New Papyrus Discovered Containing Sayings of Jesus!

Papyrus Oxyrhynchus 5575 has just been published. It is a new text containing sayings of Jesus, tentatively dated to the 2nd Century CE.
This document appears to be a collection of sayings about worry, primarily drawing from the Gospel of Thomas, Luke 12 and Matthew 6.
Links for more information:
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The text itself is available in: Volume 87 of The Oxyrhynchus Papyri. Edited by Peter J. Parsons and Nikolaos Gonis. London: Egypt Exploration Society, 2023
A summary of the contents may be found at: www.nasscal.com/e-clavis-chri...
There are several scholars discussing this on Twitter using the hashtag #POxy5575 hashtag/POxy5575?...
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[@podacre]

Nice accessible summary, and I appreciate your nice synopsis. What intrigues me is that Gospel of Thomas 63 parallels Luke 12.16-21 (and I have argued that Thomas's version is derived from Luke's), and so the author of the work to which this fragment witnesses does seem to be following Luke's order.

[@TabletsAndTemples]

Thanks Mark. I've followed some of your preliminary discussions on Twitter. I look forward to reading your further thoughts.

[@josephthomas2226]

"Thomas" has 3 types of sayings. Some are nearly identical to sayings in the 4 gospels. Some sound like something the biblical Jesus WOULD have said. And some are more "out there" and seem to reflect Gnostic thought in the mid-second century, quite unlike the sayings in the 4 canonical gospels.

[@KenDavis761]

Nice work Lachlan!

[@edwardmiessner6502]

Splendid presentation! Very informative.

[@TabletsAndTemples]

Glad you liked it!

[@amsumalivallaart2805]

Word!!!!!!! Really cooooooooolllllll

[@TabletsAndTemples]

It's certainly interesting

[@SydneyApplebaum]

Funny, i recently pulled these texts together (except for thomas) becuase I'm teaching a bible study related to the idea of wealth and provision.

[@DavidAmis19]

Very educational!

[@TabletsAndTemples]

Thank you for watching!

[@josephthomas2226]

thanks for a good overview. Very helpful! I would, however, take issue with the statement that this tells us that early Christian communities were ok with fluidity of the text. You cannot derive that conclusion from this one fragment. I think that is overstating the case. We COULD say that whoever wrote P Oxy 5575 was comfortable quoting (apparently from memory, as it seems to be paraphrased) from multiple sources regarding sayings of Jesus - including, it seems, "Thomas". Perhaps he thought Thomas was scriptural, or maybe he thought it contained useful information, but was not scriptural. No way to know from this small sample. Today, I might quote verses from memory from more than 1 gospel, mixed in with a quote from CS Lewis or William Lane Craig and none of them would be exact, but that would not necessarily mean I was OK with a loose rendering of scripture, or that I thought Lewis or Craig were inspired.

[@andrewmole745]

Yes - you match my thinking entirely. It is interesting that the dating does not eliminate some of the later dates proposed for Thomas.

[@journeylife7491]

OR, it could be that there was no structure at all, but a conglomeration of stories from various salesmen until final compositions later after 150 CE or 200 CE. In other words, nothing or no one was really there before 100 CE, but Jewish revolts and heroic fiction.

[@josephthomas2226]

@@journeylife7491 except that the evidence does not support that. There are many many quotations from the 4 gospels prior to 150, and none from any other sources. The church before 300 quoted from the 4 gospels thousands of times, and only quoted non-canonical gospels to refute them. your theory doesn't hold water historically and is from nutjobs like Dan Brown, not from actual historians.

[@RichardDCook]

@@josephthomas2226 However 3 of the 4 gospels themselves freely mix quotes from multiple sources, re-ordering them as necessary to fit their narrative framework. That another work comes along doing the same thing is to be expected.

[@josephthomas2226]

@@RichardDCook yes, the gospel authors absolutely had no problems changing the order, and paraphrasing dialogue. Luke used the narrative device of time compression (the post-res appearances seem to happen in about 48 hours in his gospel, but he tells us that they took 40 days in Acts). I STILL would not extrapolate what the author of this papyrus did and say it it necessarily typical of the early christians accepting later documents like Thomas. If it were typical, we'd see a LOT more of it. It's not like we don't have many thousands of pages of Ante-Nicene christian writing! They quote the NT extensively (and they often paraphrased their quotes, as they were probably quoting from memory) but they only quote Thomas to refute it.

[@katiec3935]

Seems to be someones notebook

[@journeylife7491]

These early writings indicate that the derivation of the sayings and stories of Jesus and his emissaries are from preceding sources of Jewish heroic fiction and then heroic tales of small communities influenced by different Jewish revolts and zealots; malleable stories shaped by various purposes that ultimately took on a life of its own as a whole. Because of the latter "widespread interest" in "who are the Jews" upon the destruction of Jerusalem, these malleable stories evolved dramatically, morphing into "a popular man" a century later with books upon books filling in "gaps of questions" for various reasons by random writers. In other words, there was no one superhero with apostles present really there that saved the day or who actually played a decisive role or brought about substantial change in historical events.

[@zacharyevans8152]

Why would the Jews contrive a myth about a man who advocated peace and paying taxes to Caesar?

[@RichardDCook]

Here we were having a nice chat about actual scholarship and somebody injects stuff out of Piers Anthony novels or wherever that nonsense is derived from.

[@kamilgregor]

Do you have the Greek?

[@TabletsAndTemples]

Check EW forum link in the description

[@zimriel]

There is a synopsis in PDF downloadable here: evangelicaltextualcriticism.blogspot.com/2023/09/synopsis-of-poxy-5575-matt-luke-and.html Still lacking Justin's "first apology" chapter 15 in Greek but you can readily find that, and splice it into the PDF yourself. That's what I had to do . . .

[@360Roko]

Honey, a new gnostic fake just dropped !

[@Breakthewheelorg]

What is the portrait of Jesus in the thumbnail? Jesus was Aryan. Dont fall for the all-new, so enlightened perspectives of today.

[@aurelusentertainment5303]

Do you think, Jesus Christ was the white person portrayed in Hollywood movies ?

[@aurelusentertainment5303]

Do you think, Jesus Christ was the white person portrayed in Hollywood movies ?

[@Breakthewheelorg]

@aurelusentertainment5303 No. I think Jesus Christ was God who came in the form of man to save the world. The child that at the very moment of birth was known as King by the Magi. Where did Magi come from? Who were the nobility and royal lines of the Magi's charge? I swear you people are incredibly uneducated and must be told what to think. Use your brain and become culturally intelligent.