*NEW* Red Wing Beckman Review in Cigar Excalibur Leather (9422)

[@tony_r_pierce]

This is the first KZbin video I have seen of the new Beckman 9422, and I'm happy people are sharing their thoughts. I also bought this model soon as it was available. I bought mine in the same size as my Iron Rangers, which is half-size-down from my Brannock measurement. Out of the box I thought mine looked a little small, but they fit perfectly -- my foot volume is lower than most, I think. For boots constructed in the USA, I wasn't too put off by the price, but I do have "nicer" $400 boots. Thanks for the video!

[@YouShoe-1985]

@@tony_r_pierce yeah I agree the price is right about where it should be for these but I do wish they made a 12.5.

[@Vultain]

​​@@YouShoe-1985I really wish they made a 12.5D as well, I am contemplating whether the 13D is at all possibly with an insole or if I am better off to skip it and see what Red Wing has for store come February at their anniversary? I talked to a corporate rep in store(touring and education for the Beckman and Alpine Launch) during the buy two for $112 a piece and was informed all their anniversary boots should be coming out then. Knock on wood of course.

[@freakyfighter5]

What would you consider as better $400 boots? I too have lower volume/ narrow feet. I did just buy the beckmans as well 😊

[@heogu3588]

Do you think lenght is the same on IR and Beckman? I've IR in 11.5(11is slightly short on right foot) 11.5 lengtwise is perfect put require an insole to accommodate the volume.

[@tony_r_pierce]

@@heogu3588My pairs appear to be same length visually and on feet.

[@SeriousMist]

Very usefull review ! The calm voice is a huge bonus 🤗 Thank you for the sizing advice.

[@nateeaton1]

I like the simplicity of the heel. It sets it apart from other service boots. Thanks for a good review. I’m considering getting a pair in cigar. I like the understated style.

[@benjaminbootn]

Great pair of boots. I started my boot journey with RWs and bought only RWs for a time. But once I tried different bootmakers I found it difficult to go back. RW is also available in locally in my country. But the appeal of trying different leathers from different tanneries and soles options is too great. But I must admit when I saw the announcement for these Beckman's I was tempted. Even more so after your video!

[@YouShoe-1985]

@@benjaminbootn good point. I have gone back and forth with RWs and I kinda think I always will.

[@SeriousMist]

RW is a love and hate, back and forth brand. At some point they highly disapoint but I can’t get rid of them. Like most of my vehicules, the ones that were not perfect are the ones I regret having sold the most.

[@tonydragon784]

​@@SeriousMist Iron Rangers really are the Crown Victoria of boots

[@nateeaton1]

Looking forward to an update review! 😃

[@gnarl12]

Same here

[@ufooooooooooooooooo]

12:00 👏👏👏 this! This right here, been looking for opinions on sizing other than just "same as IR, Blacksmith, No.8 but more slim" I have an old pair in cherry that are slightly looser than my same size IR. Local places hardly carry these so sizing is a big question. For around 460 you can actually order the 9060 from japan and I might consider it having wider feet and being happy with the no.8 last. Still happy they brought it back stateside though.

[@jamesincharlotte]

I have original 9016 cigar leather color . One hell of a boot to break in but the color they age is !!!!!! Yes !!! Beautiful btw I have 3 pair original Beckmann love em all.

[@panair4126]

Great boots & good review. Thank you 😊

[@YouShoe-1985]

@@panair4126 thanks for the comment!

[@Joe-pe6qi]

Really nice pair of boots and qc are usually good on Red Wings. Bit confused that they changed the last to a more dressy last and then decided to put speedhooks on it which then makes it less dressy? Also wish they had released them in wide sizes.

[@YouShoe-1985]

@@Joe-pe6qi I don’t think about the speed hooks but you’ve got a great point.

[@gnarl12]

They were probably trying to differentiate them more

[@JinsKookieJams]

*For $400, it would look much better with a leather heel stack with a rubber toplift. It looks a bit odd without the leather heel stack. The uppers do look nice though! Good tip about the sizing!*

[@YouShoe-1985]

@@JinsKookieJams I agree

[@Trex100]

I’d say it’s a great boot for 400 bucks. I like the heel stack.

[@jaredsells]

12:02 Got mine today at Red Wing’s Warehouse Sale! I wear 9 EE Iron Rangers and 9.5 EE Moc Toe but my sneaker size is 10. These are true to size. The 10 D fits and feels perfect.

[@YouShoe-1985]

@@jaredsells nice! Thanks for the sizing info

[@gnarl12]

​@@YouShoe-1985I'm also TTS in the new Beckman. 9.5 D brannock and 9 D in the No 8 last

[@NDB469]

Love redwings but was also hoping the return of the Beckham would be more like the older versions, but these look very nice also, more of a dressy option but still functional as an everyday boot.

[@Trex100]

The color you chose really grew on me. They’re skinny Blacksmiths with a midsole. Cool.

[@UnknownUser-rb9pd]

I'm the same size as you (13D) and find the same problems with the lack of half sizes above US12 from a number of brands. I usually go US13D and use insoles. I have a large collection of insoles from many brands that I've collected over the years and includes everything from thin leather insoles with a couple of millimetres of padding, superfeet and other orthotic insoles and even a few more supportive insoles harvested from running shoes that I've owned in the past. I can usually find something that takes up the space and without crushing my toes. It also makes hard leather footbeds more forgiving. Often brands like Thursday boots get criticised but they do offer half sizes up to US13 in their American made Vanguard and up to size US14 in some of their other boots unlike internet favourites like Grant Stone.

[@YouShoe-1985]

Great point about Thursdays, and I probably should just size up and use an insole but I love breaking in the leather insole

[@UnknownUser-rb9pd]

@@YouShoe-1985 I agree there is something satisfying about that but I find even broken-in traditionally made boots with leather footbeds generally get a little uncomfortable with my skinny feet (high arches, thin footpads) after two to three miles of walking on pavements or hard surfaces. I also own a lot of British and European boots and they are more frequently true to size so I have broken plenty of boots in the traditional way (and still do) but now I am older and heavier I find that using a lightly cushioned leather insole or even an EVA insole harvested from a pair of running shoes extends the time and distance I can wear boots comfortably. This also applies to wedge soled boots with leather footbeds. This is an interest for me and this sort of boot are not something I have ever actually needed to wear so if I decide to wear traditional boots for more than a few hours at a time I usually grab a pair that I can put a cushioned insole into or use a pair of Thursday boots or similar.

[@hughanderson7285]

As easily as those went on, they’ll be perfect after 10 days worn.

[@YouCanChangeYourWorldToday]

For $400 they could’ve added in a leather heel stack. Wouldn’t hurt anyone….

[@YouShoe-1985]

That would have been nice

[@jorge23483]

Well, what a beauty 🤩. I really love boots with that kind of leather midsole and rubber outsole. It’s kind of confusing the new lasting size fi. Fortunately for you it appears that it fit. A shame they didn’t make them with the unstructured toe like the Japanese Beckman. I do agree with your opinion about QC, the IR are not getting cheaper and at least a good QC should be essential. Thank you for the video.

[@YouShoe-1985]

@@jorge23483 thanks for the comment! Also these would have been amazing with an unstructured toe, not sure why they don’t offer that as an option for us. Maybe it’s a warranty issue?

[@Vultain]

​@@YouShoe-1985They wanted it to be mirror shine capable. The soft toe design of the 9060 is actually that of a last 8 upper Blacksmith with the toe stiffener removed.

[@thomashardy1851]

I'd like for them to release the beckman flatbox.

[@YouShoe-1985]

me too

[@Will-yp6ny]

I can’t do Red Wings anymore… I love all my Iron Rangers after I had to drop an extra $200-$300 to put a proper thick leather midsole, new soles and welt. These boots are beautiful but I still think Parkhurst offers a superb product at the same price range. Great job bud!

[@YouShoe-1985]

Thanks!

[@gnarl12]

The Parkhurst last turns in very sharply at the toes and isn't good for my feet

[@JRRob3wn]

@@gnarl12They updated their last - both the 602 and the 618 now have more room in the toe box. I sold my old pair and bought the new last and they now fit like a dream.

[@gnarl12]

​@@JRRob3wnyep I tried the 602M. Still wasn't what I was looking for sadly.

[@JRRob3wn]

@ Too bad, Oak Street might work for you then. They are absurdly large on me, but might be just what you are looking for. Also White’s MPs have a pretty roomy toe box.

[@JRRob3wn]

I just ordered these, they get delivered tomorrow. I’m unsure whether I’ll keep them though, I’m not loving that rubber heel. If they don’t blow me away in I’ll probably order some white’s MPs in British Tan instead.

[@notasbajassf4452]

I have and love the previous version of the Beckman. Yet I like the sleeker and slimmer look of this one. It's a good contrast to the Iron Ranger which has a bulbous front and more heft overall. Why would Red Wing make two models that are very similar?

[@troutbumandsam5394]

I own a bunch of RW but now we are approaching Truman price-wise....also offer in W as well, please//all the best, troutbumandsam

[@YouShoe-1985]

@@troutbumandsam5394 thanks for the comment!

[@gnarl12]

It'll probably come along in a EE eventually

[@EdAb]

They really remind me of my Willistons in Teak Featherstone. Mine appear to have a pointier toe, leather lined, no rolled collar, and no speed hooks. Do you happen to know the difference between the 220 and 224 lasts? Thanks for the video!

[@Vultain]

From what I have heard the 220 had it's own patterning and almost always fit TTS, the new 224 last is slimmed down as well but fits a half a size in most cases above your Iron Ranger size. They adjusted the HTB for that specifically. Overall the 224 uses the modern day Beckman uppers but they used the toebox more of the Williston. In my experience the insole is a full size half smaller from a moc toe to a full size smaller than the last 8 when checking the length I have. I have a larger high in-step low volume but long toes so your mileage will vary.

[@NogGonnaMakeIt]

I just bought these for $250 on sale. I bought my iron ranger size, like you, unfortunately. Are you able to wear thinner socks and be comfortable since there's a midsole?

[@YouShoe-1985]

Good question, I had to return because it was too tight

[@ludwigkhoury6813]

Beautiful boots, but they should not have been named Beckman. Beckman 2.0 maybe? It's a marketing stunt to sell to those who felt they mised out on the original - which, by the way looked more distinctive

[@YouShoe-1985]

@@ludwigkhoury6813 I agree original was better.

[@Vultain]

​@@YouShoe-1985The original had the farm and country last 8 and upper. Most of the sizing issues on the original Beckman were people simply not accounting for boot socks. The original Beckman was intended for men's dress socks and people needed to half size up if they intended to wear modern day boot socks. I have an 11.5D 9411, beautiful boots and my best fit! But I have to wear them with non cushion dress socks. If I wanted to wear my boot socks I would have needed a 12D. I think people didn't realize how much the lining and the way the toebox was made different. It didn't have a bump toe per say but was overall wider than a modern day Red Wing. The original reason for the Roccia Outsole was to accommodate the bigger footprint of the boot. The OG Beckman was originally patterned with a real leather sole and a half leather soled heel. Unfortunately a lack of education on how to care for it. Featherstone being a mineral tanned hide(actual metals) and a finish made for penetrants such as pine and mineral spirits(Saphir products). Made it so people wondered why their conditioners would just sit on top! I think the original Beckman could have been their best boot ever with proper salesman education and better knowledge given on the website! Overall it was the sheer unadulterated number of returns that killed this boot and started its discontinuation. It was very much a victim of misinformation and miseducation on part of the salesman and the consumer and a true pity. It was my best fitting Red Wing(ready to wear boot) and I would truly love to find another.

[@antonioromulodelcarmen283]

Great review! Was on the fence on getting these as I still have the older 9016 Cigar Featherstone. Looks like I’ll pass for now. I just find that my IRs and BSs age better than these BMs (IMHO). But good luck on these. They’re still RWs!

[@YouShoe-1985]

Thanks!

[@waxedearth5425]

I’m 11.5 EE in Moc’s and 12D in IR/Blacksmith. After watching this video (thank you, your videos are great 👍🏻), I’m afraid there might not be enough width in the toebox for me :(

[@YouShoe-1985]

@@waxedearth5425 thanks for the comment!

[@matthewhorton2835]

That boot would look epic in Hawthorne Rough Out.

[@YouShoe-1985]

It would

[@kirillsergueev191]

Nice! Thank you!

[@YouShoe-1985]

@@kirillsergueev191 thanks for the comment!

[@aldrinpanlaqui6056]

I wonder is i should size up in my moc toes 875? Im 10d in 875.

[@YouShoe-1985]

@@aldrinpanlaqui6056 not sure I haven’t had a pair to know how they compare

[@matttherrien9608]

Don't size up.

[@Al_lan]

Hmmm…you have me thinking. I need a house shoe. Any ideas? 😊

[@YouShoe-1985]

@@Al_lan I just get the cheap ones and replace them every other year or so.

[@Sturnburn772]

birkenstock boston

[@peace7680]

Nice!

[@brunonjezic6208]

They are really well done. I tried them other day. I was surprised im 12d in them wile i go full down in Iron rangers and merchant 11.5 in postman and mocks. Same as i am in Wesco. They run true to size in full sense im 12c/b htb and 11.5c htt low volume low instep mid arc. Width is on the narrow side around c

[@brunonjezic6208]

They are 450e in Europe. Quality control is up from regular line in my experience and those speed hooks are same like 9060

[@armandocamara690]

I like my 2003 Beckman better which has no speed hooks. This looks exactly like the Blacksmith.

[@ivanska3099]

Looks nothing like the Blacksmith. Different last.

[@armandocamara690]

@@ivanska3099 Original Beckman has no speed hooks, so yes physically looks like a Blacksmith.

[@ivanska3099]

@@armandocamara690 blacksmith has speedhooks….

[@franzb69]

don't they have e width sizing? how about 12e?

[@BWM135]

No wide widths yet from what I've heard.

[@MisterKnightly]

No wide widths, which is astonishing.

[@leecorleone]

question. do you put oil/renevotaur etc on that bottom in between leather part?

[@YouShoe-1985]

I personally wouldn’t but you could

[@ericwcanady1]

I make those every day.

[@robertng138]

The in sole are too thin , like walking on cardboard what should i do to make them more comfy.

[@YouShoe-1985]

Ive never had that problem with red wing but is you go to Dales Leatherworks you can get a veg tan insole to beef it up a little

[@teddybear9029]

I had the black cherry about 10 years ago and I can honestly say they butchered my feet, the most uncomfortable footwear I’ve ever had, they should give every prisoner in Guantanamo bay a pair each!

[@whereRbearsTeeth]

After experiencing superior brands like Parkhurst and Grant Stone, I just can’t go back to Redwings. While I appreciate the fact that they are made in America, the quality/price ratio just isn’t the same.

[@ivanska3099]

What makes them better quality?

[@whereRbearsTeeth]

@@ivanska3099 higher end leathers, better stitching/stitching density, full grain leather heel counters, superior QC, better designed lasts…the list goes on. Redwing builds a decent boot at the $300 price range. At $400, there’s way better options.

[@gnarl12]

​@@whereRbearsTeethhave you had a pair of these on feet?

[@johnmutton799]

This is the flàt toe version!

[@derekmaloney8435]

Go EE

[@gillian32]

For $400, I'd rather get Grant Stone boots and skip the two-month break-in. 🤷

[@edhcb9359]

I’ll take Thursday Boots for half as much.

[@filthyvibes4768]

Red Wings looks so bland, a pair of Jim Greens or even Thursday has more personality. The bulbous toe and nonexistent midsole makes the boot look like a bodybuilder who skips leg day

[@YouShoe-1985]

😂

[@JoshuaSlosser]

For $400, might as well look elsewhere. Does not even have a stacked leather sole.

[@gnarl12]

*heel. Is that really necessary?

[@JRRob3wn]

@@gnarl12The lack of a leather heelstack on what is supposed to be a dressier boot looks strange.

[@gnarl12]

@@JRRob3wn not extremely strange and an all rubber heel feels better

[@JRRob3wn]

@@gnarl12 I said strange (which it is) not extremely strange. I find my boots with leather heel stacks just as comfortable if not more comfortable as my boots with all rubber soles.