenoit2482 жыл бұрын
For my truck I always use Genuine Motorcraft or Mobil 1. It’s OEM designed to be used for the vehicle. Anything but a wix.
@BamaTidefan19672 жыл бұрын
@@michaelbenoit248 Wix is made in China now unfortunately.
@ajmedeiros772 жыл бұрын
@@michaelbenoit248 why not Wix?
@Gary7even2 жыл бұрын
So far, the FL500-S survived the "update" still having an upper bypass valve. Flutes on the can seemed to be the only change.
@low87dawg862 жыл бұрын
Fl500s gang
@j.t.cooper29632 жыл бұрын
I wasn't a big fan of them thinning out the can. I liked the old can much better.I don't like the changing the location of the by-pass valve either. I'm glad I don't have my old 302 anymore because I would have to find something else to use.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@j.t.cooper29632 жыл бұрын
@@WhipCityWrencher Thanks for the videos, keeps me from having to look inside of them myself.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
@@j.t.cooper2963 Your Welcome J.T.
@cskiles31810 ай бұрын
This popped up I’m Gonna watch it 👍
@WhipCityWrencher10 ай бұрын
Thanks, Christina👍
@ajmedeiros772 жыл бұрын
Penny pinching bean counters most likely just like most companies now a days. At least it’s still better than ac Delco and mopar. I use the purolator boss or fram ultra, so far so good
@jdwht2455 Жыл бұрын
I just caught this video. Thanks for the info. Looks as though my love affair with Motorcraft oil filters will be coming to an end. I've used them for a long time including on my various pushrod and OHC V8s and a couple I6s plus 6.7 diesels and now on my 3.5 Eco. NAPA will sell me WIX filters all day but they do tend to be a bit costly in comparison though but a heluva lot less then a new Eco motor
@mikekokomomike2 жыл бұрын
Everything today is a cost savings measure. I am arm wrestling my cat 🐈 for a can of food.
@JAMESYBOY.2 жыл бұрын
Why would you eat the cat's food 😐 Buy your own food
@francomtz71152 жыл бұрын
@@JAMESYBOY. he does buy food for both butt times are hard
@harryballsacky2 жыл бұрын
WHO WON...?
@cjr18812 жыл бұрын
They gave you more filter and yet you guys still seem to complain.
@alexb.13202 жыл бұрын
Just throwing this in as a reference, the Motorcraft FL-12A, date code from 2017 (General Motors PF1218 equivalent), has the same can style as this new FL1A. Cost savings no doubt, probably cheaper to make the end cap bypass than continue to make and replace tooling as needed for the end cap bypass, and to make the replacement dies for that tight crimp style of the older fl1a. Probably also less wear and tear on the dies to make the new/old style gm can flats.
@richardnalbandian95722 жыл бұрын
Like the old Motorcraft oil filter better because the bypass valve is on the top
@billyhw549210 ай бұрын
Wow, one and a half threads, so generous!
@mickjager5974 Жыл бұрын
Y'all may know this already but the same company makes a lot of different brands of filters in the same factory. I have a friend that used to work in a Purolator factory in Fayetteville NC back in the mid 90s. And they made motocraft filters at that time. He also said at that time the ones Ford dealers sold were better than the ones sold in parts stores. Be interesting to compare now to see what differences, if any, exist.
@mickjager5974 Жыл бұрын
I'm guessing the change in the filter might be to reduce the difference between various filters both within brands and between brands. I'll try to ask my friend what the difference was between the store and dealer filters was and let you know.
@99SVT2 жыл бұрын
I’d like to see you go to your local ford dealer and compare their filter with the Walmart filter.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
It would be the same thing unless they have some old stock.
@FlatLineRacing46502 жыл бұрын
I have always used Motorcraft or Fram from the time I was 14-15 years old till the present of 46 years old. Never had a problem with either filter. Now with what I have seen in this video my personal opinion the old Motorcraft filter is built better. This is the first time watching your videos and it is great you are taking your time to show the good and the bad of filters. I would imagine you have a test on Fram filters so I'm going to search your page. Good stuff keep up the good work.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Mike, I've made mostly Fram Ultra oil filter comparisons.
@FlatLineRacing46502 жыл бұрын
@@WhipCityWrencher I will definitely check that out. I'm curious to see a standard PH series Fram up against a comparable filter. 👍🏁👍🏁
@goracegoa18082 жыл бұрын
Old filter media has a 242 inch squares area and new one is 255 inch square so 13 squares inches extra for the new one
@jeffruebens83552 жыл бұрын
I like the new Maverick truck, but Ford does seem to have a lot of quality issues lately, especially leaks
@johnqpublic29492 жыл бұрын
Yep what ever happened to Quality #1 at Ford. Watch 'Ford Boss Me' videos at the dealership .Some real low quality stuff they are selling these days for extravagant prices..No wonder Honda and Toyota are taking such a big piece of the American market..They better hold on to the top spot with the F150 , because just Mustang sales won't carry them for long...Motorcraft oil filters has had some thin threads causing leak issues lately...Any range of the Purolators blows them away these days... IMHO
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback!
@roypribble22332 жыл бұрын
@@johnqpublic2949 p l
@jamescaron6465 Жыл бұрын
Looks like Ford made a cost cutting decision. Thinner can and change in bypass valve. I like the upper bpv too. Looks like a Mann and Hummel bpv on the new one.
@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын
Yep, I wonder if the other sizes will end up this way?
@wheelsone61802 жыл бұрын
New ones are too restrictive. 7.3l takes an FL1995 new MC # FL-1995-A. After I changed my oil & oil filter from old to new filter I started having serious issues. After highway or driving kind of hard when coming to a stop my truck would rough idle & when light turned green & I stepped on the gas pedal truck would shut off. Almost got rear ended. Thankfully most of the stalls were in driveway after revving up the motor to try & pin point the issue. And once coning out of driveway. Thank the Lord it didn’t happen crossing traffic. Always had a feeling it was the filter but of course I changed our cps twice, fuel filter, fuel pump & ignition switch. Spent probably $500, finally swapped out oil filter to a Wix. Issue hasn’t happened simce. When I tool off “New” FL-1995-A it literally probably didn’t have but an 1/8 of a qrt of oil in the whole filter. They hold a full qrt. So at low in town speeds or putting around it was kind of ok but get on it or highway it wasn’t getting the proper amount if oil. If you know about the 7.3l when the oil is too low or it’s not getting enough oil, the motor has a safety mechanism that will shut down the motor to save it. And during hwy & after the motor ran rough like it was dry or needed another oil change. IMO Stay away from the new garbage Motorcraft filters. I always used Motorcraft filters, never again.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, but that's strange because the Motorcraft is an OEM oil filter for your truck, and I'm sure there are lots of other people using this oil filter for their 7.3L with no problems. If your truck is under warranty I'd have Ford take a look at your engine, I suspect you may have another problem.
@wheelsone61802 жыл бұрын
@@WhipCityWrencher It's a 2000 so no warranty. Motorcraft may be OEM which is all I used to run. But IMO for the 7.3l FL-1995 filter there is zero reasons for the change. I ran through and replaced the other issue it may have been and always suspected the new filter and when i swapped out to a Wix the issues no longer existed? The fact that there was almost no oil in the Motorcraft filter when I pulled it off was enough to scratch my head. So it's either the new bypass being too restrictive or I got a defective filter and there's quality control issues. They are pushing electric and supposedly a oil shortage. So who knows. Where's the new filter made, I didn't look.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
@@wheelsone6180 Pushing electric but they need the infrastructure first. The lines on the telephone poles would fry up if everyone went electric and started charging up their EV's. Also, the economy is pretty messed up right now, the whole world is messed up right now. It will take some time before we get back to any normalcy. Take care!
@stevenwright2482 жыл бұрын
Another great video Whip!! Take Care and enjoy your weekend Sir! Stay Safe!
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Steven! Have a great weekend also!
@pjames44132 жыл бұрын
looks like they reduced costs by using a thinner canister, and a cheaper type of bypass.
@vonJaerschky2 жыл бұрын
Just put a new FL1A on my 91 Jeep Cherokee 4.0. never noticed if it was old or new. I'll have to have a look under the hood tomorrow. Very interesting video!
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I want to point out that the flutes alone may not tell you which filter you have. I've opened a couple FL820S and it didn't seem to matter.
@frankjaerschky89022 жыл бұрын
@@WhipCityWrencher Date code on mine is 11/30/21 and it's the old style. More flutes and bypass at the base. I bought a couple at the same time and the date code is the same on the one in the box as the one I put on the Jeep.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
@@frankjaerschky8902 Yep, I forgot about checking the date code also. Thanks for sharing!👍
@ellalamont69432 жыл бұрын
Yes, Thanks to Wayne you did a nice comparison on these two filters! Guess we can't ask oo much for that low price.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
You got that right! Thanks Ella!
@ellalamont69432 жыл бұрын
@@WhipCityWrencher, You're Welcome! Have a Great Weekend! 🙂
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
@@ellalamont6943 You Too!😊
@ellalamont69432 жыл бұрын
@@WhipCityWrencher Thanks! 😊
@scottymoondogjakubin47662 жыл бұрын
Definitely some cost cutting going on there ! 1 million oil filters - 1 gram of steel = 2,204 lbs of steel saved !
@Fransais2 жыл бұрын
I always put the FL1A on my 97 Explorer. I get them at Walmart
@johnqpublic29492 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately they eliminate the best thing about the filter was the upper bypass valve that didn't allow the dirty oil to recirculatie through the engine...The FL-1A isn't used that much anymore except for older V8's , I wonder if they did this to the Fl-820S and other more popular Motorcraft filters used today! Great videos by "WCW" as usual, The only thing he doesn't tell you is the brand of paint used on the cans.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, John, I wonder if the other filters will change also? Time will tell.
@faxmen092 жыл бұрын
That's not entirely correct. Even with base end bypass, unfiltered(dirty) oil still bypasses in a bypass event. ALL bypasses work that way regardless of location. In theory' the base bypass doesn't allow the dirty oil to pass over the pleats when in bypass. However, bypass events have been shown to be rare and of very short duration. Dome bypass used in majority oil filters including the OEMs. It will be Ford's call whether other applications follow the FL1A.
@fairbanksbrian2 жыл бұрын
In addition to where it was originally specified, this fitment gets used as an extra capacity (longer) version of a more common filter where there is room. For example, the standard Wix filter for my Jeep 4.0L is a Wix 51085, but the Wix 51515 is 1-3/8" longer and fits perfectly allowing for more filter media. The Wix 51515 cross references to this Motorcraft FL-1A.
@Greatdome992 жыл бұрын
While it's easy to weight and measure dimensions, the most important is pressure drop ('delta P'). The cannister is lightly loaded and operated at very low pressures (60psi?), so structural comments don't matter much, either.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but it's nice to see what's inside of them and how they are made. Manufactures keep changing them constantly trying to save a few bucks.
@kenj.88972 жыл бұрын
Thanks whip , from what I hear from Ford Boss Me is motorcraft is having problems with their threads lately. Hard to feel confident in their quality . I'm sticking with the Fram XG myself.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
You're Welcome! Yep, It would be nice to have a couple of more threads on the base plate.
@faxmen092 жыл бұрын
And yet, Ford (no) Boss (to) Me still uses them in his shop work. Ironic. Like any filter, where possible always inspect filter before purchase. Btw, Fram Ultra media has been cheapened. No longer 2 PLY FULL synthetic media. Now Ultra has a synthetic layer backed by a blended media. Those are facts, not tripe Ford no Boss to Me puts out.
@mikekokomomike2 жыл бұрын
I had a FL-500 leak on a Lincoln 3.7 . Never had a filter leak before, my brother took it off replaced it before I could see the threads. Always installed filters the same way, gasket touched and got tight about 3/4 turn by hand. Either the threads gave out from vibration or the thread had burrs that made it feel tight or base contacted when it didn't. FL 500 hard to get here now.
@kenj.88972 жыл бұрын
@@faxmen09 I'm aware of the changes at Fran made. I don't need a wire back filter. I just need media that won't tear and is better than 30 micron.
@faxmen092 жыл бұрын
@@kenj.8897 There's lots of filters out there besides the cheapened Ultra that will meet that criteria. Fyi, wire backing used because the use of 2 ply FULL synthetic media, needed for support.
@PTucker086422 күн бұрын
I don't like the idea of glue in my oil. 2015 F-150 Platinum 5.0. The filter is horizontal, so the fact that the bypass valve is at the top probably makes no difference. I need to find something that doesn't get glue in the oil.
@WhipCityWrencher22 күн бұрын
I like the Purolator Boss oil filters, that's what I use these days. The Boss filter uses a hard cream-colored glue that doesn't peel off when used. Here's a link to the one for your vehicle. Have a good day👍kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipK9dZV-iNpmeck
@mec75682 жыл бұрын
Now I have to go out an buy a new filter socket with the change in the case ends. The new FL820s is the same.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@mickjager5974 Жыл бұрын
Why'd you switch to non metric for width measurement? Just askin' for a friend....haha!
@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын
I've always measured the width in inches, makes it easier to figure out the square inches of filter media.
@tommypistols81042 жыл бұрын
That’s the Ford legendary oil filter. Ford started using them on V8 and I6 since in the 1950’s all the way through the mid 1990’s. It was even used on Pinto I4 engines as well as some V6 cologne engine.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Yep, it fits my 97 Explorer. Thanks for sharing!👍
@poppie19462 жыл бұрын
I used the FL 1A filters on my Ford 4600 SU, 5000 & 6700 Diesel tractors back in the day in place of the short stubby the dealers sold, never had an issue with them in over 10,000 total hours , wish they still used them on my new 2021 F-150 with the 5.0 V8 instead of the 500S.
@trevagraham16052 жыл бұрын
@Tommy Pistols Yep my 93 Ranger with the 2.3 Lima uses it. That motor was derived from the Pinto as I'm sure you already know.
@TheBandit76132 жыл бұрын
And the Jeep 4.0
@AKJeeper2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBandit7613 Also fits on my Jeep 2.8L CRD. :)
@steveashworth67072 жыл бұрын
Good job!, the newer filter might also accommodate synthetic oil better!, just a thought!.
@Krankie_V2 жыл бұрын
I don't think there's any reason to be so concerned about the number of threads. It's only hand tight. Adding more threads won't really offer any advantage. It's not gonna strip out the way it is, and more threads probably won't make it hold any better. If it were a high torque application I'd agree that more threads are better though.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
I'm not really concerned and not a deal breaker, just pointing it out. Heck, even Walmarts Supertech oil filters have more threads. Thanks for your feedback!
@appleimacdude2 жыл бұрын
Again, I want the margin of safety. Why have such a cheap looking threaded area? My thoughts would be - gee you can't afford a couple more threads?
@Krankie_V2 жыл бұрын
@@appleimacdude extra threads won't do anything. There's already a huge margin of safety because it's only hand tight. Those couple threads will hold a lot more than that oil filter will ever experience. It's a complete non issue.
@stagggerlee2 жыл бұрын
Possible counterfeit? Motor craft spark plugs have been found to be counterfeits. But if you a couple million dimes, it adds up...
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I've heard of counterfeit Motorcraft parts. But I don't think that's the case here. FordTechMakuloco has a video on the subject.kzbin.info/www/bejne/haGne4F6l5uVb6M&ab_channel=FordTechMakuloco Thanks for your feedback!
@daewooparts2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes the threads are totally missing or very poor on some of the newer MotorCraft FL500 filters too 🤣
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Yep, not a good thing.
@mikekokomomike2 жыл бұрын
I replied to this earlier, had a FL 500 start leaking after a few months and I know it was installed right. My brother swapped it out before I could look at it and FL 500 hard to find here now.
@mcf37782 жыл бұрын
@@mikekokomomike same here it seems like all the filters that fit both 3.5 ecoboosts are never in stock i havent seen a mc filter in months or M1.... ill jump between fram and mobil 1 and i just had a fl500 delivered from summit racing since i needed more items for free shipping.... i think summit said something like 5 in stock
@speedy_pit_stop2 жыл бұрын
I've seen in a video how Walmart is forcing suppliers to find ways to make their products cheaper. In other words, they explained that brand names sold via Walmart are not always the exact same as the original products. I don't know where that video is now.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Hi Gina, If you happen to find that video please post a link to it. Thank You!
@SgtPnkks Жыл бұрын
This is a half truth built on a misunderstanding If it's the same upc/model it will be the same as if you bought it from anywhere else However some things are walmart specific and these will have a Walmart specific model number and upc Same with black Friday specific items (for example look at the laptops and see that some will have a "bf" in the model number indicating a special black Friday production run) And people love to bring up tires... Yes the models regularly stocked in store are walmart specific, but they are also a model specific to walmart, you buy a goodyear reliant and you are getting a Walmart tire, but if you order a goodyear assurance maxlife from Walmart it is the same tire you would get from discount tire, pep boys, Jeff's local boy tire shop, etc
@fulltimeshred2 жыл бұрын
Lately I've been using the Fram ultra synthetic filter, seems to have more media and offer better filtration. It also seems to hold a bit more oil in comparison. My oil change took about 7 qts as opposed to the usual 6.5. Engine is running like a top and currently running royal purple 5w30. Might switch back to the Motorcraft in the future, but for a few extra bucks I don't mind a filter that offers more protection for my high mileage 2v 4.6. I depend on my truck in all conditions and try my best to treat it right.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@ironeagle25262 жыл бұрын
Like everything else in the world today make it cheaper to keep the same price point I would rather pay a dollar more for the old style shame on them for going cheaper on such a vital part of the engine
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
I'm the same way, I'd rather pay a dollar or two more and still get the same good product. Thanks for your feedback!👍
@appleimacdude2 жыл бұрын
YES!
@josephm82942 жыл бұрын
I have no problem buying older oil filters as long as the sealing gasket isn't brittle and cracked. I wrap my older ones in plastic after lubing them for storage. = stubborn older person with high standards = me.
@davidtate166 Жыл бұрын
Those filters fit on my Ford ton truck 1979.
@geraldscott43022 жыл бұрын
I have a 1972 Ford Pinto and a 1964 Ford Fairlane that both use the FL1A filters. I have about 20 of them in stock, bought at least 3 years ago. I also have a 2006 Ford Crown Vic that uses the FL-820S filter. I've owned that car for the past 6 years, and recently changed the filter on it. I don't know if they have changed the inside, but the flutes are still the same. On the Crown Vic it is virtually impossible to remove/install the filter without a METAL socket type filter wrench that fits on a 3/8" drive socket. They is simply no room to get to it with a strap type wrench. PLASTIC filter sockets are completely worthless, they just bend and slip. Maybe I should buy about 20 filters for that car before they change the flute design. I change the oil and filter on it every 3000 miles.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@crazymaze932 жыл бұрын
You can get a band wrench on the oil filter on that Crown Vic. Turn the wheels all the way to the left to get the steering linkage "tie rods" in position so its possible to do, and using 2 hands, slip the band wrench on handle down and use 1 hand "left hand" on the handle and the other hand push the pinch point firm with your right hand "I use my thumb" to create a tight fit that wont slip and pull down. I did this in the Quick Lube industry for years. but you only have about 2 inches of movement.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
@@crazymaze93 Great Tip! Thanks for sharing!👍
@save16thave2 жыл бұрын
That's a nice car collection you have. You're living the dream, man!
@drumtwo4seven2 жыл бұрын
Interesting... hard to say on this one. More filter media on the newer version vs the better bypass valve on the older version. Which ultimately is better? I dunno. Food for thought 🤔. I'll trust your opinion on this one and go with the older one. Nice 👍
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback!
@BKD702 жыл бұрын
If there is so much debris in the filter that the filter is bypassing flow, then you've already got a big problem... Or.... it's REALLY REALLY REALLY cold outside and you're running 20W50.
@faxmen09 Жыл бұрын
@@BKD70 You sir, know of what you speak. 👍Practically speaking, bypass location makes no significant difference. Best evidence shows bypass events are very infrequent and of very short duration when they do happen. It's true that moving the bypass from base to dome likely a cost saving measure. That said, functionally speaking, no difference. Thanks for setting the record straight.
@CoberRuger2 жыл бұрын
Cool
@timothydeyoung56532 жыл бұрын
I wonder if road debris could pierce the metal side of the filter
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
I guess it all depends on where your filter is mounted? If given the right conditions it could probably happen. But I think it would be extremely rare.
@planejet422 жыл бұрын
My 1972 Ford F100 with a 302 takes the FL-1A filter. I have an unused vintage one I’d be happy to send you to see how it compares. I likely won’t use it in my truck due to its age.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
How old is it?
@planejet422 жыл бұрын
@@WhipCityWrencher It’s has a code of 904279221. 1979?
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
@@planejet42 To get the date on Motorcraft oil filters, you take out the first number and the next six numbers are the date. So yours would be April 27th, 1992. I don't know if they've changed since then. Look inside with a flashlight, does it have the base end bypass valve and does it have louvers? Are the inlet holes the same? If it looks the same as the one in this video no sense in opening it up. Let me know what you find out. Thanks!
@davidpowell33472 жыл бұрын
Lighter can= less tolerant of high pressure that might develop in cold weather with thick old fashioned high viscosity oil,should not be a problem with the newer "synthetic" 5w-30 or lower vis (like 0w-20)
@WaybackTECH2 жыл бұрын
Looks like the same thing that is sold as a Quaker State, but with Motorcraft on the label with the added cost at the store. I am sure that change to the bypass is simply cost cutting only.
@CreatingExcellence8 ай бұрын
Is there yet another new manufacture of Motocraft oil filters? I recently switched to Motocraft from Walmart but they are $8+. I keep seeing all these not too old videos where they were under $4. How can they be more than double in a year?
@WhipCityWrencher8 ай бұрын
They did, they went up $$ fast. Same manufacture.
@clydeespinosa62862 жыл бұрын
Thanks it looks like a red can purolator
@jamessowards38222 жыл бұрын
The steel is thinner on the new filter but it could possibly be a higher strength steel than before. If not then engineering studies might have determined that the added thickness was not required. I don't ever recall a filter bursting because of oil pressure.
@goracegoa18082 жыл бұрын
I think a really thin can could take a alot of oil + pressure but very bad at taking - pressure
@jamessowards38222 жыл бұрын
@@goracegoa1808 very true but it should never be in a vaccum.
@goracegoa18082 жыл бұрын
@@jamessowards3822 if filter is dirty and by pass is to mutch
@timbur27112 жыл бұрын
I remember getting a fl1a years ago that had a silicone anti drain back valve
@faxmen092 жыл бұрын
Not doubting you, but personally never seen a silicone adbv on the FL1A. Only nitrile.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
It must have been quite a while ago, Ive never seen one. Thanks for sharing!
@save16thave2 жыл бұрын
I've seen that before, too. Years ago. It was a red anti drain back valve.
@faxmen092 жыл бұрын
The FL1A may have had a silicone adbv a some time, but as noted, it has used nitrile for quite awhile now.
@pat89882 жыл бұрын
I can't help but wonder if the Walmart purchased filter reviewed here is different from one purchased elsewhere. I've seen that many brand name items that I've bought at Walmart are different from the same item purchased somewhere else. That is how they can sell an apparently identical item for less than other stores. It costs less because it's made more cheaply. For example, "Foster Farms Wyngz" (chicken) from Walmart has chicken pieces that are about ½ the size of the exact same product purchased from a local chain grocery store. Also, things like bathroom faucets from Walmart (and Home Depot) are of cheaper construction than those bought from a regular hardware store. And you can't tell the difference unless you compare them side by side. Something to keep in mind...
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Hi Pat, I'm pretty sure that isn't the case here. For as long as I can remember Motorcraft oil filters have always been on the inexpensive side, compared to other oil filters. Time will tell if they all change over, I've heard of other size Motorcraft filters showing up that are made with the changed bypass valve. Thanks for your feedback!
@vrm86gt2 жыл бұрын
these FL-1A are going for $10 around here now!
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
They're no longer in stock at my Walmart but you can still order them for $3.97.www.walmart.com/ip/Motorcraft-Original-Equipment-Oil-Filter/16817359
@Iowa5992 жыл бұрын
I vote: new, because more filter area A bypass valve should only be used once, right before the filter is changed.
@kellismith4329 Жыл бұрын
I agree, if you change the oil/filter frequently, the bypass should never enter the equation
@fairbanksbrian2 жыл бұрын
The end-cap end bypass was really the only thing that separated the Motorcraft from other similar quality filters. The change seems like a poor marketing decision on Ford's part. That may not be an issue in warm climates, but in the Frozen North, bypass at startup is likely a whole lot more common. In a vertical mounting, like on the Explorer, it would seem like gravity would settle some particles in the dome end over time, exactly where you wouldn't want bypass oil to come from. Is it common to see a Parker anti-drainback valve on a non Parker-Hannifin (Baldwin/Hastings) filter?
@johnqpublic29492 жыл бұрын
Well Said!!! ...The Purolators brand " 5000 " mile filter is close to the same price at the Menards here in Missouri. And is literally the same or maybe even better than the Motorcraft is now with the standard dome mounted bypass...'WCW' has disected a number of different types of Purolators and all were quality made. Only thing as many USA made filters have shown, they need better calibration on the glue nozzles, as excess is common, that's the only problem I've seen on any of the Purolators.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, the Motorcraft base plate bypass valve (IMHO) makes them slightly better than most other filters in that price range. It certainly isn't the micron rating.
@brianleeper57372 жыл бұрын
Those Parker anti-drainback valves are used on many oil filters, I've seen them on Fram filters as well.
@faxmen092 жыл бұрын
Vast majority folks buying Motorcraft oil filters will never know much less care about the change in location of the bypass. They buy a name and that hasn't changed. Move to dome bypass much ado about nothing. Even north of the border bypass events rare and when they do happen short duration. If it's big deal, find another brand for $4 that uses dome bypass, and made in the US. Good luck with that!
@HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP2 жыл бұрын
No punched holes, no dimples saves two manufacturing processes. less tooling. Thinner walled can isn't safe, I don't care what some half baked research says. Different flutes- now fit wrenches easier. Why don't all engine designers make the oil filter like the European type? Under the hood, a plastic covering you unscrew, with changeable O-ring with filter media on a frame, that switches out easy & clean. This remote can design are such an ancient design of wasted steel.
@dethangelishere3942 жыл бұрын
i wish you would've said why you like that old design bypass valve better. i dont see a problem in either one. seems that the new one will filter more oil since it has more media.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
If you have a base-end bypass valve and the bypass valve happens to open for whatever reason the oil will flow from the top directly into your engine. If the bypass valve is at the dome end and the bypass valve opens the oil has to flow from the top to the bottom and could pick up particles of dirt on the way. It's not a deal breaker, I just think the base-end bypass valve is better.
@l.a.raustadt5182 жыл бұрын
Hmm I do use that filter and did not know the difference . I change every 3k anyway.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@appleimacdude2 жыл бұрын
I am concerned about the thinness of the housing of the new oil filter - drive a 99 Mustang six, had engine rebuilt at 200,000, accidentally almost overheated it trying to limp home with a bandaged radiator hose - hose blew again right next to the bandage - started getting oil in the coolant occasionally. I am afraid something would hit the oil filter from the road, and rupture that thin crappy case. Also, am very concerned that the oil drain back valve be as effective as practical.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
The housing should be fine, there are a lot of other filters being made with about the same can thickness.
@XA-JJKILLERs2 жыл бұрын
If your hitting the can with stuff your already in truble
@pat89882 жыл бұрын
If you're getting oil in the coolant, then you have a problem that the oil filter won't fix or affect. I'd be worried...
@paulbruno83272 жыл бұрын
More filter media equals better performance
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but they could have done with added pleats without changing the bypass valve.
@dontderockmerizz32112 жыл бұрын
Upper bypass is better than down below. Must be made by different company. I think the old one is made by purolator.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
I still think they are made by Purolator, the Pure One and the Boss also have this same dome end bypass valve.
@youngb1ood2 жыл бұрын
Time to pick these old ones up quick if still available
@johnl30132 жыл бұрын
I hope Ford don't change the bypass valve location on all of their oil filters, upper bypass is better. Good video, thanks!
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
You're Welcome! Thanks!
@dethangelishere3942 жыл бұрын
explain to me why the "upper bypass" is better. i dont believe it matters.
@faxmen092 жыл бұрын
@@dethangelishere394 In theory base end bypass doesn't allow the dirty oil to pass over the dirty side pleating in a bypass event. So, less dirt particles returned to engine. But, most bypass events are rare and short duration. Most oil filters including OEM use dome bypass. Practically speaking, I agree with your conclusion.
@roadsidecamper2 жыл бұрын
I know the FL1A's disappeared for about a year from the Walmart's around here. This might be why.
@rtbdmd2 жыл бұрын
How critical is the bypass valve vs the additional filter media? I think I'd rather have the additional pleats.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob, I appreciate your comment. Someone else mentioned they would rather have the additional pleats also. I just have to say this filter already has double and even triple the filter media than most other oil filters have. I would rather have the base-end bypass valve, as this is what has made it a Motorcraft oil filter.
@appleimacdude2 жыл бұрын
I would say the bypass valve is critical - if it doesn't work, and you need it - the filter clogs for example - your engine is toast.
@BKD702 жыл бұрын
@@appleimacdude If the filter clogs for any reason.... your engine is probably toast before the filter ever started to bypass. Think about it...
@davidtate166 Жыл бұрын
Will the fram endurance 3600fram oil filter be better than the fl400 for my f150 ford 2002 pick up. 🤔
@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын
I would say so, it has a metal screen backing and a better micron rating.
@eliteman76856 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t use a fram for anything aside from a crushed door stop!
@skidoorulz49142 жыл бұрын
12 minutes and 40 seconds later I am sitting here trying to figure out your point. What is the micron filtration?
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
80% at 20 microns. 7:46 on the video.
@skidoorulz49142 жыл бұрын
@@WhipCityWrencher Must have dozed off
@jordanwaughtal76492 жыл бұрын
I wonder which flows oil better?
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
I'd say they're probably the same. The new one has about 12 extra sq. in. but I wouldn't think that would do much either way.
@johnstrauss80612 жыл бұрын
I don't see the problem. The bypass valve only comes into play if the filter media becomes impassible. Who lets their filters go that long? I sure don't so I think this is largely a non-issue for 99% of users. They still beat the crap out of that Fram junk.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Oil gets a little thicker when the winter temps go down to 0 degrees Fahrenheit. I can see the bypass valve open up when first started. I see no advantage with the bypass valve being changed, they should have left it alone. JMHO
@BKD702 жыл бұрын
@@WhipCityWrencher But do you see any disadvantage to the change for the end user (the engine...)? Do you have any evidence that the dome end bypass is a less reliable design?
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
@@BKD70 This filter will work just fine, I just think they had a better design before so why change it?
@aprilgill28452 жыл бұрын
I have a 1992 Ford F150 and the new style FL1A filter will not screw all the way up on the block. Do you know of a filter that will fit it? The old style FL1A fits it perfectly. I even tried Fram filters and they won't work either.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
It should fit. I use the Purolator Boss PBL30001 oil filter.
@aprilgill28452 жыл бұрын
The new one gets tight before it ever gets all the way to the block. There is a gap between filter and block once it is tight. Old filter snuggs up to the block like it is supposed to.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
@@aprilgill2845 I've heard that the threads on the FL500s had some issues, video is down below. Don't try and force it on, you could bring it back or go to another Brand of oil filter. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXeTimeqpsqqg9k&ab_channel=FordBossMe
@daveridgeway26392 жыл бұрын
The NEW Motorcraft filter looks just like a Motorcraft that I cut open 20 years ago.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
I didn't know that, Thanks for sharing!
@ChevyConQueso10 ай бұрын
Not happy with the bypass change. The price on these lately has been insane at my area wally world- like $12. The amount of pleats was more than fine on the old one for all of my applications, which are pretty demanding- 460 Ford in a 4x4 truck that spends a lot of time offroad, 460 based race engine in a Foxbody (high volume oil pump too), Kubota diesel tractor, Perkins diesel generator, and a V-twin mower. The quality for your money and the top end bypass were why I used them. For most users, the bottom end bypass is probably fine. For my engines, I feel the top end is preferable. My stuff spends a lot of time in dirty environments, not the street, and I don't want to risk recirculating any of the trash that finds it's way in these engines. I'll probably be moving to whoever else has a decent filter with a top end bypass. The bang for the buck is gone on the FL-1A anyway. No idea why they're priced that high right now, and they're over $8 online as well, last I checked.
@WhipCityWrencher10 ай бұрын
Yep, I think they should have left them alone.
@GT-mn3bx2 жыл бұрын
2 a week Filter Reviews. Everyone knows the rules!
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
😂
@Thomas63r22 жыл бұрын
Did I miss your review on the new vs. old Motorcraft FL820S?
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
No, I never made one, I just found out yesterday that they have also changed. I would have to say that they'll probably all change.🙁
@Thomas63r22 жыл бұрын
@@WhipCityWrencher Okay, can you send back the old style FL820S that I sent you.
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
@@Thomas63r2 Sure, I'll send it out sometime after this weekend. I didn't make a video out of it (I think I told you why) Because I had opened up two other FL820 oil filters and the flute design did not matter. Here are the links to those videos.kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXSmnJuVnK1gq9E&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3yuZ4FjhbeZm68&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Hi Thomas, your filter is in the mail.
@tt-rs145710 ай бұрын
Can't understand why they changed to the cheap plastik Valve.....looking it's quite flimsy and when that piece of plastic will find the way into the the bearings
@zerkfiter2 жыл бұрын
By.pass is incase filter gets completely clogged right?highly doubt any of us watching this vid have to worry about that🙃
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Oil gets thicker as it gets colder, in the winter it could go into bypass for a little while on cold startups.
@zerkfiter2 жыл бұрын
@@WhipCityWrencher there you go...FL820S changed recently the same way. I had to run out to autozone and get a new wrench.
@TheBandit76132 жыл бұрын
Jeep 4.0 inline 6 uses a FL1A
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Yep, My brother had one of those, can't remember the year but I think a late 80s Jeep. Good engines.👍
@BNShome5 ай бұрын
looks like this filter is now over $10 at Walmart
@WhipCityWrencher5 ай бұрын
Yep, $12.36 to be exact. Thanks!👍
@tomayres42372 жыл бұрын
Isn't Motorcraft made by Purolator ???? I thought they made the spark plugs and oil filters? Don't know if they make fuel filters????Remember before Motorcraft it used to be Autolite!!!
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
As far as I know, Purolator still makes the Motorcraft oil filters. Purolator is owned by Mann and Hummel. Also Autolite makes the Motorcraft spark plugs I dont know if they make any other parts though.
@tomayres42372 жыл бұрын
Autolite used to be owed by Fram?? After Ford was Forced to sell Autolite by the Government????
@Haffschlappe4 ай бұрын
I have seen soviet oil flters better han this New Chinese filter
@matthewq4b2 жыл бұрын
Holy Hell use Imperial for metal thickness so it can easily be transferred to sheet metal gauge...
@WhipCityWrencher2 жыл бұрын
Most want metric.
@matthewq4b2 жыл бұрын
@@WhipCityWrencher Uh I doubt that since most of the filters you do are for American market vehicles. And you are using imperial measurement's for everything else.
@BKD702 жыл бұрын
@@WhipCityWrencher Only the whiney Europeans want metric. Imperial is too complicated for those simpletons.
@ourv96032 жыл бұрын
Everything was better before. Today companies are trying every dirty trick they can think of to maximize profits. #1 is cutting expenses. Use cheaper materials. Pay employees Weasel Its the same old story. !