New Old Heads react to Fat Joe saying hip hop's creation was 50/50 Black and Latinos

This discussion from the New Old Heads episode 303 discussed Fat Joe saying hip hop was 50/50 Black and Latino in its inception.
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[@carlmiller8384]

Just because you were there does not mean you created hip hop

[@beforeyourimmigrants8471]

In early hip hop there was literally nothing from Caribbean or Latino culture in it. It emerged out of African-American culture. It's not this melting pot like you see on the Pepsi and McDonald's commercials stop that.

[@beforeyourimmigrants8471]

@@PreCognition777 Why? Im not a Caribbean or Mestizo.

[@beforeyourimmigrants8471]

@@precognition4107 The origins of hip Hop are in the American South not the South Bronx. That's why there's absolutely nothing Latin or Caribbean about until 1980. There's nothing from those culture that you can say hip hop evolved from.

[@danielsantiago9637]

Wait but Herc was Jamaican..... what the hell is going on here Herc himself said when he created it the sound he was trying to accomplish a drum sound from his culture so 1. Jamaica is in the Caribbean and 2. Original Jamaicans were tainos just like every other island in the Caribbean PR DR East Cuba Jamaica and Haiti but in all those places black became the secondary race as Spanish took over and fully decimated the taino bloodline by mixing with it and blacks on those islands being strong enough and surving enough and mixing enough with their brown taino brothers became the secondary race in our mixture so Kool Herc who actually proved these guys wrong and said he passed it on to the puerto ricans days later and who is essentially the same especially with how light skinned he is. He's clearly got spanish and taino in him as matter of fact Jamaicans and Haitians have a lot more pure African mixtures that the break down is black with the highest percentage and Spanish at 2 and taino at 3 whereas the Hispanic cultures PR DR and Cuba have Spanish 1st African 2nd and there isn't a Hispanic brother that I've met that hasn't told me that their taino blood was real faint at about 13 percent and those same brothers who look like the lightskins out here mixed with white who actually get recognized as black, are who have a surprisingly high African percentage mine was 28 on its own and that was just Nigerian other regions of Africa are in my shit but unfortunately I got the big ass Spanish % and tiny taino at 12. Anyway point being is literally my cousin in lineage made Hip hop then passed it off to one of my brother's in lineage (HIS COUSIN ESSENTIALLY) and Ricans didn't go 50/50 on this? Sorry my guys but we did we really did by the time RDMC, LL and them dropped there was 10 puerto rican Rap crews in the game holding it down look it up only to soon pass on what is unfortunately the last of the puerto Rican greats, Fat Joe and Big Pun. Cmon guys we gotta stop this lack of pure knowledge for a fight white America wants to be having bottom line mixed black people in the south Bronx created the greatest genre to ever exist. 🎤 *drops*

[@donaldmccall3968]

The early hip hop came from the roots of slavery were the slave was using there voice to escape to freedom.

[@12NR711]

Facts

[@edwardsmith5274]

Black Americans must put in check all these people claiming they created Hip-hop next thing you know Chinese and Japanese will be claiming they have created Hip-hop culture to which would be really ridiculous! 🙄

[@carlmiller8384]

Everylody wants to glom on

[@ev8318]

FBAs didn't create DJing or modern day graffiti, but made contributions.

[@mbp333]

I was there,PR did nothing

[@ev8318]

@@mbp333 K-Born Says Latinos Were Mainly Breakdancing and Doing Graffiti [Part 7]

[@abuabunorelation399]

Rap is a black American art form

[@user-ce8se4zs3j]

😂😂😂😂that is a lie Negative😂😂😂

[@LastFromMars]

@@user-ce8se4zs3jkeep coping 😂

[@robluv4592]

Hell no

[@52blocksfederation83]

Joe is the only SPANISH DUDE because is wasn’t 50/50. Name 3 Spanish Icon rappers from 1971 to 1981? 50/50?

[@alisalindsey3051]

EXCELLENT POINT!❤

[@SeeJayTML]

I swear y’all kill me nobody was pushing for credit back then now it’s popular all of sudden now it’s a debate

[@ImNotSorry1954]

Exactly 💯

[@MaybeDHitHim]

I was there. It was not half and half.

[@mbp333]

At all,if you're not from the Bronx...... please stop talking about it please....😅

[@kelllzzzkellzz4910]

I was there and from The Bronx and with all due respect it was not. Latinos were there with us and specifically Puerto Ricans and Dominicans but it’s black culture,in actuality the culture of Black Ghetto life in The Bronx.

[@MaybeDHitHim]

@@kelllzzzkellzz4910 you're incorrect but I understand your confusion. You think hip hop started in the Bronx. You probably also think Puerto Ricans aren't Black. You're twice misinformed. Hip hop goes all the way back to the oral tradition of sharing history and culture in West Africa. The first time the word, "hep hop" was used it was in "Hepcat's Rhapsody" in the late '40s. The Zoot Suit Riots were a follow up to labor protests done by BLACK people. And if you think breakdancing is a Puerto Rican thing, I encourage you to look up Prince Ravana Bey and Diane Blackburn. We were breakdancing in Angola before any Spaniard raped a Taino or stole a slave, dear comrade. The Last Poets (Douglas 7) weren't Puerto Rican. Gil Scot Heron is a Black man originally from Chicago. Hip hop tends to follow street culture and street culture is BLACK-derivative. These facts all check out. I don't mind sharing the culture with Puerto Ricans. But I'm not sharing the ownership of history. As a Black man, that is specifically MY inheritance. I don't care if you like it.

[@robluv4592]

Stop it u were not.there. Hip hop NYC created

[@MaybeDHitHim]

@@mbp333 hip hop didn't start in The Bronx. Hip hop is merely a more recent manifestation of Black culture. You're so stupid that this premise escaped you.

[@novacorps2468]

You forgot to mention the progenitor of Hip Hop, James Brown. He even said in "The Big Playback" ...I can dig rapping

[@REIMUZIX]

I am a hip hop disciple who was raised in the Bronx and witnessed and embraced hip hop culture. There were plenty of DJ's including me who spent a lot of money promoting black music let's get that straight. I do agree there is participation and the creation of their own unique twist, but it's black music. Latino artists did start to pop up and create their own music so they to have a part in it's evolution, but not its creation. The word that should be used was that latinos participated in its evolution and created their own music from black culture. I can't speak on what happened in the 1970's because I was too young to witness a lot of what was going on at that time.

[@xX-qw4of]

It was black people lol everyone wants to take credit for everything black people do. Damn

[@BoricuaNyc]

Black-NewYorkRicans🇵🇷🗽that look like Roberto Clemente and Alpo Martinez were there since day one

[@dorothycrawley3327]

@@BoricuaNycBlack Americans were Rapping and break dancing was in the 1920s..Puerto Ricans was not in the beginning..

[@cmo5807]

@@dorothycrawley3327 Proof? I can find plenty that they where dancing but not break dancing I can even pull up videos if you like. That is not break dancing here is a example for your know it all but to look up the Cakewalk.... looks NOTHING like break dance. As for rapping in the 20s not one thing can you find proof wise online... But can find plenty of black songs that are NOT even close to rap. GD wtf is wrong with people wanting to know it all without even researching or anything. YOU are exactly whats wrong with the state of the world right now! Lazy know it alls.

[@meknow_indigenousAmerican]

@@BoricuaNyc if you made a cup and I was there does that mean I get credit for you making a cup? No stupid.

[@BoricuaNyc]

@@meknow_indigenousAmericanYour stupid too compare hip hop to a cup🤣🤣 Blacks, NewYorkRicans🇵🇷🗽and Caribbeans invented the 5-Elements of hip hop culture in the boogie down bronx 🗽🗽🗽🗽

[@Mikejones-zg6xg]

Grand Master flowers was b4 d.j kool herc

[@travisterrelljacobs]

Grandmaster flowers is black

[@mayalunics4740]

Grand Master Flowers wasn't what would be considered Hip Hop DJ in the early 70s. Brooklyn was playing Love is the Message and wasn't focused on the Break Beat.

[@nicolethompson1515]

Facts

[@abuabunorelation399]

Rap is still a sport thats dominated by black people yet the vultures always want to do something once it’s popping

[@user-ce8se4zs3j]

Lol vultures when most of the early hiphop artists were of carribean descent 😂😂😂😂

[@namelesssoul8098]

And they get mad when you tell them that Eminem isn’t the goat and he’s not even top 50 all time.

[@faraazkhan90]

​​@@user-ce8se4zs3jcarribean are blacks you 🍩. The correct term you should be saying is black American culture invented hip hop. Most of the hip hop artists are black Americans with a minority of carribean. Apart from herc, flash, bambataa, mc tee, freddy, and kangol kid, there wasn't any west Indian/carribean artist in early hip hop and they were all copying black American culture.

[@IAmAlmightyGod]

This is why I respect Jamaican reggae. They own their music and culture. If you want some reggae you're gonna buy it from a Jamaican. But it's like black people in America have to offer ownership of their culture to everyone!

[@FBASOULJA1526]

sorry but you are wrong Jamaicans copied from us. they would remake our song here in America,. this is a fact. look it up. the rhythms was called ska..

[@MarvluzAllTheTime]

Reggae artist copied F.B.A music

[@ghiss46]

Lmao

[@ghiss46]

Ok fba you can have that too what else

[@ghiss46]

Why no other rapper say what you saying

[@PBLCDMND]

Being "around" and being a "founder" are two things. The Blacks are the Founding Fathers. This is common sense here in Europe.

[@Black_unity597]

These dudes don’t know what they talking about! PRs were not in the parks Jamaicans were not in the park in the beginning they came later on but from the beginning they all looked down on the music it was called jungle bunny music Marano music cocola music and style of dance!

[@richardlewis3344]

My father 60 he was their

[@Bori-Domi-24]

I be honest Hip Hop was started by Black People then Puerto Ricans came second, DJing Breakdancing and some Puerto Ricans old school heads rappers as well in NYC South Bronx , then everyone else came to the picture like Jamaicans , Dominicans and Mexicans and some Whites like the Beastie Boys . Its Just my Opinion and Im Puerto Rican/Dominican ...

[@jamesstephens9702]

I was teenager in the west bronx nyc back in 1970s . What happenings is people are attempting to write them selves into history of hiphop music.

[@Bb99bb99kb]

Hiphop comes from BLK AMERICAN CULTURE PERIODT!!!!!

[@bloodshotfilms2]

Facts!!!!!!

[@shawnborton9523]

I was there, I was two or three back then baby dancing at the jams.we had a toddler B Boy gang in the P's.

[@mayalunics4740]

50/50...?! More like 90/10 when it comes to music. Puerto Ricans had contributions but weren't creators.

[@hanifmartin7505]

90/10 nah fam 100% fba whe not having none of it

[@mayalunics4740]

@@hanifmartin7505 Maybe I was being too generous as far as Puerto Ricans are concerned with the music.

[@MarvluzAllTheTime]

No, it was 100% F.B.A in its creation

[@mbp333]

This is Minnesota,i was there.there was a fly puerto rican in ever blaq crew but they was ball room dancers back then😂😂😂😂 please cut the fabled intrusion.

[@KennethPoint]

Kool Hec I don't believe came up with title Hip Hop but that party in 1973.

[@sunless0215]

Fat Joe was absolutely correct! I was there!

[@TMXPOZURZ]

Ok we need to recognize those folks he's talking about, what's their names?

[@rodneyholland3617]

You know nobody knew this was going to be hip hop we were just partying so it wasn’t a plan it just happened.

[@mr.jabbar6443]

But blacks don’t claim to have created basketball

[@kaykayjohnson9427]

This is still going on....on MICHEALWAYNETV. the PR in the BRONX in NYC have already added them as Co Creator of hip hop, Black p err people need to speak up now becau6they are now changing Black Cuture history under HipHop.

[@phil4ril]

I'm part puerto rican and know that hip hop comes from %100 black music. Hip hop wasn't even 50/50 latino in the prime of the reggaeton era. And if hip hop is puerto rican from the start then why is actual puerto rican rap so different. Even Big Pun said in Dream Shatterter they be swearin I'm blacker than coal.

[@robertbanks6960]

R&B introduced Hip Hop via Shaka Khan. However you can go further back and include James Brown

[@user-ko1id4vw8d]

Puerto Ricans was in the park as on lookers but they had No dime in that quarter. They lying if they say they did. All you got to prove is all the Black Americans groups that put out the music back when it started and beyond. What puerto rican hip hop group was in the 70's .... 80's.... there were none. Pun came along much later

[@hendersoncnc]

Who seen microphone check?

[@sunless0215]

Look it up....Plenas' is a style of Puerto Rican music with a highly syncopated rhythm and often satirical lyrics.

[@sunless0215]

We are different but in some ways the same! Do your research! 🇵🇷

[@TriggaPapi24]

Not every Rican got Afro ancestry like that if we’re talking just having any ancestry at all a lot of Latinos from every Latin country have varying percentages of African ancestry.

[@skillet6870]

American music forms: Spirituals, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Country, Gospel, Bluegrass, Folk, Rock n Roll, Doo-Wop, Soul, Funk, Disco, Punk, House and of course Rap and Hip Hop---all enjoy well documented African American roots coupled with undeniable Black American influence---whether directly or indirectly.. Latinos -- Puerto Ricans particularly -- please explain how you co-created or co-invented yet another installment in the legacy of Black Musical expression known as Rap and Hip Hop, yet didn't co-create or co-invent any of the elements of the 14 or so African American music forms that preceeded it? Or why you were nowhere to be found and absent during the creative and inventive foundation outlining the forms of African American musical expression, brilliance and greatness throughout, or even prior to the previous 14 or so African American music forms that are mentioned above. Yet then, all of a sudden--out of nowhere, you folks come along and falsely claim latinos and/or puerto ricans co-created and co-invented Rap and Hip Hop 50/50 half n half (which is the evidence-free and utter nonsense being peddled by Dr. Derrick Colon, radical latino, Fat Joe and numerous other un-informed and envious latinos---claims latinos never mentioned, verbalized or asserted during its inception in the early 1970's)---latinos claims of "50/50--half & half co-creation and co-invention just don't add up---it makes no sense and are increasingly coming under heavy scrutiny which is leading to these claims being easily debunked--widespread. Nice try though latinos and puerto ricans. Make it make sense Latinos

[@RyanGoodson]

If black Puerto Ricans claimed that they were black then they can share in the origin of hip hop but since you claim to be something else we can't share this with you.

[@Andrew-gq2ot]

Hip Hop hibbity to the Hop is the intro to Sugar Hill's 1979 song Rappers Delight. Lol And Latinos and Caribbeans didnt create the Funk, Disco, R&B nor the slang ( ebonics) style of dress or the dances. They merely participated in it. Saying Jamaican immigrants and Puerto Ricans created Hip Hop is like saying The Bee Gees created Disco or Elvis Pressley created Rock n Roll...,, Show us where this music and culture existed in the Caribbean, before immigration to America.

[@mr.jabbar6443]

Hip hop elements where around in the black community it really doesn’t come from New York it’s more to it than the Bronx

[@mayalunics4740]

No body anywhere else put it together like the Bronx. There was components and influences from before but nothing existed like Hip Hop as we know it today.

[@mr.jabbar6443]

@@mayalunics4740 I give Bronx props but black culture is bigger then the small Bronx

[@mr.jabbar6443]

@@mayalunics4740I give the Bronx props yeah it came out the Bronx with all the elements together but blacks in the south been doing what you think was only done in the Bronx shit Chicago is where soul train came from that’s where all blacks got their moves from guess where most blacks Chicagoans are from Mississippi the south is the seed 1970 in Chicago was just as popping as New York

[@mayalunics4740]

@@mr.jabbar6443 I give all of the different regions their props. The Philly Sound, Motown, Stax, Sweet Home Chicago, New Orleans etc. The topic here is Hip Hop and I know no one did it like New York City in the 70s.

[@mr.jabbar6443]

@@mayalunics4740 that’s your opinion we can agree to disagree

[@Bb99bb99kb]

And koo hurc is not the end all be all. That lie about him being the father has already been debunked

[@gregoryk6279]

All music Is black expect latina cha cha

[@vieshanblacksloft426]

We were there

[@michaelgalan5527]

Know your history the first DJ to come out to the park was a Puerto Rican cat named Mario

[@marqueeent.1814]

Who was his Mc, another plumber named Luigi?

[@real1430]

@@marqueeent.1814 Right, and his baby mama was named Princess Toadstool. They stay trying to take what's OURS.

[@uptownbladebrown]

Mario was not puerto rican. He was american from sc

[@gilbertbrown4183]

Mario was not Puerto Rican. Stop the cap bro.

[@breezeway3410]

​@uptownbladebrown Yup! But hey we got a GREAT DOCUMENTARY coming from our solid 'FBA' Brotha Tariq Nasheed that's gone CLEAR UP ALLLLLLL the 🐂💩!!! That they keep coming wit, man I can't wait for this joint 2 drop! Truth and heat 🔥 from the original 'FBA' pioneers of 'Hip Hop'✊🏾

[@jeffking220]

No bambatta didn't say hip hop 1st. Hippity hopper was a derogatory term from b boy which is a derogatory term boy yoy yoings. And floorsweepers. Bambatta did not invent the term hip hop. And Smokey and the Smokatrons and Disco King Mario and the chuck city crew. Also DJ John Brown was rockin.

[@crownjewelent8607]

Pale man didn't create basketball

[@user-eo2xk3fe9u]

fat joe music always been trash

[@vespasianflavius8778]

You could also say it started in Europe under the name of flyting.

[@FBASOULJA1526]

are u serious? man...we cant have nothing

[@rodneyholland3617]

No contributors!!!

[@irvinmadison7169]

Mantronix, Crazy legs,Tony Touch,Big Pun,FatJoe,and a bunch of graffiti writers

[@user-ko1id4vw8d]

They were not there in the 70 and 80's rapping maybe b boyin pertaining to crazy legs but yeah that was later on and that's a dancer. Graffiti artist wow you desperate.

[@user-ko1id4vw8d]

Dude the Black guy carried the so called Spanish guy in mantronix who I believe was white anyway

[@user-ko1id4vw8d]

Tony touch he barely could get into "The Fever we was like nah 😅

[@xavier6158]

Big dude talks alot

[@juicepedraz941]

Big dude in red talking sh latin breaks where used in the beginning for the breakers and who created the continuous spinning on the floor

[@pigvomit_50..]

Porkchop Ricans have no culture. Ya need blacks to be relavent

[@roybabineaux5353]

There's no such thing as Latin breaks, only the copied breaks from black Americans you used. There's nothing in America we got from anyone especially Latins, but Latin copied from us, it's a fact.

[@juicepedraz941]

@@roybabineaux5353 the spins the puerto ricans created was new not copied the black bboys copied if anything. And the latin breaks was from songs like apache and others latin breaks is the part of the song you hear the conga drums black Americans was not playing the congas drums

[@roybabineaux5353]

@juicepedraz941 just stop your saying nonsense. People were spinning already, and the congos were from Africa, not Puerto Rico, so this notion you created something is ridiculous.

[@juicepedraz941]

@@roybabineaux5353 nobody never did windmills backspins continuous head spins before the black bboys copied all that from the puerto ricans. And we are mix with african so we use african instruments but in America the black Americans did not use those instruments

[@richardlewis3344]

What about Jamaican?

[@kennethjackson1771]

what about them?

[@FBASOULJA1526]

THEY COPIED US DUDE

[@arkeif]

These guys don't really know what they are talking about either

[@BringingDownTheBand]

I'm sure you're the expert on that. 😅🥴

[@arkeif]

@@BringingDownTheBand Well I am an actual eyewitness. Not going by what I heard. I'm not trying to diss. People that weren't there only know what they've been told.

[@AnthonyGarcia-be8ib]

Hip hop was called or named by African bambaataa after the elements came together not before but after this is why fat joe say that hip hop was a 50 / 50 black and puerto ricans that created these arts of hip hop in which the pioneers of breakdance are the puerto ricans the history of the south bronx and many parts of new york geographically consisted mostly the blacks and puerto ricans ...the history and still some people is alive today as a true eye witnesses and there is voice and video records and documents that cannot lie 🤥 ....let's out it this way for short if it wasn't for the puerto ricans bringing their elements of arts to this table God would of not put those words in Africa Bambaataa to say " hip hop" it would of been called "rhyming beats culture " because hip hop is a action words of movement's more then just merely words of rap and beats sounds when in the other hand puerto ricans bring the movement's of hip hop ....and to add to this remember the puerto ricans kept the African sounds alive with our own salsa beats of bongos/ congas/ timbales / palitos/ then later on we added the cuatro and many other instruments....yes in all actuality hip hop was a black and puerto rican thing the pioneers together had formed the most impacted culture of music and dancing call hip hop that affected every race and countries around the world sprung from the ghettos of New York by the blacks and puerto ricans trickling down to the graffiti artists that consisted of different race of people then later we added the human beat box ...hey the show must go on !! PEACE ✌ LOVE AND UNITY ...REMEMBER UNITED WE STAND AND DEVIDED WE FALL ...THE ENEMY IS VERY AWARE OF THIS SO STAY ON GUARD

[@MarvluzAllTheTime]

Wrong the creators and pioneers of breakdancing were F.B.A

[@sheilajames8937]

And we're not African we're not African that's what the white man told us to officially still our land. We are first Israelites who traveled th o America to become the native American Indians, like who my father was and my grandmother's on both sides. Now how many black Americans do you know have said they have Indian in there family. If you could see my father who had the most beautiful silver curly hair and my mother who who had the most beautiful lost hair and the same thing with some of my other friends you would know with no doubt that we are are natural American Indians. We are not Africans, ,we're different

[@MaryLou913]

Sheila shut d’fuhq up! We are Africans. Quit the self-hate.

[@pigvomit_50..]

You're a subsaharan west African descendants. That came from the slave trade. Stop believing pseudo fantasies

[@masterdelrap]

Many of the so-called founding fathers of hip hop were of Latin American and/or Caribbean origin, including DJ Kool Herc (Jamaican), DJ Disco Wiz (Puerto Rican and Cuban descent), Grandmaster Flash (Bajan), and Afrika Bambaataa (Jamaican and Bajan descent).Aug 24, 2023

[@AnthonyGarcia-be8ib]

Bingo

[@chinablack9790]

Like you said.... 'so- called founding fathers'!!

[@josesandra1946]

I really need to comment on this. I was born and raised in South Bronx. I lived in Fulton and Claremont raised in Fordham road, Sedgwick avenue. Yes they were jams in that park but they were jams too at Echo Park , Webster Park. I grew up at Park avenue, 187th Street. There was a lot of Puerto Ricans and blacks that United together to bring the battles I remember all the jams that they used to have in the park. This thing about going back and forth about only black people creating hip hop. It was a collaboration of a lot of people. Africa bambaataa the Zulu Nation at Bronx River projects the crew la familia. They were Puerto Ricans , A lot of different flavors blacks and Latinos together but I got to say yes the brothers. Yeah they took it mainstream but the Puerto Ricans that were there had a big part of history of street music called hip Hop.

[@KoolKeithProductions]

lol NO. You PRs weren't hanging around with no blks in the 70s. Yall was still tryna claim that yall were WHITE. Stop the LIES!!!

[@kennard87]

Wrong it's a FBA creation

[@johnroe4551]

We don't care where you were born... You are still a FOREIGNER

[@Danny-fs1hk]

@@kennard87👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@kennard87]

@@Danny-fs1hk I'm talking about the mid sixties and 71 when only black people were doing our culture our thang, when the prs called it jungle music. Racist Puerto Ricans called black people monkeys etc Moreno's etc stop our elders told the truth about y'all

[@rubenace23]

South Bronx is the birthplace of Hip-Hop, it comes to no surprise that the intermingling of Puerto Rican and West Indies along with Black styles are the main contributors to the basic Hip-Hop essence.

[@Asiatic57]

You know Hip Hop was BLACK FOUNDED. Why you think Hispanics talk and act Black, why you think they say NIGGA so much???..that's how BLACK PEOPLE talk. They ain't say Nigga Nigga Nigga until BLACKS did. They lived around us so they ended up walking, talking, and being like us...and now they wanna take OUR culture from us. Gtfoh...Hip Hop is 100% Black created PERIOD!

[@johnroe4551]

Where are the Caribbean elements then? You all are FOREIGNERS! Don't forget that

[@jahmainemason559]

@@johnroe4551 cool Herc was not a foreigner it was a Jamaican America. African Bambaataa cool Herc, grandmaster flash, and created hip-hop. that’s history

[@user-ce8se4zs3j]

​@@johnroe4551 black americans came on botas chained SO your the real foreiner

[@lockvegas05]

@@jahmainemason559they all are acculturated cosplayers of black American culture . Please quit it ! 😂😂😂😂

[@darinjohnson1185]

A white man didnt create basketball, he took the architect from our basket (bassCat) games we played in various cultures...he commercialized it big difference...which is why he cinstantly.needs us to evolve the game 😂

[@BringingDownTheBand]

Stop

[@darinjohnson1185]

​@BringingDownTheBand 😂 stop what 😂😂 he didn't he bit it, re pacackaged it like most things it came.from an idea already in existence i.e the dispensary, moon shine, tobacco rolling...poetic rhymes over rhythmic influence (jazz, street banging, scat) etc...these are our things that make.american culture what it is...once again tell me why don't white man have the recorde in basketball if they truly created it and or "invented" it...I'll wait 😂😂

[@BringingDownTheBand]

@@darinjohnson1185 a has nothing to do with b

[@AnthonyGarcia-be8ib]

Sir do your research throughly...white man invented basketball 🏀 and game the blacks made it popular...just like Michael Jackson made the moonwalk or backalide popular but he did not created this dance

[@sunless0215]

its birth and development were a joint creative effort of African American and Latino Afro Caribbean youngsters, particularly, Puerto Ricans. Period!

[@gilbertbrown4183]

One minute sloppy joe said Latin, Caribbean, Jamaican music comes from African culture and Puerto Ricans are Black. Guy is a walking contradiction.

[@BoricuaNyc]

NewYorkRicans🇵🇷🗽💯💎

[@real1430]

Did not help CREATE our culture...they made contributions and that's about it

[@pigvomit_50..]

Nuyoricans have no culture. Ya need black people to be relavent. Embarrassing

[@airforceups1]

It was half and half check Puerto Ricans were in the Zulu Nation

[@belieto2]

Puerto ricans black Taíno and Spanish ...funny thing the moors a group of black people enslaved and colonized spain that's how we came to be .

[@pigvomit_50..]

Ya mostly Spaniard conquistador Ricky Martin types. Stop the cap

[@pigvomit_50..]

The moors were not black. They were north African Berbers.

[@belieto2]

@@pigvomit_50.. That is completely false .there name literally means black lol

[@pigvomit_50..]

@@belieto2 no it doesn't. Moors or morro means someone not Nordic white. Like the Berber north Africans. Who are just Mediterranean brown Caucasoids. The Berbers are the moors. And subsaharan Negroid Africans have nothing to do with the moors. Up until the 16th hundreds when the moors started enslaving subsaharan west black Africans. To be servants.

[@roybabineaux5353]

​@@pigvomit_50..stop posting people will think your stupid.

[@harryx6968]

It's true, a lot of old graffiti writers were Puerto ricans

[@gregoryhawkins9897]

But the first graffiti writer name was cornbread who was African-American from Philly

[@robertcortez3526]

What about the other elements. You didn't mention music because you know what the truth is

[@claudiakramer4516]

Graffiti isn't relevant

[@DevineDestiny0316]

Puerto Rican didn't create it tho 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@carlmiller8384]

⁠@@claudiakramer4516it is revelant because that is part of hip hop

[@Alleymurphy-ge6ek]

No, Puerto Ricans was in the park. No, Puerto Ricans was at the parties and how can fat Joe talk about something when he wasn’t even there

[@hemanperdomo790]

This is like salsa, as a puertorican i used to take credit for salsa. But after research you find out salsa music was made by black people and latin people getting in a room and mixing it up till you get mash called salsa (sauce) it was the ghetto that created salsa not any specific nationality. same with hiphop was made by the ghetto the struggle not by any nationality. The majority of the people living in these ghettos are?? Really dumb discussion, hiphop has heritage not a nationality and fatjoe aintshit.

[@BoricuaNyc]

Salsa was invented with Cuban🇨🇺and Boricuas🇵🇷together

[@MrSivram28]

Arsenio rodrigouez an afro cuban created Salsa.

[@MarvluzAllTheTime]

Nope!

[@kardowalkermusic]

To be very honest, Africa started hip hop. KRS-1 explained about this and all the elements of the culture is explained perfectly from what he stated.

[@smarke76]

Africa ain't starting no hip hop. If that's the case where were they. Hip Hop was started by American blacks.

[@kardowalkermusic]

@@smarke76 When you look into what "hip' and "hop" actually means and understand how Africans started using hip hop as a intangible consciousness, then you'll understand.

[@SeeJayTML]

Fam stop nobody was pushing for credit of hip hop back in early 2000s and 90s when it was not as popular and profitable. Also a African trying too claim credit for hip hop is hilarious. Being that most don’t even like black Americans go sit down

[@GoblinGoodfella]

Show videos from the late 70s and Early 80s of Africans doing Hiphop? Name atleast 3 African Hip-hop artist in the 1985!

[@2tyme205]

Lmao 😂right not only that them Caribbean’s too I never heard no Jamaican say that’s fresh mon lmao never now latch tinos and them Caribbean’s trying to claim kardo need to stay them drugs

[@xavier6158]

Watch beat street say no more

[@mikelee9612]

😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆

[@BruceSwitzer-yq1yy]

Beat Street is a MOVIE, not a History Lesson 😄

[@roybabineaux5353]

Beat Street proves nothing in fact crazy legs admitted he learned from black Americans.

[@chrischiles3012]

Zesty African Americans came up with a zesty culture ..hoping on hips thats what that meant ..hip hop ..yall could claim this one 😂😂 we want no parts African badda whatever ..was really hooing on yall hips thinking yall hip hoping recans the plug 🔌 we on different type time

[@FBASOULJA1526]

YOU SOUND LIKE YOU HAVE MENTAL PROBLEM BRO

[@robluv4592]

DominicanS Puerto Ricans & only NYC blacks created hip hop .wake you I was there

[@kennard87]

Pr are racist asf

[@pigvomit_50..]

Dominicans was not liked by blacks or porkchop Ricans. And porkchop Ricans don't even have a culture. They need blacks to be relavent

[@roybabineaux5353]

That was funny lol now show us what you Puerto Ricans created.

[@user-ko1id4vw8d]

Dominicans!!! Awe come on yall going to far with this 🧢 capping

[@mr.jabbar6443]

Without the south there is no hip hop

[@twistwist777]

Purto ricans are a mix of spanish, indian and africans.

[@jaysteve8048]

Latinos (Puerto Ricans) had a small hand its creation, but to suggest it was 50/50 half and half is quite a stretch and historically inaccurate.

[@robertcortez3526]

They didn't create any of it

[@wood1441]

Yeah salsa dancing

[@tamirk8299]

They created nothing hop hop . It was 100% FBA . When hip hop was becoming commercialized that's when 1% of Puerto Ricans began to participate in the culture and of that few 0.05% of them made any tangible impact . And 50 years later ain't nothin changed, there impact still insignificant. FOH!

[@MarvluzAllTheTime]

They had absolutely no hand in the creation of hip hop that's a lie

[@robluv4592]

Hip hop is 1980s NYC teens

[@kennard87]

It's fba culture

[@BruceSwitzer-yq1yy]

1970s Teens

[@rubenace23]

nothing to be proud of but yeah puerto ricans been there since day 1

[@jaimerodriguez1550]

The graffiti artists and breakdancers were probably more latino, the music was probably more black

[@tonydavila6594]

Why in the Hell are You Guys making a Big thing over who started this Music BS? Who Cares, Let's say it was Black People, (Don't Matter) Eminem Perfected It...

[@GlobalK]

LOL. No, he didn’t.

[@KDashSix]

Perfected long before he came in the game… He’s just the worst thing since Elvis Presley to use it selfishly to make himself wealthy - per his own words.

[@GlobalK]

@@KDashSix Speak on it, fam!

[@kennard87]

Yeah ok

[@tonydavila6594]

@@KDashSix Says You, According to JAY-Z, LLCOOLJ, Dr Dre, 50 cent, etc., etc., etc., Eminem is a lyricist, and According to Eminem's Bank Account I believe they're Right... 🤦‍♂️

[@rubenace23]

South Bronx is the birthplace of Hip-Hop, it comes to no surprise that the intermingling of Puerto Rican and West Indies along with Black styles are the main contributors to the basic Hip-Hop essence.

[@real1430]

The culture is 100 PERCENT BLACK AMERICAN...everyone else made contributions, but they didn't HELP create it.

[@miguelcorleone6633]

Yes, Bronx is the birth place of HipHop. Foundation of HipHop is Black Americans. Black Americans, Jamaicans/West Indies n NuyuRicans built the culture.

[@rubenace23]

@@miguelcorleone6633 The foundation of everything is black brother

[@uptownbladebrown]

@@miguelcorleone6633 yall didnt build anything. Yall could never participate in hip hop again it woukd still be just as good

[@miguelcorleone6633]

@@uptownbladebrown neither did u cuz u never put in the work.