New NES Tetris Technique: Faster Than Hypertapping!

An overview of the new 3rd major playstyle in NES Tetris.
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Clarifying notes from Hector Fly - he's been rolling since 1983 specifically, and he's been able to get speeds of up to 26hz on the d-pad with his 2 finger method for NES controllers. It's possible that it also may work for high level Tetris gameplay if one were to practice enough. This article goes more into detail on his history with rolling: www.twingalaxies.com/feed_det...
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[@aGameScout]

I've made a follow-up video on what's developed in the community with rolling in the few weeks afterwards: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGPbdISKZaeImdk If you are interested in learning rolling or joining the conversation about the playstyle, the main hub for community discussion at the moment is the #rolling-realm channel in the Classic Tetris Monthly discord server! This is a direct link: discord.gg/2DBQhmuwbP

[@CoolmineGaming]

Ok

[@traumatizedmacasio8682]

Only 1 reply?

[@adambernard6524]

No longer one

[@orangehatmusic225]

This method was discovered back in the 80's please stop doing drugs.

[@infinimetrical]

I keep trying to comment on the regular board. Legit am not being allowed. I've played guitar many years, as well as bass. I used rolling on RE4 for the boulder moments.

[@Wintergatan]

its a beautiful world

[@joshuazhong2520]

yooooooooooooooooooooooo

[@emilioquirozxdrevers9187]

Indeed

[@air_]

Hello mister Wintergatan

[@juicyguyzer]

Yooooooo

[@PierceArner]

It's always fascinating to see when someone like Martin shows up in the comments of content you watch. I can't only imagine he'll have some new musical application of this technique.

[@Mayrink.]

The fact that we are still out here revolutionizing the mere concept of _pressing a button_ on a controller that is almost 40 years old. I love this community.

[@aGameScout]

Yeah, in 2018 after Joseph won the CTWC I saw a KZbin comment saying "in a few years a kid is gonna invent futuretapping or something and destroy everyone". They were joking, but it's basically happening...

[@Mayrink.]

I for one jokingly posted "The year is 20XX. Everyone hypertaps and qualifies with a 1.2M score." not even a year ago and boy do I feel uncomfortable right now.

[@NintenQuendo]

The best consoles are the classics.

[@lettuce1626]

Tetris can never get old

[@TheDarkMessiah]

WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE??

[@MrJanes-cl5sj]

its crazy to think that 2 years later a 13 year old would reach the kill screen using this technique

[@joekerr3638]

Who is here after the killscreen?

[@m_nelly]

I didn't check the date at first and was hella confused

[@PixelatedCharcoal]

us all

[@beware_ofdogg]

Imagine knowing this trick in the 80s, you’d look like a Greek myth

[@deadwingdomain]

We did...

[@goatpepperherbaltea7895]

@@deadwingdomain ya right this some future shit

[@clarkkent1521]

I did in the 90's, but I only used it on track and field games. I didn't even to try and use it on tetris, a game I've also played since the 90s. Dumb me.

[@antman7673]

We knew about computers, why didn’t we build smartphones in the 1980s. -The technology was not there yet.

[@cheshire1]

@@antman7673 The thing is that this is a trick. You can understand it in a couple seconds (doesn't mean it's easy to come up with, but it's conceivable). Now try understanding how a smartphone works. They're incredibly complex and build on a long progression of innovation. It's very different.

[@FlyHec]

It wasn't 10 years ago that I first rolled on buttons. It was in 1983.

[@thecoffeeengineer]

The legend is here!

[@gtyrone83]

The year I was born. A special year, indeed 😁

[@drawingastickman8122]

Nice

[@juicyguyzer]

pogu the legend himself

[@UNDERGROUNDskateco]

Shout out Hector Fly!

[@tropicalpalmtree]

Shoutout to cheez for making Blue Scutis achievement possible.

[@rogerwilco2]

Indeed.

[@Deathspade66]

Didn't expect to randomly see Rob Scallon in a video about Tetris "rolling" being faster, and more efficient than "hyper-tapping". That was awesome.

[@SuckMyKiss420]

As a guitarist myself who doesn't even play Tetris, it's weird that I'm watching a Tetris vid and the only person I know in it is Rob, lol

[@Deathspade66]

@@SuckMyKiss420 right? was just browsing at 2am, for some reason ended up on this video and wtf. Rob is randomly in it.

[@Fire27hun]

I know right! I was surprised when I saw him try to tap the D-pad just like he would on a guitar lol

[@thecompanioncube4211]

What a legend he is... Comes in, sits with Jonas and learns about Tetris for one day, and paves the way to revolutionize the whole Tetris play style

[@agenttank]

lol this happened to not for the first time as he appeared in a video about rollerblading as well xD

[@uTubeNoITube]

RIP Jonas, you'll always be remembered, revered, missed and loved, brother.

[@camwoodstock]

Jonas hypertapped so the NES Tetris community could roll.

[@alvingous]

Trust Jonas to be still the one to usher Tetris to a new level. RIP to the greatest.

[@uTubeNoITube]

@@camwoodstock I could imagine Jonas trying this rolling technique and climbing his way back to the top of the top of the Tetris world! Sad that he did not get the chance. :(

[@SSoto_21]

Jonas didn’t deserve to die so young. :(

[@Anvekeen]

LYMYMI, Jonas

[@four-en-tee]

Tetris is finally entering its own 20XX scenario.

[@iseegreen5297]

"The year is 20TT Everyone has done rolling at TAS Levels of perfection"

[@fischmittisch]

Underrated comment

[@mia_2043]

DAS = ASDI, Hypertype = SDI, Rolling= Wizzrobe SDI. SSBM and Tetris parallels are actually crazy

[@mateotheweeb_8258]

The Melee and Tetris fandom crossover is surprising

[@sareaper69]

The one true optimal strat

[@NyxTheShieldOFFICIAL]

Funny, this is really similar to a technique called Wank DI (lol) for Smash 64, where instead of moving the stick in quarter circle motions to get more smash DI inputs, you instead move the entire controller with an up and down motion really fast to get better results (hence the stupid name lol)

[@luminatron]

lmao what a name

[@scilent0509]

Just gonna comment hi before this gets buried by your popularity, ur music is great tho I remember a few years ago when I first heard u

[@repentoryouwilllikewiseper8741]

Repent to Jesus Christ!!! “Yet you, Lord, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭64:8‬ ‭NIV‬‬

[@firemonkey1015]

Nerd

[@jakimoretti7771]

@@firemonkey1015 ash scars or Nazi police symbols?

[@white_145]

2021: someone actually playing normally on level 29 2023: level 157 lets goo we reaching rebirth screen with this one

[@skylarsorell9212]

I WISH I could be so passionate about literally anything in my life as these people are about frickin Tetris

[@sundarpichai940]

Literally!

[@vipset87]

for real. when you think of it in those terms, skys the limit. off topic: i wonder how many ppl asked themselves, "why am i still watchin this video?"

[@urmother1893]

I swear

[@julz19]

They're in the zone man I'm telling you. This is literally the embodiment of "do one thing, do it good"

[@jabaridavid1256]

Jesus Is Passionate about us. Isaiah 53:5-6 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. (KJV)

[@person_perhaps]

Big brain: holding a button Bigger brain: tapping a button Biggest brain: tapping the controller

[@Qbe_Root]

Biggest-er brain: holding the controller?

[@daikaji3833]

Biggest-est brain: become the controller

[@Zenith_682]

Biggest-est-est-eat brain: telekinesis-ing the controller

[@Cloud29065]

Smol brain: cheating in game

[@Zenith_682]

@@Cloud29065 smoller brain: crafting an obvious fake speedrun

[@gasser5001]

RIP Jonas. A true Tetris Legend. We wouldn't be watching this video if it weren't for him!

[@realkingofantarctica]

I think the most impressive thing about Tetris as a competitive game is that it no longer becomes about learning every aspect inside the game, but rather every aspect outside of it, including the controller.

[@DirkieDurky]

Future gameScout: "And the oldschool hypertappers have now been fully taken over by rollers"

[@herreragonza5891]

I can see that in a year or two lol

[@typhoontyph]

So the hypertapper will now be the “veteran” and the new generation of younger player will take over Maybe the new champion will be 8 years old

[@luigigrabspam4596]

@@typhoontyph Nah, its going to be more, old das players and hypertappers jumping on rolling. Not just "new players"

[@bluehacker122]

@@luigigrabspam4596 not really, dog has like above a year of experience in tetris, he literally went from 0 to hero that fast, similar case was with joseph, he learned about tetris from "boom tetris from jeff" video around 2016 and in 2018 he was world champion

[@luigigrabspam4596]

@@bluehacker122 According to Cheez, Dog isn't a fan a rolling. Also there's no reason everyone isn't going to at least attempt to learn this,

[@yojimboliferow]

"i wonder how they'll be pushing buttons for tetris 37 years from now." -Everybody in 1984

[@conallmolloy4238]

Literally 1984

[@flviir]

@@conallmolloy4238 enormous sibling is viewing you

[@Zaerghul]

@@flviir Even the totalitarian regimes are gender inclusive in the 2020's lol

[@danielmin3947]

Literally 1984

[@tresden1174]

It is beyond amazing, beyond even comprehension that we have had 2 new styles that have demolished how Tetris is played in the last 10 years. Go humanity.

[@RandomDude1487]

Years later, someone has beat Tetris.

[@Bobdd0]

Your enthusiasm and clear communication is really making this community all too easy to dive into! I'm learning as much as i can since the True Kill Screen just happened!

[@MisterFatherSir310]

RIP Jonas. He was such a nice guy

[@ElectroIsMyReligion]

The GOAT of Tetris!

[@Engin09TR]

jonas just went up there to teach god how to play tetris

[@cane870]

@@Engin09TR how’d he die

[@aeronaut7346]

@@cane870 He was crushed by a tetris cube

[@koifish528]

@@cane870 copy pasted from Wikipedia: On April 2, the cause of death was diagnosed as "sudden cardiac death due to cardiac arrhythmia of undetermined [cause]"

[@MarkKlett]

Cheez is my piano student! So proud of this!!

[@RedStone576]

o:

[@tolstoj9348]

There is an undeniable connection between playing Tetris, the passion for Music and Music Theory, Rubiks Cubes and Statistics. And I have yet to figure out why that is... :-D

[@MarkKlett]

@@tolstoj9348 I agree, maybe it's connected with the longing of trying to understand how the universe works and discovering it's secrets.

[@agamaz5650]

damn that is cool

[@azom5577]

ok

[@UrrALegend]

Whos here cause Blue Scuti hit the True kill Screen

[@stephen2828]

The finger movement looks very similar to how beginner classical guitar players do tremelo, playing one string very quickly over and over. It will be interesting to see if this tetris technique will evolve further to look more like guitar playing or even flamenco tremelo which has the pattern, index-> ring-> middle-> index-> thumb. Maybe even flip the controller over and strike it with your nails so it becomes like a rasgueado.

[@jimbotron70]

They'd have to develop novel controller types with different stick and buttons arrangement and position.

[@muscledeep]

I wish Jonas was here... He could have learned this techique and became even more stronger... I miss you man, you were and always will be the GOAT, the legend himself, the truly ambassador of this otherwise forgotten and dusty game

[@analogalbacore7166]

Wrong. Amd who is jonas

[@operationsquirtle]

@@analogalbacore7166 asshole, Jonas Neubauer was one of the best Tetris players ever.

[@randomminecraftplayer6857]

@@analogalbacore7166 Only the world champion for like 7 championships in a row.

[@Alvin_Vivian]

@@randomminecraftplayer6857 Not in a row

[@mikea5205]

Honesty man I was so devastated I didn’t watch any Tetris for like 2 months

[@RedStone576]

I just realized that he's the guy who made the pi song 10 years ago

[@geomochi4904]

yea i realised it about a month ago too

[@Razorcarl]

Oh wow, yeah he is. I didn't know that.

[@marinaaaa2735]

@Вероника Заглотова π is an actual greek letter so that basically says "pano" lol

[@leftysheppey]

@@marinaaaa2735 I like how you're telling the person with a cyrillic name about Pi ;)

[@salumtummundi9462]

@@marinaaaa2735 dude that symbol is the symbol for pi.

[@whouse7]

Here after Blue Scuti crashed the game. Great video!

[@krisjaynav]

Crab scratching changed the game with DJs in the late 90s. It moved people from single and double flares to performing quads and quintuple cuts. It pretty much looks like this rolling technique.

[@armsinmotion]

Yup! First thing I thought of

[@gardonasta]

GREAT ANALOGY

[@lextrayed2304]

You made a ten minute video on the concept of "press button fast in Tetris", and it was extremely interesting and entertaining. Mind-blowing stuff!

[@jubiladoatope]

Tetris competitions before, a bunch of 45 year olds Tetris competitions now, a bunch of 15 year olds LMAOOOOO

[@DanteAtropos]

The people get old but the game endures.

[@joakinfrati7867]

40 yrs ago it was a bunch of 18+ yrs old lol

[@Pokarface7]

It happened in The poker as well, after hole cards were invented and on the next 4 years, random amateurs won the main event against a field of pros, attracting a new generation of players, many young ones. Nowadays there's more young people than older ones

[@lupyx4632]

I mean u could just drag click on the controller to get 40+ cps

[@tommytomthms5]

@@lupyx4632 I think mid 20s is the limit because frame times and nes hardware not being built for hyper fast movements. but I'm not an expert on this.

[@papermario3982]

I wish Jonas had still been here for the development of rolling. He never had the physical ability to do hypertapping, so he was doomed to fall behind to the next generation (so gracious he was, in passing on the torch.) I wish he could have been able to try this, and been able to see what he was able to do with it. Maybe he could have even used it to reclaim his throne in the modern Tetris era. We'll never know. I haven't been keeping up with Tetris in a while, and I just found out yesterday that Jonas passed. I'm still shaken, even though I never met the man. I can't believe he's gone. I took for granted that he was still out there, being the awesome and beloved spokesperson for competitive NES tetris. I'm crying a little as I write this, lol. What a one of a kind example of graciousness and inclusivity. He touched and inspired so many. Miss you, Jonas.

[@jackdaone6469]

If I had to speculate, Jonas' unmatched intelligence in Tetris play combined with him knowing a technique that would allow him to keep up with hypertappers like Joseph, who could beat him despite his superior understanding of the game, would have put him back on-top for at least a time.

[@aricrandolph8187]

And now someone beat the game with it!

[@justmax234]

Guitar hero players be like: R A K E T A P

[@Rude_i_Wredne]

I play tetris with a keyboard, on an emulator and using 2 alternating fingers instead of one was my first instinct, got me to a consistent 13 hz (I'm not a great gh player, I can only dream of the crazy FC's they do nowadays, my best achievement is to choke on the outro of Satch Boogie). It's not that much, but It makes a hell of a difference compared to DAS (13 and 14 high left's when grinding 15-5, that type of stuff). I wondered for a long time whether this can be done on NES controller (don't have one). If I ever get one, I'm definitelly going to try rolling.

[@RedstonekPL]

bouta fc soulless 4 on a nes controller

[@GHSpaghetti]

I did think u could do this but I don't play NES tetris, us guitar hero players just kept our raking technique to ourself

[@CheezTetris]

yeah when i first told Jd about it he also explained that it was a technique in guitar/clone hero lol

[@JonathanScarlet]

Don't forget rake strumming, too.

[@okCobalt]

Tickling the controller into moving the pieces left and right is the most beautiful method anyone could've come up with.

[@mezmerism107]

My dad actually did this for a while, then continued to hypertapping when we played Contra back then, while continues searching the comfortable hand position. He doesn't know he can walk or shoot while holding the button. He argued that it need constant input like a keyboard of piano or typewriter and it was too small for his hand to hold, so he tap every button from stage 1 till the boss. After stage 2 it becomes harder for us. Never pass stage 2 with him. He sucks. Git gud dad.

[@Jppeanuts959]

I've never watched competitive NES Tetris, but a very interesting and well executed video even for someone who knows little on the history and subject!

[@Herv3]

I could see Jonas adopting this if he were still with us.

[@jackdaone6469]

Definitely, because he couldn’t hypertap due to arthritis issues so he used DAS combined with immaculate builds to keep himself competitive. Rolling would have given him the speed needed to keep up with or surpass hypertappers like Joseph while also using his incredible strategic mind of the game to give him the edge he needed to retake the Golden T.

[@cattycats4]

he wouldve won 10 more championships , true artist of the game, give him speed nobody can keep up. rest in peace Jonas

[@adamr.2205]

I was four months late to this. RIP Jonas.

[@LetsChat]

This youtube channel is legit one of the greatest living documentaries of all time.

[@dansushi]

I just love seeing SE people out of their natural habitat!

[@dosiedoe]

such a good video, love that you point out how intuitive the new technique is with the rob scallon anecdote.

[@rocksreviewsreactions337]

2 years later, a 13 year old kid who goes by blue Scuti finally beat Tetris.

[@_UsernameUnavailable_]

And he uses the rolling technique.

[@jimbotron70]

He didn't. He made it crash by reaching the limits of 8-bit computation, which it's different.

[@mayuro]

@@jimbotron70 what was the score?

[@jimbotron70]

@@mayuro 999999, level 157

[@leeward6762]

​@@mayuro kill screen on 157

[@Davidamp]

I wish Jonas was still with us today to see it

[@thuggeegaming659]

I'm sure he knew that new techniques would be developed. He saw the level of competition in his final years, and that's what made him excited. That new players were playing such an old game, and raising the bar to heights that were never achieved before, and never even thought to be possible.

[@inlovewithi]

I had no idea that Jonas died until after I watched the video and read the comments. I only knew him as that Tetris guy, but he seemed like such a good person that it's shocking that he's dead. Basically how could such a nice guy die so young. That's kind of the feeling.

[@blackpepper2610]

Who's jonas?

[@Herv3]

@@blackpepper2610 A great person as well as a great Tetris player. Won 7 of the first 8 Classic Tetris World Championships. Also a very entertaining streamer along with his wife Heather. He posts clips of his stream on youtube.

[@TheEnde124]

No way, I didn't know this Rest in peace brother

[@ChicCanyon]

I really miss him.

[@bigblack9819]

How did he die?

[@retrorama3355]

I'm so happy to see people competing on the NES.

[@ingusbingus8750]

here after the game was beat

[@ReturnWinnerYGO]

Seeing Jonas in this Video made me So sad... Imagine Jonas with the rolling style

[@wingfryer]

It would of been cool to see Jonas attempt this method on his stream.

[@aGameScout]

Yeah... :/ I was impressed though with Jonas's humbleness that even though he was the "expert" guest in Rob's video, he still thought about Rob's abilities as a musician and prodded him with questions about techniques that he might be able to learn that could also be helpful for Tetris. They were SO close to figuring out the rolling playstyle in that interview, months before the rest of the community picked up on it.

[@ReturnWinnerYGO]

@@aGameScout Shows what a humble guy he was and also, why he was the best. He was always looking to improve and was not afraid to go out of his way to search for new things and opinions. The game might be evolving every week, but Jonas was and will forever be the best Classic Tetris Player ever. Anyway, great video, hope to see you in CTWC 2022 (maybe 2021) rolling your way to victory (;

[@calamorta]

Man, I just googled him to see how he was doing and found out he passed away this year... as a casual who wasn't been paying attention to the community in months, I'm shocked. "The Classic Tetris World Championships Explained" video got me hooked on Tetris competitive scene for a few months and when I saw the 2018 finals between Jonas and Joseph, my respect for Jonas got even bigger. He managed to compete as a "normal person" (no hypertapping) and passed the torch like a true champ. Such a shame he's not here anymore.

[@mathurincoupal-jette6939]

That collab video is what got me into Tetris in the first place!

[@ironicdivinemandatestan4262]

Note: Cheez has so far broken his own record 4 times in a row.

[@RG-os4xx]

Ended up here after seeing Blue Scuti video and wanting to know what rolling was lol

[@RealGateGuardian]

thank you! I couldn't figure out hypertapping but seeing the step by step and drawings will help me prep

[@normi1504]

I miss Jonas, his consistency was just unmatched, seing him getting unlucky pieces but surviving because of insane piece placement was just so satisfying.

[@faustverian6947]

the goat

[@jackdaone6469]

Dude had an IQ for Tetris that was unmatched, and it's why he was able to stay competitive despite being a DAS player. If he was still alive and had mastered rolling, I guarantee he would've been rematching Joseph in the finals.

[@tornado100able]

@@jackdaone6469 It's still surreal for me Jonas passed away...

[@jestes7]

@@YogSoth what a stupid comment

[@Mattoropael]

Watching Jonas build his extremely efficient stacks was beautiful, and he was only held back by his inability to even try hypertap. The world is forever robbed of the possibility of seeing Jonas unleashed with rolling controls.

[@jacobhuelskamp7167]

I love how this 30+ year old game is still so exciting (at least) on a monthly basis. The competitive ceiling keeps going up and the community keeps evolving.

[@whatwhat9599]

Shout out to blue scuti, mans a legend

[@caelanwatson9812]

Something that is kind of interesting to me about this, is how similar these techniques, and how they have progressed are with the techniques used in Competitive Minecraft. In Minecraft (before the combat update), the way you fight other players is to click your mouse a bunch of times to kill them. The slowest way is generally called "normal clicking", not exactly like just holding the button down in Tetris, but they both are the starting point to all the different techniques, but a competitive player in both of these games is still probably able to get by just using these. Then the next 'Level' in clicking/pressing techniques for both of these games would probably be "Jitter Clicking" in minecraft or "Hypertapping" in Tetris which is, quite literally, the exact same thing. The way both of these techniques are done by tensing your arm, and using the vibrtions to click/press the button. Both of these options are pretty widely used. Not quite the best, but harder to do than the previous techniques and again, a competitive player could still get by pretty well just by using this. Then we get to the next level, and the current final one for Tetris, which is "Rolling" or "Butterfly clicking" in Minecraft. These techniques are quite similar by how multiple fingers are used to gain more presses/clicks, the only difference, is because a Minecraft players mouse has to be on the table at all times and be used with one hand, players have to "Double click" which is essentially being able to click twice in seemingly one press to gain faster speeds. But other than that, they both have the same fundamentals, being dividing the work into multiple fingers. These are both pretty much well known as the skill ceilings for both competitive players (kind of) and can be pretty hard to get right, but increase click/press speeds exponentially. Now, "Rolling" is currently the best technique for getting high speeds in Tetris, but with Minecraft, you can still get faster, by using a technique called "Drag clicking" players have been able to click faster than ever by using friction to produce many, many, many clicks at a time. So what is so interesting to me about this, is that Minecraft players started prgressing these techniques years ago, and its cool how similarly the tetris community has been progressing getting faster speeds in their own game. Does this mean that the next level for tetris speeds is going to be some sort of "Drag Pressing" or something? I have no idea. (Of course I know that there a bunch of other niche techniques for both Minecraft and Tetris, but these are the main ones.) TLDR: The Tetris communities evolution of techniques to gain faster pressing is similar to how the Minecraft community, years ago progressed their own techniques to click faster.

[@traumster1667]

Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking. The process is strikingly resemblant.

[@chrismoulistanos8884]

Cheez has just cleared 29-3 with the rolling technique !!! Unreal

[@want-diversecontent3887]

Do you think 29-5 will be possible?

[@Skeird]

What's 29-3?

[@papahut3103]

@@Skeird ​ First number is the level, aka the speed. Second number is a characteristic of the B-type of tetris where it starts you off at higher heights with randomly generated garbage. The goal of B-type is to clear 25 lines while surviving the higher heights, and the second number can vary from 0 through 5. In this case I think it's 8 grid-cells high, but what's impressive is that he did it in level 29, the fastest speed(the dropped piece moves 1 gridcell down every frame).

[@J4mison]

@@want-diversecontent3887 I don't see it happening anytime soon, but with how fast things in NES Tetris have been improving, I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen in the coming months

[@mattjindrak]

Thats like a whole community

[@anbonnn]

born too late to witness NES Tetris’ release. born to early to witness NES Tetris’ extinction. born just in time to witness the creation of NES Tetris’ third major play style. what a time to be alive

[@andrewzhang8512]

nestris will not go extinct for a long time lol

[@lred1383]

@@andrewzhang8512 It's interesting really. Such an ancient console, such a crude, unergonomic controller, and yet... It just works for Tetris. The game doesn't need fancy graphics or high framerates, and the small rectangular controller becomes surprisingly versatile as people discover new methods of using it

[@andrewzhang8512]

@@lred1383 that was a beautiful paragraph lol

[@tgm_trainer5042]

@@lred1383 Tetris is like the Smash Bros of gaming.

[@kkmac7247]

@@lred1383 nes controller is better than joycons by a lot, and people still play switch games

[@WolvenSpectre]

Oh god does this bring me back... we used to use rolling on Konami's Arcade Track and Field in '83-'84. Then as people got faster they started using a cheap comb between the two buttons with your off hand's middle finger on top and your ring and pointy finger on the bottom, then put that to the side of the first button so the comb would hold the first button down. You then rolled the second button through the comb lifting it off the first button as you hit the second, then springing back down to push the first button until you hit the second button again. You then ended up with expert rollers verses expert comb rollers. It is almost 40 years later and some things just don't change.

[@andrewbranson8539]

We did a similar thing on Playstation track and field but used a popsicle stick and rubber band.

[@massilm26]

And yesterday someone finished Tetris with this method

[@alexanderross6498]

Imagine hitting a button so fast that you generate a pure tone.

[@green90s]

I don't know why I was recommended this, but I enjoyed the video. RIP Jonas.

[@HeWhoLivesByTheNutDiesByTheNut]

Man I wish Jonas was around to see this. This years ctwc was amazing and he would have been so proud of this community

[@ronaldbos9345]

Amazing how the old (NES) version of Tetris is still played so much. As someone who plays the modern version of Tetris, the NES version feels like a totally different puzzle game.

[@shoji6169]

next technique is gonna be tapping the earth to create earthquakes to tap the button faster

[@Ougerosity598]

Shit man, you can't just give away my secrets like that! 🤣

[@milky_frog26fran67]

Videos 5 years from now like: New tetris technique?!?!?!? Earthtapping!??!?!

[@jehovahkhalifa6760]

groundbreaking

[@raseruuu3742]

Your icon made me think there could be an NES Button pressing breathing technique

[@YachtyBurner]

Saitama NES Tetris necrotapper

[@topsecret1837]

That moment when Rob Scallon discovered this technique before any other speedrunner. The absolute legend!

[@ReezyResells]

This technique reminds me of crab Skratch technique in turntablism and there's also a move called a "scribble" which is essentially hyper tapping; it involves vibrating your hand/fingers on the record

[@gregoryminton]

I’m from the future to say that this method works very well and new records eventually get unlocked in the year 2023.

[@larsscholz3762]

can someone please give this guy an award for outstanding community work?! Like...now! Thanks for your effort!

[@antisocial197]

Man, seeing this video reminds me how much I wish Jonas was still around. Just imagining what could have been if Jonas had mastered rolling :'(

[@zes3813]

wrgg

[@myplaxismodelisbetterthanyours]

This rolling shit is crazy

[@MaffiaRK]

Fascinating. Thank you!

[@iagodiago]

If you get beaten by a Rick in a tournament who uses this technique... Does that mean that you got Rickrolled?

[@RobotsEverywhereVideos]

It means you're a Jerry

[@fabiandeleon2542]

There’s the door 🚪... good bye now 😂

[@justarandomweebyay5372]

Stfu and take my like, goddamit

[@cadenthecadburyengine8198]

Yes

[@MrJ-ro1yr]

That's a shower thought right there

[@mrgatogrande4284]

I like to think this is one last gift Jonas sent down to the world of tetris. I imagine him smiling from out there wherever he is.

[@mip0]

It's so interesting to see such a well made video, and it's very well made imo, about a new technique for pushing buttons. This is a video about gaming that I would be glad to show people outside of gaming, like my parents for example.

[@DingoYabuki]

Great video! I thought this looked weird at first, but now it makes sense

[@martnava1661]

when you're measuring button presses in hertz you know you're going something right

[@scrubukkit1133]

"I will not get into competitive Tetris I will not get into competitive Tetris" *checks the price for an NES*

[@tgm_trainer5042]

99.99999999% percent of tournaments don't require you to have an official NES. You can get a Retron(Don't get a Retron HD, they're not good) for 25$ and a tetris cart for 6$ depending on where you live. Emulators are also allowed in all tournaments but the CTWC(I reccomend Mesen or Nestopia).

[@raracool6531]

@@tgm_trainer5042 Bless your soul for providing this info. Thinking of buying one now. If this was Reddit I’d give you gold

[@kkmac7247]

@@tgm_trainer5042 is fceux allowed?

[@tgm_trainer5042]

@@kkmac7247 It's allowed but no one uses it because of how laggy it is.

[@kkmac7247]

@@tgm_trainer5042 ok, I thought it may not because of tasing. By lag do you mean input lag or something?

[@zr5356]

This is SO cool! In piano, one method of hiting the same note/key quickly and repeatedly is to use three fingers and move them in a circular motion like they do when rolling! So cool how musical techniques blend with the gaming world!

[@Asbiss]

Circular motion you say? How?

[@tednoob]

I don't even like tetris but I enjoyed this video. Thanks for the peek inside your amazing world and for the awesome video, you did really well!

[@michaelclarkj]

Wow, that Cheez vid is insane. Thank you for keeping us connected to this community Scout!

[@epicbagel2180]

also, you gotta love that goldfish colors bag in the back

[@aGameScout]

gotta rep cheez fish

[@wingfryer]

I missed the reference LOL. I thought Scout was just trying to get another sponsorship.

[@fernandofelix892]

There might be some rolling highlights to look out for? Well, you weren't lying. This year was crazy.

[@mckeifus]

This is a really good channel. I hope it blows up!!!

[@DrMegaGaming]

Happy i could inspire some people to try it out!

[@kr12a2y]

Had you already seen the flyhec vid when I linked it in the discord last year? It's great to see even more overlap between the cag community and nestris.

[@DantesGrill]

I love how creative Rob is. It's clear through his music but also just seeing whenever he tries something new, his curiosity always seem to push hard for is innovativeness to punch through.

[@ginnungagap69]

We did it!

[@nicklewry3854]

I don’t even play Tetris but think these kind of optimizations are some of the most brilliant things ever. Shout out Cheese and the whole community

[@ahuhu]

this video made me > 50% excited: is this going to bring back at least some of the old school tetris masters!? would be amazing to see the OGs getting back to the top level and competing again without being constrained by their physical limits. > and 50% sad: not being able to see jonas using this technique...

[@jackdaone6469]

No kidding. Jonas was the best builder and strategist in CT, bar none. Not that other top guys like Joseph aren’t also good at it, Jonas was just incredible with his ability to build immaculate stacks, which is why he was so dominant in the early CTWC tourneys and why he was able to beat skilled Hypertappers like Koryan when the technique was developed. What held him back against Joseph is that Joseph was young enough to keep up the hypertaps and was a good strategist in his own right, which made Jonas’ DAS fall behind; and Jonas couldn’t hypertap due to his arthritis issues. Had Jonas been able to perfect a rolling technique with practice, he would have returned to the top spot because he’d be able to keep up with Joseph while having the edge in terms of build strats.

[@RhysticStudies]

holy shit!

[@jangonauta]

And now they are at the true kill screen.. scuti

[@dlarewolfe2273]

Dang, I wasn't even aware that Jonas has passed. RIP, Legend

[@BeretBay]

Wait what

[@BeretBay]

RIP. JUST looked it up

[@coryloft8447]

WHAT

[@joshuakuehn]

To everyone just finding out, he died from a sudden medical emergency due to a heart arrhythmia of unknown origin. One of those freak occurrences of nature I guess. Take care of your hearts everybody! You likely only get one and it works really hard your entire life so be nice to it!

[@Zeveulesaussure]

@@joshuakuehn So sad for him, he seems to be so nice. Rest In Peace legend ❤️

[@colinparker9267]

This is super cool. Watching the story of NES Tetris unfold in revolutionary ways here in the 2020s is pretty wild. I remember playing this on my NES when I was 10!

[@Ironpecker]

This is incredible, it's such an ingenious discovery and I'm happy that even if I don't play nes tetris a lot of people who felt gated out of the game for hypertapping now have a better chance at competing

[@vasanafrancois1044]

this was helpful. saw a video of someone who hit level 67 and over 2 mil. he was rolling and I had no idea what it was.

[@toutenmagma7140]

i love it when old communities still find ways to change and evolve so much

[@zenbmonk1016]

I knew a third technique would eventually be found. Also hearing that HectorFly was involved, is legendary. Love both of you're legend and content Hector & Scout.

[@darotini]

Crazy looking back at the 2018 championship and not looking at any tetris videos until right now. The players are at a whole different level from what I was used to.

[@LOLHICRONO]

i actually felt like i had seen this video before and the clips from Rob are what i was thinking of

[@hannahs8370]

Genuinely, I'm losing my mind. People are so creative.

[@wingfryer]

Congrats on reaching a million views. It's one thing to be able to attract audience from the Classic Tetris community, it's another to be able to attract people who had not even discovered the Classic Tetris World Championship (CTWC) in the first place.

[@cleangoblin2021]

Holy crap. Amazing technique

[@Gastogh]

This reminds me of when rake strumming was developed in the Guitar Hero community. For a long time sections with 20 NPS strumming were considered hard, especially to do consistently, and the upper limit of how fast anyone could strum was like maybe 22-23 NPS in short bursts. Then rake strumming came along and players could overstrum long sections of 30 NPS.